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  • Posted By: Ngchen @ 02/07/2009 11:21:44 PM

    I don't know enough of the school to fairly critique it much, but I will say this. First, a church that embeds itself too deeply with secular political power is UNHEALTHY. Recall how Jesus himself said that his kingdom was not of this world. Second, if the report is to be totally believed, then the students there are basically becoming the Republican party's next generation of leadership. Historically, whenever "the" church got too cozy with any political faction, the church ended up with egg in its face. People should heed that. Finally, as several posters have illustrated, such as association with the GOP (along with the implied false claim that GOP=God's Own Party) is leading people to atheism. Bad theology leads not to good theology, but atheism. Christians should remember that.

    Oh, and BTW, for a evangelical LEFT wing (actually not as uncommon as one would think, based on media reports)view at things, I heartily recommend the Sojourners website at http://www.sojo.net/

    • Posted By: JordanTaylor @ 06/05/2009 3:09:34 PM

      Ngchen, I went to the website http://www.sojo.net. It is an interesting website. Thanks for posting it.

    • Posted By: JordanTaylor @ 06/05/2009 2:32:37 PM

      Ngchen, this is exactly what I have problem with regarding mixing politics, church, and religion. I think it can be dangerous. It involves mixing secular with spiritual.

  • Posted By: pattherealist @ 03/01/2009 8:05:35 PM

    These evangelists are more dsangerous than the Hitler-era Nazi youth. This country needs to wake up to this threat from withi now...Our democracy is under threat from home-grown religious extremists.

    • Posted By: Fisher of Men @ 03/01/2009 10:26:32 PM

      To Pattherealist...You must be relatively young. And you're probably a Democrat as well as either an
      agnostic or atheist. Our nation/world is in great jeopardy at this time. I doubt you know that the Federal
      Reserve is a group of foreign bankers and old line European and American families that have managed
      to not only rob us blind, but also manipulate our economy and are close to owning everything this nation's
      citizens have ever owned. Those in control are getting rid of the middle class and this nation will soon be
      one comprised of tyrants and slaves. If I were you, I'd praise God that a group of Christian youth is dedicating
      itself to guiding our nation back to the principles upon which it was founded. It sounds to me like you should
      move to Cuba or Venezuela or China so you can experience what tyranny and socialism or communism is
      like. You're probably one of the millions who're responsible for our current political situation and I feel sorry
      for you once the truth is revealed to you. And those young people you detest know one thing for sure..."The truth
      shall set you free."

      • Posted By: JordanTaylor @ 06/05/2009 3:01:03 PM

        Fisher of Men, you said: "If I were you, I'd praise God that a group of Christian youth is dedicating
        itself to guiding our nation back to the principles upon which it was founded."

        I always cringe when I hear someone make admiring comments regarding the principles upon which America was founded. I always have to wonder what principles the speaker is admiring. Are they admiring that in actually our great Country was built on greed and not Godly principles. If America had been built on Godly principles, we would not have stolen this land from the Native Americans and massacred many of them as well. We would also not have had slavery and all it's deplorable realties in this country. The truth is the god of America has always been Money not the real God. Many of us as Christians really need to face reality and realize and acknowledge the fact this country was founded on greed and not the principles of God.

    • Posted By: okiemomof2 @ 03/01/2009 10:28:10 PM

      And you think that's it's okay to be an extremist in the opposite direction. Wake up PAT! The government is in chaos because GOD has been removed, you may want to read the original documents of our founding fathers and then make the decisions on where you stand....ignorance is just as hideous as the extremist who are ruining the lives of their children and this government.

      • Posted By: sagef0ur @ 03/02/2009 3:09:42 AM

        Many of our Founding Fathers were presumed to have been Deists, and with that it would make it hard to assert that the references to God in said documents implied a need for religion in government. The sparse mentionings of God in the declaration of independence, for instance, very clearly reflect deist views of God as a diety who does not intervene in human affairs. The constitution also reflects a push for the separation of church and state as can be seen in the first amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting n establishment of religion..."

    • Posted By: okiemomof2 @ 03/01/2009 10:26:29 PM

      And you think that's it's okay to be an extremist in the opposite direction. Wake up PAT! The government is in chaos because GOD has been removed, you may want to read the original documents of our founding fathers and then make the decisions on where you stand....ignorance is just as hideous as the extremist who are ruining the lives of their children and this government.

    • Posted By: okiemomof2 @ 03/01/2009 10:25:34 PM

      And you think that's it's okay to be an extremist in the opposite direction. Wake up PAT! The government is in chaos because GOD has been removed, you may want to read the original documents of our founding fathers and then make the decisions on where you stand....ignorance is just as hideous as the extremist who are ruining the lives of their children and this government.

  • Posted By: toomanypapers @ 02/07/2009 1:17:57 PM

    We need God in our government as much as possible. You can't judge God based on the imperfect people who are Christians. No one on this earth is perfect. Only God.

    But this University looks like it goes to the extreme. I don't think those kids needs to focus on what they look like. In other words, if you don't look like me (blonde hair, bue eyes), then you are not accepted. It's not the outward appearance, but the heart.

    This place has fences around it. It just doesn't look 'normal' to me.

    We need God's Help. And we need a President who acknowledges God. And we have that in President Barack Obama. I think the indecent dress of the women might be what started this movement. Men? They just wear shirts and pants. But it's the women who are so indecent in their attire. So the University Board decided to make everyone wear suits which means the women will have to meet a dress code.

    I just don't think the kids should be focused on what they WEAR.

    Something is wrong at this University. The only good thing is, hopefully this University won't have freaks attending: gays, lesbians, muslims, people from the Mid-East: we don't need sleeper cells - - Those are people who assimilate into American society (they work, pay taxes, go to school, etc) while they are WAITING for an opportunity to attack America from the inside.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA ! America needs His Blessings and His Protection. And God bless the Jews. AND GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

    PS: I am not Jewish.

    • Posted By: JordanTaylor @ 06/05/2009 2:27:22 PM

      You have conflicting comments that are totally opposite of what Christianity is all about. You cannot love and hate and still be a true Christian. If you hate, then you are definitely not following the teachings of Christ.

    • Posted By: Xretail @ 02/07/2009 4:22:30 PM

      you know the last time I looked, the word CHRISTIAN is not the same as Bigot. You cannot be both. To do so, as you have shown in your post, is to be a hypocrite.

      • Posted By: leecee @ 02/07/2009 11:38:38 PM

        I could not have said it better!!!

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 02/07/2009 1:41:19 PM

      "The only good thing is, hopefully this University won't have freaks attending: gays, lesbians, muslims"

      It was a fine post until you shat all over it.

      I personally don't care what else you are - you're a bigot. Obama deserves better supporters than you.

  • Posted By: monergist @ 06/05/2009 2:24:48 PM

    What most people don't understand is that the motive for doing this is primarily based on an escatological (or end times) position of theology. These folks are what you would call Post-Millenial (wikipedia describes this well). They are of the belief that Christians are to work towards "Christianizing" the planet and ultimately bring it under a theocracy similar to the one Israel lived under within the Old Testament. Do this and it will be the birth pang to the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a minority view that gets the majority of the attention because it effects the non-believing world the most. They are trying to bring the unbelievers under the law of God.

  • Posted By: hihnam @ 03/01/2009 5:50:08 PM

    We have twin girls going into ttheir first year of high school this fall. You better believe we are going to look into this college. We would be relieved to send them to a college wgere they are not indoctrinated into the liberal point of view on every subject. Today's university staff is a left leaning close minded group of people that show intolerance and sometimes hatred for anyone who believes in anything other than liberalism. And no we don't go to church at all. We just happen to be traditional Americans. You should look past your intolerance and find out what you are missing by watching Fox News instead of American Idol once in a while.

    • Posted By: JordanTaylor @ 06/05/2009 2:16:01 PM

      Uh, Fox news is not the best news source. LOLOL. Truthfully, you have to do your own research when it comes to viewing all news stations anyway. Most news stations are not unbiased.

  • Posted By: BlReyes @ 03/01/2009 5:54:01 PM

    I think it's great. This is what America is about...accepting every group, including consevative youths. If this was a liberal college who believed in abortion, sex before marriage, atheism, etc. everyone would embrace it because it's "open minded." How about being open minded to embracing this? They aren't doing anything wrong, and yet we feel it's "scary"....wow, talk about being closed minded.

    • Posted By: ultracon @ 03/02/2009 12:35:17 AM

      I agree 100% BIReyes. I'm thrilled to see a school of higher learning that hasn't been overrun with the liberal views of society. If you don't like it, don't send your kids there. For thew same reason I'm not sending mine to a liberal state college. And most people would probably be surprised to know that almost every Ivy League University began as a very conservative baptist universities. Including yale, harvard, brown, etc..

      • Posted By: cinesimon @ 03/11/2009 3:31:12 PM

      • Posted By: cinesimon @ 03/11/2009 3:29:52 PM

        "And most people would probably be surprised to know that almost every Ivy League University began as a very conservative baptist universities. Including yale, harvard, brown, etc.."

        AND THEN THEY EVOLVED

  • Posted By: smug people suck @ 03/02/2009 3:21:30 AM

    To ultracon:

    If by "liberal" you mean dealing in fact-based education, then you are clearly a product of the conservative education system. You're so brainwashed to think everything that you believe is true you don't even bother to do some basic research. As a alumna of Harvard (or even a person with 5 minutes to do some internet research), I can tell you that Harvard WAS NOT established under any denomination.

    Get it right or shut up.

  • Posted By: dutras @ 03/02/2009 12:00:25 AM

    I really don't think that this is what the US needs now or ever. A bunch of closet cases, who like the thugs that they probably aim to protect us from, are single minded and unable to cope with the realities of social responsibility or life in a world where the USA interacts with people that do not htink the same way they do.

  • Posted By: ang2 @ 03/01/2009 8:59:03 PM

    I agree Pat Realist, people who refuse to look at any view than their own are teaching everyone around them a new form of extremism. The moment that we can't even LOOK at someone elses' ideas, we are in great danger.

  • Posted By: ang2 @ 03/01/2009 8:56:27 PM

    Did you say "Right"? I think you mean "White"!!

  • Posted By: freewomenaroundtheworld @ 03/01/2009 7:55:43 PM

    to the appalled muslim woman, it amazes me how you can sit there and complain about "white america" and christians and jews. Homosexuals have the same civil rights and are treated just fine in the united states. Muslims have it made here in America. Unfortuneatly, in countries that espouse your "beautiful" religion, homosexuals and christians and jews alike are persecuted, tortured, and killed. i amazes me how vocal and appalled you are here in america, but when it comes to speaking out about how your religion is the most oppressive vicious religion in the world at this time in history you are mute and silent. Why don't you speak out against this? Are you "appalled" at the treatment of homosexuals in "beautiful" Muslim countries? Homosexuals are having a cakewalk in America compared to the treatment they get in Muslim countries. Have you written to the governments of these countries and gone to those countries that practice your beautiful religion decrying the treatment of homosexuals, christians and jews? No you probably haven't because guess what? the same religion you claim to be so beautiful will strip you and murder you in the street. Let me let you in on another truely "appalling" fact: Who are the NUMBER ONE killers of Muslims in the World? The answer: OTHER MUSLIMS!!! yes, when you complain about Israel being oppressive and "white america," the true enemy is within: Your own beautiful fellow muslims are the biggest killers of their fellow beautiful muslims.
    You can say whatever you want...in "white" america and no one is going to kill you. If you truely cared about homosexuals you would start being just as vocal and let your voice be heard decrying the treatment of homosexuals in countries that espouse your religion. why waste your time writing how you are so appalled here, when you know that homosexuals are not tortured and killed here the way they are in Muslim Countries. Stop being a hypocrite and be vocal where it really matters. It's so sad. Women are being oppressed and killed in Muslim countries and that is a FACT. And yet you have the gall to pretend like it's not true. Make a difference and speak out about that. start writing to Imans in your local community asking how you can change the status of women and homosexuals in Muslim countries. Start decrying the treatment of christians and jews in muslim countries. Or do you care about them? they are being persecuted everyday and you are doing nothing about it. This is a FACT.

  • Posted By: freewomenaroundtheworld @ 03/01/2009 7:39:55 PM

    to the appalled muslim woman, it would be interesting for you to go to a true muslim country and say the same things you say here, especially about homosexuals. in america homosexuals have more rights and privileges in than in any other country that aspouses your "beautiful religion." don't sit there and act so appalled and turn around and ignore how horribly your "beautiful" religion treats them in those countries. why don't you take your thoughts to Iran, Indonesia, and other countries where your "beautiful" religion is practiced to the fullest and tell those governments and mosques how appalled you are about how they kill and torture men for being homosexual. the thing that really gets me is how you are so quick to condemn christians and "white" america and how vocal you can be and "appalled" when you hear people point out the major flaws in your religion, and yet you are so mute when muslim countries treat woman like yourself and homosexuals by tortoring and killing them and keeping women oppressed and covered from head to toe. Let me let you in on a fact that Muslims like you NEVER bring up: WHO ARE THE NUMBER ONE KILLERS OF MUSLIMS?? the answer is:OTHER MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so before you go out and whine about hate crimes and white and christian america, you shoud turn to your own community and start being just as vocal about how Muslims are killing eachother like crazy and what you can do about it.

  • Posted By: toomanypapers @ 02/07/2009 1:04:56 PM

    Why is there a fence about the buildings? The women are modestly dressed. That's terrific. They don't look like hookers.

    However, I agree with wearing jeans and sweats to college. The focus in college is on books, not looks. Grades, not braides . Book reports, the library, paying lab fees, working part time, studying, studying, and passing exams: not HOW YOU DRESS.

    As far as lesbians, gays, atheist and muslims: we can do WITHOUT them. We don't need them. It would improve American society if this group fell off the face of the earth. American is not responsible for catering to other cultures. We are not obligated to embrace every sub-culture that wants to settle here.

    America must support the Israel. I agree with President Barack Obama in his support of Israel.

    I like Christian colleges, but these kids don't look normal. It can be a financial hardship to be required to wear suits to class. Why not jeans and a tee shirt. You can be more comfortable in less casual attire.

    This college has gone to the extreme. Obviously they don't want Black or American Indians at the University. I guess they forgot the Scripture that says " Of a Truth, I perceive that God is no respecter of persons". But He does not agree with gays, lesbians or other types of freakish, demented behavior.

    I think this is extreme and I wonder what they're teaching those kids. Does this place generate cults? Racism?????

    • Posted By: Dee55 @ 03/01/2009 7:21:21 PM

      If anyone says anything about Jews they are anti-Semitic, yet you are bashing and wishing that two entire groups that are larger in number than Jews; Muslims and homosexuals 'fall off the face of the Earth'. Get in touch with your humanity, dear, and with Jesus. A reality check wouldn't go amiss either.

    • Posted By: Dee55 @ 03/01/2009 7:21:06 PM

      If anyone says anything about Jews they are anti-Semitic, yet you are bashing and wishing that two entire groups that are larger in number than Jews; Muslims and homosexuals 'fall off the face of the Earth'. Get in touch with your humanity, dear, and with Jesus. A reality check wouldn't go amiss either.

  • Posted By: toomanypapers @ 02/07/2009 1:54:41 PM

    Not hate, but RECOGNITION of what gays and lesbians want: they want to convert and they won't be satisfied until society is perverted just like them. They will seek out new venues to recruit. They are the lowest life form.

    As for muslims, mohammed is dead. He can't help anyone. That is a true 'religion'. They are extremist who value nothing but their religous, fake god who has already died. They are also recruiters.

    The mid-East is not a place for living a full, quality life. It is a place where women are treated worse than animals. Where the punishment for crime is the extreme.

    Oh we have our problems in America. The WORLD has problems because we are not perfect.

    And this university is an example of one of the problems we have in America.

    The kids are made to focus on the outward appearance. God's Word says MANKIND focuses on the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.

    I am personally against peverts and extremists. They are dangerous groups who push their agenda above everything. The are extreme zealots.

    No, the Mid-East is not a place I would select to go on vacation. Now Latin America? I'd like to see Costa Rica and Eucador. I'll bet their beautiful. The Country of Chili and sail around the Magellan Strait. Even Mr. Chavez is more inclined to be friendlier to America since that dreaded Bush guy is gone !

    NOT HATE !!!! RECOGNITION. You have to look at the records - look at history!

    • Posted By: Dee55 @ 03/01/2009 7:14:03 PM

      I am a Muslim woman who is appalled by both your posts that I have read so far. It's a hate crime to say anything about what is 'orthodox' in white America, but it is Christian and patriotic to bash on homosexuals and Muslims?
      Let it not be your business what other people decide to do with their lives, it is theirs, not yours, and I do not know one homosexual or bisexual person of ill-manners or evil in their heart. If anything, they are more accepting of others than yourself.
      Second, in defense of my beautiful religion that you so easily tarnish with a few uneducated words, our religion is not 'dead' as you so wisely put it. Mohammad was nothing but a prophet sent by God, along with Jesus, Moses and Abraham. He is human, and that is why he is dead. It is God who is alive, and His word is what we follow. Mohammad was just his prophet on Earth, as we do not believe God can take the form of a human. On a side note, the only other person besides God who has not ever and will never die is Jesus. Oh yes, we believe in Jesus, and we believe he was also just a man, one of God's prophets, but he wasn't crucified. He was raised alive to Heaven and will stay there until the End of Times. Only then will he come down as our Messiah to fight the Anti-Christ and bring forth the Day of Judgment. Surprised? I bet you thought we were all God-hating, false-deity worshiping animals.
      It would be great if you were to actually read PROPER books written by actual Muslims to understand it better. I'm not just saying because I am Muslim. You should put the effort into educating yourself about everything that you are ignorant about. There's no shame in it, that is how people became knowledgeable. And also, stop tying Islam with what Arab countries or any other country for that matter practices, because its clearly not Islam. It is their perverted version.
      Be kind in your thoughts and words about people who wish you no harm. Best of luck to you.

    • Posted By: bornagainchristian @ 02/07/2009 7:32:00 PM

      Boy are you a judger. You betcha Jesus is disappointed in you and your cronies.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 02/07/2009 3:19:39 PM

      I'm a bisexual man who takes particular offense to being called "the lowest life form".

      Quite honestly and frankly, I have no interest in "coverting" anyone to homosexuality, bisexuality, or a preference for vanilla fudge Sundays - but I *do* have an interest in not seeing you rile people up to attempt to murder me, deny me human rights, or any of the various other things that homophobic people do to us.

      I would like an account of why I am "the lowest life form" from you, and I would like it right now.

  • Posted By: ColdSweat @ 03/01/2009 6:49:34 PM

    I have a very conservative distant past but have migrated to a fairly liberal stance in recent years. I think it is good that there is a University alternative for conservative minded students, a place where intellectual pursuits, quality education, and moral framework can converge. Of course there is always the danger of exclusivity, but that cuts both ways. Extremism on any side is ugly.

  • Posted By: Tommypie @ 02/07/2009 1:24:43 PM

    Thank God that there are still some sane people in this country who put God first in their lives. God bless them. They will need all the blessings they can get in this God-hating society, which basically is determined to remove Christianity and silence anyone who is not politically correct a la Obama. As Jesus said Himself in the Gospels: "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevali against it". So be it!

    • Posted By: Fraydenz @ 03/01/2009 6:46:03 PM

      As Jesus also said: If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

      Also: Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

      Also: Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

      If you follow all of that, we will be stoning our wives and our children. The bible is anything but a "good book". Have you people that appove of this even read it?

  • Posted By: GaLiberal @ 03/01/2009 5:25:51 PM

    Thiis is very scarry stuff. Notice what wasn't at the school? Any blacks or Hispanics. Or at least no in the photos. This is a thowback to the Jim Crow era of the 40' and 50's. If these people have their way, you can expect a reveral in civiil rights laws.

    • Posted By: BlReyes @ 03/01/2009 6:04:03 PM

      I just looked at their website, and it isn't just white people. =)

  • Posted By: weneedabetterhobby @ 03/01/2009 5:25:37 PM

    HOLY crap. This is a bit scary. A religious conservative school with a focus at putting its members in seats of political power. I love how conservative will shout to the world "tolerance" when the focus is on them and their anti tolerant ways. Id say borderline fascism factory at the worst and at best a group looking out for the Christian Joe right in the political and scholastic arena. Which to me are the same. but hey w/e this is America

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