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  • Posted By: PacificGatePost @ 07/27/2009 9:52:34 PM

    Whatever else your crystal ball tells you, it should be whispering "continue to save." This is not what economists or Wall Street want you to do. Ignore them. We're in for a long dry spell.

    Recessions inevitably deliver capitalism a bad rap.

    History shouts that dependence on government becomes dangerously habitual, and leads to loss of liberty. That goes for individuals, as well as for businesses.

    http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/07/government-vs-capitalism.html

  • Posted By: rjkardo @ 03/24/2009 7:39:54 AM

    This article is based on a very simple misunderstanding. Capitalism is not under siege. It is self-destructing.

    • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 03/25/2009 12:46:18 AM

      Hmm really? So what happened in the Soviet Union? If capitalism and communism are self-destructive, what does that leave us with? Fascism? Monarchy?

      • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/25/2009 2:22:36 PM

        Neither. Capitalism and communism are economic principles, and monarchy and fascism are forms of government.

        • Posted By: solerso68 @ 04/10/2009 5:39:43 PM

          After reading this frigtening piece of...writing, Im more certain than ever that capitalists, the wal st. variety, are out to destroy American democracy. The example of "vindictive" regualtions the author cites, such as the securites exchange commision, income tax, anti trust laws and the EPA are viewed overwhelmingly by the majority of Americans as wise and necessary. The author cites as a preconditon for "succesful" capitalism, the idolization of profit motive, and claims that American political and legal systems exist to create "public acceptance" of capitalists and their way of life. SHOCKING, and infuriating statement. Also supirsing. I thought capitalists of the sort the author appears to belong to, went extinct by 1950. America, and its "political and legal institutions" exist to uphold representative government, and the US constitution, WHICH ARE THE AMERCIAN WAY OF LIFE.... not fumbling in the greasy capitlaist till. Right wingers and thier republican sock puppets have for long conflated capitalism with Christianity, making an idol of (legendary) free markets, and well thats a matter of personal morality i guess.. when i hear them start conflating American deomcracy with capitalism...those are fighting words. The author should take note that according to a recent poll, only 53% of American believe that capitalism "is the best economic system ". And most regualr working people, have a highly idealized concept of capitalism; they think that corner barbershop, or small home improvement contractor = "capitalism. Contrary to the lunatic Glen Beck, it is the market sharks and dandies who are "surrounded".

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 03/28/2009 8:09:27 PM

    America has been Gone for Quite some time...

    Long Before President Obama took the oath and None of You worried about that Dumb Tough Talking Oil Baron Texan, who Destroyed the Economy and his..

    "Generational Debt" to Communist-Socialist China.

    China v US money market funds

    Source: The Council On Foreign Relations.

    China???s Purchases of US Treasuries in 2008 (Estimate): $245 billion

    US money market funds purchases of US Treasuries in 2008, from the flow of funds: just under $400 billion

    China???s purchases of US Agencies in 2008 (Estimate): $38 billion. That reflects $85 billion in purchases through July, and $47 billion in sales since then ???

    US money market fund purchases of US Agency bonds: $542 billion

    China???s purchases of Treasuries and Agencies in 2008: $283 billion
    US money market funds??? purchase of Treasuries and Agencies in 2008: $942b

  • Posted By: louisMMVII @ 03/26/2009 6:31:13 AM

    Hey, exploring so-call "economically dubious" projects is the very foundation for progression. How do you think we got where we are now? "Dubious dreaming" in which economics is and seemingly will always be a hindrance. That is a proverb BTW. Saying that capitalism is about risk taking and then turning around and saying that we should not take risks? What a contradiction.

    Elijah (Obama) is setting the stage for the future government of the true king. Where the economic system will be based on Capitalism. Meaning that movers and shakers will have all the right to gamble, however that old noun rectitude will once again be the governing factor. And a splash of Socialism that provides a comfortable, secure environment for those whom have no desire or capacity, albeit intellect, financial predicament, or nerves to move and shake. Opportunity will be in abundance, but, not without the educational effort and mandatory labor experience requirements meaning, that everyone regardless of social disposition should learn the respect of what hard work is. This will help to remove the wedge between the laboring poor and the lazy rich, therefore narrowing not increasing the distance from top to bottom. After a period of this, equality of the species will then come to true realization. I get some close minded conservatives whom fall back on the ol' "You just can't keep givin' handouts", and I say " Giving a shovel to a laborer is providing a tool that will also improve the life of the giver". A welfare check is not a tool. A secure, equal environment, education, and a right to chase a dream is.

    It is tuff criticizing the truth ,but,

  • Posted By: Jimvey @ 03/25/2009 1:47:02 PM

    Interesting that a thoughtful and intelligent column like this, by one of the few Newsweek columnists whose MO is neither pablum nor encrusted in parroted "facts" could elicit the "pitchfork" response of the previous poster. A troll, perhaps, though considering some of the other comments, ya gotta wonder.
    A poster remarks: " Capitalism is like owning a Fiat. It looks great, but it's in the shop 15% of the time."
    Unfortunately, and lest we forget, the wonderful socialism only comes in gray (sounds wondeful, however) and is in the shop all of the time. It is a fact that in capitalism, some people are poor. Unfortunately, in socialism, everybody is poor.

  • Posted By: KEN BERLIN CT @ 03/23/2009 5:35:54 PM

    This is for the republicaninmass
    ARE YOU DILUSSIONAL OR JUST ON DRUGS??????
    Blaming Democrats? WoW I guess you don't read much, well that is, fact based non political realisms I mean. Oh yeah did I mention I was once a republican and I voted for McCain.

    I know that as soon as Bush got into office gas prices jumped up 20%. That he has spearheaded the bankrupcy laws that take all of the responsibilty off the banks and puts it all on the people. I say it should all be on the banks. 20 years ago you had to be god to get a credit card. Prove you could pay it back. Now the banks send them in the mail pre approved. It is their fault more than consumers. We are in a false war where my friends, relatives, and countrymen are dying over lies and scret political agendas. I remember Bush saying on TV we would be paying less than 1 dollar for a gallon of gas, good call on that one at 4.20 last year and now back up over 2.05 today. Trillions of dollars in debt when he came into office his predecessor was paying down the debt. And now Obama has to spend trillions to clean up his mess. But I guess thats OK, Cheney made his millions too. I have no love for either side of the aisle. One term in office is enough for every lawmaker. Just look at Dodd, point made. Every one of our Senators is so disconnected with this country because they are too damn old. Do you realize that every Senator in office right now was born before Howdy Doody was taken off TV. One senator, six years, GET OUT! I think if politicians were only allowed one term, they would do a great job because they would need to get a job when they were done, not just making a career out of outsliming the next guy.

    • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 03/24/2009 8:00:14 PM

      what time is it, kids?

  • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/24/2009 5:48:52 PM

    Capitalism is like owning a Fiat. It looks great, but it's in the shop 15% of the time.

  • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/24/2009 11:28:17 AM

    Go peddle your pablum to people who are interested in being sheep, Samuelson.

    • Posted By: sanityindesmoines @ 03/24/2009 5:04:00 PM

      Yeah, you know, a few years back I would have agreed wotj you. But, as it turns out, capitalist economics, like all transactional games, requires rules and someone to enforce them. in what way exactly was Bernie Madoff "encumbered" by statism and excess government when he swindled people out of billions? Unfortunatlely, for every Bill Gates, there's a Bernie Madoff, and for that reason alone, neither capitlaism nor pit bulls should go unfettered.

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 03/24/2009 7:09:39 PM

      • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/24/2009 5:43:09 PM

        I am not certain what that has to do with what I wrote.

  • Posted By: obiwan @ 03/24/2009 12:39:14 AM

    While I share the anger and disgust at Wall St it is important to remember that the congress is entirely made up of morons. They spend our money like idiots and run the government like a forgotten hobby. For the whole of my lifetime they have taken the easier, stupider way out in nearly every situation. It is no small part our government has had in ruining this great country. Unless the corruption that guides every member of congress can be removed things will only continue downhill.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/24/2009 5:47:20 PM

      "While I share the anger and disgust at Wall St it is important to remember that the congress is entirely made up of morons."

      That's one possibility. However, if you assume that congress isn't actually working for the people, then stupidity is no longer the sole explanation.

  • Posted By: ro50n16 @ 03/24/2009 2:59:32 AM

    Capitalism is dead. We're now into higher taxes and much higher Govt. expenditure. This is a disaster as tax revenues will collapse and the deficit will spin out-of-control. There is no saving this system.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/24/2009 5:46:09 PM

      The system did it to itself. With a little help from Clinton and a republican congress.

  • Posted By: bradharper @ 03/24/2009 12:32:14 PM

    The majority of American's ( nicholas.gough etc.) don't understand Capitalism. They yearn for the prosperous benefits, but fail to explicitly identify the cause - freedom. The rights of the individual to think, act and maintain the results of doing so have been under political assault for the last century. To the extent that these rights are encroached upon our standard of living will erode. What do you expect will happen to any great achievement when you continue to rip out it's fundamentals?

    Greed, whatever that really means, is virtually impotent in a system where the Government doesn't step beyond its proper scope. Whenever you feel the urge to scream greed, check for a governmental tampering in that market - it's always there.

    Phony currency, antitrust meddling, our nightmarish tax code - for America to survive they *all* have to go. It's time for this country to make a choice; freedom or statism, wealth or poverty, life or death? We've tried having it both ways and the results are painfully clear.

    Until our culture learns to accurately distinguish economic power (market share) from political power, to maintain a sincere reverence for rights and justice, and to discard pragmatic ignorance such as "government creates jobs" or "unfettered greed" - the American essence is at stake.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/24/2009 5:45:30 PM

      " antitrust meddling"

      1904 wants its mistakes back. Thanks.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 03/24/2009 5:44:42 PM

      "Whenever you feel the urge to scream greed, check for a governmental tampering in that market - it's always there."

      Bernie Madoff? What?

      The problem with you laissez faire market types is that you don't realize that without some form of law, freedom is impossible.

  • Posted By: nicholas.gough @ 03/24/2009 9:47:16 AM

    Greed is under siege. People are tired of unchecked, unfettered greed and avarice. Our country is built upon capitalism, but without checks and balances and a need to heed the will of the people, not just the wealthy, is necessary for us to survive as a democracy. We need the wealthy, but we also need for all people to really listen to their inner voices, their religions and avoid the temptation to acquire as much as possible, whether it be money, power or position.

  • Posted By: ocodan @ 03/24/2009 8:49:36 AM

    For years we were told that government was the problem, that the private sector could solve everything. Then the Savings and Loan scandal happened, then Enron, then Worldcom. Big Business had taken over government and had thrown out business regulations and it did everything it could to deny the right of individuals to sue businesses - the two key tools to curb business abuse. That led to making the consumer powerless and prey to a host of corrupt business practices - sub-prime loans being obviously the largest one. Then they attempted to seize social security funds for themselves. Then we were falsely led into a war with Iraq by Big Oil. A war which has been run by big business with no-bid, cost plus contracts that inflated the cost of the war by 10 fold at the tax payer expense. It was the largest war-profiteering by business ever that added to our deficit by $3 trillion, not to mention the cost in lives. Now we have the current crisis where they must be bailed out for something they caused but they want bonuses and they don't want to tell us what they are doing with the bail out money, all at tax payer expense.
    Meanwhile, we've lost our 401K retirement, our homes, our jobs, and we are saddled with so much debt, much of it financed from overseas making us vulnerable on the international scene both diplomatically and militarily. And you wonder why we could possible be upset. Ummmmm......

  • Posted By: fredct @ 03/24/2009 8:49:15 AM

    ro50n16, the simple fact of higher taxes & higher government expenditures is not like of capitalism. Thinking the two are mutually exclusive is a blatant misunderstanding or mischaracterization. I don't happen to agree that those will even occur long term (especially the spending, its a stop gap measure to pull us out of our spiral). But someone claiming that returning taxes to 1990s levels is the end of capitalism is silly as best.

    Mr. Samuelson is talking about something far deeper, which we need to be concerned about, but if far different than right-wing talking heads declaring the end of society due to a couple percentage points of tax.

  • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 03/24/2009 1:51:20 AM

    I don't see that capitalism is in any danger. It is, after all, the default economic condition - people have practiced capitalism since they first learned to trade. When everything else collapses, capitalism emerges from the dust. Just look at the managed economy of the USSR and how it was fixed after the collapse.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 03/23/2009 6:42:38 PM

    Given the continuation of human culture as we presently understand the term, capitalism may be around in some form for another hundred years or so, flexible as it may be. However, like the dirigible and the milkman... the demands of social, demographic, and technological evolution have rendered it antiquated.
    Who knows what at comes next, but what is apparent is that whatever form it may take, it is already planted, already gestating, waiting for Spring.

    • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 03/23/2009 8:16:32 PM

      Rewards are always implicit in any economy. Outstanding service or performance is an archetypal economic principle not unique to "capitalism."

      The larger issue is rather how implicitly selfish the system has become; who gets rewarded, how, and how much.

      When any system, however conceived, benefits one person, one group, more than others to the extent that it becomes obvious, invidious, and when elites arise who seem to be taking an unfair advantage of the system, the issue is no longer one of mere evolution, but one of dramatic change; revolution. For verification, I cite any history of any culture, nation, or empire.

      Can we adapt, evolve along the lines of a more generous, more compassionate society or will we be drawn further along into the maelstrom of fear, egoism and self gratification that has marked the last 50 years of this "capitalistic" American/global economy?

      Not a lot of wiggle room left.

      For that reason, you see the uber-capitalists in their death throes flipping the switch for disaster rather than accepting reality as it is. Thus Wall Street tries to hold Obama hostage at a time when the street has virtually no cred left anywhere. Bad bet there. What then of the so-called "intellect'' of the market?

      This is indeed a portrait of disaster in the making, but change will come... it has already happened.

      Do you not see it springing forth?

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 03/23/2009 9:07:27 PM


        Change that follows the relatively gentle contours of evolution is always preferable in terms of human capacity to roll with the punches.

        Nonetheless, the American experiment was born in the radical fires of violent revolution almost a quarter of a millennium ago and since that time, with the exception of the wrenching attempted coup perpetrated by the seceding states in 1861-1865, our national life has presented a more or less predictable pattern of growth, change, and innovation within a context of relative sensibility.

        Today we face the radical disruption of that sensible evolution. Historically, we have tended to take these things rather well (cf. New Deal). Regardless of what those who forget history may tell you, FDR, et al, preserved not only the nation. but the very "capitalism" that was perceived to be the instigator of the evil which befell us as a nation during the Great Depression.

        Thus a Second American Revolution was required to balance the books. Over the shrill objections of obstructionist, racist, and ignorant Republicans and southern Democrats of similar ilk, the nation and its economy prevailed.

        At the advent of a Third American Revolution, everything is up for grabs. And this is so because, apparently, we cannot be trusted with a rewards system in which the best and brightest or the most insulated and selfish can line their pockets at public expense.

        Not everyone in any society is ruthless enough to steal the Thanksgiving turkey and eat it all by themselves. Not everyone goes to Harvard Business School and learns sleight of hand that produces bonds from junk and packets of cash from packaged failure. The rest of us deserve to eat too. Perhaps we will eat the proverbial dark meat and let the money grubbers eat the white. Fiat! One way or another we will eat. And in this the people tend toward ruthless.

        May we therefore avoid the tragedy of another great civil war, but may we return to the reason of our Founders, the social awareness of our saints, and the compassion of our faith in humanity, faith in life itself. May the meritocracy of actual intelligence rule.

        May we thus turn our backs on elitist hucksterism, childish greed, and demagogic foolishness, and continue in the great cause without one shot fired. Truth be told, the revolution has begun.

        • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 03/23/2009 9:25:02 PM


          The Third American Revolution will be peaceful, given that we return to our senses as a nation.
          What is wanting here is a return to classical American values. What is required with great immediacy is a return to, our core humanity, our core sensibility.

          A Return to Sensibility.

          Despairing that, we may indeed become the 21st century Anasazi... the Old Ones who farmed out the land, tried to grow too fast and could not think fast enough to survive.

  • Posted By: elvispayne @ 03/23/2009 7:15:52 PM

    I believe any one in the world from AIG so on are replaceable that is why we need a cap on pay to keep corruption down a lot of unemplyment worker's would love take there job and even do a better job at it .If you have people who only work to get a bonus you will continue to have corruption in the market greedy people who make up stuff from enron to madoff and take the money and run.I believe in the free market and i am sure the American people do as well but if they cannot control there urge to steal from the American people you have to put a stop to it and put Regulation back in like it use to be some people call it socialism now What was it when we were growing up I call it protection from our wallet rich and poor should both live in comfort not just the weathy .I believe the congress and the market let the market fall do you no how many people were about to retire from the 401 plan remember when it started do you believe they wanted to give out all that money to all the retire's do you think the insurance giant's who profit from all the 401 left home with a empty poket all the American's who put money the system are pennyless how sad .We need to put a new law in FDIC insured 401 plan .FDIC set up just like the bank's to protect our money.You can steal from the people but steal one dollar from the goverment and go to prison. we need a law thou shalt not steal from the American people not just the govenment.

  • Posted By: Stuart MacLean @ 03/23/2009 7:13:42 PM

    "Greater government" created "today's economic breakdown".

    Read "A Plea for the Constitution of the United States - Wounded in the House of it's Guardians" by George Bancroft - 1884!

    The Square Deal, The New Deal, the War on Poverty, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Public Schooling, Community Reinvestment Act, 80,000 pages of Regulations........!

    We've sold our souls to the Company Store (the beneficent government "safety net"). It doesn't work. Adam Smith's free market does. His 'Wealth of Nations" hasn't been tried yet. It certainly isn't being read or taught in schools.

  • Posted By: Stuart MacLean @ 03/23/2009 7:04:17 PM

    "Greater government" created "today's economic breakdown". "The Fed, The Square Deal, The New Deal, the War on Poverty", The Community Reinvestment Act, Public Schooling, Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, 80,000 pages of Regulations!

    Philip K. Howard's "The Death of Common Sense" captures the culture quite well!

    We've sold our souls to the company store (government regulation).

  • Posted By: kenfromillinois @ 03/23/2009 6:25:56 PM

    It's the lying media and the corrupt Congress who are screwing this country up. I'm sick and tired of the dumbest people in America having so much power with their lies to the ignorant populace. Cancel your newspaper subscription. Don't watch the dumb networks, nobody watches NBC anyway. And send your incumbent politicians to jail.

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