i was talked to a director on the board and said that the money paid to CEOs is too high. I was told that my pea brain was too little too understand why they get paid so much and to leave before he called security. I work as a cleaner.
How to fix Wall Street's bonus system.
i was talked to a director on the board and said that the money paid to CEOs is too high. I was told that my pea brain was too little too understand why they get paid so much and to leave before he called security. I work as a cleaner.
"Secondly, CEOs in the FIRE sector tend to receive a larger part of their compensation as stock (usually restricted stock). In actuality, that structure helps wed executives' interests with those of shareholders:
Clearly, this baseless assertion is demonstrably false, as anyone can see by looking at the current situation. All this does is give management incentive to spend their time manipulating their companies stock price instead of, you know, actually running their business.
"OFF WITH THEIR HEADS"
Jail will not be enough for these men. I cannot believe people are not demanding these men PAY UP for their mistakes. These CEO???s are as bad as terrorists. They have robbed us of our 401K???s, our nest eggs. Yet, they can sit on their yacht???s with their plastic surgery overdone wives and ungrateful trust fund kids enjoying the finer things in life on our misery and their $20 million dollar bonuses, on top of their million dollar salaries. WAKE UP AMERICA, AND DEMAND that they be held accountable for their actions, not just by jail. Hit them where it hurts, their wallets. WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN - They should each take their salaries & their bonuses from 2007 & 2008 and divi it up among every American family who made or makes less than $250K a year. That is fair considering American???s are losing their jobs, their homes and can???t even afford a decent meal for themselves or their families. All while these men lie, cheat and steal when we trusted them with our nest eggs and livelihoods. Their combined salaries and bonuses for both 2007 & 2008 total could help millions of American???s out. It???s time WE STAND UP AND DEMAND these CEO???s to pay us back. Why just demand white collar jail that won???t be punishment enough, they need to repay with more than just jail, but also with their wallets.
*OFF WITH THEIR HEADS*
Jail will not be enough for these men. I cannot believe people are not demanding these men PAY UP for their mistakes. These CEO???s are as bad as terrorists. They have robbed us of our 401K???s, our nest eggs. Yet, they can sit on their yacht???s with their plastic surgery overdone wives and ungrateful trust fund kids enjoying the finer things in life on our misery and their $20 million dollar bonuses, on top of their million dollar salaries. WAKE UP AMERICA, AND DEMAND that they be held accountable for their actions, not just by jail. Hit them where it hurts, their wallets. WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN - They should each take their salaries & their bonuses from 2007 & 2008 and divi it up among every American family who made or makes less than $250K a year. That is fair considering American???s are losing their jobs, their homes and can???t even afford a decent meal for themselves or their families. All while these men lie, cheat and steal when we trusted them with our nest eggs and livelihoods. Their combined salaries and bonuses for both 2007 & 2008 total could help millions of American???s out. It???s time WE STAND UP AND DEMAND these CEO???s to pay us back. Why just demand white collar jail that won???t be punishment enough, they need to repay with more than just jail, but also with their wallets.
America's troubles: First: GREED! Multimillion dollar salaries and multimillion dollar bonuses in every industry in America. Greed pushes the prices up on everything and makes it harder for the rest of us. Next: STUPIDITY! JAPAN DID NOT SEND THEIR PROFITS OVER HERE!. When Japanese car sells started overtaking American car sells in the 1980s, there was a campaign to BUY AMERICAN and the Japanese sent just enough of their operations over here to shut up the BUY AMERICAN campaign and keep us buying their cars. Their strategy worked. Back in the 1980s, I went to a doctor's office I had once worked at to visit. One of my friends had just bought a foreign car. I tried to tell her she should've bought an American car because Americans buying foreign cars would eventually affect her job. Her reply, like so many others, "It's about time the auto workers suffered because they have had it good for so long." She also said "People are always going to be sick." Eight months later, I went back to visit again and she was worried about being laid off because "The Blues aren't paying." It was at that time I told her that was what I was trying to tell her when I was there before. I told her all those auto workers losing their jobs also lost their medical benefits. Several family members have visited Japan and I have had the same question for each of them upon their return: "Do you see the Japanese driving a lot of American cars?" In every case, the answer has been "NO, they drive their Japanese cars." We sent our standard of living to Japan and the Japanese are smart enough to keep it. We better wise up and TAKE it back. When I am at red lights, I check how many other American cars are sitting at the red light with me. In most cases, either my car is the only American car sitting at the light or there is only one other American car. If you are still in a position to do so, you are driving a foreign car, and you want to save America, trade your foreign car in for an American car. GREED, HOARDING, AND SELFISHNESS has killed trickle down economics and is about to kill capitalism. To republicans, GREED, HOARDING, AND SELFISHNESS is called capitalism. President Obama is not promoting socialism; he is trying to prevent the death of capitalism. What is being done in America in the workplaces today will definitely bring about the death of capitalism. People are being worked at low wages and strategies being used to ensure that there will be no upward mobility. For example: Cutting hours to just enough so employees can be classified as part-time and not provided benefits and making the workers inelligible for unemployment benefits when laid off, and in some cases, laying them off just short of the time needed to be put in to qualify for unemployment benefits and hiring new workers in their place. Top management saves money and fattens their salaries and bonuses. These practices guarantee the top 1 to 3% will get richer and
Of course they are paid too much. They don't own the companies. The are in charge, along with an overpaid incestuous Board of Directors, of running a publically traded company. The profits should be returned to the real owners - the stockholders. The top management's pay should be tied to the pay of the lowest level employee - just like Ben & Jerry's - and most of the profit should go to the shareholders - and also a portion should be shared amongst all of the employees. Corporations shouldn't be allowed to become huge international cartels. Corporations should be limited in scope and should be routinely dissolved every 20-30 years with the wealth distributed to the shareholders and employees.
CEO's as a rule are paid too much. But, when they receive these outlandish bonuses, perks when their leadship has failded is criminal. Then, add to that they received these undeserved bonuses with taxpayer money should be considered fraud.
I do wish there was someway these egotistical, immoral people would face criminal charges, or, at the least, be
made to pay back every taxpayer cent.
I am a professional engineer making 100K. I am lucky to have a good job. I have a masters degree and must be conscious of safety and cost on all my projects. I'm sure I would be vigorously flamed if I suggested what these executives should be paid but when you get north of 1 million a year I expect genius. Instead we get unmitigated greed. You can't blame the CEOs. They are only scum afterall. The directors are to blame for allowing the abuse but they collude with the executives and cling to enough stock to control the votes and secure their positions. It is a shame that the only way to control them is to shun their products an hurt so many innocent people along with them.
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Are CEO'S paid too much? That is the question. Obviously, they are. Anyone who disagrees should take a look at the small banks in our country, who are generally doing just fine. Apparently, they knew what they were doing much more than these hot shots at the big banks. You would think that highly educated people like these would know how to run a bank. Now the average person must bail them out. It's frusterating, because somebody who owns a small business won't get bailed out if it goes under. But if we don't shell out money to these banks, our economy will certainly worsen. And to make things worse, these executives were using company jets, all well knowing that their banks were suffering. They even had expensive parties after recieving bail-out money. President Obama, a while back, stated that we all need to sacrifice to get out of this economic mess. Oh really? Why should the everday person sacrifice, it should be the CEO's! There the ones who messed up and keep taking and taking!
That's AS I SEE IT. I'm Mike "Mainer Mike" Brown.
CEO dont deserve what they make. It is fact that we continue to reward Executives based on encouraging the wrong behaviors. The author only touches on the fact that we are rewarding execs on very short term returns. Short term in financial terms is within a Fiscal Year. We are not even talking about 12 months performance....but lets drive a behavior during a fiscal year. This is an insane way to measure execs. The very best run companies (many are privately held) are companies that focus and pay exec on LONG TERM thinking. Execs, especially in the finance industry are so richly rewarded they dont care about future years and the over all impacts their decision make. They dont need to be. I can, as an exec, implement plans and policies that so manipulate short term results, and so richly reward me in that time that I can last 2-3 years and make so much money.....it make no difference what carnage remains after my departure. Keep in mind that many of these execs are not even the best or the brightest...even in their own companies. They are the ones that happened to be best at "manipulating" the facts and their own communications style that allowed them to rise to the top levels. There are likely many brighter people as well as more honest and ethical people that were not able to rise to the top posts. There is much more to say on this but the facts are unequivolcal....executives (CEO's) are overpaid in all industries but especially financial sectors....and the boards the supervise them have been largely "out to lunch" in their oversight. Short story on my last comment is this: "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" is likely the mantra from the board room. CEO's sit on multiple boards, so inevitably they are the oversight within a very closed system of obversight. If Government does not begin inserting themselves, who will? Industries have been incapable of self governing. CEO to individual contributor pay disparity has risen from something like 40:1, to now closer to 360:1. Do we really believe that CEO value has risen that much in the past 20 years? Hardly. It is likely just the opposite. Lets fix it...one way or another.
Absolutely!!! Especially when they have all ( well just about all) been doing a HORRIBLE job!!!
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Ah,,,Incentive. Yes, we are all pavlovian in our self-gratifying wallow. "I did this, gimme" When you give your all to a company, do they appreciate it? No. You are but a small cog in the machine. If you are among the "in" crowd, you eill be "compensated" for your contribution to the business. Huh?
This is the way of the jew. And to be thwarted, halted, and abolished. Yeah, I said "jew"., what about it?
You mongering bastards have been raping us for too long. Your ways are the problem. Funny, how the rest of the world does'nt allow your kind of manipulation
I say kill them all. They are traitors. They are worse than murderers and rapist. They are guilty of crimes against humanity. I am not joking, the only bonus these banksters (including the ones at the Fed and Treasury) deserve is a bullet in the back of the head and a shallow grave.
Thank you for the input from the Communist China sector.
edpatincebu - You need professional help.
No, please, they're likely on Medicare. I don't want to pay for that.
Who cares! If that's what their shareholders want to pay them then its none of your business. NONE!! PERIOD!! And we never should have bailed ANYONE OUT!! PERIOD!! Get over it. GO attack the idiots in Hollywood who are truly overpaid. Work on their compensation system.
But we ARE bailing them out, so it IS our business.
After all, you and I now own 76-78% of AIG, for example. I don't see the need to pay the CEO more than $100,000/year. How about you, fellow stockholder?
While I understand the oppertunities a captalistic economy provides to those who put out extra effort to get ahead, I have difficulty understanding how many extra hours a CEO must work to make a million dollar salary verses a clerk who puts in 40 hours a week @ $12.00 an hour. 24 hours a day X 365 days a year X $12.00 = $105,120.00. Are the days longer in the penthouse? Now tell me how the CEO can succeed without the effort of the clerk?
The US government encouraged (in some cases required) these companies to give loans to those never deserved to have a house to begin with. When you take out a loan, you need to do your responsibility and READ THE CONTRACT YOU SIGN. If you're living paycheck-to-paycheck while renting a place that costs you less than a house payment does, DON'T BUY. Don't look to your fellow taxpayer to foot the bill. I hear you all bitch on the train. I have no sympathy.
You want to bitch about CEO pay? When was the last time your worked a +100 hour week? +80? Most work a longer hours than you do. The majority of Wall Streeters work a minimum of 75 hour weeks, sustained, year 'round. Most of you bitching probably work 40 tops. Most WS salaries are actually based on a 37-40 hour work week, yet they routinely work twice that much. Why? The bonus incentive. They don't get paid overtime. Overtime is just expected. You might say the bonus is accrued unpaid overtime compensation, even.
Do some of these CEOs get overpaid for what they do? Sure. And guess what, the company should be allowed to fail. Because the board (and by proxy the shareholders) failed to do their due diligence. I work for a privately-held company that lost half of its holdings last year and we didn't take a single cent from our investors for it. But, yes, bonuses were paid out. Because a helluvalot of people at the company worked very hard and met their stated goals, but our performance is tied to that of the rest of the economy. The difference? Our CEO paid for employees' bonuses out of his own pocket. Because it was the right thing to do to keep the talent on board that he knows he has.
If you want to point fingers - look long and hard at your elected officials. This situation is +100 years in the making. It's not Bush's fault, it's not Obama's fault. Neither has (or will) make it any better. The government should lead by example and act as a steward for citizen's interests. You want a stronger, more prosperous US? Reduce the government, get the money you're paying in taxes back into your own hands and increase personal responsibility and accountability. J.F. Kennedy had it right - ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. What have you done for your country lately? Bitch and moan, ask for handouts and pass the buck to someone that makes more money than you, from the looks of it. I don't see anyone questioning why Nanci Pelosi is tooling back and forth to California in a 100-person private jet while vilifying CEOs summoned to testify in front of congress flying in significantly smaller, cheaper and more efficient jets. For that matter, why is Obama flying to Eckhart, Indiana on a 747 justifying spending all of this money. How many MILLIONS did that cost?
You want to know who's responsible for this mess? Take a look in the mirror. All of us need to.
Dude! U ever try signing a mortgage application ? Even people with advanced degrees in English, Math and Finance can't fully understand the terms, terminology and complexity of these contracts. I know, coz I just signed some of these docs and I do have an advanced degree and I couldn't understand half of it. It is not like they signed one sheet of paper which said that "I will pay you back a sum of $x at y% interest over 30 years in monthly installments". These financial types who "approve" loans didn't give a hoot as they were reselling these loans to some third party and running an insurance scam in the process. Don't simplify this complicated process into one of simple greed and avarice on the part of home owners. I'm sure there are scammers but they form a miniscule percentage of home owners and a large percentage of lenders who have huge teams of lawyers writing these deliberately complicated and misleading contracts. You and your conservative friends ranting about personal responsibility should shut up and stop lying that greedy home buyers and innocent bankers led to this mess. Stop fooling yourself and others.
I think the article suggests reasonable but very limited solutions. Comments posted below add valuable additional steps that need to be taken. This article may not be the best in terms of solutions provided but it is not entertainment journalism. At least the author is not ranting about how it is not right for government to tell companies how to run their business as is the case in most msm outlets. Finally, if anyone tells you that you are too stupid to understand these "complex" issues and that there is this one person who is the only one capable of understanding and fixing this mess (remember that fraudster Paulson ??), they are pulling one on you. Anyone can understand these issues if they are willing to spend the time and effort researching all that is going on. The public has been fulled by businessmen, poiliticians and media into supporting large scale outflow of cold hard cash from the treasury to these fraud companies.
This is another filler article with no facts and poor theory as is so common in economics. The press forgets that stockholders own the company and have consistently rubber stamped the board's compensation proposals. Managers of public corporations are employees NOT ENTREPRENUERS. The techniques used to boost earnings are well known and can be duplicted using a computer program. Public corporations should limit executive pay to reasonalbe ratios of 10 - 15 times the averabe employee pjay. If the want more pay raise the employee wages. Stock options for executives should be the same as those for mon-management employees. If there are no stock options for employees then there are none for the executives. If employees receive 100 share then the executives receive shares in the same ratio as their salaries to employees, 10 - 15 times the shares received by an individual employee. Ther should be no golden paracutes, executives should be governed by the same rules as any other employee. There is a major problem with stock ownership and the voting of shares. Mutual funds own large numbers of share so investors should have some say over how those shares are voted. As I understand it, mutual funds use third parties who supposedly study the companies proposals and decide how the shares are to be voted. I believe that they rubber stamp the proposals just as many individual stock holders do. The voting of mutual fund shares needs to be changed, a difficult task I know. Finally the compensation committee of the board should consist of 1 board member, a nonj-manament employee and private stock holder with less than 1000 shares. This would, hopefullly, provide some common sense and balance when considering executive pay.
This tepid piece of non-think journalism entirely misses the point, or fails to appreciate the points it inadvertently does make. First non-point: ???financial incentives are the heart of capitalism and free markets.??? But what the writer euphemistically terms ???financial incentives??? turns out to be based on the fool???s gold of today???s short-term profit turned tomorrow???s toxic assets. And ???free markets??? really aren???t free at all, when the same people (who rant like Rick Santelli without a pacifier) still demand to be richly compensated for FAILURE ??? in many cases the biggest FAILURES of their kind in the history of the world. So much for ???financial incentives,??? ???free markets,??? and while I???m at it ???capitalism.??? These so-called capitalists have invented a fail-safe system that even the Politburo of the old Soviet Union would have coveted in their fondest wet dreams.
Give me a break. Newsweek has no solutions. It and the entire genre of solipsistic entertainment-journalism will keep cranking out their self-serving illusions until the world???s entire financial system collapses, and planet earth along with it. And their toady execs will still be demanding ??? you got it -- bonuses!
According to Exxon Mobil???s financial statements, the CEO, R.W. Tillerson, owns 929,149 shares of company stock. That???s close to $60 million at current XOM share prices. So basically the CEO is the biggest shareholder at XOM. It???s probably hard for him to make any business decision without thinking of its impact on his assets. Laying-off a few thousand employees during a recession might be rightly justified in order to ???realign the cost structure of the company with current demand forecasts???. But isn???t it coincidental that it also maintains the profit margin at a constant percentage even as revenues decline, thus enabling the dividend yield to remain constant for shareholders? Some employees lose so that shareholders win, but the biggest shareholders win the biggest. Some of those employees may have even had a wealth of knowledge in their heads, but its always easier when looking through the lens of financial analysis to see the immediate hard savings while being blind to the long term immeasurable costs such as loss of institutional knowledge and decline in productivity due to fear. Does anybody else see a conflict of interest when you allow your CEO to be your biggest shareholder?
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