THE RIPPLE EFFECT

Get Out of Jail, Free

Faced with a billion-dollar budget deficit, Michigan expedites the release of some prisoners. Could more states be close behind?

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  • Posted By: sexworkersanonymous @ 04/26/2009 4:57:43 PM

    I was part of a pilot program in Allentown, PA where they had so many prostitutes in their prisons - they were going to have to spend over a million dollars to build a new prison. The increase of transgender prostitutes also poses a problem - they can't be housed in either male or female prisons - so special housing has to be created for them along with increased security. We were able to put together an alternative sentencing program where the women spent time in this residential program, along with their children, to receive job training, drug treatment, counseling, etc. The hope was not only that it was cheaper than paying for the prison housing - but that it would reduce the number of those who came back. Prostitutes have an alarming rate of repeat arrests. We were able to not only reduce the population so much they did not have to build that new prision while we had this program running - but it cost the taxpayers only about a 1/3 of wht simply arresting them was costing them. By offering outpatitent meetings and services for anyone who wanted help - they were also able to reduce the number of future arrests. It saves a fortune in taxpayer dollars to have such a program in place - and it helps save these women and their children's lives - not to mention the reduction of harm of the health problems these women pose by working as prostitutes. But the reality is that we now have mostly privatized prisons who lobby for laws that not only allow them to keep the prisoners in prison instead of receiving treatment - but they lobby for "stiffer sentences" so they can keep them longer - and make more money. It sounds "good" to cry for stiffer sentencing of criminals - but the only one who benefits are the prisons' piockets. This programs show that no matter how long the sentence - these women/men just return to what they did before. I had to leave the program in PA when I became pregnant and the program folded after I left. The numbers show up again and they not only had to build the bigger prison - but now they were quoted recently as saying they anticipate a 44 percent increase in prisoners which means they are going to have to build an additional prison to house these women. If you go into any prison - you'll find over 80 percent of the females are prostitutes and in there for crimes for which if they were not prostitutes - they wouldn't be in there. We have to ask ourselves if we want to help these women to reduce the numbers in prison and the impact they have not only on our health - but future generations from their children exposed to this - or if we want to keep making prisons rich.

  • Posted By: DOC699 @ 03/12/2009 6:44:31 PM

    Michigan Corrections has it right.They can not afford to "LOCK EM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY".Reality is it costs to lock em up..Soo lock em up for a shorter period of time.Let a probation officer monitor them a little more closely.And when they return to risky behavior send them back to jail.Probation should be for years. It don't cost as much as prison or a halfway house. The taste of prison is enough to keep most of them from going back.Just concentrate on the repeat offenders

    • Posted By: dubie2115 @ 04/16/2009 12:25:33 AM

      I agree, my husband violated his parole because he was within arms reach of a firearm during hunting season and he was sent back for 5 years. It was his only violation, but yet others in my community have violated over and over and get crap!!! They get let out and go back to their horrible ways, while my husband had to leave his wife, son, job...but yet the scum of the town can get out no problem and a productive citizen gets the boot! How does that work?

  • Posted By: otisfunk @ 03/12/2009 7:29:04 PM

    How about removing the t.v's, pool tables fintness centers and all other form of entertainment for the prisoners. Feed them twice a day vs. three times a day and make each and every prisoner work to earn money while they are there. These work programs accomplish many things. Most of the items produced in prison could then be sold outside at a profit and it gives them a skill. The prisoners can use this money to purhase daily used items such as toilet paper, touth paste or what ever is needed. If they do not work or cant afford it then they should be just like any other person in the country and do without until they make money and can purchase it. I believe the prisons should be safe for our corectiional officers, but I am so tired of seeing these prisons where the inmates have it so easy. Make them safe, but the prisoners deserve no rights when they are in there. They are in there for something they did wrong and while I may sound inhumane, they should not be treated with any respect. What do we do with animals when they go bad...put them in cages or put them to sleep. It is really no different

    • Posted By: reinadelaz @ 03/12/2009 7:58:39 PM

      Having served as a correctional officer for 3 1/2 years in the state of Florida, I must tell you that I most sincerely hope that you never have a loved one in prison, though I am certain that if you did, your attitude would change rapidly.

      • Posted By: dubie2115 @ 04/16/2009 12:18:04 AM

        First of all, my husband is in prison. There are people who have loved ones there, a brother, son, husband, father....and you are going to say feed them twice a day insted of three times a day! They are still humans you know. Yeah i dont agree with the fact that they have tv's and movie nights, and recreational sports, but my husband works while he's in there. Works to buy his essentials like soaps and tooth paste and phone calls. Everyone has rights, you cant just lock someone up like a stray. You know some of them prisoners dont deserve to be there, and its a waste of tax payers money. Yeah they are in there for something they did wrong, but come on have a little respect for their families. You are not targeting one family you are targeting all the prisoners families. When someone reads that, it hurts like it hurt me to read that. If you only knew what it was like to go through the pain that we (who have a loved one incarcerated) do, than maybe you would think differently

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 03/15/2009 10:41:46 AM

    Our prison system is one example of what Van Jones calls the new math. It costs money to treat an abused child, but most violent criminals were abused as children. The more money we spend on therapy, the less money we need for prisons. It costs money to give a boy from the 'hood a college scholarship, but it's cheaper to send a student from an inner city school to college than it is to send him to prison. Van Jones is promoting a green technology training program for inner city students. That costs money too, But again preparing young people, particularly from the inner city, for a job in an expanding market (green technology), is far cheaper than putting these same young people behind bars.

    The fiscal conservatives just don't get it. As Van Jones pointed out, we need to compare the money we spend now with the money we save in the future. If we use the new math, we'll discover that progressives and liberals are the only true fiscal conservatives.

  • Posted By: justaguy46 @ 03/14/2009 2:44:31 PM

    I totally agree with Ignorancemuststop. I read an article about the GM plant in Janesville Wi. where that a crew of 8 to 10 people were hired to drive the vehicles from the assembly line to the parking area. A person would park the vehicle, sit and sleep in the vehicle until "the ride back" picked them up. Then they sat in the break-room and played cards until it was their turn to drive another. How long do these people think a job like that would last? Most all businesses paid high salaries because they knew it wasn't going any farther that the Casino. People had a good and a chance to save for a rainy day and they blew it!

  • Posted By: justaguy46 @ 03/14/2009 2:37:11 PM

    The first thing on their list is to "get even" with those who put them in jail. Realizing one's faughts is not something most convicted felons have mastered. This is the same as unleashing wolves.

  • Posted By: hooridian2 @ 03/14/2009 2:25:28 PM

    All this and Mr. Obama wants to keep expanding government. Some of these people will no doubt make better lives for themselves and be good citizens, others will return to jail. Society will likely suffer at least some because of this.

  • Posted By: The Messiah @ 03/14/2009 1:10:23 PM

    Maybe states should imprison their state and federal officials for treason?

  • Posted By: jeremiah2 @ 03/14/2009 11:56:44 AM

    Ok, You let 12000 inmates out of prison, close institutions and lay off 1000 correctional officers and staff members which that in itself has a riple effect on the communitees where the targeted closures are causing other business's to close lay off's of more people.
    Add all this to an already distressed economy and a state with double didgit high unemployment and what have you got. TROUBLE in capital letters. Pile it on Governor, you'd better pray that the Auto Industry has a miraculus recovery.

    • Posted By: IgnoranceMustStop @ 03/14/2009 12:08:26 PM

      The auto industry is a perfect example of what is wrong with this country. My friend gets paid over $75,000 a year to put 6 screws into two pieces of plastic all day long. And his co-workers who yell names at people that drive foreign cars, well they all shop at Wal-Mart to buy their goods. I'm not going to finance the life of an unskilled laborer and buy a car that's going to break down after 7 years. Start living in the real world people and wake the F-up!

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 03/14/2009 11:00:22 AM

    THERE ARE JUDGES THAT ARE TO LIBERAL, TO HARSH, AND SOME THAT ARE ACTUALLY FAIR.

    MOST CRIMINALS NEVER GET CAUGHT, SOME THAT DO GET CAUGHT NEVER SERVE TIME, SOME ACTUALLY DO SERVE TIME.

    LIBERALS SHOW MERCY TO THOSE WHO DO HIDEOUS CRIMES TO THEIR VICTIMS.

    OF ALL THE CRIMINALS ONLY A HANDFULL SEE A PRISON CELL; BECAUSE, OF THE BAD ECONOMY THEY WILL BE RELEASED TO CONTINUE THEIR OCCUPATION ----- DRUGS, ROBBERY, HOME BURGLARY, ETC.

    NOT A GOOD DAY FOR POLICE MORALE; NOR, PUBLIC SAFETY.

    • Posted By: IgnoranceMustStop @ 03/14/2009 11:51:38 AM

      Why is it that when we see people using the word "liberal", it's generally used by someone who doesn't even know how to use the proper form of a word? It's "too" dummy, and find the damn CAPS key. Oh, and you may actually want to research some facts before you open your silly pie-hole next time. Commenting on a subject that you are ignorant to only shows the world just how stupid you really are.

  • Posted By: rayjones123 @ 03/12/2009 5:46:59 PM

    I say let take all the people who are not from the USA and send them back to were they come from , this will let up a lot of beds in the jails .

    • Posted By: IgnoranceMustStop @ 03/14/2009 11:46:26 AM

      I say we take all the ignorant buffoons like yourself and put you in jail for being so stupid. None of us are from here dummy, because this country was stolen from those who were here first. In case you skipped school that day, they called them Indians. Ignorant people are just a threat to this country as are criminals, only at least criminals can't vote in many cases. Take your head out of the ass you have it planted in and go educate yourself.

    • Posted By: IgnoranceMustStop @ 03/14/2009 11:42:36 AM

      I say we take the ignorant buffoons such as yourself and send you back to where you'r ancestors came from. We're all living on stolen land you moron, or did you skip class the day they taught American history? Take your head out of the ass that it's stuck in and go learn some facts.

  • Posted By: becesteve @ 03/14/2009 11:37:10 AM

    Let me see if I understand ... more than half of those who are let out of prison after serving their full sentence end up back in the system. So we should let more of them out earlier?
    Maybe we should never let some of them out. Maybe we should go back to having them make license plates or SOMETHING to help defray the costs!

  • Posted By: Dr. Ogers @ 03/14/2009 11:21:24 AM

    Well darn...

    I would prefer that the forces of goodness and light win over the dark side through the power of persuasion and conversion, but if that can't happen, if the dark side goes broke trying to jail so many people, that works for me.

    Oh sure, there are bad folks who need to be controlled, no doubt, but there are a lot of very expensive bad guys on the "justice" side of the equation who can't be controlled at all, and so hey, let them go broke.

    Just for instance, one state confiscated hundreds of children from a polygamist sect. Now I'm not a polygamist, but I have absolutely no desire to dictate the terms of another person's marriage to them, and I think the authorities who intervened in that case need to have their authority trimmed a little.

    Since that won't happen... let them go broke. If they need to shout "child molestors" in order to authorize their activities... let them go broke.

    If they need to jail people because Randolph Hearst wanted marijuana illegalized, let them go broke.

    Privatized jails are going broke? Well darn the luck. It's a crying shame.

    Maybe if the fifth amendment were re-instated there wouldn't be so many convictions.



  • Posted By: Gizmo77 @ 03/14/2009 11:10:52 AM

    I was not shocked to learn that the yearly cost to house an inmate is close to an average yearly salary for a lot of the population. Here is a thought: rather that jailing non-violent offenders, how about investing 50% or less of that amount to enroll them in skill-enhancing educational programs? With all the talk that the amount of time spent in prison has nothing to do with whether he/she will commit another crime, I believe this is a risk worth taking. Obviously, even with all that cash flowing into prisons, their rehabilitation programs to diddly squat to correct the core issues: lack of education, lack of skills , lack of motivation, and lack of patience and concern (these last 2 on the part of the "system").

  • Posted By: rushlimba @ 03/14/2009 10:16:47 AM

    In 2006, I was arrested for a DUI- my BAC was 0.8. Before my trial, I completed 4 months of inpatient Rehab treatment , started attending AA, a weekly outpatient Relapse Prevention group and was monitored daily by a "random drug test" program { twice monthly I am randomly selected to be tested for "EtG" an alcohol metabolite that remains positive for a week after consuming alcohol}. Due to delays in the court system, my trial date was put off until July 2008- realize that I was driving for the past 16 months without even a "parking ticket". I eventually plead guilty, and that's when the court system took over....I was immediately incarcerated, leading to me being fired from my job, fined $4000, given 24 months of probation without any driving privileges.
    Admittedly, I made a serious mistake. But I feel the punishment I received is excessive. I now understand why recidivism is high.........judicial efforts in NC focus on punishment, not on treatment and return to societal norms.
    But my experience in a "county jail" showed my that the 1 person in 31 who are under correctional supervision are generally non violent people who have made a mistake. Most lose any fear of returning to jail because the challenge to overcome obstacles and re enter our "previous life" {before incarceration} is too high, and despite lost freedom, life in jail is like a long "time out", spent sitting in a corner. Whether one day in jail or many years, unless efforts taken to address and correct the underlying problems are taken, it will remain the refuge for people caught in a quagmire. When caught in this circumstance, most become more and more resistant to the expectations of society and drift further and further away from rejoining our society, and find solice in the misery shared by others in this ever enlaging group of outcasts.
    I believe that if we focus on giving this group of people a hand up, instead of pushing them away into an abyss, we can halt the growing number of people under correctional supervision

    • Posted By: joeylowe @ 03/14/2009 10:50:26 AM

      Hey Rush,
      Your comment was insightful and unfortunately accurate. I'm an old ex-cop that knows all to well that the legal system is far from fair. In fact, the legal system is probably the largest industry in the U. S. if not the world. If financial penalities were removed from the system, how long do you think sentences would be? I imagine a lot shorter! For those people who believe that corruption is absent from our legal system and who also believe that judges/prosecutors/police officers are beyond reproach, I direct their attention to the recent events in Pa. where two judges were recently convicted for sentencing children to jail in return for money.

      Here's a question for everyone. Why do we accept a court as non-partisan, non-biased when the prosecutor oftentimes share office space with the judges?

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/14/2009 10:28:32 AM

      The silent-majority conservatives would stand in the way of reform like that.

      As far as they are concerned - epitomized by people like Rush who claim "conservatives love people" but that all liberals are "deranged" - if you break the law at any time, or if a cop thinks you have, you are no longer a person and no longer entitled to any human rights whatsoever.

  • Posted By: rushlimba @ 03/14/2009 10:15:06 AM

    In 2006, I was arrested for a DUI- my BAC was 0.8. Before my trial, I completed 4 months of inpatient Rehab treatment , started attending AA, a weekly outpatient Relapse Prevention group and was monitored daily by a "random drug test" program { twice monthly I am randomly selected to be tested for "EtG" an alcohol metabolite that remains positive for a week after consuming alcohol}. Due to delays in the court system, my trial date was put off until July 2008- realize that I was driving for the past 16 months without even a "parking ticket". I eventually plead guilty, and that's when the court system took over....I was immediately incarcerated leading to me being fired from my job, fined $4000, given 24 months of probation without any driving privileges.
    Admittedly, I made a serious mistake. But I feel the punishment I received is excessive. I now understand why recidivism is high.........judicial efforts in NC focus on punishment, not on treatment and return to societal norms.
    But my experience in a "county jail" showed my that the 1 person in 31 who are under correctional supervision are generally non violent people who have made a mistake. Most lose any fear of returning to jail because the challenge to overcome obstacles and re enter our "previous life" {before incarceration} is too high, and despite lost freedom, life in jail is like a long "time out", spent sitting in a corner. Whether one day in jail or many years, unless efforts taken to address and correct the underlying problems are taken, it will remain the refuge for people caught in a quagmire. When caught in this circumstance, most become more and more resistant to the expectations of society and drift further and further away from rejoining our society, and find solice in the misery shared by others in this ever enlaging group of outcasts.
    I believe that if we focus on giving this group of people a hand up, instead of pushing them away into an abyss, we can halt the growing number of people under correctional supervision.

  • Posted By: earthcitizen @ 03/13/2009 2:01:05 AM

    First, we all need to know that our Constitution is the Supreme law, and any law that conflicts with it is criminal. We all need to know that under our Thirteenth Amendment all convicts serving sentences are slaves. And in violation of our Thirteenth Amendment, they remain slaves for the rest of their life even after they have completely paid their debt to our society. What kind of people are we Americans that we do not face the fact that slavery was never abolished, it was simply nationalized. The devilish compromise between the North and South was that the former slave owner could have slaves again by simply accusing his former slaves of crimes. Who would defend the former slave accused of crime? Upon conviction and sentence, the former slave became a slave to our Government under the Thirteenth Amendment. Our Government then rented its new slave to his former master. Later, they trashed the Fifth Amendment prohibition against multiple punishments for the same crime clause when congress, the senate and the President began adding punishments that wre not authorized by the criminal statutes that described the crimes and prescribed the maximum punishments for them. So the national average is one in thirty people either in prison, jail, or on either probation or supervised release. When you add to that the number of people who have competely discharged from their sentences but remain stripped of Constitutional rights, except those that the Government chooses to grant them, [Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 919 How.) 393, 15 L.Ed. 691.] is that too many or not yet enough slaves? You cannot pardon a person after you have completely punished him. You cannot give a person a second chance to pay you after they have completely paid to you everything that you were owed. All Americans need to read and understand our Thirteenth Amendment; its enforcement will lead to our redemption.

    • Posted By: EKS25 @ 03/14/2009 12:05:51 AM

      Wow.. I didn't know this..thanks

  • Posted By: Dragonheartxp @ 03/12/2009 6:58:03 PM

    If our prison system were like Mexico or China...the population would surely be less than one half of what is is today.
    Where else can someone that's lazy with no skills get 3 hots and a cot for free?

    • Posted By: EKS25 @ 03/12/2009 9:11:57 PM

      Do you really think people commit crimes to get in jail?

      • Posted By: olderbutnowiser @ 03/12/2009 10:29:30 PM

        Those of us who work in prison don't just think it...we see it and we're told it by inmates!!! Bleeding hearts who don't know diddly think all inmates want to "do better"! Some inmates don't want to/can't leave...Hey PBS, get your a.sses into the prisons and do some interviewing. Ask them if they want to leave, if they have job skills, if they have a support system, AND THEN VERIFY their stories...= who's going to stand a chance, who needs support, and who's just dreaming.

        • Posted By: EKS25 @ 03/14/2009 12:00:50 AM

          If they don't don't want to leave why not just convert some prisons to communities where they could stay. They could work and if we don't need guards etc they could be self-sustained.

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/13/2009 10:11:57 AM

          Then I guess we don't need guards, right?

    • Posted By: olderbutnowiser @ 03/12/2009 10:46:51 PM

      3 hots, a cot, and some pretty darn good medical/dental care, in spite of what many say.

  • Posted By: ESTHER1955 @ 03/13/2009 2:45:59 PM

    Last month, I went to a parole board hearing for the man that killed my grandmother. It was a grisly crime. She was an 80 year old grandmother and he stabbed her 61 times. He has been locked up for 43 years now. We are convinced that if the State of Michigan did not lock him up, that he would have gone on to kill again. Now that there is a budget crunch, he is going to be released. He is over six feet tall and at the age of 61, he is still strong enough to overpower someone again. Are we safe with the grandma killer on the loose? I don???t think so.

    • Posted By: EKS25 @ 03/13/2009 11:57:22 PM

      Nobody in his right mind wants to let killers loose. The non-violent offenders should get out, or even not get in in the first place. Every politician in the last 30-40 years campaigns on being a crime fighter and we have more prisoners than any other country including dictatorships. It is crazy, specially if it costs more than a college. Why should I pay 30 thousand dollars to keep somebody in prison because he smoked some pot. It is crazy!

  • Posted By: babby01 @ 03/12/2009 7:19:15 PM

    I have 2 children, 6 and 16. I have 5 registered sex offenders on my block and it scares me now when they go to school, play outside etc... How many more are going to live here? Instead of putting our hometown families on the front line in Iraq, SEND THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: reinadelaz @ 03/12/2009 8:00:08 PM

      Your suggestion has many merits that should be explored by our federal governernment.

      • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/13/2009 4:56:16 PM

        Yes, because what we really need in this country is an ill-disciplined army.

    • Posted By: hlgns763 @ 03/13/2009 11:20:40 AM

      absolutely wonderful idea....

      not only will they ACTUALLY repay a debt to society, THEY will know what its like to fear for your life. straighten these idiots out.

      watch how fast a wanna be gangster murderer gets his life straight after you drop him off in the mountains of afghanistan getting shot at by people that dont care if they live or die...

      that should be the price you pay for commiting severe crimes....

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