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  • Posted By: lydiastorm @ 03/05/2009 3:35:01 PM

    Why does the author advocate taking funds away from the programs that help her son maximize his potential instead of advocating for more dollars for gifted education? She is comparing apples to oranges, anyway. If her daughter is as bright as her Mom perceives her to be, she is most likely much more clever than any aide who'd be available to customize educational approaches for her, anyway.

  • Posted By: wilmad @ 03/05/2009 3:30:23 PM

    I have a similar situationto Mrs. Linsley,having a gifted daughter and an autistic son. Except my son is both disabled(Asperger's Syndrome) and incredibly gifted. When the diagnoses came in, the school wanted to make sure that he would take the same standardized tests as the rest of the kids becasue he did so well. What to do?Giftedness is just as much an exceptionality as autism, but a gifted child can learn in any environment, whereas overcoming the difficulties of autism are hard won. I don't believe either child should be favored economicaly by the school system, but the truth is that giftedness is seen as less important a liability and giving money to gifted education is seen as elitist. And unfortunately,that reputation has some sway, as the richest whitest kids are the ones most often placed in gifted programs.But do we cut of the legs of our gifted kids evenas we stretch the ones who have difficulties on the Procrustean bed of No Child Left Behind?

  • Posted By: jjdelong12 @ 03/05/2009 3:12:52 PM

    My son is a profound dyslexic and has a memory problem. He has an above average IQ and excels in math. We have struggled for 4 years to get the school system to support his disability. My son is in fifth grade reading at a second grade level. For the last year I have paid for my son to receive individual learning therapy. The school system does not have funding to purchase programs that are recommended for dyslexic children. The school spent their budgeted money on programs to help struggling students but this has not benefited my son or others in his school that have dyslexia. I feel all students, with a disability, gifted and talented or just like everyone else, would benefit from more money from federal programs to support education. While you feel money should be taken from one program to benefit another, your situation is not what every family faces. If we have less money then more children who are struggling would suffer. My child deserves to not just meet minimum standards, not when he could also prevent the next worldwide flu pandemic, or invent a new form of nonpolluting transportation.

  • Posted By: Gifted Mom @ 03/05/2009 2:19:36 PM

    I'm bugging out - my blood pressure is getting too high. If we continue to ignore gifted and high-learners we will continue to drop on the international level. We'll let some other country take over as leaders - China, India, maybe part of Europe - they all seem to value intelligence more than we do. I have spoken to exchange students who think school here is a joke! My Italian exchange student even received the highest grade on the English midterm of her whole class. Education has gotten very dumbed-down - we need to make it more rigorous for all of our children and we need to being valuing intelligence or we are in BIG trouble. Maybe some big company from one of those countries will hire Americans at a low wage because we won't have a very educated populace. Somehow it is considered elitist to have a gifted child and people think parents of gifted children are rich and can just send them to private school - it's not that easy. There is ONE school in the country (in Nevada) that can handle children with an IQ of 145 or greater. No other school in the country is really equipped to handle those kids. How many can say that about special ed kids? It's obvious that so many don't "get" that the country's future rests on the next leaders - I'm sorry, but the next leaders won't be special ed kids, or probably even regular ed kids. The truth is that our next leaders will come from the high learners and gifted learners. It's not politically correct, but it's true. I think this article was a very heartfelt, wonderful article about a mother torn between the needs of her 2 children. I can't believe that people are so tied up in their own worlds they can't see another point of view!

    • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/05/2009 3:05:19 PM

      It is well thought that the gifted within big corps and Wall Street is why this country is where it is today. We relied on those "intelligent leaders" and look where it got us??? High IQ means nothing as to what that person contributes. You're putting high hopes waaaaay up there.
      No parent of any child is probably rich, but those who want the 'best' are not going to get it from a public school. The President also has more to worry about right off the bat, like all these people with no jobs and no where to live. So by the time any child grows up, they'll have a thriving economy to go to. It isn't going to matter what the IQ is, if there's nothing there for anyone.

  • Posted By: Spam@mulberryhall.us @ 03/04/2009 6:30:43 PM

    Do not forget to mention how there are parents who "strive" to have their children labeled as "special needs" so they can receive financial benefits from governmental programs.

    • Posted By: autiemom @ 03/05/2009 1:57:46 PM

      i don't collect big bucks from the government. nobody does. it's a myth put out by news reporters to make an exciting story. who did you meet that pretended their child had a disability? probably nobody. we would give our lives to spare our children this pain.

    • Posted By: naglec @ 03/04/2009 6:32:59 PM

      Or that maybe the special need is really a better parent in the home!

  • Posted By: jcr3921 @ 03/05/2009 1:45:25 PM

    I am a practicing school psychologist of 10 years, which means I am the person who assesses, determines eligibility for special education services (Autism, Specific Learning Disability, Mental Retardation), and helps with the identification of a Free and Appropriate Pubic Education (FAPE) for students.

    In my experience and upon reflection of the article and the comments listed, there appears to be a misunderstanding of a student's FAPE. Specifically, most people struggle with the following question: "What does 'appropriate' mean?" In public education "appropriate" often translates to the following: "Every student has the right to the opportunity for an 'A' grade in a course or mastery of a skill." "Appropriate" does not translate to: "Every student should receive an 'A' grade" or "Every student should receive an 'ideal' education."

    One purpose of special education is to provide disabled students with the opportunities to earn the "A" grade or demonstrate mastery of a skill. (Note. Sometimes on the way to mastery for a skill, such as single digit addition, the disabled student needs to first learn to orally count, identify numbers, or be prompted to use the bathroom independently because if the student cannot perform these skills instruction of single digit addition will be impacted.)

    Unfortunately for most disabled and gifted students, it comes down to the quality of instruction delivered in the classroom. It also comes down to the support provided at home and in the community. Remember, the purpose of public (not private) education is to provide "appropriate" education. The responsibility of the parents and the community is to make a student's "appropriate" education "ideal" using additional resources and supports.

  • Posted By: autiemom @ 03/05/2009 1:18:43 PM

    Dear son: It has come to my attention that you do not have as much potential as my genius daughter (who, by the way, does a much better job of feeding my ego). It pains me to say that your services will no longer be required. I will, however, permit you to eat table scraps in the backyard with Fido. Love, Mom

    • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/05/2009 1:39:42 PM

      Exactly, that's pretty much how America works, isn't it? Good thing no one gave up on Bill Gates or none of us would be here commenting.

  • Posted By: Periyellow @ 03/05/2009 1:27:35 PM

    The NAACP is right - A mind is a terrible thing to waste. It benefits society when every member meets his/her full potential, and gifted chldren have as much right to reach their full potential as any other group of children. Wake up America!
    Margaret

  • Posted By: mrs.scrappy @ 03/05/2009 1:27:29 PM

    I am the mother of a gifted 8 year old boy who has additional special needs; fine and gross motor delays and sensory processing disorder. After fighting our school district for 3 years, for any type of assistance, be it intellectual or Occupational Therapy or Physical Therapy, we have given up and taken matters into our own hands. We pulled our son out of school this year and began homeschooling him. Our son was in crisis and he desperately needed help. His frustration and boredom were so extreme that it was causing him severe psychological distress and anxiety.

    Now, we homeschool him and cover all of his OT and PT through our health insurance (after a long drawn out battle with the insurance company.) He is happier than he has ever been, making great strides in his fine motor and gross motor delays, and we are learning more about sensory processing disorder to make his environment more comfortable. He is excelling in all of his subjects and decompressing from the trauma, yes - trauma, of being tortured in a public school setting for being brilliant and quirky.

    Our nation does not value intellectual rigor and it will be to our detriment in the future. We were not going to stand by and let our son suffer anymore. This has been a serious hardship on our family, but it is a necessary hardship. As a gifted teen myself, I was so bored and frustrated in school that I turned to drugs for entertainment. I missed more than 40% of my senior year of high school and still got straight A's in all AP classes. What does it say about our educational system when someone who is completely wasted can ace the hardest subjects in a difficult school? I felt cheated and I was not going to let my son feel the same way. His aunt, my sister, was tested as profoundly gifted as a child. Our mom did not know what to do with her and neither did her expensive private school. She has spent her entire life suffering from depression and not fitting in. And yes, she has made more than one attempt at suicide. It is not fun, nor easy, to be intellectually advanced in a dumb-downed world. When we received our sons IQ score, I cried for 2 weeks, knowing the difficult road that lay ahead for him. However, I will not wring my hands with worry and leave his future to a bunch of education bureaucrats. His life is literally at stake. The United Negro College Fund got it perfectly when they said, "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

  • Posted By: Gifted Mom @ 03/05/2009 12:33:23 PM

    Just because I believe there should be funding for gifted education doesn't mean I don't believe there should be funding for special ed kids. One does not necessarily cancel out the other. I'm not sure where some of the posters seemed to get that impression. In PA, gifted education falls under special ed, but receives NO state funding. Not one dime. It amazes me how many similar issues there are between special ed and gifted ed. It would be more helpful if we could join forces instead of berate each other. I reiterate - EVERY child should be entitled to be educated to their fullest potential. Yes, I do what I can at home and we are in a good school district. However, what of those gifted kids in the poorer performing districts where there is one parent who works 2 jobs just to get some food on the table. They have NO resources except for the public school system. The teachers are too busy making sure they make AYP and have no time to encourage these students. If the teachers don't motivate that student, they WILL drop out of high school and may very well become a brilliant criminal. (Has anyone seen "Catch Me If You Can" with Tom Hanks - that was a gifted child.) For those that don't believe ignoring gifted children can lead to dropping out, read this http://www.hiceducation.org/edu_proceedings/Esra%20Ayse%20Kaskaloglu.pdf There are no actual statistcs, but some very good information.

  • Posted By: bethbeth @ 03/05/2009 12:28:03 PM

    I have never understood why it is OK for adults to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on one child so that he can live up to his potential, while letting others languish. There is NO funding for gifted students here. Forcing a child with a 160 IQ to spend the day in a regular class is akin to forcing an average child to spend her days in a class with children with IQ???s of 40 ??? cruel and unusual punishment. Yet one of these we do across the country constantly, and one we wouldn???t dream of. Why are we discriminating against gifted children? America currently does not value intelligence, and we see this with the frighteningly high suicide and dropout rates among our brightest students. They can see that they are not valued and their special needs are not understood. As a mom dealing personally with highly gifted and autism issues, I plead with you ??? please consider the concept of helping ALL children reach their potential. Some day you will need a doctor or a scientist ??? to cure you or save the earth ??? or just to pay the heavy tax burden of supporting the masses ??? and they may no longer be there to save you or your children.

  • Posted By: 1Nell @ 03/05/2009 10:54:07 AM

    I am a parent of two gifted children and one with full blown autism. Public schools aim for the middle of the bell curve and if they use any extra funding for those on either end it is always for the disabled or disadvantaged. To think that No Child Left behind addresses the needs of the gifted is to live in fairy tale land. I am extremely grateful for the special education that my autistic son recieved but ache as I see my other children settle into lives as underachievers. One of my children who is extremely gifted dropped out of high school because he couldn't stand the boredom any longer. Gifted children have much to offer the word but teaching them requires a kind of special education of its own. These children don't need to be given more busy work but challenged to use their wonderful couriosity in productive ways. They are often sensitive people and requie a teacher that understands all their needs. Many of our countries problems could be solved if public education recognized this and acted accordingly.

  • Posted By: Gifted Mom @ 03/04/2009 4:44:52 PM

    What a great article!! I think you should send a copy to President Obama. He needs to know how are gifted and high-performing children are being left behind by No Child Left Behind. As for the reply posted by bettereck, I am sorry your child struggles, but hopefully your child is learning something. My child goes to school and is bored, not learning much at all. Even with a GIEP (mandated by the state of PA), it is hard to get her the education she so deserves. Our high-performing children will be the next researchers, doctors, lawyers, presidents. If we don't properly educate them, we will lose our most precious resource. Gifted children who are not challenged can become underachievers and even high school drop outs. What a waste of potential. It seems that those of us with gifted children are not allowed to complain - after all we have smart children, why should we complain. Gifted children have needs also that are not met in the regular classroom; many also have social and emotional needs. Children at both ends of the spectrum need extra help, but somehow it has become elitist to say a gifted child has needs. I could go on, but don't want to make this too long.

    • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/04/2009 6:01:34 PM

      Gifted children are not being left behind via NCLB, all the public school offers in an appropriate and free education (FAPE) and if the child is above that basic level, good for them. NCLB are for those who are well below that level, be it who it may. If one wants their child to even go beyond where they are than their age typical peers, consider a private school setting.
      In order to qualify for services, that gifted child would have to demonstrate how being gifted interferes with their academics and since they're above their grade levels most times, hard case to prove. No teen ager generally get's services for normal social issues they all go through either.

      • Posted By: tbclasen @ 03/05/2009 9:17:15 AM

        NCLB was NEVER intended to be just for lower performing students. The acronym alone should point that out to you: NO CHILD left behind. Gifted children are NOT receiving the education commensurate with their ability; therefore they ARE being left behind. This article was fantastic, and brought to light just how little the average American public knows or cares about education for gifted children - those children, by the way, who have the highest percentage of drop out rate of any group of children in our public schools.

        • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/05/2009 10:44:22 AM

          The purpose and mission of the No Child Left Behind Act is to eliminate the achievement gap that exists between groups of students within our nation's schools. Disparity exists in the achievement of Black, Hispanic, and students living in poverty when compared to white and more affluent students in the subjects of reading and mathematics.
          NCLB was created due to typical students graduating and not knowing the basics at all. It was created so that those many typical kids would graduate knowing the basics of math, reading and writing skills; to hold teachers and schools accountable for actually teaching students, and knowing if they are actually learning it, or just being passed on through school.

          Gifted children on their own accord are not being left behind on the basic academic curriculum, they are often far more advanced than the curriculum of their same peer age group. NCLB doesn't at all pertain to these children. If gifted children have the highest drop out rate (I'd beg to differ on that) then it's due to them out growing the academic curriculum offered at public school.

      • Posted By: tbclasen @ 03/05/2009 9:16:33 AM

        NCLB was NEVER intended to be just for lower performing students. The acronym alone should point that out to you: NO CHILD left behind. Gifted children are NOT receiving the education commensurate with their ability; therefore they ARE being left behind. This article was fantastic, and brought to light just how little the average American public knows or cares about education for gifted children - those children, by the way, who have the highest percentage of drop out rate of any group of children in our public schools.

      • Posted By: Gifted Mom @ 03/04/2009 9:20:43 PM

        It is obvious that you are not educated concerning gifted children and gifted issues. There are many books on the topic. In PA, gifted children are to learn a year's worth of material in a school year. Routinely, they do not. Private school is expensive and not necessarily a better choice. Gifted children ARE being left behind because teachers are so busy making sure the rest of the class is proficient, they have no time left to spend encouraging the gifted children and high-performing children. People don't seem to understand that a child who is not challenged can become an underachiever, sometimes also wind up in jail and/or on drugs (like someone else commented - I have personally seen this!), as well as dropping out of high school. Just because they can meet academic standards, doesn't mean they should be ignored. ALL children deserve to be educated to their highest potential. As a rule, gifted children are not. Someone mentioned that special ed is underfunded. It would be nice to see SOME funding for gifted education.

  • Posted By: autismbutton.com @ 03/05/2009 10:15:03 AM

    Dear Lindsley,
    Please understand that all children are all worth the SAME. Maybe you should take some of the responsibility of your daughters advanced learning and help her yourself. School is only half of our children's education. Your son deserves an equal chance to excel. Not more and definitely not less. We are all worth the same.

    Your son has the same soul same heart and no one knows what the future holds for him. Yes, your daughter should be challenged. But also stop complaining, thank God she can achieve and do something constructive with it.

    I speak from the same vantage point. I have a son who is 14 and a HIGH FLYER gifted child who has started his own business at 9 and has his own web page. Know what he does? He created a button for his non=verbal brother with autism. It states I'm not misbehaving I have autism please be understanding. He sells them for 3 dollars each. He donates 1 dollar to autism speaks and the others go to Joey's therapies that the SCHOOL doesn't pay for. he has donated over $25,000 to autisms speaks and wants to become a special needs lawyer. www.autismbutton.com He didn't complain that he wasn't learning enough---he did a positive thing with his GIFTED smarts. While realizing his brother was worth the same. If us as parents don't feel our special children are WORTH the same ...who will? I think you are way off base here. What does it say about a society that thinks less of our most vulnerable.
    Shame on you, your son needs your voice.

  • Posted By: Robert Nichols @ 03/05/2009 5:36:08 AM

    As an educator working in a public school for over thirty years, I applaud Ms. Lindsay for having the wisdom and courage to reach beyond the bounds of political correctness to shed light on what I view as one of the greatest challenges that we face in public education. In my work as the director of a high school guidance department I am faced each day with the frustration of having to allocate our already limited resources in a grossly disproportionate manner to meet the mandates governing special education. Though I do not begrudge our special education students the right to a level playing field, when our efforts to do so result in neglecting the needs of the rest of our students, gifted or otherwise, then the field is level for no one. Included in this issue is the cottage industry of lawyers, and special education advocates that too often seem intent on obstructing the normal operation of a public school with the demands placed on administrators, teachers and guidance counselors, as they are dragged away from providing for the needs of the majority of students to attend countless unnecessarily adversarial meetings addressing the needs of one child.
    I am sure that the original legislation on special education was well intentioned and much needed. Over the years however in the absence of any similar advocacy for the majority of our students, special education has indeed become a Sacred Cow that is currently rampaging out of control. Until a mechanism is devised whereby spending for special education is somehow linked to spending for general education I fear that our system of public education will continue to be trampled.

    • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/05/2009 8:28:17 AM

      The mandates governing special education has nothing to do with how a school allocates already limited resources. If there is neglect of other students, that is not to be blamed on special ed but the school itself. The industry of lawyers, and special education advocates would never had been needed if thousands of USA schools weren't manipulating those Federal funds for special ed for other things not related at all to special ed. Those "unnecessarily adversarial meetings" as you put it is a great example of the attitude of schools and of how thousands of schools deny even the smallest of things for a special ed child, since the more they deny, the more they can manipulate those funds for other things.

      If there was actual funding for gifted kids, don't for a minute assume thousands of schools wouldn't manipulate those funds as well. When a parent of special ed threatens to remove their child from the school, that's when the school cares since they'll loose that Federal funding.
      Special ed funds have benefited more of the schools population than it does that child with a disability.

  • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/05/2009 8:14:28 AM

    Hate to tell you gifted doesn't equal perfect. Gifted kids can be just as disruptive as any child can be and many kids with autism or any disability are not disruptive in class at all. Slower does not equal disruptive. Helping other kids would help the boredom for these gifted kids, but I can see your point, why should they help anyone let alone their fellow peer.

  • Posted By: Gifted Mom @ 03/04/2009 9:31:03 PM

    Why is it gifted parents understand the need for funding of special education, but it seems that (at least some) special education parents refuse to understand the need for gifted education? Maybe these parents should familiarize themselves with gifted issues before they make their assumptions, generalizations, and comments!

    • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/04/2009 10:20:12 PM

      The solution would ultimately be is allow the gifted child to advance in grades per their gift however that as well has it's draw backs peer wise socially. No one wants their child in an inclusion class, and that's what it'd be called regardless. Smaller class sizes per gifted child/ special ed has a social impact as well and is very limiting and often causes stigma's as seen here in these posts of those in special ed. The educational system is not going to offer college courses when that gifted child out grows basic public school curriculum so really the only thing a school can ideally offer is allow the child to progress above their peer academic levels and if they go beyond that, have them graduate sooner.

      • Posted By: bionicle @ 03/05/2009 6:13:41 AM

        Why should the gifted kids have to help anyone else? They are there to learn and to be taught. Not to act as teachers aides to the slower and disruptive children.

  • Posted By: thenagle5 @ 03/04/2009 6:38:08 PM

    Good for you, Ms. Lindsley! I applaud your courage in being willing to touch the Sacred Cow that is educational funding for Special Ed students that is, in fact, starving out the rest of the students (gifted or not). The only way this situation will be remedied is if it is discussed outside our homes. To the small minded people who are attacking a woman for pointing out the discrepancies in the educational opportunities her children receive, shame on you! Why shouldn't we want the best for our children, no matter their level? How dare you decide that a "gifted" child is not as worthy of stimulus as a "special ed" child? Lord knows, no one is allowed to suggest that a "special ed" child is not deserving of the money spent on them, so why isn't she allowed to say that her "gifted" child isn't receiving her fair share of the funds. The situation is out of balance and getting worse. Again, Ms. Lindsley, I applaud you for tackling this hot-button issue...don't let the ignorant name-calling get you down.

    • Posted By: Sandy_in_USA @ 03/04/2009 9:27:23 PM

      Special ed was there when those kids were secluded or presently in inclusion, and that funded has nothing to do with the typical student body. Those funds have nothing to do with the state funds that schools get per head. Generally speaking, that's all schools get per head is state funds. So no special ed child is starving any one, they have their own funding.

      If you want the best for any child, doesn't matter if your child is special ed, typical or gifted: the school never ever has provided the best for any student. It never will.

      Thank Ms. Lindsley for this prejudice topic linking funds of special ed to a gifted student to NCLB. What is really sad is this mother has a disabled child. This isn't the "fair share of funds". You want funding, go get it like the rest of us did, and we didn't get it buy writing articles to news week whining about "my fair share".

      Spam@mulberryhall.us~ if you think a 'label' gets you all that Government benefits, you're sadly mistaken and quite prejudice. The majority of special ed kids only get an IEP from the school and nothing more. Did you ask Ms. Lindsley if she is getting Government benefits for her disabled child? Maybe she had him labeled on purpose??

      • Posted By: Tabi @ 03/04/2009 10:57:33 PM

        This is somewhat true only if you view things at the level of the funding of a particular school. The school ends up with funds that are already spent on special education, plus other funds that they have dedicated to the student body in general. So, in a sense, special education students take nothing away. But, if you view it on the societal level, than they do. Or, you can instead frame the question as being whether we as a society put more money aside for special education kids or gifted kids. In this case, we definitely spend more per child on special education kids.

        But then, should we spend more per student for the bottom rung and the top rung but leave the middle rung with the smallest share per student?

        Then of course, there is separating the kids based on intelligence. That works and it doesn't. Anyone who has ever observed a class and seen how the gifted kids help everyone around them knows that gifted kids are a boon to more than themselves. But then, smart kids often prefer to move faster. If they are constantly left to be bored, they became notorious slackers to fill the time. I remember reading a book during class as well.

        I think private school may be a good solution in the end.

  • Posted By: pgabridge @ 03/04/2009 5:40:51 PM

    Cutting Special Needs funding to increase "Gifted" programs is incredibly misguided, for several reasons. First, there is already plenty of opportunity out there for gifted individuals--various enrichment programs through universities, and after high school, top notch universities themselves. Our entire society has multiple openings for bright, intelligent, gifted individuals. The same cannot be said of children (and adults) with disabilities, while there are some programs for such kids, they are few and far between and poorly funded. (BTW, the budget amount mentioned in the article for No Child Left Behind is mostly used for regular education, not Special Education.)

    When proposing such a change, it makes sense to look at the risks, benefits, and costs for both the child, family, and society. For the Gifted Child, additional funding may or may not make a difference, but what is the cost of a lack of programming? Some loss of potential? Perhaps. Perhaps the gifted child will be "doomed" to lead a slightly more ordinary life, but certainly one that is self-supporting and can still benefit society.

    On the other hand, the cost of failing to provide adequate special education to children with special needs is high indeed. The goal of success is, as the author points out, sometimes just to be self-sufficient. Failure to help reach this "minimum" standard results in institutionalization, either in group homes, larger facilities, or prison. Just look at the percentage of our high school dropouts and prison population who have various developmental and learning disabilities. This is the result of underfunding special education--a drain on society, a long-term burden on families, and great loss of freedom and potential for the children not served. These costs are definite--not just potentialities (as opposed to the losses with not fully funding "gifted" education).

    One of the great shames of America right now is actually the lack of Federal funding for Special Education. More and more of the burden of special education is being borne by states and local school districts. Increased reliance on local funding for special education results in growing inequality in student performance between rich suburban districts, with special needs children with milder needs, and poor urban districts, with large populations of children with severe needs.

    Ms. Lindsley's daughter will be all right, whether she gets increased "gifted" program funding or not, but her son's future will be far less bright without early and proper special education support.

    • Posted By: Gifted Mom @ 03/04/2009 9:23:13 PM

      Look at the percentage of high school dropouts, drug addicts and criminals that were gifted students that were not challenged. (I know a drug addict that was a gifted kid who was not challenged). ALL children should be educated to their fullest potential.

    • Posted By: naglec @ 03/04/2009 6:12:51 PM

      how can you an good conscience justify such a statement? "Perhaps the gifted child will be "doomed" to lead a slightly more ordinary life, but certainly one that is self-supporting and can still benefit society."

  • Posted By: LM2002 @ 03/04/2009 7:28:34 PM

    The issue here is not to neglect or cut off all funding to Spec Ed students but rather if we could reallocated some funding to capitalize on the brightest of our students. It could be as simple as not requiring so much paperwork for the Spec Ed students and we could free up funds. If you think waiting until high school, paying for private (being gifted does not mean you are wealthy), or doing the home school is reasonable, I'd say we need to look at the state of the US versus the world. As much as some on this board want to ignore this fact, the US is falling behind. I wonder how many posters here have done research into recent growth rates of other countries in the math & sciences and how early this education starts in other countries (usually by age 4 or 5). What comes from our brightest? Not just doctors and lawyers, but astronomers, inventors (technological advances), and scientists. The US college system spends a great deal of time training other countries students (student visas) to fill up universities physics & math programs b/c we don't have enough US students in these disciplines. A large part of this is due to the fact that we wait too long to identify and encourage our brightest students. The US cannot afford to continue to allocate all its resources to one sect of the educational population. Again, simple changes could result in a reallocation of funding. It does not mean you have to give up or ignore the Spec Ed students. I'd fear there aren't going to be more funds, so we must look at what we can change to meet the needs of all - it is in our country's best interest to bring some change.

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