The Intel Czar Stumbles

Outcry in Congress derails Dennis Blair's choice for top post.

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  • Posted By: Barney L. Cornett @ 03/11/2009 9:32:48 PM

    Obama is showing us and the whole world what an "Incompetent and Pathetically Weak" President he really is(like I didn't know already)!
    He's an Empty-Suit, the real power rests with Princess Pelosi, Prince Harry and Barney ***(I mean Frank), that toothless old Pedophile!
    The Chinese know what a complete "Boob" Obama is, why else would their military be harassing our Navy at this very moment while all of you Liberals play apologist for Obama's policies!
    I want all you Liberals to remember that though Bush was a bad President it wasn't Bush that murdered 3000 Americans on 9/11, it was Islamo-Facists and it's Liberals like you who have been trying to place the blame on America for it ever since!
    I haven't met a Liberal yet who isn't an apologist for Islamo-Facists, Big Government Socialism, Blame American First and Always and the list goes on and on and on!
    You Liberals want to abolish meat from our diets, take away our guns, tell us we can't wear leather and or fur, and if someone calls you on it, you want to take away out Right to Free Speech by calling it The Fairness Doctrine! Though I don't really care for Rush myself, he's really got you Liberals in a snit only because he will not Worship at the feet of the Liberals New Golden Calf!
    This is nothing new, Liberals have always fallen head over heels in love for some of the Worst Scum-Sucking Individuals in history, remember before the run up to the Irai War, That Liberal Superstar Extraordinaire, Sean Penn in Bagdad meeting with that Murderous Scum-Bag, Saddam Hussein and literally, fawning all over him, truly The Liberal Movements Finest Hour!
    After that debacle and many others to numerous to name here The Liberal Movement has proven itself to be as Morally Bankrupt as anybody or anything else that they Feign A Moral Outrage over!

    • Posted By: larocco @ 06/19/2009 1:47:57 PM

      I don't blame bush for 9/11 either - or the deaths of 3000 on that day. I blame bush for the over 4000 dead and the over 20,000 wounded sons and daughters of America that he lied to the slaughter. I blame bush for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqies that died for his lies.

    • Posted By: sanctuaryvb @ 03/11/2009 9:46:39 PM

      YAWNNNNNNNNNN - more recycled irrelevant, discredited republican propaganda based on ideology rather than facts. You go, Barney :P

      • Posted By: Barney L. Cornett @ 03/11/2009 9:52:53 PM

        I'm not a Repulican, You Liberal Screw-Ball! I'm an Independent! Check it out in the dictionary, you might learn something instead of being a Lamb led to the Slaughter!

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/13/2009 5:17:49 PM

          "I'm not a Repulican, You Liberal Screw-Ball! I'm an Independent! "

          Translation: You're a republican desperate for credibility.

        • Posted By: sanctuaryvb @ 03/11/2009 10:00:44 PM

          Whatever, man. You've got nothing relevant to say so it really don't matter what you are.

          • Posted By: Barney L. Cornett @ 03/11/2009 10:34:28 PM

            If it's not relevant what I am or what I say then why don't you go and F*** yourself and while you're at it find something relevant to do like fix your drapes or something!

        • Posted By: oneofthefew @ 03/11/2009 10:17:50 PM

          As usual, some comments appear as though liberals go: neah, neah and stick their fingers in their ears and ARE SHEEP being led to tha slaughter. And they think they are "free" thinkers.

  • Posted By: Quiet_American @ 03/17/2009 10:23:47 AM

    As a conservative republican American who truly wants what is best for this country no matter who is in charge, I offer my unsolicicted, and admittedly unqualified, advice to the Obama Administration: You have chosen Dennis Blair to be Intel Czar apparently because you believe him to be very knowledgeable about the world. And that's true, but I don't think he knows Washington very well. I have met the Admiral and found him somewhat rigid and somewhat temperamentally unprepared to put up with the BS that goes on in DC. Now that can be a good thing for an Intel Czar, from whom the President needs straight answers. But it also means that Adm. Blair, good man that he is, is going to keep to stepping on political landmines without some help. He needs a political animal around him watching his flanks and whispering the occasional note of caution in his ear.

    I don't mean one of Rahm Emanuel's cynical Chicago boys, who see everything through an ideological prism. Better to get a senior Democratic aide off either the Intel or Armed Services Committees (not Foreign Relations, which is more ideologically-driven). There are some smart, experienced, pragmatic, patriotic men and women on those committees; several come with Top Secret clearances already, and one of them can surely help Admiral Blair brave the political rapids in DC. Without such a person, Admiral Blair is going to have a few more problems, and it doesn't take many of those in our media-driven society to destroy a reputation he has spent a lifetime of honorable service building. And in the long run, that doesn't help anybody.

    God bless our country.

    • Posted By: bfoster68 @ 06/03/2009 11:22:37 AM

      I am a democrat and That is a solid piece of advice. Nice reasoning sir.

  • Posted By: mcgillagorilla @ 05/07/2009 9:44:00 PM

    obama can not seem to find a honest american for any of his high level posts what a shock. obama is doing a fine job of destrying our country with him in charge we do not need any terrorists. ben laden is laughing his ass off.

  • Posted By: wyomingite @ 04/03/2009 4:02:19 PM

    Freeman's childish response tells me he was told by the Administration to withdraw from consideration. (He sounded like Ted Stevens trying to convince us that the world is wrong and he is right.) Any thoughts?

  • Posted By: Quiet_American @ 03/17/2009 10:07:12 AM

    As a conservative republican American who truly wants what's best for the country no matter who's in charge, I respectfully offer my unsolicited (and admittedly unqualified) advice for the Obama Administration: You've chosen Dennis Blair for this assignment because he is a smart, well-intentioned man who knows a lot about intelligence and about many world leaders. But he is a neophyte in the ways of DC. I met him when he was in the Navy and found him a bit rigid and not particularly temperamentally suited to deal with the BS that goes on in DC. That can be a good thing in an intel chief who needs to give straight answers, but it can also lead to embarrassing oversights and gaffes that will quickly ruin a reputation he has spent a lifetime building. He needs to have a political animal around him watching his back and whispering caution in his ear on occasion. Look at some of the senior Democratic aides on the Intel or Armed Services Committees in Congress (not Foreign Relations, which is more ideologically driven); you'll find some smart, pragmatic, patriotic Americans who could be a trustworthy sounding board; several of them already have Top Secret clearances. Without this person, Admiral Blair, decent man that he is, is going to keep stepping on political landmines. And frankly, I don't see how that helps the country. Better to have Admiral Blair in there than some political hack. But to help keep him there, you may need to have one political hack around him watching his flanks.

  • Posted By: Eric33 @ 03/14/2009 9:08:55 PM

    Congress is Israeli-occupied territory. They are a bunch of poodles for the Israel lobby.

  • Posted By: IndianDP @ 03/14/2009 11:46:55 AM

    SAUDI FACTOR: Sustained campaigns of militant/terrorist outfits have both material and ideological tacit support from Wahabism. The way to put out the global fire is to convince Saudis to accept others as legitimate co-owners of this planet.The starting point of this admission is permitting to build places of worship of nonmuslim faiths in Saudi arabia. Its that obscene in a civilized world to denigrate other faiths *illegal* by an entire nation, simply its anti people in nature and is incompatible with international law. Especially, when seen in the context of them pumping billions of dollars into other countries spreading wahabism.
    The international court of justice just issued an arrest warrant on Bashir, the murderous ruler of Sudan, as expected he defied to surrender. Gross negligence of human rights should not be overlooked by international community; military option should be implemented before more innocent lives are lost. A proactive international community will ensure global peace in this multipolar world we live in.
    - out of context but relevant to one and all in this free world

  • Posted By: oneofthefew @ 03/11/2009 10:04:15 PM

    You miserable (angry, unhappy) liberals love to spew YOUR propaganda against conservatism. You are so busy taking God out of everything, refusing to actually pay attention to what those thieves on the hill are doing and choose to blame it on republicans. You all started this crap when Pelosi became speaker. Hating on everyone, even our military. Open your eyes and start paying attention to the facts not this liberal, one nation under Obama. When crap hits the fan. You will be crying after our country might be taken over. Marshall law? Oh you guys hate our military!

    • Posted By: sanctuaryvb @ 03/11/2009 10:14:03 PM

      You are surely mistake, Liberals do not hate our military we are part of it. You are too cute by far claiming that liberals love to spew propaganda against convervatism - too bad it's not true. So-called 'conservatives' did this to themselves with their policies of torture, spying on Americans, suspending habeas corpus, black sites, abuse, demonizing our disadvantaged, republican sense of entitlement, routing our environment, elevating religion and ideology over science, policies that were designed to divide us over social issues, using religious based arguments (rather than facts) to urge people to vote against their own economic interests. and on and on and on. The left has NEVER been as combative as the right, that you can keep a straight face (well... maybe you didn't - maybe you're just a flamer) claiming the liberals use hateful language is just so over the top.

      • Posted By: oneofthefew @ 03/11/2009 10:28:00 PM

        You must be a very ignorant man to believe in all that PROPAGANDA. However, we do believe in God and Country. Sheep being led to the slaughter. Maybe you are just naive and only listen to what makes you feel like your on a sugar high!

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/13/2009 5:18:59 PM

          Your side lost, hippie. Cry me a river.

  • Posted By: ChristianAmerican @ 03/13/2009 11:18:11 AM

    Pro-Israel opinion by two Jewish American journalists. It SAYS all.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/13/2009 5:16:24 PM

      Your white sheets are showing.

  • Posted By: StrategicPlanner @ 03/12/2009 6:47:19 AM

    Well, the comments here are all over the map. All I will say is that the primary loyalty of both elected and appointed officials should be to the United States. Foreign policy should be made based on the best interests of the United States and not those of any other country. History shows undue influence by foreign governments or entities. There was the China Lobby (Taiwan), now a mere shadow of its former self. The Israel Lobby continues to wield excessive influence but it is being challenged by such as JStreet.org, which I think people should look at and support.

    China has influence through business interests whose motive for profit is not necessarily (understatement) in the interest of the U.S.

    Japan has at times been treated excessively favorably due to "clientitis" by the State Department Chrysanthemum Club (Japan experts), the military (which put its idea of security over economics and trade), free market economists (Japan Inc. is not and never ill be a free market), or members of Congress and State governors with Japanese plants in their districts (in the '80s, MITI was worried about Congress and helped direct the investment to buy influence - very smart).

    On the Middle East, our policy has been dominated by Israel for too long. And it is counterproductive. Israel has its interests and the U.S. has its own. They are different. U.S. interest is in stability, prosperity, and peace in the region. To achieve that we have to regain independence and push everyone involved. Interestingly, there have been many in Israel who favor peace. That has not included the government, which has to kowtow to radical elements - due to inclination and the fragmented political system.

    On the current article, it would be nice to see a real expose of the opposition to Freeman. If it is the Israeli Lobby. That should be made very clear so the public can decide how to deal with it.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 03/12/2009 3:57:51 PM

      It is not,however. Yesterday,the editors of the Washington Post delivered a scathing rebuttal to the ''Walt/Meirshieimer AIPAC conspiriacy theorists'', correctly noting that House liberals based their opposition on Freeman for his China policies,while conservatives railed at him for his excellent Saudi adventures.
      Blind men and -elephant. Israel bashers will seize on this as evidence that Israels pull on the US is too strong [minus the 1 billion in taxpayers dollars that we are preparing to give the Palestinians]. China bashers look to its human rights abuses and treatment of Tibet,the focus of a House-introduced resolution to be voted on today. Saudi bashers see bin Ladens under every rock. Freeman was unfortunate enough to be involved with all of these factions,embracing two,[China and Saudi Arabia] while bashing the other [Israel]. This state,obviously,has elements of ''peace''factions unknown to the Palestinians [indeed,the Jewish government refers to these as ''Labour Doves''. In Gaza,they are shot for ''collaboration''].
      In ''pushing''the Israelis it pays to observe that the HAMAS radicalists are going to have to be pushed as well. The US to its credit among the American left,as we have seen,has ponied up the dough. It remains to see how it will be used that will tell us if the Palestinians are serious about ''peace''. Clinton will have to push [has already avowed such in fact],to ending further settlements and rolling those already there back,while curtailing HAMAs rocket strikes,suicide attacks,and its hegemony over the ordinary Palestinian people. Obviously,''lobbies''will be dealt with as with any other ''lobby''.... by doing nothing.

      • Posted By: StrategicPlanner @ 03/13/2009 3:58:32 PM

        March 12 WP Editorial "Blame the 'Lobby'" Shortened with notes:

        Freeman looked like a poor choice. A former envoy to Saudi Arabia and China (Note: incorrect, he was not Ambassador to Beijing but #2) with extreme clientitis. Freeman headed a Saudi-funded Middle East advocacy group in Washington (Note: misleading, Saudi funding was a minor percentage) and was on the advisory board of a state-owned Chinese company. It was reasonable to ask - as numerous members of Congress did - if such an actor should oversee preparation of National Intelligence Estimates. (Note: largely, it seems, due to the "Lobby" or whatever.)

        After Freeman withdrew it became clear just how bad a choice he was. He issued a two-page screed describing himself victim of a shadowy (Note: Pincus describes how people in the "Lobby" worked behind the scenes.) "Lobby" whose "tactics plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency" and which is "intent on enforcing adherence to the policies of a foreign government." Yes, Mr. Freeman was referring to Americans who support Israel -- and his statement was a grotesque libel. (Note: Freeman was referring to the Israel Lobby, not Americans who support Israel.)

        For the record, the AIPAC says it took no formal position on Mr. Freeman's appointment and did not lobby against him. (Note: see above.) If there was a campaign, its leaders didn't bother to contact the Post editorial board. (So???) According to a report by Newsweek, Mr. Freeman's most formidable critic -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- was incensed by his position on dissent in China. (Note: misleading - see Pincus about who applied pressure.)

        Consider Freeman's broader charge: "an inability of the American public to discuss, or the government to consider, any option for U.S. policies in the Middle East opposed by the ruling faction in Israeli politics." That will certainly be news to Israel's "ruling faction," (Note: would it now? Let's remember the virulent attacks on Jimmy Carter's book - virtually none of them on substance - and the attacks on 60 Minutes for doing a balanced story on the West Bank.)

        What's striking about the charges by Freeman and like-minded conspiracy theorists is blatant disregard for established facts. (Note: they seem to mean the full paragraph above and it is not relevant established facts.) Freeman claims that "it is not permitted for anyone in the United States" to describe Israel's nefarious influence. But several of his allies have made themselves famous (and advanced their careers) by making such charges (Note: who, exactly?) -- and no doubt Freeman himself will now win plenty of admiring attention. (Note: as consolation for not being appointed and virulent attacks?) As crackpot tirades such as his have always had an eager audience here and around the world. The real question is why an administration that says it aims to depoliticize U.S. intelligence

      • Posted By: StrategicPlanner @ 03/13/2009 3:51:43 PM

        Rosen said he can neither talk to AIPAC employees nor lobby Congress. But, he did talk to "a number of journalists" about Freeman. He did not answer when asked if he talked to Hill staff.

        Rosen wrote 17 postings about Freeman in 19 days. Some added more original reporting, some pointed to other blogs'. Rosen traced increasing interest in the appointment including coverage by Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic, Michael Goldfarb of the Weekly Standard, and Chait and Martin Peretz of the New Republic.

        On March 2, Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) wrote Blair to raise concerns based on what he had read about Freeman's positions. Two days later, he called for Blair to withdraw the appointment.

        On March 2, the Zionist Organization of America called for support of a letter by Rep. Mark Steven Kirk (R-Ill.) that called on the DNI inspector general to investigate Freeman for possible conflicts of interest because of his financial relations with Saudi Arabia. That letter, signed by Kirk and seven other congressmen, including John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), was sent to IG Edward Maguire on March 3.

        Close observers consider that a turning point in the effort to stop Freeman's candidacy, and Rosen's blog began focusing almost exclusively on the appointment.

        On Monday, the seven Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee wrote Blair to protest his choice, which was not subject to Senate confirmation, and threatened to review the NIC's work as long as Freeman chaired that body.

        At a Senate Armed Services Committee meeting one day later, Sen. Lieberman (I-Conn.) told Blair that the controversy "is not going to go away until you or Ambassador Freeman find a way to resolve it."

        Freeman explained his decision last night on National Public Radio: "It became apparent that, no matter what the National Intelligence Council or the intelligence community might put out under my chairmanship, I would be used as an excuse -- if something was said that wasn't politically correct -- to disparage the quality and the credibility of the intelligence."

        End text of Pincus article.

      • Posted By: StrategicPlanner @ 03/13/2009 3:51:19 PM

        Continued???.

        "Intelligence Pick Blames 'Israel Lobby' For Withdrawal" - W. Pincus (Abridged Version, for full text, see link):

        Freeman withdrew after a campaign against him ignited debate about powerful pro-Israel lobbying. He said e-mail trails prove the Israel Lobby is out to control the policy process and prevent views other than its own from being aired, still less factored in to American understanding of the Middle East.

        Controversy included complaints about connections to China. But most attention focused on Freeman's work for the Middle East Policy Council, funded in part by Saudi money, and criticisms about Israel.

        Few Jewish organizations came out publicly, but pro-Israeli bloggers and employees of these organizations worked behind the scenes on members of Congress, their staffs and the media. Among these was AIPAC spokesman Block who said AIPAC, "took no position on this matter and did not lobby the Hill". But Block responded to questions and provided critical material on background so comments could not be attributed.

        The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs worked to derail the appointment. It said: "We think Israel and any presumed 'lobby' had far less effect on the outcome than the common-sensical belief that the person who is the gatekeeper of intelligence information for the President of the United States should be unencumbered by payments from foreign governments."

        Stephen Walt, who has described the Israel lobby as dangerous, said: "For all of you out there who may have questioned whether there was a powerful 'Israel lobby,' or who admitted that it existed but didn't think it had much influence . . . think again."

        Time's Joe Klein said Freeman was victim of a mob of Jewish neocons abetted by gutless public servants who have made Washington even less hospitable for those who would speak their minds.

        The first cry of alarm, a week before Freeman's appointment was announced, came from AIPAC's former chief foreign policy lobbyist, Steve Rosen, who was indicted in 2005 for violating the Espionage Act. (Trial in May.) He said on Feb.19 that Freeman was a "strident critic of Israel".

      • Posted By: StrategicPlanner @ 03/13/2009 3:49:18 PM

        To Lee Holmes,

        I have looked at several articles from yesterday's Washington Post. The editorial was certainly "scathing" but hardly a rebuttal. Nor did it contain much of what you say it did. Maybe you saw one I did not find. There was much negative comment and it could be taken as proof that there is a "Lobby" trying to control the media. It is also quite at variance with the March 12 WP article by Walter Pincus entitled "Intelligence Pick Blames 'Israel Lobby' For Withdrawal", which seems well researched.

        For those who have not seen them the abridged (for convenience) texts of the Pincus article and the editorial are below. Full versions are at the links that follow.

        The conclusions I draw are: it was largely the Israel Lobby which orchestrated the attack on Freeman, that much was done by employees of the organizations acting as surrogates to provide plausible deniability ( a sign that the "Lobby" is weakening a bit), and that we still have to work hard at gaining independence from undue influence. I notice that the Hill has begun to use this deniability to cover its tracks. Very sneaky. I applaud it as a tactic.

        By the way, why is it that when I say we have to push all parties involved to achieve peace, you respond: "In 'pushing' the Israelis it pays to observe that the HAMAS radicalists are going to have to be pushed as well." That was, of course, included. I repeat, the only thing that should concern the U.S. is American interests.

        Continued???.

      • Posted By: StrategicPlanner @ 03/13/2009 6:35:10 AM

        The WP article is part of the discussion but doesn't meet the need.

  • Posted By: mjkoch @ 03/12/2009 8:15:34 AM

    The only outrage was that of appointing Charles Freeman in the first place.

    It would be like appointing the grand dragon of the Klu Klux Klan to head the civil rights commission. The man was anti-Israel to the core, and you don't appoint someone who detests one of our most important allies to a post of strategic importance. No Jewish organization complained when Obama appointed George Mitchell as his envoy to find a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Mitchell has criticized Israel's settlement policy, the checkpoints, and not allowing more aid into Gaza. Nevertheless, Israeli's know Mitchell is fair. Freeman, on the other hand is a conspiracy theorist who blames everything on the Jews.The appointment was a mistake from the beginning.

    • Posted By: pug_ster @ 03/12/2009 11:48:28 AM

      First of all Chas Freeman is appointed to the National Intelligence Council, the think tank group for the government. They do not have any power to act on any policies but to advise the government on foreign issues. Second, most people in the world have a unfavorable rating toward the US because of its imperialistic foreign policy. Yes we are more unfavorable than a country like China. Yet the US have an I'm right and you're wrong policy because of a bunch of yes men rubberstamping the US' policy within the NIC. As a result, we have had intelligence failures which led us to the Iraq war. The issue with Israel and Palestine is a failure because we follow Israel's hard lines. Chas Freeman is a contrarian, realist, pragmatist and a lone dissenter in the government of yes-men. He is not personally against Israel as a nation, but says that because Israel's hard line policies, Israel is creating conditions that Israel is hated. In your example of the KKK, He is not for someone like the KKK, but makes his case of why an organization like the KKK would exist and how we can remedy the situation. When the Bush Administration was screaming for Saddam's blood before the Iraq war, he says that going to war is a bad idea because it will cause more harm than good. You guys should read his writings, as many of the US' foreign policies failed because we are doing the same things over and over but expecting different results.

    • Posted By: robadude32 @ 03/12/2009 9:42:14 AM

      Good point.

  • Posted By: mahalapril @ 03/12/2009 10:28:57 AM

    How could Obama screw up even the simplest job of nominee picking. He can easily find tax cheaters,liars ,corrupt,dishonest people. Maybe he is already immune to the corrupt Chicago political machine which take ANY CRIMINAL,CORRUPT AND DISHONEST people to important gov't posts.

  • Posted By: brian1775 @ 03/12/2009 9:31:58 AM

    Bill Clinton is God..

  • Posted By: melk @ 03/12/2009 7:05:35 AM

    We owe a debt of gratitude to the Israeli lobby if it was indeed them who drew everyone's attention to Mr Freeman's disgraceful views on 9/11 and Chinese dissidents, And I don't think that President Obama deserves any praise for the
    fact that such an unsuitable candidate has now withdrawn. Mr Freeman is now basically blaming the Jews. He should
    have lunch with some of his friends on this forum.

  • Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 03/12/2009 2:42:40 AM

    Imagine if Bush would have held his people to this high of a standard and had this kind of transparency....f@#k cheney would have NEVER made it, nor gonzalez, miers, rove, libby, snow, rice, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, etc...but NAH bush just threw a blanket of "executive privilege" over them and moved on and NOW we suffer their corruption.

    that's what people keep forgetting, ther was NO standard for a repig cabinet except cronyism...period.

    be thankful that OBAMA takes our country a little more seriously (understatement) than bush EVER did...it's not just a party with a bunch of friends for Barack, not just a barbeque and a bombing.

  • Posted By: Robert1234 @ 03/12/2009 12:49:51 AM

    One more indication that our Congress are slaves to Israel. Bush was told by Israel to vote against it's own proposal and he instructed Rice to do so. Now Obama's choice for a high office is vetoes by Israel. America no longer has it's own government, we're just money puppets for Israel. After the Gaza murders it's becoming obvious to even the ultra-right that Israel is more of a problem for America in the Middle East than Iraq or Iran. It's time to get harsh with Israel and stop funding their murders. Hey, we paid them $27 billion to develop a fighter they then sold to China! Just how stupid are we?

  • Posted By: oneofthefew @ 03/12/2009 12:18:44 AM

    Have no clue who where you learned that from. IT IS NOT my belief that all christians need to get to Isreal. Nor do I believe that God is gonna kill all the Jews for not believing in Christ. How absurd. I do not belong to any organized religion. Most are corrupt. I do beleve in Jesus CHrist. Again, you can ignore again, the views of true christianity. But I bet you have never opened a Bible.

  • Posted By: oneofthefew @ 03/12/2009 12:09:33 AM

    I am quite aware of all the parties in our country, I agree wholeheartedly that networks have their own agendas. I do believe the election was purchased this year. Republicans still really don't have a leader. I'm tired. I need to take a break. I believe all politicions have dirty hands and yes, Obama outspent everybody. He was losing until the economy took a dump. Didnt think there was anyone who truley put the country first.

  • Posted By: sanctuaryvb @ 03/12/2009 12:01:00 AM

    One other comment regarding the 'we don't anyone to die.' It is a fact that evangelical Christians work very hard to get Jews to return to Israel, even funding many Jews to leave this country to go. Why? So they will be in place when the Rapture comes. What happens then? The Jews are slaughtered by God for not accepting Christianity and Jesus as their Savior. Do you dispute this?

  • Posted By: oneofthefew @ 03/11/2009 11:41:44 PM

    We dont anyone to die.You obviously don't believe in God. I believe Palestine should stop bombing Isreal and stop using women and children as human sheild. Hamas was elected by fears and threats. Palestine needs to combat Hamas and their attention won't solely be on the destruction of another country.

    • Posted By: sanctuaryvb @ 03/11/2009 11:55:01 PM

      What??? What does it matter whether I believe in god or not? We are talking about politics, not religion. I will not engage this topic but I will engage the rest of this missive. Again, you are mistaken about how Hamas was elected. First, Hamas must represent their own people, not the interests of foreign countries like the US or Israel. They were elected in amazingly free and open elections and there was no controversy whatsoever. That is what democracy IS - we just didn't like the results. Also, Islam as a religion certainly does NOT believe in creating terror. Some individuals do, but such people are certainly not limited to the Islamic religion, there have been many Christian, Jewish (and all other faith) terrorists as well. I have no problem with Islam or any other faith as long as the government remains secular.

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