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  • Posted By: Happy Again in the Heartland @ 03/10/2009 12:05:56 PM

    Mr. Frum, please tell me how your high minded and self righteous viewpoints are any more or less representative of the Republican Party than Rush Limbaugh???s. In doing so, you fail to recognize that you too are part of an old and obsolete view of today???s America. You act as if any form of federal spending other than Defense is just ???wrong??? because you say it is. You do not offer any new ideas on Health Care, your call for a new core principle, other than to say it should be privatized and deregulated. This refrain sounds familiar. Just do not ask anyone other than those who do not have access, or who have had the entire burden of the increased costs shifted to them, to suffer the consequences of your new programs.
    For me it is your comments about being the ???party of property owners??? that is especially offensive. I may not be a rich conservative, but I have worked hard enough to buy my own house and the five acres upon which it sits. To suggest that I cannot be a concerned environmentalist because I do not respect the rights of other property owners is another pompous assumption on your part. I too am capable of respecting my neighbors??? rights to use their property as they see fit. But not to the point where they can harm the environment around me and other neighbors just to their enjoyment and benefit.
    And I recognize many around this nation cannot afford their own homes. Does this make them any less capable of being good neighbors, or good environmentalists or even good Americans? Seems to me their used to be a provision in the Constitution that defined voters as white men over 21 who owned property. And blacks represented only 3/5th???s of a person.
    Like any good conservative, it???s not that you cannot roll time back from 2009. You just cannot roll time back all the way to 1809. You and other Republicans that are so married to your core values of high mindedness deserve Rush Limbaugh. After all, you made him and you used him. Time for a little more inconvenience I think.
    Oh, and Run, Sarah. Run.

  • Posted By: JoeCT @ 03/10/2009 11:54:10 AM

    David Frum is a douche bag. He's no better than these self-righteous know-it-all Leftists. . . that's why hes thrown in WITH the leftists by writing this propaganda piece to try to prop up his bruised ego. I say, LEVIN/LIMBAUGH 2012, EH?

  • Posted By: JoeCT @ 03/10/2009 11:53:41 AM

    David Frum is a douche bag. He's no better than these self-righteous know-it-all Leftists. . . that's why hes thrown in WITH the leftists by writing this propaganda piece to try to prop up his bruised ego. I say, LEVIN/LIMBAUGH 2012, EH?

  • Posted By: hozzman @ 03/10/2009 11:51:18 AM

    I am a moderate Democrat who despises fundamentalist thinking of any nature, religious or political. Pure black and white logic applied to any form of socio-political challenges is frought with danger---danger of nationalism, danger of fascism, danger of ignorance in the face of cold, cruel facts. I applaud Frum's enlightened stance against the misguided and overhyped views of Mr. Limbaugh. He is absolutely corrent that the challenge defines the leader and solution and not the other way around. Although it may be comforting to keep applying the same Reagenesque logic to our current fate--comforting in that it is easy and defines the challenge in a traditional context--it is far from what is required and what will work. At this moment in our nation's history, we need more enlightened conservatives like Frum to start a healthy dialogue with the Obama administration to hold overaggressive government spending in check, and to assure that the Federal investments we do make will be targeted wisely. I voted for Obama, but would feel more comfortable knowing the debt will we create for the next generation will have been worth it, and not frittered away in misguided pork or doomed business models. In the end, the voice of conservatives like Frum need to be amplified and brought front and center in the mantle of Republican idealogy so that a productive counterpoint can temper Obama's zeal. In the long run, Rush is irrelevant---and the deep thinkers of the party know that the microphone needs to be taken away so that the Republican party can find a new center and forge a new path to future leadership. If not, the Democratic thinkers wil have pulled the ultimate form of juditsu, turning Rush's sophmoric rants into the Rublican parties greatest weakness. The real question is, will the Republican party have the guts to make him irrelevant, or will they pander to adopt his shrinking soapbox?

    This challenge is not dissimilar from the world polemics surrounding Islam. The vast majority of Muslims believe in a peaceful interpretation of their religion, yet they are typecast by the vitriol and violence of the extreme minority. Will the silent majority of Islam rise up to police their own religion? Likewise, will the level-headed and forward thinking factions of the Republican party rise uo to police their own pulpit? Or will they let the narrow-minded, outdated, vitriol of Rush give the Obama adminstration a slum dunk second term?

  • Posted By: Saha @ 03/10/2009 11:50:18 AM

    I find it amusing, Mr Limbaugh is a creation of the NeoCons, and now he is helping destroy the party that the NeoCons took over.

  • Posted By: 33Greeper @ 03/10/2009 11:35:26 AM

    Rush Limbaugh is the "Randall Flagg" of the Republican Party

  • Posted By: dengel2000 @ 03/10/2009 11:15:25 AM

    You make plenty of arguments in the beginning for why you are a Republican. That's not the same as saying you are conservative.

  • Posted By: rye75 @ 03/10/2009 11:06:14 AM

    The funny thing is, as a Progressive, you constantly hear from the Conservative base that the Dems spend, spend, spend... and that we'll be "paying for generations" for the Dems' spending. But truth is, is that spending and budget deficits are NOT a party issue - they are a MODERN issue. If ANY party is to blame, look to thr Repugs... Know you history! Look for yourself...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

    Reagan put us in a HUGE hole, Clinton was starting to dig us out, but Bush put us right back in it! Now Repugs are constantly complaining about Obama's spending!?

    Rush IS wrong... and the Conservative movement DOES need to change. In a world of 6.7 billion people you can't stand still without gathering moss.

  • Posted By: JoeGaspar @ 03/10/2009 10:32:59 AM

    Observation: On his March 9 program, Limbaugh called Charles Barkley "milk dud head" in a way that suggested he was waiting to spring that line on any African-American male who has a hairless head and who happened to say something negative about Limbaugh. Limbaugh also responded to recent comments by Newt Gingrich by describing him as a typical poll-watching politician of limited durability.

    Limbaugh's summation of Gingrich proves a point about today's talk radio: The one-way monologists were quite prepared to pursue power over the elected and the free press just as soon as Fairness was out of their way. Without benefit of election, they've driven themselves as wedge between Americans and their representatives on issues like the 2007 borders issue.

    Because they are commercially driven without requirement to serve any public interest, they are free of the normal pendulum swing of conservative and liberal elections, which are the expression of the will of the people. The monologists have the opportunity and apparently the will to lie, misrepresent, project, misinform, divide, instill fear, hatred, chaos, and mistrust, and steer public opinion in any direction they wish without answer because it is legal to do so. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

    I've also noticed that some of the more hateful of the monologists don't reveal where they emanate from and they typically broadcast alone with no other persons at the location. This level of autonomy and command over hours of daily broadcasting time should alarm anyone with an eye towards best practices.

    As we have seen with a great number of industries, a little regulation is not the enemy of our economy or our democratic way of life.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 03/10/2009 10:09:34 AM

    The problem is the likes of Limbaugh and so many other Republicans, Do want Obama to fail.
    That is the only way they can claim any truth to the strange and weird dogma they preach, regardless of how destructive that dogma has proven to be to this country already.
    Limbaugh is now claiming he is an entertainer, when the reality is he is the leader of the Republican Party by default since Bush is gone.
    Limbaugh is the propagandist who keeps the uneducated and misinformed Republican base supplied with talking points, however demeaning the term ditto head might be; it is a badge of pride to these people who make up the Republican base.

  • Posted By: sixpackabs @ 03/10/2009 10:07:46 AM

    I would like for someon to tell me why minorities are so against Rush and through him... the Republican party. African Americans, Latinos, Asian, Women, Young Adults and people with incomes of less than $100,000 all overwhelming hate this guy. Why is that? There must be a reason...

  • Posted By: OhioGal @ 03/10/2009 9:19:35 AM

    For many of us, Rush is the Republican that we hear the most. I turn on the radio and there is Rush. I hear far more from him than from any other Republican and I don't like what he says. I don't like his manner and I don't like his words. He reminds me of a playground bully. Always calling people names and trying to knock them down and that is really what I associate with the Republican party. That and the total hypocrisy. The Republican party that spent us into a trillion dollar deficit when times were good is suddenly overly concerned about that deficit when times are terrible. What hypocrits. Rush being the formost and loudest of the hypocrits, he is the one who gets our attention.

    • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 03/10/2009 10:06:20 AM

      Please go back and look at the historical record and note that Bush did sell out to the notion of big spending; but he did so in the context of 9/11 and the creation of the Homeland Security, the TSA monstrosity, Katrina, and, obviously the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq...and, yes, I fully realize that most know claim they were against. And, also please remember that it was a Democratically controlled Congress the last two years, and minimal Republican majority before than....and that the Dems BLASTED Bush for NOT SPENDING MORE! They were in the media day after day claiming that more was needed for everything under the sun. So though fashionable on this thread to us But Bush Did It or that Rush Is Mean as an excuse for Obama and the Democratically controlled Congress to just do what they wish and spend any amount they want is only repeating the mistakes again.

  • Posted By: OhioGal @ 03/10/2009 9:53:33 AM

    Republicans like David Frum give me hope for the Republican party. I used to be a Republican but would be embaressed to identify myself that way today.

  • Posted By: noaxe397 @ 03/10/2009 9:30:46 AM

    Defense secretary Gates, a Bush appointee, recently stated the global economic crisis is a greater threat to America's national security than Islamic terrorism. Gates is not a wild eyed liberal, last I checked. For any Republican to speak out against anything Obama is trying to do to save the US economy, and, by extension, the world economy, is siding with the terrorists and against our national security interests and against our brave troops engaged in war in two countries.
    The Republicans, and Limbaugh are the perfect example of this. They want not for Obama to fail, but for America to fail. They hate all America stands for and all that makes her great. It is time to invoke the Patriot Act against all those on the right who want to nuke Chicago (John Bolton) or see Obama fail (Limbaugh) or conspire against the economic and national security of the nation by insuring "crib death" for Obama's plans (numerous Republicans.)

    • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 03/10/2009 9:50:07 AM

      So we are all just supposed to shut up and jump off the financial bridge together in hopes that a minimally experienced, community organizer KNOWS the best way out of this mess? Yeah...sure. Take off your Obama Vision goggles as well as your Everything Associated With Republicans Is Evil suit of armor and just look at the numbers. At this point, arguing what Bush AND Congress spent beforehand...however drunken sailorish it was...and it was; makes no difference to what we are being asked to spend NOW. And now, 4-7 Trillion Dollars of more debt is wildly insane! Spending some on road, bridges, and alike fine...but this spending package goes so far beyond that it should stir ALL citizens, regardless of Party to cry out to STOP.

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  • Posted By: jcpetz @ 03/10/2009 9:25:21 AM

    Limbaugh is leading the GOP into the abyss. Why in God's name would a major political party want a thrice-divorced, ex-drug addict with racist tendencies to be the de facto party leader? Women absolutely detest this guy. He may have a ton of money, but what Limbaugh wants now is power and recognition as a major political force beyond his base. He will not succeed.

  • Posted By: BucknerBirdDog @ 03/10/2009 9:22:06 AM

    You can't compromise core principles to try to attract "today's voters". A centrist candidate (McCain) just lost to a leftist who thinks the country should be run like a social experiment in a liberal think tank. Conservatives must stay true to what they believe, with faith in the American people to eventually right the ship at the polls. If the country sinks into a liberal hole, so be it, just don't be willing accomplices.

  • Posted By: Khirad @ 03/10/2009 7:49:33 AM

    As one of those whom turned 20 in 2000, I feel a little trivial validation from Mr. Frum's keen observation. And as one of those who will be voting Democratic (or at least Progressive) until the day I die, I will add a little advice to the GOP -- in good faith. You are so out of touch. I would be more than happy that we continued to clean your clocks in elections (to paraphrase a special someone), but among my generation, even the conservative friends I grew up with have a much different view of gay issues, environmental issues, and yes, even religion (as the most recent survey portends). The GOP, as with conservative movements in general should be expected to take a more traditional stance - that is your rightful place in the back-and-forth equilibrium of our two-party system. But, if you don't start modeling yourselves at least in small part after the Tory's of Canada and the UK (à la David Cameron), or Christian Democrats of Europe (yes, I know, the very word 'Europe' is a nasty epithet used to shut down rational debate in some far-right, xenophobic circles) - your party is doomed to the black helicopter/dinosaurs roamed in Eden fringe - and could ossify completely and go the way of other dead fossils like the Federalist Party; if it does not reform itself or return to a more socially and fiscally rational conservatism. --Much the same way the oldest American political party has itself drastically (and painfully) evolved through two centuries. At this point in time, the Republican Party (notice that I have no need to resort to pejorative, grammatically incorrect usage of another party's self-identified proper noun -- some of us have a modicum of class) needs to meet the 21st century head on, and stop looking backwards. Otherwise, I must say, I might one day be telling the grandkids about this party that used to exist, now in the dustbin of time, just like the Whigs. And... I must say (reluctantly), that I might one day in the distant future even become wistful for those days when we had a worthy foe to parry with.

    • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 03/10/2009 8:42:36 AM

      Your eloquence is at odds with your irrational loyalty to the Democratic Party for who you attribute far more credit than history would suggest that they deserve. You also naively fall into the "forward thinking" mantra of Obama Vision. That is, that from this day forward, the rules somehow change; that people and motives change; and that if one breaks from "history" one can escape its lessons. In fact, its the very reluctance of the rabid fringe of Obama supporters to see that today's populist proposals and ramp-up of government (along with the fueling of class warfare) are very old ideas that have tried repeatedly throughout our history in the US as well as your beloved European models...and always with similar dismal results.

  • Posted By: clouco @ 03/10/2009 8:35:35 AM

    Newsweek is all wrong on Rush Limbaugh. Rush is right; Newsweek is wrong. Rush knows whats going on and logically explains it. Thankyou for elevating him to such importance. Now he has more listeners than ever; like me. I am a new listener to Rush and find him refreshing and entertaining and he has awakened me on many issues especially the failing path of Obama and his rag tag party of wierdos and special interests.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/10/2009 7:19:13 AM

    Rush has supposedly [[20 Million Listeners]]

    America Consist of 300 Million and Counting....

    The Majority, Can't Stand or Could care less about what he Says.

    Limbaugh and his Operation Chaos was a [[Joke]] and it Failed !!

    Obama Won... BIG !!!

    Limbaugh has 20 Million Listeners and Supposed Voters ?

    Keep in Mind, not all of the [[Fat Boys]] Listeners Agree with him.

    I've listened to him, from time to time and he had no Effect on my Decision to Vote on voting for McCain-Palin..

    As a Matter of Fact, just Listening to His Fat A!! it made me Vote Obama-Biden, even.... MORE !!

    His Rhetoric of Fear & Hate Mongering, was a Desperate Call, to Keep the White House White and it was a Sad and Pitiful Display...

    Just Look at the Outcome...

    McCain-Palin could not Garner 200 Electoral Votes in a Majority White Society...

    Limbaugh's Audience are the Lowest Leveled in their Thinking.

    Limbaugh Demographics: The South, The Midwest, Rural South, Mountainous Regions of the Country, The Ozarks and Appalachian Regions of the Nation and that is why the [[Electoral Math Revealed]] !!

    Limbaugh can Gin that Base for All Times....

    Limbaugh's Influence cannot Go Beyond these Regions or Groups....

    Let him have those [[Demographics]]

    The Fat Boy... Deserves them and They Deserve..... His Fat A!!

    Note: Even though McCain Won Texas, Obama Garnered OVER 3 Million Votes...

    McCain Garnered a Million and Half More Votes, still, I was Surprised Obama Won OVER 3 Million Votes in Texas

    Limbaugh and his Listeners are Juiced on Fear, Hate, Dread, Doom and Gloom, Lost in the Reagan Era.

    Where was this Fear and hate During the Bush Years, You have to ask Yourselves ?

  • Posted By: freedomIndia @ 03/10/2009 7:16:18 AM

    Where were your "conservative" views when Bush & Cheney were running flat out to spend more dollars than the Fed could print?
    Where were you when Bush & Cheney thought that cutting taxes for the wealthiest AND fighting two wars were the most brilliant choices?
    Hypocrite.
    The Republicans SHOULD never rise up again. Ever.
    Until Republicans lose every single seat on Senate and Congress and beg the people for mercy and put Bush on trial, people will never vote for you neocon idiots once more.

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