Calling the Baby Ugly

Arne Duncan, the new secretary of education, says that under No Child Left Behind 'we have been lying to students and their parents.'

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  • Posted By: jeaninemm @ 03/14/2009 1:06:44 PM

    There are two related concepts missing from this article and Arne Duncan's remarks. If relationship with a good teacher is of great importance, then reduction of classes size and, more generally, number of students each teacher teaches, must be critical goals.
    If good teaching is critical, and assuming (I'm being ironic) that we believe that people can learn, then teaching teachers, making new teachers into good and better and great teachers, should be a goal. Strategies to reach this goal include setting up systems of mentor / master teachers, providing time in the school day for interactions among teachers in which they exchange ideas on teaching and subject matter, and support for teachers to take courses and participate in conferences.
    Otherwise, isn't it all just luck?

    • Posted By: JohnR22 @ 03/16/2009 6:16:21 PM

      jeaninemm: I'm convinced that a key issue is that we've got substandard K-12 teachers. The relatively low pay, and heavy unionization attract the wrong type of person into the educational fields. We need aggressive, intelligent, self-starters...not risk avoiding bureaucrats who are after a 9 month work year and a gold-plated pension.

      When I was an undergrad (76-80), those kids majoring in Education were an absolute joke. They were the ones who couldn't hack it in any other Major...and everyone knew it. I'm not saying all K-12 teachers are lousy, but far, far too many of them are.

      But, of course, the REAL problem is the utterly failed culture (gangs, illegitimacy, anti-intellectualism) of our Underclass and, increasingly, our Lower Middle class.

      • Posted By: dktacoma @ 04/14/2009 12:04:13 AM

        John R22, I take umbrage to your blanket generalization of teachers as being sub-standard. I believe that if someone said that about your profession you too, would be insulted.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 03/17/2009 10:12:48 PM

      In Russian and China schools, they have 40 pupils in the class (not so much money) - and they still learn. Teachers also usually very ordinary - and still they teach. Did anybody here tried to find out why?

      • Posted By: ronthelibrarian @ 03/18/2009 1:11:51 PM

        Sure, if you want corporal punishment, weeding out of special needs students, longer school days, and most importantly, parents who stress and value education rather than using the school as a babysitter. If a Chinese teacher told parents their child is acting up in class, that child would be severly punished, and the behavior would change. If an American teacher says the same thing, assuming that the parent is actually available, the parent will complain that it's the school's job to teach, and if the teacher is boring, that's the teacher's problem.

        So, no SpEd kids, supportive parents, and, might I add, a culture that treats education as a privilege kids can lose for not keeping up or behaving, are the differences. But try to convince parents of that one, and the many lawyers who make their living suing schools will have a field day.

        • Posted By: dktacoma @ 04/13/2009 11:56:04 PM

          Ronthelibrarian, you are a God! FINALLY, someone with knowledge of what really goes on behind the classroom doors and having enough guts to lay it on the line. It is surprising to me that no one in any type of leadership position doesn't address the real problem in schools. Often times It isn't the curriculum or most of the teachers. It's the clientèle we deal with day in and day out. There are more dysfunctional students in the classrooms these days that take away from the learning of themselves and others. More time is spent, managing behaviors than actually teaching - I know, because I teach in an inner city school. Students are completely aware that nothing can or will happen to them, regardless of what they do (short of killing someone). However, if they have an IEP (SpEd) they can just about kill someone with little ramification. Parents further enhance the dysfunctionality by not allowing, no insisting, their children to take responsibility for their behavior as well as their learning. No Duh, as parents model the same irresponsible behavior themselves. It is very disheartening to be blamed for things I have no control over. Obama has said he favors merit pay for teachers of high performing kids. I would be happy to do that as long as I am not held responsible for things I have no control over (parentage, substances parents took prior to or during gestation, child's subsequent I Q and/or learning capacity, language fluency, attendance, homework completion, health, amount of sleep,..Need I say more?). We can not fix the problem at the school level only. We have to start at the family level and work up. We cannot take 5 years of dysfunctional upbringing and fix it in school. By the time we get the children they are severely damaged and it is almost impossible to fix this damage. We need to eliminate the entitlement mentality. If my children dropped below a B average in high school their car insurance increased, so, if they got anything less than a B, they didn't drive. Simple as that. Drop out? Not an option. Why are kids dropping out of school. Where are their parent/s? If the government is going to hold me responsible for student achievement, they must hold parents equally if not more responsible for their children's academic achievement as well as behavior. I could ramble on and on.....

        • Posted By: led890 @ 03/20/2009 4:37:13 PM

          Other countries hire teachers because they are smart and know what they are talking about. We hire teachers because they know the right answers to questions like "Are you 100% loyal to your school?" and "Would you rather be a doctor than a teacher?" I firmly believe that requiring a Master's Degree in the core subject area for a teacher--not an M.Ed., would bring some serious change to the classroom.

          • Posted By: Artiluna @ 04/09/2009 11:40:12 AM

            We know our content. Of course a person can site an example of the one or two "bad" teachers they encountered, but this is the exception. The simple truth is parents need to support learning from home and work with their children. This is the reality, but it is too difficult to change, so instead we try to force teachers to undergo more training, when most are already proficient to begin with. They only result will be talented individuals fleeing from teaching and entering careers where they are not used as scapegoats for society's problems.

        • Posted By: led890 @ 03/20/2009 4:36:33 PM

          Other countries hire teachers because they are smart and know what they are talking about. We hire teachers because they know the right answers to questions like "Are you 100% loyal to your school?" and "Would you rather be a doctor than a teacher?" I firmly believe that requiring a Master's Degree in the core subject area for a teacher--not an M.Ed., would bring some serious change to the classroom.

        • Posted By: bighappy @ 03/18/2009 10:56:57 PM

          Punishment is not the most important issue why we are far behind, there are several other things. By the way, in Russia ns China they do everything to make children and their parents ashamed of bad grades.

    • Posted By: hackdaddy @ 03/17/2009 9:53:11 AM

      There is a littany of issues such as gang violence, poverty, absentee parents, etc. that are routinely cited as reason for the failure of our public schools. These problems do exist and are the largest causes of the failure of the system.

      The problem is that no one seems to be really ready to take the steps that will be required to fix the failing system. We need to make our schools once again institutions of learning....and nothing else. School is not the place to try to fix all of societies ills. Children ready willing and able to learn should be in our schools. Those that are not should be in some alternative program until they are willing and able to take advantage of education.

      I understand that most of these children are not to blame for the circumstances they find themselves in but on the other hand neither is the student at the next desk being denied a decent education while their school is being used as a combination crisis center, clinic, gang task force headquarters and soup kitchen.

      We need to admit that schools are for learning and that there are or, in many cases, need to be alternatives for social engineering. Until we are ready to leave some children behind (at least temporarily) we are going to continue to keep the rest from getting ahead. Our schools need to be schools again.

      • Posted By: catspaw @ 03/17/2009 2:24:22 PM

        Children who are lost causes, yes, yes, I was one of those who was consider a lost cause. Day dreaming in class all the time, wouldn't pay attention to my teachers the way they wanted me to. They keep passing through from one grade to another.

        Then we moved to another state, had a teacher that was abusive, that was great!. My mother decided to hold me back a grade. THANK GOD. Miss Dancy, she took the time to get to know us, find out strengths and weaknesses. Gave us the extra attented we needed to our weeknesses. We all became stronger with her. For me, I got a one on one reading teacher. The extra help I needed, from my second year of second graded through sixth, I spent one hour a week with our reading teacher for the county.

        When I was sixteen, I found out I have epilepsy, my day dreaming, not paying attention were seizures. Thank God I had a teacher that did not believe we were lost causes.

  • Posted By: docemc @ 04/07/2009 10:23:03 PM

    re::But in 1966, the Coleman Report concluded: "Schools are remarkably similar in the effect they have on the achievement of their pupils when the socioeconomic background of the students is taken into account." That was a delicate way of not quite saying that the quality of schools usually reflects the quality of the families from which the students come.

    Not at all; he is saying that the main predictor of performance of students in a given school is socioeconomic background of the student, not variables relating to the school

  • Posted By: rayg @ 03/16/2009 5:58:53 PM

    We homeschooled our three. The oldest is now halfway through law school in the top third of his class. Our middle daughter just graduated from the local university in Kinesiology with a 3.4 GPA and the youngest has been accepted to Cal Poly Pomona's 12 ranked nationally engineering program out of a local junior college. We did it on a budget of $500 annually per child. The State of California spends $8,000 per year, per pupil. You decide

    • Posted By: mwink22 @ 03/26/2009 9:54:07 PM

      That $8,000 figure is as misleading as the class size ratio statistics provided earlier. From the information provided, none of your children have special needs. I teach in Washington State, there are children in our very small district whose educational costs exceed $50,000/year per child. Federal law requires every child to be educated but does not provide adequate funding to meet the mandate. Many of the countries we are compared to do not attempt to educate their special needs children at all, and those that do do not do so in mainstream classrooms. I am neither arguing for nor against mainstreaming, but am pointing out that we have yet to fund the model as it was designed.

  • Posted By: valwayne @ 03/16/2009 3:48:50 PM

    Duncan sounds like someone who might have a real impact if he were given a chance. However, that will never happen. Obama has already arranged to have his daughter's school mates kicked out of attending their current school as the voucher program in D.C. is cut off at the behest of the Teachers Union. Any attempt by Duncan to improve the quality of teachers, rather than just their salaries, will be thwarted by Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and a party beholden to the teachers union. It's amazing how 50-60 years ago we still had 1 room schools in the country with multiple grades all packed into 1 class, like Little House on the Prairie, and they turned out Spelling Bee champions and math whizes. Yet too many of todays Unionized teachers turn out illiterates, thugs, and 25% plus dropout rates while blaming it on not being paid enough, that being defined as making as much as a Dr. or Lawyer!!

    • Posted By: SCLATeacher @ 03/24/2009 11:38:34 PM

      I take serious offense to the concept of teachers turning out "illerates, thugs and 25% plus dropout rates..." As another person commented earlier in the thread, try teaching in an inner city school for one week before you make such an assinine statement. Yes, the teachers unions need reforming, but so does the mindset of miillions of Americans who think simple "hard work and bootstraps" is the cure all for what ails inner city schools.

      Inner city teachers are NOT paid enough, but I do not profess to believe we need to pour more money into school districts. Rather we need to reallocate the funding that is already there and increase the amount of the budgets spent on students, teaching and learning. There are no easy fixes, but I do believe that Duncan and the Obama administration are going to look out for the best interest of all children.

    • Posted By: SCLATeacher @ 03/24/2009 11:37:58 PM

      I take serious offense to the concept of teachers turning out "illerates, thugs and 25% plus dropout rates..." As another person commented earlier in the thread, try teaching in an inner city school for one week before you make such an assinine statement. Yes, the teachers unions need reforming, but so does the mindset of miillions of Americans who think simple "hard work and bootstraps" is the cure all for what ails inner city schools.

      Inner city teachers are NOT paid enough, but I do not profess to believe we need to pour more money into school districts. Rather we need to reallocate the funding that is already there and increase the amount of the budgets spent on students, teaching and learning. There are no easy fixes, but I do believe that Duncan and the Obama administration are going to look out for the best interest of all children.

  • Posted By: scottconnolly55 @ 03/17/2009 12:12:13 PM

    Must . . . fight . . . urge . . . to agree . . . with George F. Will . . .

    Blast! I've failed. I think many of the posters here miss a point. The argument isn't against smaller class sizes per se - it's about the most effective application of resources. In a perfect world, we would reduce class sizes, increase teacher quality, and renovate public structures simultaneously.

    Currently, we cannot. And the quality of individual teachers is increasingly the most measurable controllable indicators of future achievement (unfortunately, poverty and single-parent households are still greater predictors of performance - one thing at a time).

    Malcolm Gladwell had a great article about this in the New Yorker - I'll quote directly to save time. "Eric Hanushek, an economist at Stanford, estimates that the students of a very bad teacher will learn, on average, half a year???s worth of material in one school year. The students in the class of a very good teacher will learn a year and a half???s worth of material. That difference amounts to a year???s worth of learning in a single year."

    Granted, if we could flood schools with good teachers and lower class sizes, it would be preferrable - however, one does tend to fight against the other (we're already short good teachers, so how do we lower class sizes while enforcing stricter standards?)

    As for the teachers who argue against a full school year - suck it up. We can reduce burnout through other ways - by increasing midwinter breaks, or even having a midweek break all year round. The goal isn't necessarily to increase time spent in the classroom, but reduce the loss of retention caused by long summer breaks. I don't agree with Will's teach twelve hours a day, but we're trying to engage kids during those hours anyway, through community outreach and organizations.

    • Posted By: mpnesser @ 03/24/2009 11:02:32 AM

      @scottconnolly55 Great idea, lets have classes in the middle of the summer when its 95 degrees outside here in the south. Even better, midweek breaks so that the kids have NO supervison at home and no summer camps to go to. How do you lose retention btw? Do you remember everything you learned in middle school? Ever watch smarter than a 5th grader? Why are we trying to solve the problems of education on a national level when every community is different?

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 03/15/2009 10:14:37 AM

    I retired in 2007 after spending a life time teaching in inner city schools in Los Angeles. Will just doesn't get it. He claims that states, pressured by teachers unions, water down their standards. He should have done more research. During my tenure, California issued a mind-boggling set of new state standards. We were required to post them in the room. One educational "reformer" insisted that we memorize the standards, just like Chinese teachers were supposed to memorize Chairman Mao's Little Red Book during the Cultural Revolution. Every day, we had to write the standards we were to cover on the white board (AKA chalk board) and our students were supposed to copy them. If any educational bureaucrat walked into the room, the students were supposed to tell the bureaucrat what standard we were covering.
    Truth told. I had a lot more important things to remember than 3 pages of standards - starting with my students' names. (I normally had to learn about 140 to 180 names within 2 or three days) Then there was a lot of other relevant data about my students that I had to remember - like who did not get along with whom.
    Forcing students to copy the standards while I took role was also a waste of time. Instead of copying standards, I'd find a recent statement made by President Bush, and projecting it on the over head and having my students correct President Bush's grammatical errors. That was a far more relevant activity.

    Many of the standards were either redundant or inane. I particularly hated the standard that required students to "appreciate an author's use of figurative language." As a reader for the AP English exam, I knew that standard was particularly idiotic. It was much more important for my students to know why an author used figurative language. I also felt it was important for my students to know why advertisers use figurative devices like metonymy to convince my students to buy cigarettes or overpriced cognac. (I achieved this aim by spending a Saturday morning shooting billboards in the neighborhood surrounding my school and putting on a slide show for my students called "Figurative language in the 'hood.")
    By the way, George, could you give me an example of metonymy? My students could. And I taught in one of those "failing" public inner city high schools that everyone wants to replace with private schools. (which my students can't afford to attend.) What was George F Will saying about stupid unionized teachers destroying the country?
    The bottom line is that I taught students, NOT standards. That's one thing that none of the so-called educational reformers nor George F. Will seem to understand.

    • Posted By: dahanlin @ 03/19/2009 11:33:13 PM

      Dear Mwalimu -- I agree with you AND with George Will. I taught in Indiana and the level of work required by our social studies standards were below the work I required in both my regular and honors classes, so I ignored them. I think that Will does care about teachers like us who have both intelligence and knowledge. He may over-estimate the influence of unions and he probably underestimates the influence of the sports lobby in most high schools. However, let's join forces with him and take on the school-of-education types and consultants who have benefited the most from NCLB. I taught AP courses, I know how to teach a set curriculum and I know how to prepare students for rigorous testing. My enemy is not the intellectual conservative, it's those medicore administrators who know nothing about teaching except what they learned in some schoold of education weekend class. As an layman, Will may not get everything right, but I would much rather answer to him than to dean of Indiana University's School of Education. As a liberal democrat who wants a good education for all children, I have a lot more in common with Will. .

  • Posted By: dahanlin @ 03/19/2009 11:13:41 PM

    Dear Mr. Will -- You are one of my very favorite columnists though, as a progressive/liberal, I usually disagree with you about almost everything. However, after reading your recent column on NCLB and public education, I was standing and cheering, much to the bewilderment of my cat. I just retired from teaching AP and honors social studies at a suburban Indiana high school. For 31 years, I fought for a tough curriculum stressing content, reading, and writing. I earned a reputation for the number of essays I required. My students consistantly earned high scores on AP exams. Lazy students avoided my classes. I founded the state's largest quiz bowl league and served as AP coordinator for my high school.

    Last spring, in my first conversation with my new superintendent, I informed him that for almost 40 years, I had been told by administrators and other school-of-education types that content, textbooks, essays, and memorization skills were unimportant. Howevr, I continued, my former students constantly told me that the skills they learned in my AP and honors history classes were exactly what they needed in college as they became lawyers, doctors, physical therapists, accountants, city planners, and so forth. The superintendent responded by saying, "Well maybe the colleges should change." That's when I decided to retire.

    You are also correct about state efforts to dumb down their curriculum in order to have good test scores. Many of us teachers scoffed at the idea that "all students" could learn algebra. We did not realize, of course, that the state and schools could change the definition of algebra and improve state test results. After years of "required algebra," in Indiana, Purdue University is increasing the number of semesters of high school math needed for admission. It's a great example of how "more" turned out to be "less" in the strange world of education.

    Now, after all of the agreement, I have to point out an error in your column. According to legends pushed by schools of education and others, the U.S. has an "agricultural" school year of 180 days or nine months. You wrote that it was a legacy of the 19th century, when children were needed on farms for "spring planting and fall harvesting." In fact, crops are planted in April and May and harvested in October, not in June, July, and August. The nine-month school year was created to meet the demand for industrial workers who needed more skills than farm workers. Without air conditioning, schools closed for the summer months. See you really can't trust those schools of ed!

    Don Hanlin
    Greenwood, IN

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 03/16/2009 7:18:54 PM

    Before George F. will decides that finding talented teachers is more important than reducing the teaching load, he should conduct some research. In fact, I'd invite him to measure the floor space in Room 3105, my "home" for about 11 years. Because of the size of my classroom, I couldn't get any more than 36 desks in my classroom. And originally my classroom didn't have 36 desks. I showed up a week before the school year started, and stole a few desks from other classrooms. Whenever I got a class of 40 to 42 students, I did not have enough room or desks to go around - so while some students got desks, others had to make do with impromptu arrangements. Try as you might, it's really hard to make students feel welcome in a classroom where they can't even find a place to sit. It's ironic that the fire department imposes capacity limits on bars, but they don't do anything about over-crowded classrooms. And it doesn't matter how talented you are, you can't increase the floor space of your classroom.
    In addition to space, learning the names of 160 to 200 students in two or three days is a daunting task that Will has never tried. But beyond that, there is a lot of other informal data, you need to pick up on. You need to figure out whether any students are near-sighted, dyslexic, or diabetic. You should find out which students lost a cousin to gang violence, which students have been dumped by their parents and are being raised by their grandmother, which students live in group homes .. the list goes on. The larger the class, the more difficult it becomes to get to really "know" the students. Then, there are the crises, If the girl in the next to the last desk in row street is crying, it's pretty important to find out why. It's harder to do this with a large class where you are always falling over desks to get anywhere. If you teach 41 students during a 55 minute class period, that gives you about 92 seconds or so for each student. Whatever needs or problems an individual student has, you have to solve those problems in about a minute and twenty five seconds.* That arrangement might not bother Will, but if you're really a dedicated and talented teacher that shortage of time for a little TLC really hurts.
    Since I taught English, large classes posed an additional problem. I tried to assign an essay once every 7 days. That really is the only way to develop proficient writing skills. Large classes meant I had a novel's worth of reading to do every night. Reading and grading an essay is only part of the job, I might add. You also need to attach a sheet of commentary, discussing the strengths and weaknesses of each essay you read and constructive suggestions on further improvements. I also tried to make sure my students got their essays back in 24 to 48 hours. Maybe Will should trying doing that - not once, but every other evening for an entire school year.
    Before Will decides that large classes are great, he should try teac

    • Posted By: pottfullofpith @ 03/17/2009 1:11:35 PM

      I do not dispute the accuracy of Mwalimu's account, but i wonder when this experience of overcrowding dates from and how common it was then. Are we describing a couple of bad days when another teacher's illness obliged combining classes? Or did Mwalimu teach for 30 years with 40 students in the room? Relatively recent statistics from the LA Unified School Dictrict, which is where I beleive Mwalimu asserted she worked, suggest that it probably is not common now, if it ever was. Enrollment is 718,000, and the number of teachers is 36,180, for an overall ratio of just under 20:1. I recognize that some schools and some classrooms may be overcrowded because the populaiton of the neghborhood has outgrown the school, and that to the teacher in the room, the crisis is immediate and personal and the reason for the crowding is immaterial. But for purposes of discussions of educatinal policy, individual instances of non-systemic overcrowding are just dust in the air, confusing rather than clarifying. Individual instances are issues of allocation of resource, a management issue, not an issue of quantity of resource, a budgetary or policy issue.

      • Posted By: mrhale @ 03/17/2009 11:10:36 PM

        Try not to be persuaded by overemphasized statistics acquired with simple division. Your numbers regarding the LAUSD student population may be accurate, though the term 'teacher' is loosely applied when it comes to ratios. How many of your 'teachers' are actually classroom teachers? Most school staffs are comprised of 35% non-classroom teachers: related arts, intervention specialists, psychologists, couselors, nurses, etc. This will change the ratio dramatically when applied to true classroom teacher-to-student assignments. Based on your figures: 36,180*.65=23,517. 718,000/23,517=30.53:1. A basic sample survey of a dozen or so of your classrooms should confirm this.

      • Posted By: mrhale @ 03/17/2009 11:08:28 PM

        Try not to be persuaded by overemphasized statistics acquired with simple division. Your numbers regarding the LAUSD student population may be accurate, though the term 'teacher' is loosely applied when it comes to ratios. How many of your 'teachers' are actually classroom teachers? Most school staffs are comprised of 35% non-classroom teachers: related arts, intervention specialists, psychologists, couselors, nurses, etc. This will change the ratio dramatically when applied to true classroom teacher-to-student assignments. Based on your figures: 36,180*.65=23,517. 718,000/23,517=30.53:1. A basic sample survey of a dozen or so of your classrooms should confirm this.

  • Posted By: 1Blackcitizen! @ 03/17/2009 10:27:09 PM

    You eggheads are boneheads and brain dead. It doesn't matter about teachers books or schools. An education is predicated on parents and parenting. Your billions of dollars that you take from me to give to others can't buy stable families or prevent the avalanche of teen mothers. The breakdown of the family structure and lack of discipline that has resulted due to the political correct abdication of responsibility is the problem. Other than that this was a well written editorial, albeit, way off the mark.

  • Posted By: larrytimm @ 03/17/2009 9:00:19 PM

    It would be great to offer the older teachers a one time buy-out like business and industry does. That would get rid of many of the older teachers, add new young innovative teachers (at a LOW pay scale) and help local districts struggle with the budget (due to the older teachers in the upper salary bracket). When one does the math, it is incredible the savings that districts and states can have. I am a VERY much a conservative but I do crunch the numbers.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 03/17/2009 10:08:18 PM

      You can change teachers, pay them more or less - nothing will chage if to keep the same programs and the same approach to education.

  • Posted By: Nowforsomemoretruth @ 03/17/2009 8:10:49 PM

    Why are so many journalist who should be competitors working together on the left? Objective journalism is dead in America.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 03/15/2009 9:38:31 AM

    A decline of +80% since 1/23...What up with that???? Kool-Aid wearing off????

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 37% of the nation???s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-one percent (31%) now Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +6 (see trends).

    This is the ninth straight day that the President???s Approval Index rating has been in single digits. Previously, the rating had slipped to single digits just once.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 03/17/2009 3:24:46 PM

      Holy your not even educated enough to understand this article. Just don't comment.

  • Posted By: torqueflite @ 03/16/2009 2:29:13 PM

    Want two parents for disadvantaged kids as George Will suggests? Let gay adopt.

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 03/17/2009 3:22:03 PM

      Like in "The BirdCage", Val was the only one in his frat that did not come from a broken home.

  • Posted By: scottconnolly55 @ 03/17/2009 12:12:49 PM

    Must . . . fight . . . urge . . . to agree . . . with George F. Will . . .

    Blast! I've failed. I think many of the posters here miss a point. The argument isn't against smaller class sizes per se - it's about the most effective application of resources. In a perfect world, we would reduce class sizes, increase teacher quality, and renovate public structures simultaneously.

    Currently, we cannot. And the quality of individual teachers is increasingly the most measurable controllable indicators of future achievement (unfortunately, poverty and single-parent households are still greater predictors of performance - one thing at a time).

    Malcolm Gladwell had a great article about this in the New Yorker - I'll quote directly to save time. "Eric Hanushek, an economist at Stanford, estimates that the students of a very bad teacher will learn, on average, half a year???s worth of material in one school year. The students in the class of a very good teacher will learn a year and a half???s worth of material. That difference amounts to a year???s worth of learning in a single year."

    Granted, if we could flood schools with good teachers and lower class sizes, it would be preferrable - however, one does tend to fight against the other (we're already short good teachers, so how do we lower class sizes while enforcing stricter standards?)

    As for the teachers who argue against a full school year - suck it up. We can reduce burnout through other ways - by increasing midwinter breaks, or even having a midweek break all year round. The goal isn't necessarily to increase time spent in the classroom, but reduce the loss of retention caused by long summer breaks. I don't agree with Will's teach twelve hours a day, but we're trying to engage kids during those hours anyway, through community outreach and organizations.

  • Posted By: Harry Voyager @ 03/16/2009 11:09:16 PM

    My personal opinion, it is that "from afar." that is the issue. The White House is simply to far away from local school districts, and their results to ever truely be able to have an impact, or see the results of the impacts it has. Education is a true local issue, the way sewage systems and traffic lights are, and can't be managed by people who are on the other side of the country.

  • Posted By: Big Sam @ 03/16/2009 4:06:33 PM

    Well I would have to say as a student who dropped out last year and got a G.E.D. and is ow attending university classes I do not blame the teachers for not caring or doing as good of a job as they could because i went to one of the poorer districts and I had one of the highest I.Q.s at over 140 and it was not because of the teachers i dropped out but because of my own personal choice in the matter kids today see a world of glitz and glamour and they think school will not get them there I mean i had some of the most caring teachers supporting me and still do even though I have moved on from high school you need to start looking at the filth in washington who are corrupt and pathelogical liars before we turn on our educators because without them we would not have our doctors, lawyers, ect.

    • Posted By: Denizen @ 03/16/2009 9:39:56 PM

      Are you trying to look like a moron, Big Sam? Because you???re doing a pretty good job. Politicians are to blame for you dropping out of school and not following basic rules of spelling, punctuation, and grammar? If you actually have as high an IQ as you claim, you have wasted it to date. I once heard someone say the United States has the worst 20 year olds in the world, but the best 30 year olds. That???s because at some point--when they???ve been out of the education ???system??? for a few years--these people realize they are accountable for their own success. They then drop the adolescent self-absorption and whining about unfairness. They realize that they have to produce something or provide a service, and that the rest of us are not required to tolerate their near-incomprehensible drivel.

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 03/15/2009 8:18:59 PM

    USA spend much more money per student than any country in the world, and still has one of the worst graduates, no surprize that almost any foreigner in US univercities has higher grades than native born Americans.
    Another fact: inside US the worst public schools suck more money than the best.

    American education is a joke.Math program is laughable (in Russia and China 8-graders know more than US High School graduates), physics does not exist in High School at all. No homework (??). So-named exams with their multiple-choice answers stimulate memorizing facts rather than creativity and deep knowledge.

    It is hard to believe that Bush graduated form one of the best univercities with high grades, so Obama has nothing to brag about.

    Who is he most popular students in US schools, the best students? No, on the male side it is sportsmen and drug dealers, on female side - cheer leaders and whores.

    The most stupid solution will be throwing more money, just learn how other countries do it. I did not hear from any President or Education Secretary that it is their plan, they prefer to invent our own stupid ways.

    • Posted By: JohnR22 @ 03/16/2009 6:11:30 PM

      bighappy: You're largely correct, but I'll point out that there are really two Americas. There is the inner city which is largely minority (black/hispanic) that is completely disfunctional. The test scores, graduation rates, and failed culture is MUCH worse than in any third world country.

      However, the other America is in the Upper and Upper-Middle class suburbs. I assure you, the children in those schools are doing as well as their counterparts in any European nation. These are the children that are achieving Undergraduate and Graduate degrees and will one day be running the country.

      America's numbers look bad because they're skewed by the Underclass in the inner cities and Lower-Middle class neighborhoods.

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 03/16/2009 9:37:51 PM

        I was just talking about middle-class schools.. My children studied in good MA schools. My pretty lazy oldest daughter was average in math and science in Russia, started here from 9th grade and all her math ans science education was in remembering what she studied 3-4 years ago in Russia. My yongest daughter started from the first grade, spent very happy and easy years in public and private schools getting As and A+s and having 100% SAT, and now continues the same happy voyage in one of the best US Univercities. When I checked her knowledge, I was not so happy, it is a B level in Russia, but how can I encoutage her to learn more if she is alrewady the best here?

        Another issue with American education: my daughrt with all her awards and 100% at all sorts of SATs still was granted only 50% scholaships, while sport (???) scholaships are 100%.

  • Posted By: mpnesser @ 03/16/2009 3:21:35 PM

    As a teacher I find this line of thinking absurd. Now instead of throwing money at the problem we will throw time at it too! Show me a professional who supports extending the school day and year and I'll show you someone who has spent little to no time in a classroom. Kids like adults suffer from fatigue and burn out. Anyone with experience will tell you that as the day wears on students wear out with it. While these ideas may work in Chicago, few ideas can be applied nationwide with any degree of success. Also where will the money come from to support the extra days spent at school along with the extended hours? I would imagine that you would have to increase teacher pay to reflect the extra work load. In my state, teacher pay is tied to property tax and I have serious doubts that will be raised in the near future. I guess the brilliant Mr. Duncan, who has never spent time in the classroom as a teacher, will figure out a way to attract new highly qualified teachers to work for less pay and less time off. Perhaps that is why he would rather 100,000 new teachers as their salary would be far less than the 100,000 with experience. Better yet, lets tie pay to "merit" so that anyone who teaches with half a brain will flee the under performing schools for one with gifted kids in order to get a raise. Every administration has new ideas to fix the problems in education when these problems are actually at home. Fix the parents and let the kids enjoy the summer. But wait, that would kill Obama's plan for adding jobs as those burger flipping summer jobs that employ teens will not become instantly available.

    • Posted By: JohnR22 @ 03/16/2009 6:05:44 PM

      mpnesser: My sister was a K-12 public school teacher for 25 years and you remind me of her. She too reacts very emotionally when there's talk of extending the school year. I find your reasoning unconvincing. If burnout is such an issue, why does the extended school year work so well in Japan and Europe?

      I'm all in favor of extending the school year, raising academic standards for kids, and raising teacher pay accordingly. Of course, that comes with a price tag...for YOU. The price tag is that the Union must be abolished and academic standards for teachers must be raised signifiicantly...with regular recertification. Unfortunately, if this were done, a significant portion of today's K-12 teachers would have to find another line of work because we definitely don't have the Best & Brightest teaching in our schools.

      • Posted By: mdteacher @ 03/16/2009 8:48:59 PM

        You are making very broad generalization about who teachers are. I graduated Magna *** Laude from a prestigious liberal arts school, and I have two masters degrees. I was a National Merit Scholar and my ACT scores were in the low 30s. I'm a high school teacher in Baltimore City, and before I entered the school system, I could not have imagined the third world conditions that exist in the United States. The general public has absolutely no idea what daily life in the inner city is like. It's not a TV show. It's shocking. It's shocking that most people in this country care so little about what is happening to inner city and rurual children. It's so much easier to simply blame all of the problems on teachers unions. I'm not especially pro-union, but the union was the only group that fought for me when I had 55 students in one classroom. My administration didn't have a problem with it, and the one parent on the PTA had other concerns. As a teacher, I think class size is huge factor in the success of students. I echo all of the thoughts expressed by the English teacher in her post. Students who do not receive much enrichment at home respond better in a classroom where they can receive some individual attention. They need it. If a case can be made for an extended school year and longer day, like at the KIPP academies, then I'm willing to entertain it. However, I also expect to be compensated for that extra work because I'm not doing charity. Teaching is my profession. (By the way, I've spent thousands of dollars buying necessary school supplies over the years.) My question to you is this - what are you doing to fix education in this country besides jumping on the convenient bandwagon of bad-mouthing teachers? Have you spend an hour in an inner-city school? Let's deal with reality, here.

  • Posted By: Tabi @ 03/16/2009 8:03:41 PM

    I do have to agree that not all of the best students are going into education. I remember my friends who said that they wanted to be teachers, and most of them were at best hard workers of average intelligence. I remember my 8th grade math teacher admitting to one of his students who took an SAT early (to see what it was like) that the kid beat his score when he was first entering college.

    That said, we need to learn to know how to operate our education system without using all the best and the brightest for teaching. We do not need mathematics prodigies teaching middle school math. My 8th grade math teacher new his material well enough to teach math well--algebra isn't that difficult. We need a system that can deal with having teachers be roughly average. I want the best and the brightest scientists researching something important, not teaching me about the conservation of kinetic energy.

    It is all too easy a position, to say that better teachers will help. I would also like better leaders and better judges. Maybe better teachers will give me better leaders and judges, but not if good leaders have to become teachers to do it.

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