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Where the Neon Lights Are Bright—And Drivers Are No Longer Welcome

Under Mayor Bloomberg, New York City is embracing a controversial theory: closing down streets can reduce traffic jams.

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  • Posted By: kshortSD @ 03/02/2009 7:20:45 PM

    Cities such as NYC have great public transportation systems, so why not close some streets and make people use the subway, a bike, or their feet? Considering how expensive parking can be, why would you drive, anyway? I live in Southern California and reducing traffic is a much trickier notion out here. I would be happy ride a subway if we had one...

  • Posted By: NotSoBigMac @ 03/02/2009 2:48:25 AM

    With a bit more inconvenience, people will consider the alternatives: Getting on a bus, a cab, a subway. Commuters will carpool so they can split the "extra" cost.

    But, on reflection, it is quite obvious that closing down a street will decrease congestion - well, at least on the closed street ;P

  • Posted By: MadHax @ 02/28/2009 9:47:31 AM

    I can't believe that congestion pricing did not succeed. It was a simple idea that would've gone a long way in reducing traffic. There is a variation on congestion pricing that is anti-elitist. It is pricing based on the number of trips per year, etc. In this way, the more times you travel to the city per year, the higher your rate would be. People who travel infrequently would get way paying very little, and those who feel the need to travel everyday would have to pay a heck lot. It is quite similar to tax bracketing based on income. Yet those morons at traffic control couldn't think of it.

    • Posted By: Jim1348 @ 03/01/2009 1:40:20 PM

      Any free market pricing scheme will work to reduce congestion to optimal levels. It is only because cities (or any government) likes to provide "free" goodies to the voters that you get over-consumption.

      It is the corollary that we pay huge taxes to support military operation in the Middle East in order to protect the oil supply (i.e., prop up Saudi Arabia) in order to pay lower prices at the pump. The last operation cost us $3T and counting, not to mention another Depression. That is what happens when the government subsidizes something.

  • Posted By: Tabi @ 02/28/2009 11:23:14 PM

    For what seems like an article supporting Bloomberg's proposal, I think that you may have done the worst possible job of supporting your position. The way it is explained, when you close down roads people choose to go another way or not to go at all. All because they see more inconvenience in the driving method. The way it is explained, it seems that the plan is to increase inconvenience in order to decrease traffic. I would much prefer to see a comparison of how much longer or shorter it takes a traveler to take with the road closed as when the road is open.

  • Posted By: junkmail6 @ 02/28/2009 3:04:07 PM

    For once, a sensible, limited approach to a serious problem, based on good empirical evidence. Closing off parts of a street that throws off the traffic patterns of all the other streets makes good sense. The rest of us can watch and see what happens. Ideally, *all* problems should be addressed in this manner.

  • Posted By: TheDiz @ 02/28/2009 2:41:50 PM

    For all you anecdotally overamped and informationally dereft naysayers - the Surface Transportation Policy Project (STPP) and the Texas Transportation Institute have been doing research for many years on the dynamics of traffic flow and congestion. Counterintuitive as it is, there is very strong, well-documented data out there to support Mayor Bloomberg's plan. The evidence doesn't come just from the observed consequences of unplanned road closings due to things like earthquakes, but from the carefully observed results of targeted closings in major cities. I know it's more work to actually educate yourselves than to resort to the same old "elitist Democrat" name-calling and debunked "intuitive" solutions, but isn't it "hard work" that is so valued in our society?

  • Posted By: AnthonyL88 @ 02/28/2009 12:44:11 PM

    Driving into the city are a key to business. Now they want to charge drivers $2 each way going over the East river bridges, which is crazy. Nobody will go to the city anymore and everyone will just go somewhere else. Mayor Bloomberg think he can do as he please, but the Mayor doesn't understand anything about the average citizen. I mean, how could he understand since he is loaded with Billions in his bank accounts.

    • Posted By: Miamifella @ 02/28/2009 2:34:34 PM

      Charging drivers for entry to Manhattan seems to be extremely sensible. In general the people who drive into Manhattan are wealthier than those who travel by subway, train, or bus so I doubt that an extra $2 to $4 added to their daily budget would mean much. And it if reduces congestion and pays for city services, so much the better.

  • Posted By: jlowell1 @ 02/28/2009 1:22:21 AM

    If only Manhattan residents were allowed to drive in Manhattan, that would go a long way toward relieving congestion. Everyone else should have to leave their car on the other side of the bridge or tunnel.

    • Posted By: dmb12345 @ 02/28/2009 12:48:39 PM

      Typical elitist mindset - no wonder you are Dems. Next thing you will say is tax the visitors who keep your place vibrant. Next time think about where your food is grown - not in Manhattan

    • Posted By: MadHax @ 02/28/2009 9:38:36 AM

      That would be quite unfair. Manhattan wasn't a nation the last time I checked.

  • Posted By: noassemblyreqrd @ 02/28/2009 12:44:40 PM

    I would like to suggest a very different approach. Instead of closing lanes, I suggest that lanes be doubled by reducing the size of each lane by one-half, and then allowing traffic that is no wider than 4' on those streets. There are existing prototypes of automobiles that seat two that are 3'2" wide, in addition to motorcycles and scooters. An added advantage would be that automobiles could fit through a traditional doorway, and radically increase parking options.

  • Posted By: democat @ 02/28/2009 12:13:52 PM

    Closing off streets reduces "congestion", eh? Why SURE it does! So why not close them ALL down? ZERO CONGESTION! Great plan! Everybody will just have to stay put right where they are, but who cares? Getting rid of all that nasty congestion is WORTH IT!

  • Posted By: dm10003 @ 02/28/2009 12:09:41 PM

    the plan is foresighted, reversible if necessary, and drivers will make a work-around. rockefeller center is an example of what people do in appealing pedestrian streets. they are also thinking of prince street as a pedestrian street -- retailers are howling now, but like in athens, they will soon become vehmently anti-traffic.

  • Posted By: SenatorMI @ 02/28/2009 12:04:23 PM

    Mayor Bloomberg is a new type of American politician that needs to be emulated in the years to come if New York and the United States is to succeed. He has helped to usher in a new "Era of Pragmatism." One in which the 21st Centruy will be defined by our governments ability to create and implement practical solutions to our common problems. If we succeed the United States best days will be ahead but if we fail the United States power, prestige, and competetiveness will be be behind us. Either way what we do right now will define us. And so far I believe Mayor Bloomberg is doing his part.

  • Posted By: wstephenjackson @ 02/28/2009 9:52:11 AM

    So many theories sound so good, and the statistics always line up, because the experiement is a model. A model simplifies things to make prediction easy. When you actually change the environment in which people live, they will, however, think faster than any planner can act. People will almost instantly adjust their behavior, not to meet the objectives of the planner, but to meet their own. I believe this is currently called game theory, though any observant person has always known it. My comment to the Mayor is 'good luck, you will need it.'

  • Posted By: rab015 @ 02/28/2009 3:45:49 AM

    Why don't they just put a roof over Broadway and call it a mall?

    • Posted By: MadHax @ 02/28/2009 9:42:37 AM

      A nice glass roof, maybe?

  • Posted By: reotime @ 02/28/2009 9:41:53 AM

    Automobiles gone in New York City - - that is the most idiotic brillant decision imaginable. It is time for the change to begin eliminating cars from our world and go to feet, bikes, mass transportation and optimize in terms of green and efficient how people move about on this planet earth. Way to go Bloonberg. Bring it on.

  • Posted By: RRR in Mpls @ 02/28/2009 8:42:01 AM

    Is anyone looking at the economic impact on businesses in those area? Those businesses pay taxes and employ people. Add the economic whammy in store for us and our kids when the Obamanomic Porkulus plan hits and you can say bye bye to a lot of these businesses as well.

    • Posted By: MadHax @ 02/28/2009 9:41:17 AM

      What the hell does closing traffic have to do with businesses? It's not like people in cars do business with the stores as they're passing by. Stay to the point.

  • Posted By: DrAnne65 @ 02/27/2009 9:02:25 PM

    When TRAX--a highspeed ground-level rapid transit trolley system--was first proposed, everybody thought it would cost the city more than it was worth and nobody would use it. The opposite has been true--every day it seems that the TRAX trains get longer. Trolley tracks that were pulled up seventy--odd years ago are being replaced, and ridership increases proportionally. TRAX doesn't come into my neighborhood, which means we'd have to take a bus downtown to get to TRAX, and my husband gets sick on buses. So we're stuck, and I'm in the middle of complex medical work at the far end of the valley. We keep having to rent cards (expensive) or impose on our friends for rides. I wish they'd do away with that fifth traffic lane on several nearby streets and run a TRAX system in our neighborhood. I''d use it for sure. Creating some downtown one-way streets and closing two blocks of Main Street haven't been enough, but making rapid transit easier to use than personal vehicles will generally solve this sort of problem.

  • Posted By: San Ying @ 02/27/2009 7:17:33 PM

    While New York City is getting greener, the (independent) City of Westmount (Quebec)is getting greyer and more toxic. Westmount's Mayor Marks closed its section of Montreal's Extension Bikepath for the 2nd winter, using the space for a huge (revenue producing) car-park - citing the (recently installed) collapsible posts are obstructing snow removal and the cars parked in the bikepath would benefit local businesses. The safety of the increasing number of all-season cyclists (now forced to use the car lane or pedestrian sidewalk) and the considerable tonnage of toxic gasses from 100 additional cars for 6 months? Be damned.

  • Posted By: San Ying @ 02/27/2009 5:57:14 PM

    While New York is getting greener, Westmount (Quebec) is getting browner and more toxic. Westmount's Mayor Marks closed its section of Montreal's Extension Bikepath for the second winter, using its space for a huge revenue producing car park and citing that the (recently installed) collapsible posts are obstructing snow clearance and the car park would benefit local businesses.
    The safety of the increasing number of all-season cyclists and the considerable tonnage of toxic gasses of 100 cars for six months? Be damned.

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