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Plotting The Pullout

As the U.S. military plans to withdraw from Iraq, a weakened rogue element remains a threat.

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  • Posted By: OnlyCure=Truth @ 04/18/2009 4:00:08 PM

    This happened in the 60's and was it reported in the News NO!

    From 14:03 until 14:10, the Israeli air assault unleashed hell, concentrating a coordinated strafing attack first of bombs, then of rockets, armor-piercing bullets, and napalm on the ship's communication antennas and crew. Basically these fighters exhausted all of their ordnance and ammunition on a ship they knew could not return fire before they left. (3) page 16 and (4). Israel later confirmed that multiple Mirage fighter-bombers and Dassault Mystyres swept-wing fighters were used, and this was confirmed from photographs taken by Liberty sailors. During the assault, the aircraft jammed all frequencies so the Liberty was only able to communicate during the short intervals when the Israeli rockets were in-flight, as the fighters had to switch off jamming temporarily. (1) page 36. Also during the assault, the American flag was shot away, but before the torpedo attack began, it was replaced with a larger 8x13 foot version. (3) page 19.

    Between 14:24 and 14:28, the three torpedo boats arrived in visual range and were reported as flying Israeli flags. (3) page 19 and (1) page 36.

    At 14:31, both the USS Liberty and the torpedo boats opened fire at each other. At least five (5) torpedoes were launched, and two (2) torpedoes made contact at about 14:35, and later mechanical analysis revealed one of the torpedoes hit in an area where a few meters in either direction would likely have broken the ship in half. Twenty-five (25) Americans working in the SIGINT section were killed instantly by this torpedo. Following the torpedoes, the Israeli boats raked the USS Liberty with cannon and machine-gun fire, shooting at any visible sailor above deck. At one point, the Israelis concentrated their fire on the boiler, trying to cause an explosion and sink the ship. The torpedo boats were later confirmed to be Ayah class motor torpedo boats, each carrying two (2) torpedoes, and (4) cannons. Before the ship was scrapped, there were 861 holes larger than a man's fist and thousands of 0.50 caliber machine gun holes. (3) pages 19-20, (2) pages 7-8, (1) page 37-38. Same as the fighter attack, basically the Israelis expended all of their ordnance and then just opened up with machine-guns, possibly to keep the sailors from activating a new radio line. They threw everything they had at the USS Liberty, trying to sink a defenseless vessel that they had confirmed to be American.

  • Posted By: cougar_gal06 @ 03/23/2009 1:36:24 PM

    I think one of the key problems that may come from the U.S. leaving Iraq is that there are still so many people unemployed and living in poverty in the country. The only reason that there hasn't been as many Al-Queda recruits in the country is probably because we have been so closely involved in the development. With the U.S. gone from Iraq there will be a little bit more breathing room to recruit people into the Taliban. If we step up our foreign aid, it could help the developing countries in the Middle East, Asia, Europe and South America educate the people about agriculture and provide them with the tools and resources needed to sustain crops for use and trade. There are millions of children that need at least adequate enough health care to provide them with the vaccinations necessary to survive the daily struggles they have. The Borgen Project (www.borgenproject.org) has some more facts related to poverty and national security.

  • Posted By: edburns123 @ 03/13/2009 11:24:44 AM

    How come in 12 weeks an American can go from daddy's farm through boot camp and put up on the front lines of battle as battle ready, but men in Iraq take several years to make ready to defend their new freedom? What would the United States be like today had the early continental soldier told England, don't invade us for at least 8 more years so we can prepare to fight you? We'd bloody well be sipping-tea and eating crumpets we would!

    • Posted By: Mike S @ 03/15/2009 7:40:00 PM

      It isn't the individual soldier that takes three years to train. It is his leadership. Success isn't due to the individual soldier, but the team. An American can go from farm to battlefield in a few weeks because he fits within a already existing team, with solid procedures and the ability to adapt to changing circumstances. An Iraqi enters an army where the sergeants know not much more than the privates and the officers do not have a tradition of competence, let alone winning. It takes three years to "grow" a buck sergeant and eight to build a captain. Higher ranks take longer. There is no "royal road" to creating an army.

  • Posted By: Dredd @ 03/14/2009 8:59:30 AM

    Let me translate: some of the Iraqi people still want their own oil.

    http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/03/oil-for-peace.html

    They are "unpeaceful".

  • Posted By: ArjunSuksh @ 03/13/2009 8:42:54 AM

    It is time for US to move out from Iraq and concentrate the terrorists activities going on Pakistan. They have to take some measures to control terrorism in Pakistan.

    Arjun, www.100floors.com. E-mail Id - arjun.s@suksh.com

  • Posted By: chinatibet @ 03/12/2009 12:03:01 PM

    The United States is evil and hegemonic country, will come a time when the United States for his conduct paid with their blood.
    China is a great and invincible and friendly country.
    http://blog.ifeng.com/706796.html
    Newsweek website will a1292394472@tom.com registered with my user name to the remarks made by the shield, and the original, there is no freedom of speech and human rights in the United States too.
    Ironically the United States.

  • Posted By: chinatibet @ 03/12/2009 12:01:22 PM

    The United States is evil and hegemonic country, will come a time when the United States for his conduct paid with their blood.
    China is a great and invincible and friendly country.
    http://blog.ifeng.com/706796.html
    Newsweek website will a1292394472@tom.com registered with my user name to the remarks made by the shield, and the original, there is no freedom of speech and human rights in the United States too.
    Ironically the United States.

  • Posted By: chinatibet @ 03/12/2009 12:00:25 PM

    The United States is evil and hegemonic country, will come a time when the United States for his conduct paid with their blood.
    China is a great and invincible and friendly country.
    http://blog.ifeng.com/706796.html
    Newsweek website will a1292394472@tom.com registered with my user name to the remarks made by the shield, and the original, there is no freedom of speech and human rights in the United States too.
    Ironically the United States.

  • Posted By: chinatibet @ 03/12/2009 11:47:00 AM

    The United States is evil and hegemonic country, will come a time when the United States for his conduct paid with their blood.
    China is a great and invincible and friendly country.
    http://blog.ifeng.com/706796.html

  • Posted By: chinatibet @ 03/12/2009 11:46:29 AM

    The United States is evil and hegemonic country, will come a time when the United States for his conduct paid with their blood.
    China is a great and invincible and friendly country.
    http://blog.ifeng.com/706796.html

  • Posted By: joewalton @ 03/12/2009 4:33:10 AM

    This is very poor reporting indeed. Connecting Al Qaeda to Iran is nothing short of madness. The idea of Iran supporting Al Qaeda claimed only by Isaelies and their poxies in the west. I hope Mr. Samuels is not one of them . . . ?

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 03/12/2009 1:03:02 AM

    Bush is out of job, why not let him be the president of Iraq to solve all the problems that he made.

  • Posted By: musicmaster @ 03/11/2009 5:21:44 PM

    I am puzzled by the statement in the article that Iran is one of the funders of Al Qaeda. Allthough Iran has its own radical friends that it funds it is very improbable that it is funding the Sunnite Al Qaeda.

  • Posted By: mainermike @ 03/11/2009 3:38:46 PM

    Welcome to AS I SEE IT, by Mike "Mainer Mike" Brown, With The Most Comprehensive Commentary Your Day Can't Do Without.

    It's hard to believe that at one time I actually supported the war in Iraq. Yes, it's true, I was foolish enough to beleve George Bush when he said that Saddam Hussien was developing WMD's.

    And the Congress fell for it too!

    Since there were no WMD's, I now realize what a waste of lives and money were spent over a nation that was never a threat.

    But now that we are there, I'm leary of what could happen if we leave.

    I don't feel the Iraqi police and military is strong enough to keep the terrorists in check. Sure, the violence has decreased since the surge. But that's because America used it's military might to fight off the insurgents. The current Iraqi goverment doesn't have that kind of might. Once we leave, those not interested in peace will have a better chance of taking over.

    If we leave, we're risking a civil war worse than ever. Countless will die. Then how will we feel about ourselves here in the U.S.? That wold also look good to the intermational community.

    Furthermore, another surge, this time in Afghanistan, will likely push Al Queda out of that country, who , in turn, will respond by making their presence felt to an even greater extent in a weaker Iraq. In another words, they can set up camp. Then, we may have to re-invade Iraq to fight the group responsible for 9/11, who is our real enemy in the first place.

    I agree with many that that invading Iraq was a mistake.

    But now's not the time to leave.

    That's AS I SEE IT. I'm Mike "Mainer Mike" Brown.

  • Posted By: Getitout @ 03/11/2009 2:14:47 PM

    The situation in Iraq can deteriorate so quickly with or without the American troops on the grounds. So why waiting 16 to 18 months to bring the troops back. They should have been brought back now, not in a year from now. Wait until the troops withdraw from Iraq, the old Saddam regime going to be in power, and another Saddam going to take his place.

    • Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 03/11/2009 2:23:58 PM

      and you base this on......hannity, limpbaah, rove, silly man...it's a civil war between religious factions, what does sadam have do to with any of it he was put there by the US...DUH!

      I say F@#K IRAQ and the IRAQIS, if they are not strong enough by now to hold their own ground, f@#K them!

      Give me 10 billion dollars a month for 6 years and I could train and arm 150K grade schoolers to be a deadly, indestructible, undefeatable force.

      These idiots are choosing to USE our presence for as long as they can milk it and the NID BIDDERS in Iraq are part of the problem, tell Halliburton "NO MORE MONEY" and see how much longer "we" need to be there, see how "fragile" the situation there really is.

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