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  • Posted By: Emarie @ 03/11/2009 1:24:08 PM

    I hope that Wild wins whatever the top prizes are for her troop. It was a smart, clever idea. I wouldn't call it an unfair advantage. As a former girl scout, it was those whose parents worked at large companies that had an unfair advantage. Everybody knows the parents sell cookies for their kids. I haven't seen a girl scout in years, but we still get a few boxes of cookies every year from some parents.

    My least favorite thing we had to sell in girl scouts were calendars. I have no idea if they still do that but realistically the only people whoever bought them were relatives, people that felt sorry for the girl going door to door and people that liked little girls...

    • Posted By: sue3379 @ 03/11/2009 4:17:25 PM

      She cheated! I hope they don't credit her for the sales.

    • Posted By: Wilma123 @ 03/11/2009 3:51:56 PM

      How exactly do we explain to our daughters in the troop (who had the same idea and were told it was not allowed ) why she got the top prizes? "Sorry honey, the top prizes are for the girls who disobey the council...maybe we can cheat next year now that we know it's really ok>"

  • Posted By: Ogre1969 @ 03/11/2009 4:07:18 PM

    If the girls are selling to benefit their whole pack, then what's the problem. I dont cry that the mechanic I just paid $300 to for a 10 minute repair is unfair. There was a means and proven way to accomplish the goal. Its called sales folks. Next time you cry that someone has an unfair advantage, think about the mechanics out there. Knowledge is power!

    • Posted By: teekay @ 03/11/2009 4:16:22 PM

      At the beginning of each year the girls in our troop would discuss how they would like to use the profits from their cookie sale. They earn it so they get to decide how it got spent. One year they decided they wanted to go to Schlitterbahn in San Antonio. They calculated all the expenses and figured out how many boxes they would each have to fund the trip. When you provide goals and iincentives (not the ones given out by council which are generally stuff you can get at a Dollar Store) you teach the girls about the rewards of hard work. They ONLY way they could have done this is by working together as a team.

  • Posted By: TheOldSoldier @ 03/11/2009 12:01:15 PM

    Frankly, I'm more worried about some man's fanatical involvement with Girl Scouts long after his own daughters have moved on.

    • Posted By: delkey1 @ 03/11/2009 1:22:35 PM

      My question is why is it fanatical because he is a man? Many woman become lifelong Girl Scouts supporting the organization long after their children are grown. Many women remain involved in Boy Scouts long after their sons have moved on...I think it is commendable that he would be willing to support children's projects after his children are grown. I disagree with his stand on this issue but don't find him fanatical.

      • Posted By: sue3379 @ 03/11/2009 4:16:16 PM

        As someone who has been a leader for 7 years, I think it's great to see a man interested in Girl Scouts. I hardly ever see the girls Dads.

      • Posted By: Wilma123 @ 03/11/2009 3:48:36 PM

        I agree. We have many grown women who continue to be leaders with no kids and we benefit form their experience and commitment. This is flat out sexism.

    • Posted By: smarty_20009 @ 03/11/2009 12:40:21 PM

      Thank God I'm not the only one to find that little tidbit to be the real concern of this article.

  • Posted By: jtadlock @ 03/11/2009 1:17:10 PM

    Isn't this really just about "PARENTS" being upset over the fact that someone else is going to outsell their daughter, or the fact that their daughter did not come up with this idea first. This is the reason I never let my daughter be a part of the Girls Scouts. They say they are teaching them to be leaders, well then let them lead. I think it was a great idea. She still has to deliver the cookies and collect the money in person does'nt she? Well then what's the problem.

    • Posted By: laughingmom34 @ 03/11/2009 4:16:11 PM

      I agree completely!

    • Posted By: sue3379 @ 03/11/2009 4:13:01 PM

      If she wants to become a leader then she should have led her troop on a mission to change the rules NOT break them.

    • Posted By: Wilma123 @ 03/11/2009 3:43:28 PM

      The problem is that everyone else who came up with this idea and were told it was against policy decided to teach their kids that they cannot break rules just because they don't like them. It would suck for everyone else if GS would have allowed her to do something that they told us all we could not do. This is a very simple issue - it is scary statement on society that people don't understand the simple concept that it is not ok to cheat to get ahead. If this many adults can't understand this, there is not hope for the kids. I couldn't care less how many cookies my daughter sold. She wanted to earn enough to go to camp so that is where she set her goal. It is the most immature of all arguments to say "they are just jealous" to justify something wrong.

      • Posted By: Ranos @ 03/11/2009 3:57:39 PM

        It is people like Wild and her father that bring attention to problems. This rule was made without thinking. Rather than embracing the internet and the potential it has to sell more Girl Scout Cookies thus briging more money to the Girl Scouts, they only look at one small piece of the pie and say it's wrong or unfair. Look at the big picture. change the rule to allow cookies to be sold, or at least ordered, over the internet. If they are still insisting on fairness, make each site for the troop instead of just an individual girl.

      • Posted By: Compmine @ 03/11/2009 3:50:45 PM

  • Posted By: wshs78 @ 03/11/2009 4:15:46 PM

    ok let me try this again, - i think what that young lady did was great and she should not be ridculed for an idea that everyone has. She set a goal and set out to obtain it, this is something many of our young people do not understand or do and her goal was not for her but for her troop. If the problem lies with parents over prizes being awarded to an indiividual, then perhaps is should be changed to be awarded to the troop as one. I see no more of a danger for selling over the internet (monitored by her parents) then going door to door - think about it. Her parents will be with her for deliver and i saw nothing in the video to indicate her home address/phone number etc.. again no worse then door to door. There is so much to say about this but not enought space.

  • Posted By: abcorno @ 03/11/2009 4:10:53 PM

    Every girl should share their sales with the others. That way no one sells more than the other and no one feels bad. We need to promote equality. Its not fair that one girl thinks outside the box and sells more than the others and can get better prizes. That evil girl... Just like my kids soccer games that they don't keep score so there isn't a clear winner or loser. We don't want to harm the children. It's all for the children.

    • Posted By: poinie @ 03/11/2009 4:15:00 PM

      You just called a little girl EVIL . . . how is that not harming children?

    • Posted By: laughingmom34 @ 03/11/2009 4:14:01 PM

  • Posted By: bonusbaby45 @ 03/11/2009 3:21:43 PM

    The days of Girl Scouts going door to door are gone. It is no longer safe for girls (alone or in groups) to simply knock on doors and sell cookies. You don't know if the person behind that door has a gun or is a child predator. If the Scouts wanted to use the Internet to sell cookies, have the local chapter set up the website. People could order cookies and the chapter could forward the order to the closest troop. The troop leader could help the girls deliver the cookies. The Girl Scouts don't say a word when parents of Scouts take the pre-order sheets to their place of employment and sell cookies for their daughters. What is that teaching the girls?

    • Posted By: Razgrizz @ 03/11/2009 3:44:17 PM

      Oh please, they are going to be safe if they go in groups or if (omg maybe a responsible parent goes with them). Stop watching the news all of the time, it causes people to freak out when they hear a kid was kidnapped. The crime levels for things like this were the same 60 years ago, but people were never paranoid because it was not reported on the news and parents would let there kids outside and not coupe them up in the house thinking there is always a bad man ready to take them away all the time. They reported on the positive things back then, now all they do is report on the negative things which makes everyone feel like they live in a horrible place.

      I apologize for ranting or raving, but it drives me nuts when all I hear is people over worrying about this kind of stuff.

      • Posted By: Ranos @ 03/11/2009 4:14:05 PM

        Before you post something like this, do your homework. Crime has continued to increase over the past 40 years. People have a right to be concerned about their children. It's the parents who let their eight year old wonder all over town without supervision that cause these problems. The responsible parents who go with their kids are the ones who prevent problems. It would be nice if more people worried over it, then the crime rates would go down.

  • Posted By: kapauldo @ 03/11/2009 4:13:29 PM

    (linkback) Yes or No? Should the Girl Scouts lift their ban on online sales? [VOTE] - http://www.pikk.com/980a7

  • Posted By: laughingmom34 @ 03/11/2009 4:12:57 PM

    I am a Girl Scout leader and have been for almost 7 years now. I would EMBRACE a change to this policy, as I feel it's outdated and is lagging behind other organizations in selling processes. While I don't think online sales should be the only means of selling, I certainly think that in this day and age, it should be utilized. I think Markie has too much free time on his hands - maybe he should take an internet sales class! =)

  • Posted By: u028021 @ 03/11/2009 4:12:15 PM

    As my daughters' Borwnie Troop leader and the cookie mom two years in a row - I think the Girl Scouts did the right thing with this particular Brownie. If the ENTIRE troop was only selling online, I would feel differently, but what she did was extremely unfair even if it was inventive. I have seen many times where a parent who has a store, sets up the order sheet and every customer who comes in buys some cookies, great from the cookie selling standpoint, but it doesn't teach her daughter one single thing about persistence and hard work! Same goes for parents who tape the order sheet to their office door. I spent many a night exhausted after work driving my daughter from house to house while she booked her cookie orders. She followed all the rules, and still came out close to the top one year, and the top seller the next year - (very few relatives were involved btw). Isn't this country in the pickle it's in because of how many folks in Banking and Investment Banking, Mortgages and such DIDN'T follow the rules.

    I think some of these posters have been brainwashed. The ends doesn't justify the means every time.

  • Posted By: wshs78 @ 03/11/2009 4:09:21 PM

    Both my daughters were Girl Scouts and I was a leader for many years and the hardest part is selling cookies because all of the Girl Scouts sell them. I think what Freedom did was wonderful and that she was trying to achieve a goal which many of our young people do not understand. Her goal was not for herself but for the troop as a whole. If other parents are worried because of special prizes etc.. then perhaps prizes should not be awarded to individuals but to the troop as one.

  • Posted By: histybuf @ 03/11/2009 4:05:47 PM

    While selling on the internet may seem like a great idea, I also understand that with all the weirdos out there they may promise to buy cookies with other things in mind. Plus, if she was going to deliver the cookies in person, it would open up an opportunity that might end badly.

  • Posted By: OleBlue @ 03/11/2009 4:03:58 PM

    THis just goes to the overall downfall of our country. We give all kids trophies for being losers. We tell them they are all winners over and over even when they are not. Last we love to destroy the real go getters in our contry. One day they will ask little girls like this to help our country. I hope she will still have the ability to do so after our society has spent her life telling her to keep it fair and help the weaklings. http://dandickerson.wordpress.com/

  • Posted By: cheriomoo @ 03/11/2009 4:00:17 PM

    When I was a girl scout in middle school and high school i was part of an entrepreneurial cookie sales business called Cookies and Dough (in the Boston area). We had a very successful website that sold thousands of boxes every year. It was shut down and the explanation was that online cookie sales are banned in order to protect girls from predators who would easily be able to target a girl selling cookies on their own. Even though our web store had absolutely no interaction with customers, instead of regulating each individual website, the Girl Scouts just bans any website in order to protect all girls. Even though I was about 13 or 14 when our site was shut down, it made perfect sense to me, no amount of cookie money is worth a girl getting hurt. We also still were able to continue running a successful business, selling to people all over the world(We would send hundreds of boxes to US embassies), using a phone number (1-800-33-MINTS) and a fax and mail-order system, as well as more traditional booths. All accounting, shipping, and customer service was handled by 14-18 year-olds and we had plenty of satisfied customers. My senior year I ran the sales and marketing department and still use what I learned as a grad student in Mechanical Engineering at Stanford. By the way, there is a lot more to Girl Scouts than badges, I think I stopped doing them when I was 10, but there are numerous programs that really let you learn and grow. I've always thought girl scouts was a better program than boy scouts because it doesn't focus on how to tie a knot, or camping (even though I have done plenty of that), but allows girls to explore their own interests.

  • Posted By: Asheville Jack @ 03/11/2009 3:56:44 PM

    II live in Asheville, and I like to buy Girl Scout cookies every year because of the personal contact with local Scouts and their parents. As an adult, it???s hard not to admire a youngster who is willing to use their own time and resources to do something that not only benefits themselves, but others as well. And I know that, for the most part, a large part of the money collected tends to stay in the community. And even though I don???t need to buy them, that???s why I part with my hard earned cash. But buying Girl Scout cookies online bothers me a little . If I wanted to purchase cookies online I could do that, and for less money than Girl Scout cookies. It???s the one on one personal experience that make buying these cookies rewarding for both the girl Scout and me, and I would thing other folks in the community as well. It is, after all, a shared community act of giving.

  • Posted By: justDoug @ 03/11/2009 3:54:21 PM

    My daughter is a Girl Scout and it was mave VERY clear that you do not set up a web site or sell over web based stores like eBay and such. if the parents didn't pay attention or choose to read what they signed stating they understood these rules then they are clearly not worthy of my pitty. do it according to the rules or talk to GSA to get the rules changed but going through the media to earn pity you dont deserve is just stupid.

  • Posted By: coolinseattle @ 03/11/2009 3:53:58 PM

    time for the Girl Scouts to move into the 21st century,

  • Posted By: Flash McGruder @ 03/11/2009 3:53:56 PM

    According to the story, she was doing this to enable all the girls in her troop to go. The short-sighed Girl Scout leader
    could have divided up the online sales among all the girls in the Troop rather than act be so negative. She was doing this for her Troop, and the complaining mothers and girls were only thinking of themselves.

    Perhaps all Girl Scout troops could have an online web site with a "Buy Girl Scout Cookies Here!" page. Sales would certainly increase, particularly if they allowed online sales to be all year long!.

  • Posted By: impeachboth @ 03/11/2009 11:21:47 AM

    Girls Scout cookies contain dangerous artery clogging TRANS FATS and use Palm oil which is one of the most unhealthy fats there is. AVOID GIRL SCOUT COOKIES LIKE THE PLAGUE! They will clog your arteries with gunk.

    • Posted By: cclms @ 03/11/2009 3:52:41 PM

      If you haven't looked at a box of Girl Scouts cookies lately, NONE of the 8 varieties we sell in our area of the country contain trans fat. In fact, they didn't have any trans fat last year either. As far as palm oil is concerned, I don't know enough to comment but a quick read about palm oil on Wikipedia indicates medical studies raising concerns that palm oil may increase cholesterol and risk for cardiovascular disease. Just my 2 cents...

    • Posted By: Cincinnati Rick @ 03/11/2009 1:05:00 PM

      Oh pulleeeze. Your preaching and modern day "fire and brimstone" are nothing but a bore. The sky is always falling and the end of the world is nigh. Get a life Grinch.

    • Posted By: Outlawwilly @ 03/11/2009 11:30:24 AM

      Get a life, Unless your eating a 100 boxes of the cookies it might hurt you. Go eat your sprouts and high carb lowfat yogurt....

      • Posted By: lwayne352 @ 03/11/2009 12:25:24 PM

        The use of palm oil is causing destruction of the rain forests. It isn't just a health issue. I will never buy girl scout cookies again.

      • Posted By: lwayen352 @ 03/11/2009 12:24:53 PM

        The use of palm oil is causing destruction of the rain forests. It isn't just a health issue. I will never buy girl scout cookies again.

      • Posted By: lwayen352 @ 03/11/2009 12:23:51 PM

        The use of palm oil is causing destruction of the rain forests. It isn't just a health issue. I will never buy girl scout cookies again.

      • Posted By: impeachboth @ 03/11/2009 12:08:33 PM

        Obvioulsy you have constipation issues. GIRL SCOUT cookies contain artery clogging TRANS FATS and artery clogging Palm Oil. AVOID THESE UNHEALHY COOKIES LIKE THE PLAGUE

    • Posted By: Denise Newnan @ 03/11/2009 11:28:39 AM

  • Posted By: xmissile @ 03/11/2009 12:02:55 PM

    I no longer buy these cookies as they are contributing to obesity and diabetes. I work in the healthcare industry and if you want to talk about why America is broke, it starts here folks. They have to come out with a healthier alternative or different product altogether.

    • Posted By: Wilma123 @ 03/11/2009 3:47:12 PM

      If this product has been the contributing factor to obesity, then why is it that they have been sold for decades, but the childhood obesity problem is fairly recent?? It is not the cookies fault that kids are obese.

    • Posted By: delkey1 @ 03/11/2009 1:20:20 PM

      Every food that is processed, high fat, high sugar etc is contributing to obesity and diabetes...it's not the product, it's the overindulgence in the product. American's don't understand moderation...people need to be resonbsible for their personal choices rather than trying to remove all products that have the potential to be harmful. Even water when taken excessively can be harmful to the body.

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