Obama’s Real ‘Vietnam’

it seems like the hatred for pakistan here reminds me of a failed aryan state that pteached the same hatred for another community
it seems that a bankrupt state itself cannot be talikng of destabilizing another state which has over a hundred nukes and can hit israel if it so desires .
thw widespred allegations known to 160 million pakis are that ameica has illicitly pumped in trillions as bribes to destabilze pak -most of pakis are honest and god fearing
they are neither corrupt nor weak
in fact the cospiracy that created bangladesh failed itself by giving bith to an even more radical muslim state the pakistan -
pakistan has faced worst challenges and come out alive
i think the dream of the western fascists to conver it into a massive graveyard as below is a self realised nightmare true about their own bankrupt corrupt debt written state
and war crimes -the burnt millions in 2 wars in 2 states by a corrupt totaltarian regime mahes hitler look like an innocent amateur .

It seems that the US fails to understand that the government in Pakistan as well as that in Iraq understood all these dangers as pointed out by Ricks very well. Their way to avoid them is to make peace with extremist groups, especially where there is no clear outcome ever possible. There is no really easy or clear outcome possible in either Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan. Such peace agreements serve the same purpose as Musharrafs dance on a two-sided blade, fighting the Taliban but also working together with it. It makes friend and adversaries "the same". That is the mid-eastern way in almost all aspects of life. You disagree on some and you agree on some. By looking and acting both ways, the status quo is retained. It makes it posssible for the government to govern and for the various groups to live within that state, knowing their boundaries. The US is afraid of this approach and acted against Musharraf's peace agreements and the interrelations of ISI with Taliban and other groups. It ousted Musharraf. But the current government doesn't have his insight and experience to deal with all the factions in the many undercurrent ways. Karzai said it many times, that the conflict cannot be won militarily, but that the Taliban must be reintegrated into society and government. They are all Afghans. The prolonged US hostility against the Taliban pushes the population against the US. The Afghan people rightfully care about their own life, not about US interests. They see, rightfully, the US interference as unjustified and destructive to their life sand ways of life.

Looking at Iraq now, it is only when the US started to integrate the Sunnis again, that the situation improved a bit. The same would of course happen if the US integrated the Taliban into daily life and government in Afghanistan. The same will eventually happen in Pakistan. That is the best basis for stability because the various factions then keep each other in balance. You cannot force Asian people into US norms. Though they may like western amenities, they will think along their ways.

mesmer moron -read the british account -and also watch the last days of raj a british documentary by bbc made last year which shows that sikhs and hindus planned muslim massacre months in advance by arming gangs -
master tarachand and nehru started the massacre on 14 august in gurdaspur - a 90%muslim district given because mountbatten was bribed to ask the arbiters to give it to india -of the 1.5 million muslims not even 200000 survived according to electoral lists
in the sikh states like patiala and others with sikh rulers -the army systematicallt decimated muslim villages with cannon

they abducted 55000 muslim women who were paraded naked in bazaars and markets -
18n trainloads of massacred muslim immigrants were sent after killing every soul on board to lahore train station -
it was a conspiracy to overwhelm rthe state to collapse
15 million fled to pakistan -
the muslim retaliation was late and not systematic or organised but rather sporadic
#so take your lessons from the british library and museum and stop your ignorant charade about your non existent historical knowledge
of course gurdaspur was a sacrificial lamb to clear the way by road to kashmir which was forcibly annexed too -
it was a british anomaly and injustice which they finally owe now but do not discuss as mountbatten was a chum of nehru and his wife was his mistress
now i hope miss edwina and nehru are together in everafter -while mountbatten was blown sky high by irish bombers on his royal tyacht
as you sow so shall you reap
and that applies to the mesmerized zombies too

STOP everyone! can't people just live in peace?
Leave Islam and the Muslims ALONE!
That is all the people of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and any other country should be crying out for!!!!
God created this world, and the people in it to worhip him ALONE, not to opress one another. The word 'destabalization' should be absent from the vocabulary of our leaders, as well as our religios scholors. If America wants to set an example for the rest of the world, she has to act rightly in the interest of ALL citezens and the world at large. I vote for peace, and NOT destabalization of any country, including America.

Be Warned!

Obama cannot afford to be like Chamberlain, making peace with psychopathic barbarians.

Such behavior will lead to another Armageddon.

Decisive action to take over Pakistan is the only way forward, even if it means trampling on the toes of the absolutely incompetent Pakistani Army/ISI.

Total annihilation of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, LET, JUD, and all others of their ilk, is the only swift way to bring peace to the rest of the world

We have no business fighting wars in the middle east. The tragic events of 9/11 spawned a horrible overreaction; it was a crime, a terrible, detestable, vile crime, but it was still a crime. It was not an act of war by any country. The war in Afganistan may be weakly justifiable, but the war in Iraq was illegal. We as a country let a collective panic settle in where we were willing to support the wrong thing just to make ourselves feel better. Myself, I do not feel that we are any safer because we just stoned a beehive. I agree with the interviewed author that we need to focus all our efforts on keeping Pakistan a peaceful and lawful ally. I'd rather have a million angry radicals with conventional weapons than even one with an nuke.

I don't see why anyone at Islamweek would think that Pres. Obama is going to have anything like a Vietnam. The only thing Democrats do is shoot off a missile or two, just enough to cause world wide outrage without accomplishing anything productive. So I am certain that Pakistan has nothing to fear from us. And I am equally certain that Pakistan and their Talban brothers agree with me 100%.

Why cannot the United States play a proactive role in the positive stabilization of Pakistan? The United States has many esteemed scholars, who may be ambassadors. Like some United States government departments, is Pakistan not in the list of priorities for the United States? Why cannot the United States have a better understanding of the functioning of Pakistan? I mean, also the positive functioning. Why cannot the United States spend some more resources in it's relationship with Pakistan, and to improve the lot of the people of Pakistan? In this regard, India can do just so much, and not much more. How much is "so much"? I do not know.

Bottom line, the terrorisits no matter where they are don't have the big bomb, how do I know, its because they would use it the second they had it if fear that the good guys would find out and take it from them. Let them destroy each other all they want thats good but don't let them get the big one or its by-by for a lot of people.