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  • Posted By: xmissile @ 03/08/2009 11:54:29 PM

    The GOP has been hijacked. It is a caucasian-only party with few young people. It is owned by Evangelicals. It is widely perceived as having started two simultaneous wars while wrecking the economy. People think that is self-serving and caters to the rich. Anti-gay, anti-environment, strongly anti-abortion, a hateful, cynical party with lots of criticisms but no ideas. Sadly, the list goes on. I don't believe it is salvageable in its current form.

    The best thing that could happen to the GOP is for the moderates to part ways and form a new party with a new charter and a fresh, new face. I like the idea of fiscal conservativism and embracing environmentalism. If we're going to truly tackle health care, we need some innovative ideas. Count me in and I'm sure we could reclaim hordes of nascent Democrat converts.

    Honestly, this would be best for the country as a whole.

  • Posted By: johndog @ 03/08/2009 11:54:03 PM

    Why Frum is Dumb:

    This whole thing is a distraction created by the Obama Administration. It has nothing to do with the state of the Republican party or its leadership. It's just more Alinsky-style tactics by the Obama team. If you're really a Conservative (highly doubt it), then you should be pointing out that this is a non-issue. The country has real problems, and the White House is spending its time talking about Rush Limbaugh? There's your story!

    Also, notice how the boards at Newsweek, Politco, The New York Times, and many other popular sites are littered with knee-jerk comments to deride the Republican party, and extol the virtues of Obama. It is no coincidence. These are an army of Alinsky-style trained Obama people who are sent here to manipulate the public dialogue, and it's time that someone outed them!

    Read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", and you will see through every tactic of this Administration, and his hired hands who post on sites like this.

  • Posted By: Beer @ 03/08/2009 8:47:23 PM

    Why don't you post my comments you republican son of a bitch

    • Posted By: hopey dopey @ 03/08/2009 11:54:03 PM

      Either you comment are being posted or I'm hallucinating again.

  • Posted By: CEnglish @ 03/08/2009 12:04:24 PM

    I'm not surprised at this split. I used to be a PC conservative here in Canada until the socially repressive and regulatory liberal policies of the religious/neo-conservative movement killed any interest. I'm more worried about a Madoff stealing my life savings or Monsanto becoming a food monopoly than I am about a couple of married gay friends harmlessly smoking up at a party.

    The root cause of this seems to be a fundamental difference in the evolved mindsets. Jonathan Haidt has done some wonderful working in studying this phenomenon as can be seen at his TEDTalk discussion: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

    He found that the more conservative one is, the more one puts importance on group loyalty and obedience to authority, even if it means doing harm. Liberals think opposite, that such mindsets lead to racism, nationalism, and authoritarianism. Conservatives tend to think that without group loyalty and obeying authority, societies would break down. Both are valid points, but it's not binary. Finding the balance is key. However, centrists are less noisy and the plurality voting system naturally forces a two party system towards the extremes.

    Why these mindsets would evolve lies in Game Theory. The Iterated Prisoner???s Dilemma represents many transactions in which groups of people have the option to cooperate or turn on each other. Cooperating gives a moderate reward to everybody, but individual defectors can gain more in the short run. If everybody defects, they get nothing.

    There are two solutions that maximize success. The first is "tit-for-tat" which is to be nice until somebody does you wrong. It's the "social contract' version of interaction which is very much the liberal mindset. This strategy maximizes group success and is seen in animals with large social group structures. The other is the "beehive" strategy in which an individual leader finds a group to sacrifice themselves for his personal good. It maximizes success of the leader, but not of the group unless the group is closely related (such as bees). This is a very authoritarian, in-group loyalty strategy. Considering humans evolved from family-based tribes it is not surprising that it is an evolved mindset, though less relevant to larger and more diverse societies.

    It is then not surprising that the extremist left seem to be in somewhat leaderless groups with little actual power (e.g., activists) and extremist right tend to be individual leaders with a cult following, and view anyone disagreeing as being disloyal. That can apply to liberals being unpatriotic for criticizing Bush, or to moderate conservatives for being RINOs.

    My best guess on a solution is election reform. The plurality system that forces two parties and rewards extreme polarizing. Condorcet voting picks the winner that best matches the overall views of the public which tends to average towards the center.

    • Posted By: hopey dopey @ 03/08/2009 9:14:50 PM

      "My best guess on a solution is election reform"
      My best guess on a solution is bomb canada.

      • Posted By: snippywshrub @ 03/08/2009 9:20:44 PM

        How very republican.

        • Posted By: hopey dopey @ 03/08/2009 11:47:08 PM

          how very humorless.

  • Posted By: eulace @ 03/08/2009 9:12:13 PM

    I think all Republicans should be forced to serve two-years of military service......then the lazy, greedy, fat slobs....might stop idolizing low I.Q. Limbaugh....

    • Posted By: hopey dopey @ 03/08/2009 11:41:55 PM

      I think eulace should be forced to live under a bridge with jarcher1

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 03/08/2009 9:49:28 PM

      Plus one year of living under a bridge.

  • Posted By: Jtry1 @ 03/08/2009 11:36:59 PM

    I have been a Democrat since birth. However, with age I have ran towards the center abandoning some of my donkey roots and at times injecting myself with some Conservative essence. However, after these past eight years I have back tracked my steps and remained with the blue folks momentarily for fear that some conservatives have lost their touch. Along comes Mr. David Frum and I am again reassured of the GOP's success. Should the rest of the GOP follow Mr. Frum accept the type of change he suggest for the party, I am certain that the GOP will regain the college, walmart, minority vote once again. By the way, I am a 22 year old Hispanic with a bachelors in accounting and i oppose huge government spending.

  • Posted By: Jtry1 @ 03/08/2009 11:36:35 PM

    I have been a Democrat since birth. However, with age I have ran towards the center abandoning some of my donkey roots and at times injecting myself with some Conservative essence. However, after these past eight years I have back tracked my steps and remained with the blue folks momentarily for fear that some conservatives have lost their touch. Along comes Mr. David Frum and I am again reassured of the GOP's success. Should the rest of the GOP follow Mr. Frum accept the type of change he suggest for the party, I am certain that the GOP will regain the college, walmart, minority vote once again. By the way, I am a 22 year old Hispanic with a bachelors in accounting and i oppose huge government spending.

  • Posted By: Bad Dog @ 03/08/2009 11:15:41 PM

    I think the media in general puts way too much emphasis on Rush and the comments he makes. As an independent voter and one who may hear 30 to 40 minutes in a one year time period of Rush, you can easily see he is no leader of the Repubs and is strictly an entertainer for his own fortunes! That being said: I have noticed that as a nation we have become far more divided since Nov. 2008, our stock markets have declined considerably and we now hear of doom and gloom rather than the rally cries during the campaign of Change and Hope. If the only thing that can come from all the minutes Rush speaks about during a year is somehow centered around racisms, I believe David Frum could have said the same regarding Michelle Obama when reading her Princeton thesis and her comment:
    Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my
    mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow
    obligated to this community and would utilize all of my
    present and future resources to benefit this community first
    and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far
    more aware of my ???Blackness??? than ever before.
    http://obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com/
    I believe Frum knows full well it???s articles regarding conservatives as he has written that could perpetuate continued divisions amongst neighbors, families, co-workers etc. that in no way benefits this country. If we are going to become a one party nation and toss out the checks and balances of our current system that our success was founded on, I will resign now, collect my means from our governments and accept now we ALL can live off the welfare system.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 03/08/2009 11:21:26 PM

      "I think the media in general puts way too much emphasis on Rush and the comments he makes."

      No. His fans do.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 03/08/2009 11:19:07 PM

  • Posted By: Grkent @ 03/08/2009 12:58:05 PM

    Why David Frum is wrong...

    Mr. Frum fails to understand that we are precisely where we are because of conservative policies run amok. While he complains that liberal policies are being enacted with "hardly a debate" republican (not conservative, but republican) policies were enacted with no debate.

    Democrats let republicans do whatever they wanted for the last 8 years and the deregulation has brought us to our knees. Every day there is news of yet another corrupt CEO or businessman. And these felons continually get away with whatever they've done.

    If there are any ethical republicans left I haven't seen one. Morally they are bankrupt -- even as their bank accounts soar. Frum doesn't want to help the middle class at all -- he doesn't want the policies that got us where we are to change in the least. What he wants is to figure out a new way to deliver the same message. He doesn't like Rush's bombastic approach, but he also says he doesn't think he disagrees in many places with the policies that Rush admires.

    Frum is a dangerous man. He doesn't believe that the middle class has been brought far enough to its knees or that the wealthy are wealthy enough.

    Read his words carefully. He wants more of the same that we've had from the previous Bush administration. He doesn't think Harriet Miers was a bad choice or that Katrina and Iraq were failures. He simply bemoans the way in which they were sold to the American public.

    Mr. Frum doesn't want to change anything accept the smiling face of Rush Limbaugh on the Mount Rushmore of the republican party.



    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/08/2009 1:00:01 PM

      I think this post is completely unfair to Mr. Frum as well as those Republicans with honor who ARE out there, personally. They're being shouted out people like Rush.

      • Posted By: Grkent @ 03/08/2009 10:59:15 PM

        I honestly didn't think any republican could be honest enough to see past preconceived biases and Mr Vigilance proves me right.

      • Posted By: tom in Montague @ 03/08/2009 11:13:06 PM

        I have to disagree with you on a few things, nothing happens in a vacuum, and Bushg signed the bills that were for the most part passed with bipartisan support. Bush was a doofus thoug and a good scapegoat to get the Dems into office. There is more than enough blame to go around here. When did the Dems get a majority, was it 04 or 06. Remember last years budget was the largest ever, 1.8 trillion defecit for the year, no Dems to blame at all on that? I was so disgusted with both parties I voted Libertarian in the Pres election! My belief is that free trade is only free to our trading partners (we pay tariffs up to 50% in some cases-they pay none). Over the last 8 years-both parties did nothing while 1/6th of all manufacturing jobs disappeared, is this the free trade Friedman envisioned? I would say no yet we stick to it. I wasn't educated in an Ivy league school, what do I know, by the way how are their theories doing now? Take care, I used to be Republican as I saw the Grace Commission report in the early 80's when our debt was 600Billio-now it is 10.8 TRILLION!!!!! This blame each other party except mine has to stop-we need to hold both sides to account!

  • Posted By: Eldad Protonasalpassage @ 03/08/2009 11:20:29 PM

    But he cannot be allowed to be the public face of the enterprise???and we have to find ways of assuring the public that he is just one Republican voice among many, and very far from the most important.

    Let me know how that works for you, David. Who is the "we" we are talking about here? The Republican Party leadership that can't seem to dislodge their faces from Rush's posterior? The Party that nominated and celebrated Sarah Palin and put Joe the Plumber forward as a campaign prop? The reality is that Rush is, in fact, the de facto leader of the Republican party. For better or worse, those are the depths to which the Republicans have sunk.

  • Posted By: ThinkingItThrough @ 03/08/2009 11:18:24 PM

    I am a 44 yr old female who has believed in, and voted Republican since I was 20 yrs old. (at 18-19 I voted Democrat because their sales pitch was convincing... until I watched it in action.) I have listened to Limbaugh for years and agree with some of his positions. I have recently (over the last couple of years) found him to be loud, offensive for the purpose of feathering his own nest and meeting his own needs for attention, and very divicive.

    I think that this article is excellently written and is dead on the money... no pun intended. In my opiinion, this article is the single most accurate short summary assesment of the entire recent political landscape without extreme negativity, (either side), or positioned for any individuals personal gain.

    I applaud the author! Well done in making some very valid points, seeing through the bull puckey that 'commentators' or laying on thick and keeping yourself above the fray. Sicerely, THANK YOU!

  • Posted By: 110010 @ 03/08/2009 11:07:19 PM

    What the hell happened to Frum? He's got it completely wrong.

  • Posted By: jwilloughby @ 03/08/2009 11:06:09 PM

    Well-said, Mr. Frum. Pride goes before a fall because it distorts a person's self-awareness to the point they eventually seriously err in their judgment. Mr. Limbaugh, I fear, has fallen into the trap of self-deception. Humility is the proper view of oneself. Mr. Limbaugh can either humble himself and adjust or the day will come wihen he will be humbled. It is always better to humble oneself rather than be humbled. President Reagan earned the right to be heard because he knew who he was and what he believed, and he spoke with a conviction that arose from his strength of character. We listened to him because not only did he make a lot of sense, we also knew that at the core, he was real. Do not despair, there are more of these men and women of character, humility, strength and resolve who are quietly preparing while they wait in the wings. One day, they will emerge onto the national stage with a message of hope and the leadership qualities necessary to lift the United States of America beyond the self pity that threatens us to the reaching of our potential we all know is there. I believe... our best days are ahead of us.

  • Posted By: msmerlin @ 03/08/2009 1:23:11 PM

    Wow, Rush Limbaugh, you are so awesome!! He understands everything and is the smartest guy on the planet. Rush would solve all this economic stuff in a matter of minutes. Rush, I hope you get elected President next time. With you in office, the USA would finally have a leader who is truly worthy of our great country. The Democrats are just jealous that they have no one like Rush on their side. Rush will even make being fat the new "in" thing! The only people that would piss off would be the diet industry, but I know he could bring them around with no problem. Rush could get more drugs legalized too, and for people who are in pain, that would take their pain away. Go, Rush! You ROCK and you are awesome!!! I just love to hear you put everyone in their place. The liberals don't stand a chance with you as our party leader and hopefully our country's leader in 2012!!!

    • Posted By: christophr2 @ 03/08/2009 1:33:09 PM

      Cool! And then we can put all the gays, women, abortionists, Mexicans and blacks in jail and that will solve everything! Yeah, you GO Rush! Except, who will be doing all the work? And who's gonna do all the interior decorating for the White House? And, we're going to have to triple our prison bed increase to 1200 a month! The question is who is NOT going to be in jail? (Just in case someone doesn't GET it, I'm being sarcastic, 'cus I'm so Rush like that.)

      • Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 03/08/2009 1:42:37 PM

        why can't we just put 3 prisoners in each bed?

        • Posted By: christophr2 @ 03/08/2009 1:51:11 PM

          As long as their white, though. I mean, I'm shocked that Frum won't admit that Rush and his followers are racist, bigoted, misogynistic, secessionists. Obama is their worst nightmare, because he is successful without being any of those things. He has integrity.

          • Posted By: hopey dopey @ 03/08/2009 7:43:58 PM

            christophr2 is so filled with hate for his fellow americans.
            What in his personal life could have caused such anger?

            • Posted By: ritwingr @ 03/08/2009 7:48:27 PM

              It's less hate than just mindless regurgitation of what other people tell him. Read carefully and you'll notice people who talk about what a "racist" is never cite an example. They don't listen to him. But all the people on the View, or Kay Couric, of Bill Maher or whatever media dimwit they listen to tells them Rush is racist and they lap it up.

              Notice too all the hatred for "WHITE MALES!" As if it's positively evil to be a WHITE MALE. I'm a white male, and rather proud of that...see no reason to be ashamed of it anyway.

              Ed

              • Posted By: tmsassan @ 03/08/2009 8:04:17 PM

                As a white male, I can attest to the fact that Rush is a racist and a bigot. Like most of the information that the Republicans on this forum choose to ignore, the infomation is easy accessible in seconds. Of couse, actually *thinking* and *learning* are actions outside of their realm. Wake up and educate youself you ignorant fool.

                • Posted By: hopey dopey @ 03/08/2009 11:05:18 PM

                  As a person of color I don't see it.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 03/08/2009 10:00:53 PM

            To Christophr 2. Intregrity? Hummm.....interesting....Would you happen to know where he's keeping it hidden? Some of us would like to see it. Chris, I believe in dealing in facts, not guessing games, and so far, many of us have been seeing promises, but no facts to back them up, and yes, we realize he has not been in office very long, and all about giving him a chance, ect, which we are more than willing to do, but many of us are appalled that the rules which have always applied in order to become president of the U.S.A. seemed to have been bent or completely ignored in this election. We have a big question mark there. We want answers. We, the people, deserve answers. Don't talk to me about integrity until we get those answers.

  • Posted By: Chico DeMadre @ 03/08/2009 10:14:13 PM

    David Duke didn't run as a Democrat

    • Posted By: hopey dopey @ 03/08/2009 11:02:55 PM

      Robert Byrd and Nick Rahal do.

  • Posted By: tom in Montague @ 03/08/2009 11:00:18 PM

    What gets me, is the fact that the Republicans who were in power, who were for the most part voted in under the promises of Newt Gingrich in the early 90's, have largely abandoned those principles. That is the reason that Rush is popular numbnuts! Big government is not supposed to be the conservative way but, the Republicans have seemed to adopt the just not as big mantra. If you notice, Rush was speaking at CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Committee. They just happen to support Republicans because they more resemble Conservative ideals! That is what Rush is a leader of-I hope you get it. His main message has been conservatism and Republican ideals have an aspect of Conservatism, but Conservatism is not a reflection of Republican ideals. Why, because elements of the party do seem to have an addiction to big spending. The Republican leadership needs to understand this and start to address the fiscal responsibility side of things before more of us decide to vote Libertarian in the future as they are definitley more fiscally conservative.

  • Posted By: The Republicrat @ 03/08/2009 10:56:52 PM

    Great article and spot on. The Republican party has moved to far right and its' position on some issues needs modified. They need to be more open minded on issues like abortion, health care and welfare if they are to win the votes and retake the White House, Coingress and Senate. At least in power they are in a better position to influence the direction of the country and keep it in the somewhat conservative camp. If for no other reason than to stop the damn gloating of the liberal left...

  • Posted By: 12-horses @ 03/08/2009 10:52:54 PM

    As a person who has voted mostly for Democrats since 1962, I hope Rush keeps up his hate filled tirades. That is just what we need to pick up another 5 or 6 senate seats in a couple of years. Personally I just don't see how any person with any ability to do any research or critical thinking can ever agree with Rush. He makes up facts, invents studies, has absolutly no scientific background, of even a basic knowledge of the Bible even though he claims his talent is on loan from God. Which God, I know not. As for the "Stepford Husbands" that follow him blindly? What can I say. Keep up the good work Rush. Every day you convert more Independants to Democrats.

  • Posted By: gwbdcdr @ 03/08/2009 10:46:41 PM

    Obama = Hitler. The left has full control of the media. This is what happens when a private citizen uses his 1st aendment to criticize Obama.

    • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 03/08/2009 10:50:56 PM

      C'mon GW, I didn't vote for Obama, but he isn't Hitler. Geezz....

    • Posted By: Shanshayla @ 03/08/2009 10:49:17 PM

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