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Cash In A Mattress? No, Gold In The Closet.

With prices setting new records, the worried wealthy are piling up ingots in home safes. NEWSWEEK goes shopping for precious metal.

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  • Posted By: Phil in Tucson @ 03/26/2009 11:05:56 PM

    If the calamity comes, what do these folks think they're going to do with their gold? Eat it? For the last eight years the government's run up a huge deficit (why, what did we get out of it??) and that's okay.... Now we need to pull out the ol' national charge card to get the working class people out of a economic mess not of their making and the rich start piling gold under the matress... Very patriotic.

    • Posted By: jgoemaat @ 10/10/2009 1:17:52 PM

      "If the calamity comes, what do these folks think they're going to do with their gold?"
      - Who said some "calamity" is the only reason to buy gold? People have used it as a store of wealth against government hyper-inflating their currencies for thousands of years. Those of us who purchased it last Summer vs. buying "stocks" have been handsomely rewarded.

      "Eat it?"
      - No, but I'd rather have the purchasing power of a 6 pound gold bar than shares of just about any stock. Stock now is now not even a piece of paper, simply ones and zeros in a computer! Owning precious metals is part of an overall plan, not the ONLY plan - you are making a LOT of assumptions!

      "Now we need to pull out the ol' national charge card to get the working class people out of a economic mess not of their making and the rich start piling gold under the matress... "
      - We all have the right to protect our families and our earnings. You are lumping this "rich guy" in with the financial elite. If you really want the "rich" to pay, start with the ultra-rich - the inter-generational trusts of the Rockafellers & Rothschilds (and their minions) - that wealth has been estimated deep into the trillions. Complaining about the middle-level henchmen will never solve the problem - they are easily replaced and lined up to do so. These groups have massive under-ground vaults filled with Gold - go after them first - they have robbed your savings via currently inflation.

      "Very patriotic."
      - So are you now the master of labeling what investments are patriotic? Gold and silver currency are actually mentioned in the Constitution while taxing the masses to bail out privately owned banks is definitely NOT - it may be allowed in the Communist Manifesto. What Patriotic ideals are you referring to here?

  • Posted By: HomesickForKyoto @ 03/19/2009 4:20:48 PM

    I am trying to picture a scenario in which the economy collapses and my neighbor drops by to offer me 'some gold' for some of the produce from my garden, or in exchange for some of my hand tools - I don't think I would take that trade.

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 03/20/2009 9:25:17 AM

      Homesick, I don't believe that you've studied this out. There is always a currency of one sort or the other, whether coins or paper. You buy the gold with ten papers or ten coins and then when the paper and the coins inflate, you trade that same gold back for a hundred papers or a hundred coins. Then, after selling the gold, the buyers come to your bountiful garden and ask to buy your veggies at the current paper or coin price. I admire your veggies, but will not show up to buy yours. I have already started planting my tomatoes. Other veggies to follow. The vegetable garden makes life better. I hope that you get to go to Kyoto soon. Homesickness is possibly the most miserable condition in life. Cheers, and may you travel well.

      • Posted By: HomesickForKyoto @ 03/20/2009 7:21:01 PM

        Thanks olderwiser, that's a good point.
        You know, Mom knew what she was talking about when she told us to eat our veggies, ddin't she?

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/19/2009 11:28:14 PM

      He would bring it to Martket at $1,000.00 Per Ounce and then Deposit his Money, in the Bank...

      Dumb Dumb.

  • Posted By: motleyhar @ 03/20/2009 9:18:33 AM

    There is a LOT of gold out there, a LOT! What will happen when th eprice of gold falls (and it will)? Bad things, thats what.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 03/20/2009 9:16:15 AM

    Once money has no metallic or other tangible standard to be measured against, its value becomes measured against the whim of those in power at the moment, especially for the convenience of those in power at the moment. We presently value the dollar on the "whim" standard as we sail in a stormy sea lacking both rudder and anchor, at the mercy of the shoals down the winds of time. A little gold is not an unreasonable possession in these times.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/19/2009 11:29:00 PM

    The FED should go back to being [[Nationalized]] and the Government needs to then have [[Gold]] back as the standard.

    A Private Corporation should not make US Currency any more, we all SEE what has happened when Bankers dictate the Markets....

    The FED, Wall Street, The Banking System, S&P, The Dow Jones, Nadaq, Bear & Sterns, AIG, Land Developers, Speculators and Mortgage Companies are to BLAME for this Nation's Misery and Woe...

    And those Damn Land Developers, Snake Oil Men, is what they are, making those Damn Cookie Cutter Castles, as well as Over Pricing them, knowing full well these Over Priced and Cheaply Constructed, Cookie Cutting Castles, would Top Out and Belly Up, within 2 -3 Years, after the Home Owners Purchased and Refinanced these Quickly Made and Cheaply Assembled Horror Stories !!

    All the institutions are Inter-Connected and is to Blame, but no one Dare makes a Sound

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/18/2009 12:27:29 PM

    The Dollar Stopped being Backed by [[Gold]] in 1913, when Woodrow Wilson signed the [[Federal Reserve Act]] and it was a big mistake, had our Currency continued to Made by the Government and Backed by [[Gold]] Our Economy would be in Great Shape, just look at the Price of Gold.

    We would not have to Borrow Money from [[Communist-Socialist China]] we would be one of the Nations other than Brazil and Canada Surviving and Thriving in this Economic Down turn, but alas, the Federal Reserve, a Private Corporation, Controls and Prints our Currency and thus we are in this Financial Bind...

    If the FED had continued to have [[Gold]] to back our Currency, I would have Nothing Against the FED Printing the US Dollar, but [[Gold]] does not back the US Dollar...

    Sorry

    Facts are Facts

    Just think, had the Federal Reserve Continued to have GOLD BACK our US Dollar, we would be in Great or Stable Shape !!

    • Posted By: Nonus88 @ 03/19/2009 1:17:14 AM

      One more American who GETS IT!!

      • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/19/2009 11:26:46 PM

        Thanks

        Its the God's Honest Truth

  • Posted By: Nonus88 @ 03/18/2009 11:56:41 AM

    CHIZMARLAN @ 03/13/2009 9:01:45 PM says:
    "You cannot name ONE significant use for gold, don't even try."
    Hmmm.... one significant use for gold:
    "Gold is money, and nothing else." -- J.P. Morgan

  • Posted By: scnewman @ 03/17/2009 4:43:05 PM

    October of 2007: Crazy - You???re a fatalistic nut-job! I tell this to my brother; a middle-class, hard working service-branch manager. 18 months ago he sells all is stocks and bonds, basically any investments or paperless money he had. He went cashless with the exception of about 5 grand in the checking account to pay bills. I laughed at him and called him a moron, he looked like Noah a year before the flood building his boat! I called him an idiot, and he is someone I love and respect. March of 2009: I wish I had done the same because this stimulus plan is taking us down a dead end, for the first time in my life I actually think the sky is falling. To my brother Bryan; my apologies to you, for those like you that ???got off the grid??? you are all smarter than me. To those that switched to solar panels, installed wells instead of city water, and planned ahead ??? you???re smarter than me. My brother is the same type that buys a generator and ensures he has gas when there is a tropical-storm warning, I wait for the Hurricane to arrive and can???t figure out why the stores are empty! No longer! Firearms and Gold have reached record highs, well it???s too late to sell of my assets for Gold, so a garage full of MRE???s and firearms may be my only option, as they are the next sought after items now - besides Gold. Gold???s rapid sales increase is your tropical storm warning as the Hurricane will be here in 18 months. I have learned this lesson well. Steve

  • Posted By: Eatme @ 03/09/2009 8:24:16 AM

    But just like the Romans exiting Britain at the downfall of the Roman Empire, the "rich people" could not offer enough money or gold for their protection as they attempted to flee Britain. So, will be the same with these thieves. THey will be slaughtered in the street as the worry about their gold.
    And, I thought it was illegal to possess gold personally.

    • Posted By: rho1953 @ 03/09/2009 8:33:36 AM

      You know nothing. Millions of people buy gold for very good reasons. Their lack of trust in government fiscal policy has been proven right. The people without gold or silver are the fools. They will be at the mercy or others generosity when the collapse happens. At the very least they are hedged against inflation. Are you?

      • Posted By: Cannoneer2 @ 03/09/2009 11:08:17 PM

        You buy gold. Plenty of it, please! I'll continue to add to my stockpile of 7.62x51 ammunition. Then, when things gets serious, I'll have both (a slightly reduced stockpile of) ammunition AND gold.

        • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 03/16/2009 8:47:05 AM

          But most of us with gold have more than adequate supplies of ammunition as well, plus the ability to reload it. And to top it off we have plenty of food, even enough for charity. Thieves like you will die trying to steal from me.

          • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 03/17/2009 7:52:41 AM

            I can't wait for this world. It almost sounds like some are looking forward to it. To the gun nuts out there, I hate to tell you, but a bunch of guns isn't much use against an angry desperate mob. You might feel better until the ammo runs out or you have to sleep. Or they burn you out. You can't shoot your way out of an apocalypse.

            • Posted By: JackBass @ 03/17/2009 9:51:45 AM

              There are other weapons to protect against the starving hoards. By your attitude, you will be one of the many starving theives.

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 03/15/2009 12:44:43 PM

      By jove, I think that something has eaten you, Eatme, starting in the cranium.

    • Posted By: rho1953 @ 03/09/2009 8:34:03 AM

      You know nothing. Millions of people buy gold for very good reasons. Their lack of trust in government fiscal policy has been proven right. The people without gold or silver are the fools. They will be at the mercy or others generosity when the collapse happens. At the very least they are hedged against inflation. Are you?

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/17/2009 8:51:12 AM

    I Told You all, Bankers Control Politics and the World's Economy and Plan on keeping it, this way.
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    For more than a year, the U.S. Federal Reserve System has been increasingly acting as the world's central bank, injecting hundreds of billions of dollars into foreign government treasuries in an effort to increase liquidity in those countries.

    The foreign central banks have used the U.S. currency to bail out financial institutions within their borders. The Fed program links its balance sheet directly to the fates of foreign central banks at a time when they're on the ropes.

    The program has so far gone unreported in the mainstream media and is a major expansion of Federal Reserve involvement in the global economy. It represents a stark break from the prior role of the Fed, moving it into territory more traditionally occupied by the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

    The program puts both the Fed and the foreign central banks at increased risk. If the bailed-out banks can't repay the loans, the foreign central bank is still on the hook to the Fed. It would have to raise the money by selling debt -- which most Europeans are finding difficult today -- or raise taxes or cut spending, actions that further exacerbate the economic crisis. Or, the foreign central bank could default, leaving the U.S. holding a bag of foreign currency of plummeting value.

    The U.S. taxpayer has also bailed out foreign banks indirectly by pumping billions into American Insurance Group, which announced Sunday that it had forwarded that cash to counterparties that include foreign banks such as Societe Generale, Deutsche Bank, Calyon, Credit Suisse, the Royal Bank of Scotland and Barclays.

    "I'm concerned about Europe," Paul Krugman wrote in Monday's New York Times. "Actually, I'm concerned about the whole world -- there are no safe havens from the global economic storm. But the situation in Europe worries me even more than the situation in America."

    The Fed program adds up to serious money. The most recent balance sheet released by the Fed shows that $314 billion U.S. dollars are currently doled out to foreign central banks under the foreign exchange program. That's down from a December peak of nearly $600 billion, as central banks have repaid some of the loans.

    "What happened last fall, when the credit markets seized up so badly, was really a departure because some additional countries that would not have been in the Federal Reserve swap network in earlier years at all were brought in, like the central bank of Brazil, Bank of Mexico, and some smaller ones like the bank in New Zealand, the Norwegian central bank and so on."

    The full list of participating banks, according to the Fed, includes the Reserve Bank of Australia, Bank of Canada, Danmarks Nationalbank, Bank of England, Bank of Korea, Banco de Mexico, Reserve Bank of New Zealand, Norges Bank, Monetary Authority of Singapore, Sveriges Riksbank, and S

  • Posted By: Westernesse @ 03/14/2009 9:28:56 PM

    The only heavy metal I am personally concerned about hoarding is lead....people go after gold but run from lead

    • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 03/17/2009 7:54:26 AM

      you better hoard an awful lot of it.

  • Posted By: Braes @ 03/09/2009 9:12:14 AM

    Silver is just as viable a vehicle as gold, and within the reach of the average soul. As for converting now to either silver or gold, my question is, now we would be selling what securities we have at what hopefullly is near the bottom, and at steep losses.

    • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 03/17/2009 7:34:38 AM

      The average soul can still buy gold, they just buy less in weight than silver. If you can't afford to buy one gold coin, you are already in hot water. But I agree that this would be a terrible time to trade securities for gold. You'd be selling at a loss and buying gold at a relatively high price. Maybe a little survival training or a few books on how to do all those little things that someone currently does for you would be a better hedge than burying shiny metal in your back yard.

  • Posted By: gonzo510 @ 03/09/2009 9:41:30 AM

    Unfortunately, if that day comes, gold wont save you from the anarchy and collapse of the fundamental underpinnings of our society. In a matter of weeks there would be nothing left to barter for, if you're actually still alive.

    • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 03/17/2009 7:24:03 AM

      Seriously. Who wants to live in that world anyway. Like one poster said, Cipro might be more valuable. I don't want somebody killing me for my gold stash either. You can follow the logic. First you horde Gold. Then you have to have guns to defend it, security systems in place, bars on your windows, and a matching ulcer. If society collapses, knowledge might be just as important as gold. Like how do you preserve food? Or how do you get insulin. Or how do you fix your roof, deliver a baby, stay warm in the winter. Ultimately, you have to put your faith in something bigger than gold. I'm not trying to evangelize here, except to say that I think people make themselves miserable trying to be so in charge of every facet of their lives and plan for every possible scary future. I have a fire extinguisher in my house, and smoke alarms and no gold. I'm ready for what I do have a little control over.

  • Posted By: gvillagran3 @ 03/13/2009 1:57:08 PM

    Some of the comments in regard to Gold's long term returns Vs. those of the markets are simply incorrect.

    As usual when some one talk about numbers, a clear point of reference most be established and followed trough in order for the information to be valid.

    For purposes of "long term " holdings of Gold Vs. Stocks it is fair to take the last ten years, and compare them. When one does that the surprise is that Gold outperforms all the stock major indexes by a factor of several hundred basis points.

    Let's take for example the Nasdaq that stood at 5,000 + in 2001. The Nasdaq today is braking 1,400 ... That is actually a 30% loss in value) in the last 9 years. In the same period of time Gold went up from 300/Oz to an avergage today of 900/Oz... Or a 200% + increase in value.

    The DOW, and the S&P also come out way behind Gold 's returns due to the recent collapse in the Markets. Since October 2008 the Markets indexes have lost on the avergae 40% of their value, while Gold on the other hand has retained it's value. Gold for example was trading at 916/OZ in October, then it went down to 700/Oz , and now is back to 930/Oz.

    The numbers are facts that you can check, not inventions of mine.

    The crucial fact that a lot of people forgets when comparing investment performance is that markets almost allways have "bull runs", or "bear runs" that can last for years , and it is crucial if an investor is to make money to identify the START of a bull run and it's END.

    • Posted By: jawshoeaw @ 03/17/2009 7:12:31 AM

      10 years is not long term and cherry picking your numbers doesn't make a good argument. Gold was a crappy investment a year ago and collateralized debt options and mortgage backed securities were. Now it's the reverse. How about you pick random thirty year brackets going back a hundred years. Maybe gold was a better investment. Personally, if things are so bad that you really need gold to buy your groceries, I hate to say it but there might not be any groceries to buy. I'd rather bed dead.

  • Posted By: JPACTS @ 03/16/2009 8:58:46 PM

    Other than raising taxes :

    1) Reduce permanently 10% of the federal and state work force - those left need work harder like most workers still working are forced to do,

    2) Make all government employees INCLUDING senators, house of reps & the President /VP give up earning any more pension benefits (like most americans no longer have), INSTEAD give them a match of 50% on up 6% of their annual wage they contribute into a 403B plan - USE the TAX savings resulting from the dropping of new pension TO PROPERLY FUND SOCIAL SECURITY FOR THE TAXPES SINCE THATS 10 year from going BROKE

    3) Have the FEDERAL government stop paying 80% for federal employee families health premium - drop it to 50%,

    4) Increase the FEDERAL employee health insurance deductible to $1000 like most private employers now have,

    5) make all senators and house of representatives serve NO MORE than 2 term limits - ends the power of long term senators, etc to force senators, etc to approve EARMARKS on bills alreday released from committee

    6) Go to a flat tax Federal tax program so the IRS audits can stop (laying off 50% of that organizations tax payer supported staff)

    7) after 1st child's birth to a single mom STOP paying for single mom's child birth , offer free sterilization - more than 1/2 the baby's being born in the US now being paid for by the government (TAXPAYERS in other words) and don't give these single mom's, who are abusing the free childbirth /single mom welfare system by having child after child out of wedlock, money to support more than 1 child

    8) NO Social Security, Medicaid or Medicare benefits to ANYONE NOT A US CITIZEN even if their "citizen" child brings them into the US - as are all being done now for NON Citizens!

    9) Give the President Line Item Veto rights

    10) Give life in prison to ANY politician find guilty of any abuse of power or corruption while in office

    11) OUR prisons - lower the taxes to care for the Prisoners - no more coffee or juice, let them drink water at ALL MEALS, feed them oatmeal/toast for breakfast, peanut butter/jelly sandwiches with crackers for lunch and inexpensive stew (easy to make and serve requiring less kitchen labor) And for medicines make them pay the FULL COST of medicine - why reduce their costs out of taxpayers pockets ? I didn't unjustly put them in prison THEY BROKE the law - suffer the CONSEQUENCES


    STOP THE MADNESS


    P.S. Anyone running on the above platform will WIN any FUTURE elections, so Go for IT you TRUE AMERICANS!

  • Posted By: AnnDee3349 @ 03/16/2009 2:29:03 PM

    Please, let's not forget the history of royalty. When overthrown or conquered, kings and queens were usually murdered or exiled. All of their precious wealth was pillaged and plundered. There was no amount of treasure
    that could buy them away from that fate. I certainly hope that we have a lot more inside of us than just some pretty
    metal or sparkly jewelry. Remember, guns are worthless unless you have one in your hand in a state of surprise.

  • Posted By: CHIZMARLAN @ 03/13/2009 9:01:45 PM

    Hoarding gold.This says a lot about the intelligence of the American Investor.Gold is the most worthless damn metal on the face of the earth.You cannot name ONE significant use for gold,don't even try.

    • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/16/2009 12:07:46 PM

      You are Waaaay Out of Bounds and Out of Your Mind !!

    • Posted By: Bill Smith @ 03/16/2009 8:49:29 AM

      History and reality proves you WRONG!

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/16/2009 10:10:23 AM

    The Dollar Stopped being Backed by [[Gold]] in 1913, when Woodrow Wilson signed the [[Federal Reserve Act]] and it was a big mistake, had our Currency continued to Made by the Government and Backed by [[Gold]] Our Economy would be in Great Shape, just look at the Price of Gold. We would not have to Borrow Money from [[Communist-Socialist China]] we would be one of the Nations other than Brazil and Canada Surviving and Thriving in this Economic Down turn, but alas, the Federal Reserve, a Private Corporation, Controls and Prints our Currency and thus we are in this Financial Bind...

    If the FED had continued to have [[Gold]] to back our Currency, i would have Nothing Against the FED Printing the Money, but [[Gold]] does not back the US Dollar...

    Sorry

    Facts are Facts

    Just think, had the Federal Reserve Continued to have GOLD BACK our US Dollar, we would be in Great Shape !!

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 03/15/2009 9:57:17 PM

    My dad had a saying. "All is not gold that glitters and all is not......... that titters." I left you a word to fill in. A plural noun.

  • Posted By: AnnDee3349 @ 03/15/2009 3:29:15 PM

    II don't have any gold or lead for that matter. Hats off to those of you that do have gold and guns. I'm scared and my husband needs a liver transplant soon or he will die. I guess I'll just resort to my primitive survival skills like running and hiding and fighting for survival. I do have two things in my favor: I'm strong as a hurricane and I'm filled with love. When the time comes, I will know what to do, where to go and I can fight back like a wolverine. This is what I have. Can alll of you with your gold and lead say the same?

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 03/15/2009 9:54:44 PM

      Neither gold, lead nor liquor buy courage. It comes from inside. You've got it. Forget the gold and the lead.

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