TJ is a twit, a male but not a MAN. His "conversion" to Islam got him what he was seeking, a discharge from the military two years early. Now this "new" convert to Islam mutilated his own body by having quarter size holes in his earlobes, and "tat's" displaying his SINS! What an insult to Allah! I think the Koran prohibits self mutilation. Of course it does sanction mutilation of Infidels.
NATION
The Guard Who Found Islam
Terry Holdbrooks stood watch over prisoners at Gitmo. What he saw made him adopt their faith.
Published Mar 21, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Mar 30, 2009
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Posted By: ben nevis @ 03/23/2009 4:06:40 PM
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Posted By: wisdomseeker @ 03/24/2009 3:10:31 AM
Well Aren???t you non-judmental? why do people like yourself- who obviously has a very low I.Q- feel the need to ramble on about their insignificant feelings. Regardless of whether or not the man has holes in his ears has nothing to do with the topic. stick to the subject. learn to read.
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Posted By: good104 @ 09/13/2009 9:48:18 PM
you're a dumbass.
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Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 03/24/2009 10:12:56 AM
i dont think you know enough to judge anyone or anything. your not terry holbrooks, and you never will be, so why do you care? have you studied islam rigorously? no? then... shhhhh.... relax... and see that you too have a log in your eye...
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Posted By: good104 @ 03/24/2009 5:36:29 AM
Helbrooke had those holes in his ears and tattoos before the conversion to Islam. If anything, embracing Islam has giving him some meaning to his life, he isn???t a junkie anymore, instead he works in a school. Please go and check through the article carefully. And who are you to pass a judgment on someone who has served in U.S armed forces and was discharge with honor? Were you man-enough to even join at the first place? And why would a guard lie about whatever he saw happened at Gitmo? Is it something that???s a secret anymore? I say people who don't believe that excessive torture did take place at Gitmo are living in fool???s paradise. Let people have their freewill, let them live the way they want to live because that???s the first and primary right that our very own constitution guarantees -for all.
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Posted By: good104 @ 03/24/2009 5:31:46 AM
Helbrooke had those holes in his ears and tattoos before the conversion to Islam. If anything, embracing Islam has giving him some meaning to his life, he isn???t a junkie anymore, instead he works in a school. Please go and check through the article carefully. And who are you to pass a judgment on someone who has served in U.S armed forces and was discharge with honor? Were you man-enough to even join at the first place? And why would a guard lie about whatever he saw happened at Gitmo? Is it something that???s a secret anymore? I say people who don't believe that excessive torture did take place at Gitmo are living in fool???s paradise. Let people have their freewill, let them live the way they want to live because that???s the first and primary right that our very own constitution guarantees -for all.
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Posted By: good104 @ 03/24/2009 5:31:29 AM
Helbrooke had those holes in his ears and tattoos before the conversion to Islam. If anything, embracing Islam has giving him some meaning to his life, he isn???t a junkie anymore, instead he works in a school. Please go and check through the article carefully. And who are you to pass a judgment on someone who has served in U.S armed forces and was discharge with honor? Were you man-enough to even join at the first place? And why would a guard lie about whatever he saw happened at Gitmo? Is it something that???s a secret anymore? I say people who don't believe that excessive torture did take place at Gitmo are living in fool???s paradise. Let people have their freewill, let them live the way they want to live because that???s the first and primary right that our very own constitution guarantees -for all.
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Posted By: good104 @ 03/24/2009 5:30:35 AM
Helbrooke had those holes in his ears and tattoos before the conversion to Islam. If anything, embracing Islam has giving him some meaning to his life, he isn???t a junkie anymore, instead he works in a school. Please go and check through the article carefully. And who are you to pass a judgment on someone who has served in U.S armed forces and was discharge with honor? Were you man-enough to even join at the first place? And why would a guard lie about whatever he saw happened at Gitmo? Is it something that???s a secret anymore? I say people who don't believe that excessive torture did take place at Gitmo are living in fool???s paradise. Let people have their freewill, let them live the way they want to live because that???s the first and primary right that our very own constitution guarantees -for all.
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Posted By: joshw @ 03/26/2009 5:36:41 PM
www.evilbible.com
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Posted By: MarianoApologeticus @ 07/30/2009 5:38:22 PM
joshw,
EvilBible.com is Dead
Large portions of evilbible.com have been considered, dissected and declared fallacious on very many levels.
Two examples of this fact are as follows:
Whilst besmirching the Bible for allegedly commanding rape evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention the most relevant biblical text related to the biblical view of and law about rape. Why this omission? Who knows, but it would certainly have gotten in the way of a good session of emotive expression of prejudice???it would have discredited evilbible.com to reference this most important text. Indeed, those annoying little facts have an annoying way of getting in the way of good fallacious assertions.
Whilst besmirching the Bible for allegedly commanding human sacrifice evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention that the Bible does not command but condemns human sacrifice. Evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention that when the Bible reports that human sacrifices did take place they were carried out by Gentile Pagans who were not worshiping the God of the Bible but various false gods. When ???Jews??? were performing human sacrifices it was only when they turned away from the God of the Bible and joined Gentile Pagans in worshiping various false gods. Yet, in typical militant activist atheist fashion, evilbible.com does not condemn Gentile Pagans but only condemns the Jews.
Some of the resources provided in the original post are as follows:
http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/07/evilbiblecom-is-dead.html
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Posted By: joshw @ 03/26/2009 5:29:33 PM
Find out more what bible as in it"?
www.evilbible.com-
Posted By: MarianoApologeticus @ 07/30/2009 5:32:41 PM
EvilBible.com is Dead
Large portions of evilbible.com have been considered, dissected and declared fallacious on very many levels.
Two examples of this fact are as follows:
Whilst besmirching the Bible for allegedly commanding rape evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention the most relevant biblical text related to the biblical view of and law about rape. Why this omission? Who knows, but it would certainly have gotten in the way of a good session of emotive expression of prejudice???it would have discredited evilbible.com to reference this most important text. Indeed, those annoying little facts have an annoying way of getting in the way of good fallacious assertions.
Whilst besmirching the Bible for allegedly commanding human sacrifice evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention that the Bible does not command but condemns human sacrifice. Evilbible.com, for some odd reason, neglects to mention that when the Bible reports that human sacrifices did take place they were carried out by Gentile Pagans who were not worshiping the God of the Bible but various false gods. When ???Jews??? were performing human sacrifices it was only when they turned away from the God of the Bible and joined Gentile Pagans in worshiping various false gods. Yet, in typical militant activist atheist fashion, evilbible.com does not condemn Gentile Pagans but only condemns the Jews.
Some of the resources provided in the original post are as follows:
http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/07/evilbiblecom-is-dead.html
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Posted By: Suheilah @ 06/11/2009 1:15:05 PM
Bottom line? Believe what you want to believe and let me believe what I believe in peace. I don't agree with the war at all. If it's about religion, then let Muslims stay Muslims if that is what they want. No one has a right to force their culture on anyone else! There are people who are called to be missionaries and spread the truth, if you choose otherwise, that is YOUR choice. Only you have to answer for it...as I do in my walk with my Christian God! It doesn't matter if you think I am wrong. Or that I think you are wrong. This is a hurting world. People are looking for 'something' to cling to, for order, discipline and being accepted into 'something' that they can feel connected to. People are lost. People make wrong choices when they are hurting and when they've seen displays of ugliness associated with what they felt or thought was truth. That is when they are most vulnerable to half-truths. Pray for these people, love these people and do no harm to them. If you think that is me, then pray and love me too! Why can't we be friends? Listen, you believe that Abraham put Ishmeal up for the lamb and I believe it was Isaac...brothers. You chose your path and I chose mine....brothers. Why can't it all be about humanity and not whether you are Muslim and I am Christian or any other faith? You believe we are all born Muslims but we stray away from Islam? I believe we are all born human and are given the choice when presented to us of who God is...from that moment on seals my fate and yours. Does that mean we can't work together and be friends or is that too much to ask because of fear? Fear that what I believe might lead you astray or that someone might think you are not a good Muslim (or Christian) to converse with me, to discuss things? Where is the peace?
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Posted By: Suheilah @ 06/11/2009 12:50:21 PM
Please don't let every single 'Christian' TV personality speak for me! As a Muslim, you want to know about me, read the Holy Bible. Guess what? Christians read the Qu'ran too!! Some visit mosques to find out why you believe what you believe! We just choose another path and what we believe is our true God. We know you as a Muslim know about Jesus and He is one of your prophets, but to us who believe Him when He says He is one with the Father, that he is the Son and that no man comes to God but by Him, that in the end every knee will bow to Him and that we are to follow Him....we Christians take it literally and it's our choice as it is your choice not to. You can follow your prophet, you have the right to think what you think, to live and die as a Muslim....and to even tell others, but realize that so do we!! Now who do you think is really more tolerant???
Regardless, I still want to know about you! I don't think all Muslims are bad, of course not.
I would hope that you would think that not all Christians (the misguided ones as you say) are not bad either. Ever talk to a Muslim who has converted to Christianity? Don't bash them, talk to them and find out why!!!!! Then leave them alone to discover God. The same thing applies to Christians who convert to Islam. Pray for them, then leave them alone to discover their new God. Bashing them and telling them who is right or wrong and so forth only drives them further away from the truth!!!! If either comes back, then embrace them for who they are and love them anyway. Let God do the work in them because He is more than capable of revealing truth on His own! We do NOT need to fight God's battles!!!! He's already won and every Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, any other faith and including Atheist who has already died knows that very well!!! Too bad they can't come back to tell us! I think there would be a lot of surprises if they could!!! Aren't you glad you have the right to choose your fate? I am!
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Posted By: Suheilah @ 06/11/2009 12:49:16 PM
Compare the Holy Bible to the Qu'ran sometime. The Holy Bible came first. Jesus said not to believe any other doctrine, prophet or word that comes after Him because it will be false and that any person taking away or adding to the Holy Bible will be of the devil. Now on that note, if I was born into Islam and all my family were Muslims, and I had it in my head from birth that Islam was the only way, then of course I would not want to convert. I would believe whatever I was taught to believe. l would fight for what I believed because I would believe it as true because I knew no other word. The same for people raised as Christians. We believe what we hold to be truth no matter what you say!
Muslims and Christians are called to tell people about what they believe, and we both do. As a Christian, if you do not accept the Christian God, we pray for you and walk away. We are called to walk in love and peace. You don't think Christians do that from what you have seen? Well NOT everyone who calls themselves a Christian is a true Christian.....duh! Not every Muslim calling himself a good Muslim is one....DUH!!!
It doesn't matter what religion you are worshipping in, sin is sin and people are people.
If you know the truth according to your way and I know the truth according to my way, and we each think we are right and don't want to change....then let us each pray for one another and practice what we want in peace. Don't bash me or call me ignorant or think that you are better than me and PLEASE don't try to kill me!!! God in the end will decide who walked with Him and who did not!
I respect Muslims, I love the people. Our Christian God loves them too!!!
You say Muslims pray 5 times a day, well did you know that Christians are called to pray 24/7, to pray without stopping, prayer in every aspect of your daily walk....even doing the dishes! Prayer is our biggest key, it's our communication with our God!!! Prayer is much more than just bending your knee or saying a predetermined verse! Anyone can do that!
I think the Hijab and modesty is beautiful. Newsflash....Even Christians are called to be modest!! Muslims are not the only ones who wear head coverings or dress modestly. Even some Christian women wear Hijabs, scarves, veils, etc! Maybe you just have not seen them in your area.
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Posted By: Suheilah @ 06/11/2009 12:46:08 PM
This is how I see it and I am entitled to my opinion and views just like everyone else on the face of the Earth....no matter what, right or wrong to you or any one else. I am a Christian and will always be a Christian. I was not raised as a practicing Christian by my parents (non committed 'Christians') but I was raised in the USA which is a country founded on Christian principles no matter how you might like to think not. Of course now the country has fallen away into un-Godly things, such are the times and prophetic words kick into play....these are the last days. Doesn't matter what you think, it is what it is. I found God, got saved, what ever you want to call it when I was a child. I went to church, sought God continually and found Him as a Christian. I've been through the Christian yahoo this and that and who's right, who's wrong, where to worship, what about this doctrine and so forth, hypocrits in the church, bad preachers, media pick on a Christian day, tv evangelist crap, missionary foul ups, etc., etc., and I STILL love God and am a Christian. You wanna know what I believe about all is Christian vs. Muslim stuff? No, well whatever because as a Christian I get to speak out too! Even if you don't like what I have to say.
"There is no God but JEHOVAH and Jesus is his son" No matter how you look at it, no matter what you believe, no matter if you are a good person or a bad person, no matter in what religion you were born into, or you choose to worship or not worship....the only thing that really matters in the end is JESUS. If a Christian lives his whole life by the Word of the Holy Bible and in the end there was nothing, it would have still been a good life to live and the assurance of Heaven versus Hell would have been worth a lifetime of walking with Christ.
Now am I deceived? Nope. But that's what I believe! Do I think you are deceived, of course I do, BUT you have the right to choose! That's the beauty of it. I won't throw it in your face, as I hope you don't throw it in mine. If you believe nothing, that is YOUR choice! Don't be a little bit of both, go all the way in your faith walk, or lack of it. Just respect me, as I you do for your free choice!
Whole nations have been deceived by straying away from the Christian God. Ever wonder why Christians are persecuted, bashed, talked about, looked down on? It's not the Christian who people hate, it's God who people hate. Human nature wants to live in sin, God says not to. People don't want to worship a God who does not allow them to live in and walk in sin aka doing whatever you want to do because it feels good to you and isn't hurting anyone.
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Posted By: ibrjvd @ 05/27/2009 1:25:52 AM
I think it would be enough as an expamle for the whole world to understand the facts and essence of ISLAM. Here we are, invite everyone to come to the real religion of this universe; ISLAM.
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Posted By: camaramo2003 @ 05/26/2009 12:46:03 AM
to barik..i dunno wat u talkin about..u just talk 2 talk barik..u need 2 read n tell da truth..u ignorant..
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Posted By: Sashland @ 05/24/2009 1:55:38 AM
why would anybody think that any muslin has EVER been violent? Don't ya know that all muslins are non-violent? Just go talk with the peaceful muslins at Guantanamo...
Lot's of liars spouting forth distortions, propaganda, and falsehoods to cover up the anti-liberal expansionist violent false tale in that little green book.
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Posted By: tonystarks @ 05/07/2009 3:01:44 PM
both christianity and Islam which are fundamentality alike. u go to a community that beliefs in a god (the same one) and you find morals and rituals that you like. They have both caused war and rligion is a requirement for war. Both faces Islam and Christian promote death and hate as well as peace and love. Dont hate on your brothers were all equals in the eyes of god, Muhamed and Jesus would be ashamed of all of us.
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Posted By: sa'ad @ 04/26/2009 11:58:25 PM
after the afghan war, after desert storm, after chechnya, after bosnia, after 9/11, after the danish cartoons, after every attck agianst islam, more and more people esp. from the west studied islam and ended up converting.
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Posted By: Azariel @ 03/26/2009 6:48:31 PM
Hhmm
Let me see who wrote the bible
men wrote it to rise into power not to advise men but to still from those misfortunes people who try of every day life to get a pissed of bread and from does children who only parents are the streets where is Christians way when we are supposed to be the best country
I hear the cries every day but nobody answer
Catholic raped kids as well nuns get pregnant and berried the children on the walls of the church so who do we all preach too
and you all call for god for help who saved among you the new baby born from the Catholic church
Christian still for the people Preachers make them selves rich just by saying Alleluia
so the bible supposed to be the words of all mighty words that were written down correct but men are liars so who do we trust the Bible was created by men
What happen to the rest Evangelist words they were taken away by a king NIV King James version who cares the scripture of men is lies and way to seduce people to get closer to hell
He did the correct thing fallow his heart he saw hi salvation towards Allah
Beside who cares about the USA slowly but shortly is becoming communist
The people gave power to the politics and the politics become rich on the sweat of the people
Thanks to ignorance of its people
Freedom of speech kiss my ass
Freedom of the press kiss my ass
Freedom of religion kiss my ass
You all talk but no action this generation is bunch idiotic Special Ed ignorant f!@#!@ people this nation is going to some ***
Prove to me actually not to me but to the people that Jesus Christ came for religion and he did not came for salvation
If this is the case you wrong then I shall become Jewish for Jesus was a Jew and a brother I fallow the path of Allah-
Posted By: JesusIsLordAmen @ 03/26/2009 6:59:27 PM
Azariel,
Allah is the devil. Jesus is the truth, the way, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through the son. Allah and his prophet is the disguise of the devil. Jesus has RISEN, Glory be to God, the one true God, The God of the Jews, the God who made himself man to become a sacrifice so we could enter into a relationship with him. Put down the evil Koran, and pick up the Bible. Your hostility will reduce. Muslims degrade women, and Muslim men beat their wives. You know this, we all know this.-
Posted By: spark @ 04/19/2009 5:19:02 AM
you are some ignorant f..k! You must be american. lol Could you enlighten us and tell us whether you know that there are some 25 million arabs who are coptic christians. Which means they have been christians since before islam. which by the way speaks about tolerance existed in early islamic states. And when these arab-christians turn to God and start calling on him, what do you think they say? They do not speak english, so they do not say G-O-D. They call for Allah. It is the perfect name for the only God there. I wonder how a loving christian like you can insult his fellow brothers in faith by making such stupid remarks. You be be reading some other books too, not just your bible
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Posted By: spark @ 04/19/2009 5:16:43 AM
you are some ignorant f..k! You must be american. lol Could you enlighten us and tell us whether you know that there are some 25 million arabs who are coptic christians. Which means they have been christians since before islam. which by the way speaks about tolerance existed in early islamic states. And when these arab-christians turn to God and start calling on him, what do you think they say? They do not speak english, so they do not say G-O-D. They call for Allah. It is the perfect name for the only God there. I wonder how a loving christian like you can insult his fellow brothers in faith by making such stupid remarks. You be be reading some other books too, not just your bible
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Posted By: da_faz408 @ 03/26/2009 7:22:02 PM
your pretty god damn stupid. jesus is the son of the holy spirit. he is not got you moron. why dont you go read some history before you come out here and say some thiing you dont know. Islam is a religion of peace y do you think 1 of the biggest population of religious beliefs is Islam. dont come out with that BS. look your bible compared to the Koran. The Koran has been the same has never changed. On the Other half the Bible has the Old Testimonies and the New. so please tell me that. Islam is not the devil nor any other religion everyone has theyre own belief and if you got something to say then you keep that yourself. Another thing i dont think you have the Big Balls to come out here to iraq or Afghanistan. why cuz you wouldnt last you would b scared shitless comin here. Muslims are peaceful people y dont you start gettin your facts straight.
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Posted By: moseyere @ 03/26/2009 10:58:53 PM
DA FAZ408...I HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE ANSWER. IF ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE THEN WHY DO MUSLIMS STRAP BOMBS TO THEMSEVES AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPEL. WHY DID MUSLIMS KILL SO MANY AT THE WTC? WHY? HOW DOES KILLING IN THIS WAY MAKE ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE? WE ALL WANT TO KNOW. PLEASE EXPLAIN SO WE UNDERSTAND WHY ISLAM KILLS?
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Posted By: Stillmountain28 @ 03/27/2009 8:31:41 AM
YOU ALWAYS SPEAK ABOUT HOW VIOLENT MUSLIMS ARE AND OH MY ARE YOU GUYS PEACFUL HUH!!
alqaeda killed more than 5000 innocent civilians in the west, while the bush administration killed thousdands and thousands of inoccent civilians in iraq, palastine, afghanistan....etc THIS IS AN UNBELIEVABLE ARROGANCE OF YOU..
1000,000 and 200,000 CIVILANS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY AMERICAN TROOPS IN IRAQ
MUSLIMS DIDNT KILL MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE DURING THE CRUSADES
MUSLIMS DIDNT KILL 70 MILLION PEOPLE DURING WWI AND WWII
MUSLIMS DIDNT KILL 6 MILLION JEWS ....
and i will say this once again i dont support the killing of any innocent civilians whoever they might be, it doesnt matter if they'r muslims, christians, jews, atheists, .......etc .....human lives is valuable regarding of who they r or who they worship. i suggest u go got some education about you history enough before u go follow the bandwagon of irresponsible ignorant comments about muslims and islam.-
Posted By: star3 @ 03/28/2009 5:06:36 PM
SM, none of us were even a twinkle on the horizon during the crusades, so what has any of that got to do with this situation? America did not even exist as a country during the Crusades in the 11th & 13th centuries. And, as for the Jews killed in WWII, you can give the Nazis blame for that, Nazis who were commanded by a mad man, Adolph Hitler. You credit the U.S. with way too much power; we are a powerful country, yes, but so are several other countries, such as Russia & China. And since you are spouting off about believing us to be entirely responsible for all the world's problems, were, we, also, responsible for the flood in Noah's generation? Com'on man! Get a grip on reality! The U.S. has never claimed to be perfect, humans occupy this country, same as in any country, not saints. But we're not the ones who are doing the terrorizing of people, either, we're the ones who are trying to stop it. Terrorisum is not just a U.S. problem, it's a world problem, as has been proven when they targeted a Russian school, and England, and the list goes on. Wake up and smell the smoke before your home completely burns down.
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Posted By: JeanF @ 04/15/2009 5:54:20 PM
I'm sorry,but your knowledge of history is very limited, do you think taht the United States haven't ralationship to terrorism?everybody know that the Japanese have committed suicide attacks against us ,the USSR and now your enemies are Muslim extremists, if you want to stop suicide attacks against civilians give them anautomatic weapons you will have a conventional war, to my knowledge the Muslims throughout history have never banned the practice of other religions unlike you that prevents Muslims from praying God,do you know that Muslim requests for Christ? whether you think you are a country of law and respect for humanity stop supporting Israel, which colonizes the second holiest site in Islam and liberate Iraq THE 3rd HOLIEST place of Islam (1 for the Shiites) and stop supporting the Saudi monarchy ....
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Posted By: brydges @ 04/17/2009 11:16:41 AM
JeanF - "Muslims throughout history have never banned the practice of other religions "
The stupidity of that comment makes the rest of your words meaningless. The propaganda of your government and terrorist clerics has left you ignorant and confused.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 1:45:12 PM
Isn't the concept of original sin that yes, we are all to blame for the world's problems? I think that one of Jesus' primary messages was that none of us is perfect, and we should all finds ways to be better (let he who is without sin cast the first stone). Terrorism is certainly a worldwide problem, but you and I, as americans, are only empowered to have what little effect we can on american policy. And that requires tireless self-examination. I can't vote in China or Russia, and a letter from my desk to Mr. Medvedev is unlikely to be read. Furthermore, the rise of Hitler was not the solitary act of a madman. Germans were complicit. Moreover, Europe was complicit and the US was complicit. Are they as much to blame as Hitler? No, of course not. But we all have blood on our hands when the nation that represents us commits a wrong. I am not a christian, but that is as close to a christian ethic as anything, and illustrates the main problem that I have with gospel of wealth born again types, they think that God thinks that they are okay as long as they have faith. Put me in the old catholic model of guilt = good works = salvation (although I don't go in for the last part). Funny, maybe I am the zealot. Good day to you.
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Posted By: Vanamali @ 04/11/2009 6:22:35 PM
The blame given to Hitler is too easy, I do agree that he started the killing but he had a lot of help. Centuries of prejudice and hatred fueld by the church. Recently I cam across an article on Maldovia, where the residents lamented that half the population before WWII was jewish but was later decimated. It shows that hatred against jews was widespread around europe and you can thank the church for keeping the hatred alive. Their hands are coated with blood too not just Hitler
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/28/2009 4:42:23 PM
Still, yeah, we ARE peaceful---until some sh..for brains, arrogrant moron pisss ants attack us for no reason, then they get what they bargined for. America doesn't start wars, but we've ended a few. We will respect the hell out of everyone, and frankly speaking, don't give a rat's fat butt if they want to worship a wart toad, as long as they show us the same curtesy. And you should know there is absolutely no such thing as a fair war, there is only one goal in war:WIN. Yes, civilians die, innocent children die, it's called WAR, and it happens; I have never heard of a war that was fought with throwing marshmellows at the enemy, guns are used, REAL guns, and bombs, BIG ones, so grow up and realize you are living on planet Earth, not in Utopia. No one in their right mind wants or condons war, we hate war, but when attacked, what would you suggest---sitting and discussing the situation with the enemy over tea & crumpets? Nice in theory, Still, but won't work in reality, and yes, it's been tried; this enemy, the terrorist is different than any before; the ones before had the same mindset as we did...to live, but this enemy feels that dieing for their Allah is an honor, that they will be glorified, Well, we're just trying to be accomodating, and help them achieve their goal of being glorified. Guess old OBL believes every Muslim except himself should reach Heaven and collect their reward of 10 virgins, otherwise, why doesn't he show his ugly behind and go right along with the rest of them to obtain that glorification, but no need to answer that, I think we all already know the answer, he sees himself as the organizer, so is exempt from having to actually fight as the peons do Translated, that means he is not only a liar, but is, also, a coward. But he will meet his destiny and be judged, if not in this world, then the next, and we'd be interested to see how he tries to weasel his way out of that.
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Posted By: Arif_bd @ 04/06/2009 3:14:48 AM
Dear Star3, I quote you "Yes, civilians die, innocent children die, it's called WAR, and it happens". BUT Will you ever consider the 4000 people killed at WTC Newyork as civilian casualty of WAR? The war that is taking place since last 50 years in Palestine? The injustice of the Israeli Governments against Palestinian Civil Polulation. The bulldozing, the targeted killing, the shelling the blockage..... Will you sit and wait if your children is dieing for want of milk and baby food.... you being evicted from your homes at some Govt's will...... All this at the ACTIVE support of the U.S. Government. A Blind Support of the U.S. govt towards Israel and against muslims may have made the Al-Qaeda go to WAR against the U.S. . And as start3 rightly said, civilians die in WAR, be it in palestine, afganistan, iraq or Newyork.
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/06/2009 10:22:57 PM
Arif, I agree, it is very sad, the whole situation, and people will, and should do what they have to in order to feed their children under such circumstances. I hate war, and all types of tyrants who want to control and hurt other people, I, especially, feel sad for the children who can't understand what is going on or why they are hungry and hurting. Even adults have a hard time understanding it. I don't know if it is understandable. The one to blame for all the misery in our world is God's adversary, the devil, Satan. I sometimes wonder (in an attempt at amusing, because we need a sense of humor to get us through all this mess being heaped on us, although the situation is far from amusing), anyway, i sometimes wonder " Where is Superman, when you need him?" But, I know our real hero (God) will, eventually, deal out justice; I know that "eventually" is not much comfort when we are suffering now, but God has his timeline, and he is asking for our patience. Some will go to Him before its over, some will manage to survive until He comes to get us, so, while there is not a lot one can say of much hope of things improving, we can offer each other the comfort of knowing it will end, and we will, then have a glorious celebration of victory. Peace be with you.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 12:49:46 PM
Do you suppose that people who served in the US Navy in the Pacific during WWII would agree that suicide missions are a new phenomenon? Something about using a piloted airplane as a projectile weapon seems eerily familiar, although I can't place it... BTW in practical terms there is very little difference between glorifying war and condemening it while simultaneously rationalizing it. America has never started a war, huh? Who started this dust up in Iraq? How about the Mexican War? How about the wars against your brothers, the Indians? The Spanish American War? Vietnam? Oh, you're the person who believed LBJ about the Gulf of Tonkin. I was sure somebody had... Like any great power, the US has started its fair share of conflicts.
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/02/2009 1:38:41 PM
tdcarroll, I prefer to live i the present, and those other wars, and events have loooong (to use your phrase) been past and resolved, so bringing them up is academic unless it's just as a point of interest. War can never be glorified, and any attempt to do so is pointless, war is ugly, but unfortunately, it happens, and none of us seem to be capable of doing much about that, so we just have to do what we have to do in order to survive. I, often, feel that life just pushes us along in directions we do not want to go and we don't always have much to say about it, call it destiny or whatever name you want, but most of us have, at some point in time, found ourselves in situations we do not recall having chosen to be in and confused as to how we got there, but there we are and have to decide how we will handle it. Most of the time, it all turns out well, so maybe we are where we were meant to be at that point in time. Have you ever heard someone say "My life is out of control"? Well, maybe they never had control of it in the first place, or maybe they just feel it is out of control because the place they find themselves at that paticular time is not where they want to be, but they manage, and it, usually turns out fine. Anyway, hope your day goes well, and hope you're where you want to be in your comfort zone, and on that note, I need to get some work done, but want to respond to one other post of your's then will be back later unless something prevents it.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 3:06:25 PM
Also, while those historical events may be long past resolved for you, seeing as how they probably did not effect you in a negative way, they are not necessarily resolved for Mexicans or Native Americans, Iraqis or Vietnamese. Should Jews just get over the Holocaust and live in the present? The Mexican War looks very different in a Mexican textbook than an american one. Is that because they are liars? Does it seem incredible to you that a Palestinian, whose children were killed by an american made and supplied rocket, fired from an Israeli gunship, would hate the rocket supplier, the rocket shooter, and the country (ours) that bankrolled the operation, all the while being told that the only people who fight against those gunships are recognized as terrorists throughout the world because America and Israel say so? How should we change his mind? By not objecting when his uncle or cousin's house gets bulldozed (without compensation) in the interest of building upscale condos for Israelis in the name of God? I can see a few approaches to that problem. 1. Too bad, tough luck, you are not important. 2. Good. You have "chosen" the wrong place to be born and religion to embrace. 3. I am sorry but there is nothing we can do; cutting off the money or missiles for this kind of activity is out of the question. 4. Is there anything we can do to help? Which is the christian way? Might any of these responses inspire you to violence if you were the one whose children were decapitated? I am sorry, but spouting some variation of Sherman's "War is Hell" is not acceptable to me. Now this kind of stuff gets used on both sides, and your average terrorist-funding sheik who sends men to kill and die with the promise of martyrdom is no better than the Isreali colonel who orders the attack, but you must recognize that, as you suggested yourself, most people are just caught in the middle, without control, and if that ever happened to my son, I'd do my best to deal with those responsible. If your house were blown up by a foreign power, would you feel like you were at war, and therefore justified in causing some havoc? As you have said, war involves the slaughter of the innocent. Might you be tempted to target the innocent? When we fail to see the other side of things, we dehumanize the other side (read some of these posts), and when we dehumanize the other side, we can justify just about anything. Let's neither assume that our methods of killing are antiseptic, or that the other side are cheaters because they don't have smart bombs. How about trying to find common ground, through discussion and yes, even persuasion?
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/02/2009 3:56:39 PM
tdcarroll50, again you are misreading and interpeting your own definition of other peoples concepts. Most of us have a strong feeling of dislike for all violence, be it war or from some other source, but, yes, when we are attacked we are expected to defend ourselves it is human nature, animal nature, even an insect's nature to use whatever defense we have against our enemy. And I'm sure you must know that most people are not heartless, they do not delibertly target the innoncent, but in a fight of any kind, the innocent often get hurt, that is a fact, not a pretty fact, but a fact none the less. As for Native Americans , Holocoust victims ect. getting over their traumatic experience, absolutely, they need to, because they will never be completely happy until they do, you don't, always, forgive something for the sake of the one responsible for the trauma, you forgive for YOUR OWN personal peace of mind. We have all suffered some type of pain in our life, and the tendency is for us to resent, be angry, want vengence, those are all human emotions, but once we can get past all that, and accept that things happen which we have no control over, and find peace, we can go on with our lives, and be thankful we survived it. The loss of a loved one is the hardest for us to come to terms with, and I speak from personal experience, as i know others who do. I don't often tell this to anyone, but I am going to share it with you. There was a point in my life when I was about as low in my pain as I though I could ever get, and one day I was pacing the floor, and thinking "Why me, Lord, why me?" That question was the only thought in my mind, i was on a real pity party, and I was totally alone in my home, then suddenly, I actually heard a very clear voice, and the only thing that voice said to me was to ask me a question, it asked "Why anyone?" It did not condem me for feeling sad or sorry for myself, nor did it answer my question of "Why me?" It only asked me a question, two words, but very powerful, for they startled me into realizing how into myself I was. Why did I think I was so special that it was O.K. for bad things to happen to other people, but not to me. Aren't we all guilty of that? We don't actually think of it that way or wish any harm to anyone, but in our own little world of daily happenings, we tend to feel what affects us personally. I was not frightened whenI heard the voice, just surprised. I had never before and have never since experienced anything like that, but It was real. Gotta go, later.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 4:43:20 PM
Well forgive me for saying so, but I have read the Job story, and come away with the opinion that any such god is a sadist. The god of your book slaughters the innocent over and again, and visits the sins of the father upon the son. Too often, I hear people attempting to justify man's inhumanity to other men or terrible misfortune as part of god's plan. If part of his plan is to give kids leukemia, and if Jesus was nailed to a cross despite being without sin, he is no less sinful than some four year old born with a death sentence who gets to suffer every day that he is on the planet. If Jesus was god as part of the trinity, then he had plenty of sin on his head. Compared to that kid, Jesus got off easy, and you can bet that I'd nail MYSELF to a cross, with a smile on my face, before I'd see my son suffer in that way. People who look at human suffering and respond with a big "get over it" either lack the wits to understand what they mean, or the compassion to care. Either way, that is a flaw, not something to celebrate. I am glad for you that you've reconciled your pain, but let me tell you, god had nothing to do with it, as he wouldn't care any more about you than he does about the kid with a death sentence. By the way, you are not allowed to co-opt animal instinct for your purposes. Only an avowed atheist, such as myself, would believe that we are no better than an insect. Remember, god made man and set him apart, giving him reason and granting him dominion over all the beasts of the earth. If I have to argue about animal instinct on one hand, while making sure that my son isn't taught that evolution is a sham on the other, I just won't have any time for my needlepoint.
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/03/2009 12:26:30 AM
God likes variety, that is why He made so many different animals, trees, flowers, and people. As individuals, we will definitely have different opinions, attitudes, abilities, and beliefs, but He loves us all in spite of our faults, not because we have none. I am full of faults, and it is reassuring to know i am loved anyway. Enjoy your weekend----and your needlepoint. :)
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/03/2009 12:19:00 AM
Jesus came to save the sinners, not the righteous, so that is why he associated with sinners. Sickness is part of the sin condition, God did not create sin, Satan did.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 2:07:48 PM
Activism and outrage over inhumanity can go a long way. The prophets certainly thought so (I don't suppose Ezekiel cooked his food over human excrement because he liked the taste). That people feel unempowered is a human malady to be corrected through education about the mistakes of the past. Dismissing something like the Iraq War as long past the point of concern is something that I object to. We can't necessarily correct the past, although a little more effort to reconcile it would be nice, but we can seek to learn from our mistakes (and our successes). Everyone feels out of control sometimes, but the idea that things turn out well for most people seems wrong. There is no putting an objective price on misery, and happiness is available to those who can find it in any conditions, but I am quite a Hobbesian in believing that for most people in most periods in history, life has been and remains objectively unpleasant. That includes the present, and I suspect that if you had to trade places with an Afghan, or even a member of the american underclass, you'd feel differently than you do.
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/02/2009 3:20:53 PM
P.S. TDCarrolol, the suicide missions you were referring to, but could not recall the details, was from Japan during WW11, when they sent suicide bombers out to destroy enemy areas, and in doing so, the pilots were killed.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 3:27:15 PM
Star- again, I was not being literal. I would not have made reference to kamikazes if I could not remember them.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 12:04:23 PM
Star- that is awfully violent talk for a christian, or do you breeze over the parts in the good book about the meek inheriting the earth, turning the other cheek etc.? Earth is not a utopia in part because people like you suppose that it is someone else's job to be decent and merciful. Why do you suppose that your messiah spent so much time talking about ushering in the kingdom of hevaen on earth (would that qualify as a utopia?) Whose job is it to help bring that about, if not good christians. I believe Paul's letter to the Romans suggests that vengeance belongs to god, not america (unless you share the tendency of your bretheren to conflate the two institutions). If I have the correct understanding of the apolcalypse, warmongers are not treated very well, and I doubt that God in his infinite wisdom, will need to rely on passports as a shorthand for good v. evil. See, I, unconstrained by religion, can rationalize war as an unfortunate, though sometimes necessary evil. You, as a self-described (though apparently uncommitted) christian, cannot rightly rely on such rationales. Your savior and model, on the other hand, was a pacifist. Its a good thing that the last judgment is just a bedtime story, or you'd be sitting down there with all us other sinners.
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/02/2009 2:00:57 PM
tdcarroll, Christians are humans, are they not? And, as such, we are sinners the same as everyone else. Being a Christian does not, automatically, make one perfect, nor does it cause sin to go away, it only provides us with forgivness for those sins, and yes, you are correct in assuming Christians should behave properly, but then so should everyone, Christian or not. But you are not correct in assuming a Christian becomes immune to wrong doing just because of their faith. In fact, it is , probably, more serious for a Christian to commit a sin than for a nor believer, because Christians know better. Now, to the subject of vengeance belonging to God, yes it does, and America has never claimed otherwise. Other people project things onto America that are not true, but that does not stop them from projecting their anger and resentment and false accusations onto America, and just as we have to deal with whatever is sent our way, good or bad, personally, so does the country, as a whole, have to deal with those type false claims. America can not stop the misconceptions, no more than you or any country can stop misconceptions about you, or about religion, and that is because we are human, and not divine, we are imperfect. Arguing over something that will not change is a waste of energy and time. America and every country has far more important issues to concern themselves with than what someone's opinion of them is. You seem to know your scripture, which is great, but then, you must know that the Bible says even Satan can quote scripture, with his reason being to try to use it against you. I am comfortable with my faith, and if you are with your's, then what is the point of debating who is right or wrong, why not let God decided that. Later....
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 2:38:05 PM
My point about vengeance is that you seemed, in that post, to be claiming it as america's right. And it seems lazy to say that as a christian your faith teaches that human vengeance is an evil, but also teaches you that you're prone to sin, therefore, when you recognize an act of vengeance you can somehow justify it. It just seems to me like plenty of americans get far more offended by the things that "the world" says or thinks about them, than they do about the things that the government does in their name. Your point about control was well taken, but it seems like the only thing that I can control is my own behavior, and the only country's behavior over which I have any modicum of control is the United States (as a registered voter and enjoying the freedom of speech). You were trying to justify america's actions in the eyes of a critic, while saying that his criticisms shouldn't apply and that bygones should be bygones. That seems inconsistent. It seems like admonishing someone to turn the other cheek after you have hit them. As for the backhanded compliment about scripture, one must know scripture to understand this particular culture. However, I find your insistence that nothing will ever change and opinions cannot be overturned dispiriting. You come from an evangelical tradition, beginning with Peter and Paul (and Jesus himself), that asserts most forcefully that opinions CAN be changed. Why else would someone go by mule and rowing ship from Ephesus to Corinth to Rome? Also, if opinions could not be changed, we would still have slavery (never having gotten to Jim Crow), we would still be burning witches, etc. To choose someone secular, what about Lincoln- did he change opinions? What about Gandhi? MLK? I'm sure you see the point. I am not gifted as they were, but when I encounter what I consider to be a wrong, I try to make it right, and since I am not a violent man, the only way seems to be through discourse. You characterized me as contentious. Darn right, but not without a reason.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/29/2009 5:21:07 AM
No, you're not, assh0le. If the first words out of your mouth to someone disagreeing with you are insults, you have quite a bit of violence in your heart.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/29/2009 5:23:46 AM
And yes, I have quite a bit in my heart, before you start crying about the pot calling the kettle black. I'd like to beat the ass of every single American who supported KBR and Halliburton's no-bid oil contracts, then throw them in jail. Think of me what you like.
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Posted By: PatrioticGirl @ 03/28/2009 1:09:53 PM
moseyere....To answer your rediculous Q. Desparate people do desparate things. If group of people attacked you with weapons, i am sure you would do anything to fight back even if you had to use a nail cutter/box cutter. Think carefully before you make your irrelavent judgement on others. Nobody likes to die but if you had to you would to.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/27/2009 12:20:06 AM
Islam is a religion espousing both peace and war in different circumstances.
Christians have supported the killings of 100,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS or more in that unnecessary conflict, so get off your moralistic high horse. Both sides in this conflict have been murderous beyond mind and measure, for roughly a thousand years or so. I highly recommend you read about the Crusades to increase your understanding of these conflicts.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 4:10:39 PM
da faz- do I have your argument straight... Muslims are peaceful. Read the book (and excuse you for taking god's name in vain). They are peaceful, and if you ever grew the "balls" to come to a muslim country, you would be harmed. Is that the gist of your argument? You seem confused; maybe YOU should read the Koran.
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Posted By: hazfessi @ 03/26/2009 7:00:37 PM
Let see this jesus of yours do something
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 12:21:49 AM
He already did do something, in fact many things, the most important one being that he died for our sins, including your's, and all he asks in return is for us to accept that free gift, and to try to live according to his teachings. When Adam and Eve sinned, they broke the connection between God and humans, Jesus came to take on the sins of all of us so that we would not have to die a second death after this one, if we believed in him and accepted his free gift, Jesus is the link that connected us back to our father, God. The Bible states "No one comes to the Father except by Jesus". It also states "There is no name recognized in Heaven for the salvation of mankind excet the name Jesus". Believe whatever you want, thats called freedom, but be careful what you believe, thats called wisdom.
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Posted By: One God @ 03/27/2009 10:43:33 AM
ONE QUESTION... WHY WOULD GOD DIE TO SAVE HIS CREATION? WHY DOES HE NEED TO DO THAT? GOD IS ABOVE THAT, ALL HE NEEDS TO SAY IS I FORGIVE YOU AND THAT IS IT> THE QUR'AN SAYS, ALLAH (GOD) SAYS ASK FOR FORGIVINESS I SHAL FORGIVE.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 11:58:44 AM
If you want to question God's way of doing things, then go right ahead, but I am not going to. We are the created, He is the creator, so would a peice of artwork question the artist about the whys of the artist's reasons for what he does? God has His reasons for everything he does, and we are not required to understand all of them, just to accept and trust them, because all of God's reasons are good ones and good things result from all his decisions. Its amusing how people try to mold God into their idea of how He should be and how He should do things. We do not, completely, understand everything about God or His ways, that is why its called a mystery. He has revealed enough of himself for me to know I can trust his judgement without having to understand it. The human mind is not capable of receiving all there is to know about God, but when the time is right for all to be revealed, lets hope we are ready to receive it, and that is what we need to be preparing our hearts and minds for now. God bless.
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/02/2009 8:06:45 PM
I agree for not questioning God for the way of doing things, but when I have a religion that preaches that God has created us, made us sin, then he declares that he is going to kill himself in order to be able to forgive us, and another religion that has another version of God's words saying that God has created us, he is all mighty and most merciful, and has opened the door for us to seek forgiveness un-conditionaly, just real regret for having sinned and true willingness to follow the straight path... I prefer to choose the second version which matches the reason that God put into me.
If it was true that "God had sent a part of him" to earth, did it ever come to your mind, why he chose to appear in the form of a white man, why not black or any other race!!?? is he declaring that white race is superior to other races!! I don't think this is the message God want to give to his children... Just wondering. God Bless-
Posted By: star3 @ 04/03/2009 12:39:47 AM
I hear what you are saying Hesham, and none of us really know the answer to that; He came as a Jew, and the Jews were said to be His chosen people, so I suppose that could be the reason. The Jews, as a whole, with the exception of the apostles and others who followed Him, rejected Jesus, but He still loves them and when He comes again, He will come in Glory, and every eye shall see Him and every person will know He is the Savior. He will bring with Him justice and establish His kingdom with us. What a wonderful day that will be! For some, for others, not so wonderful. I just pray that I will be one of the ones blessed enough to be with Him. Better get off here, but hope to speak with you next time. Enjoy your weekend. :)
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/03/2009 3:14:51 PM
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/03/2009 3:50:14 PM
Start3... it is true that (not jews but rather the children of Israel (Jacob) were, I say WERE God's chosen people;
[2:47] O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I blessed you more than any other people. (Qur'an translation)
But this did not last for long;
[2:61] ... They have incurred condemnation, humiliation, and disgrace, and brought upon themselves wrath from GOD. This is because they rejected GOD's revelations, and killed the prophets unjustly. This is because they disobeyed and transgressed.
[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
I guess the reason they were chosen over others is the fact that they are the decendants of Abraham, the father of prophets, and his son Jacob (Israel), but they did not work on deserving nor earning it , being stuborn, refusing the truth and revelations while being certain of it and thus deserving God's wrath at the end.
I recall here the story when Muhammed (PBUH) arrived to "Medina" escaping the torture of the disbelievers in "Mecca", a group representing the jews came to visit him (jews were representing one third the population of Medina). When their king (Hoyayy Ibn Akhtab) returned back home from the visit with his brother (a jewish religious leader), he asked him:
-What did you find
-It is absolutely him
-It is him whom we find written and described in the Torah (Jewish book of religion)
-Yes
-with all his features and descriptions
-Yes
-So he is the final prophet that we have been waiting for?
-Yes
-and what have you decided to do?
-I decided to be his enemy and fight against him till death (now that prophethood has gone out of chldren of Israel)!!
This story was told to us by (Safia) the jewish king's daughter who overheard the conversation, and converted to Islam later when the jews were kicked out of Medina for betraying the treaty they had with Proohet Muhammed by bringing in and supporting the disbelievers agaist muslims.
She told the story to prophet Muhammed when he wondered how she converted to islam so easily. She said that eversince she overheard this story, his love and the love of Islam fell in her heart. Prophet Muhammed later married her, and because of this marriage, muslims at the time were forced to remove all hard feelings they had against jews living with the in Medina (despite their betrayal and support of disbelievers) and to live with them in peace in honor of their prophet who married the jews' king's daughter.
Just wanted to reveal to you how islam deals with the issue of Jews being God's chosen people (or rather WERE)
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/06/2009 10:53:55 PM
Hi hesham, been away all weekend, good to read your post. That is an interesting story, enjoyed learning that. Thank you for sharing. Our Bible tells us that there would come a time when the Temple in Jerusalem would be rebuilt, and the Children of Israel (Jews) would return to become a nation again; the temple began to be rebuilt shortly after WW2 ( 1947, I think) and the Jews began returning to Israel to re- establish their nation. That, if I remember my lessons correctly, was one of the signs spoken of which would mark the last days. There are other signs mentioned, also. And it is written that when He returns, every eye shall behold Him, and everyone will know He is the one sent by God. The Jews expected a savior who would come to rescue them from their enemy, they thought the promised one would be like a knight in shinning armor, who would slay their enemy, and what they got was a tiny baby, born to a virgin, and whom they would not accept. What they did not understand was that, the savior was sent as a baby, to grow in the ways of God's love and to fulfill His promise; Jesus said "I did not come to do away with the commandments, but to fulfill them." Jesus' purpose was not to bring peace to the world, at least, not at that time. The people did not want that kind of savior, but God did. It is when He returns again that all will be fulfilled and understood, His second comming WILL be in glory. It is written that as the lightening flashes is how quickly He will come. I hope everyone will be prepared . Peace.
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/07/2009 7:13:51 AM
Well Star3, this is not far from what we believe in Islam. God has punished the children of Israel by making them have no definitive nation, and it would be one of the signs of the last day that they will gather in one nation (no mention of the temple issue!).
[17:104] And after him We said to the children of Israel, ???Dwell ye in the land; and when the time of the promise of the latter days comes, We shall bring you together out of various peoples.???
[17:105] And in truth have We sent it down and with truth has it descended. And We have sent thee only as a bearer of good tidings and a Warner.
[17:106] And the Qur???an We have revealed in pieces that thou mayest read it to mankind at intervals, and We have sent it down piecemeal.
[17:107] Say, ???Whether you believe therein or believe not, those to whom knowledge has been given before it, do fall down prostrate on their faces when it is recited to them,
[17:108] ???And say, ???Holy is our Lord. Surely, the promise of our Lord is bound to be fulfilled.??????
[17:109] They fall down on their faces weeping, and it increases humility in them. .......... [Qur'an Translation]
We also well believe that Jesus ???peace be upon him??? will be sent back by God to earth (as a major sign of the last day) where all believers will gather around him and support him against evil and he will rule the earth with God???s words
You can see that there is no big difference as I previously said, only that we don???t accept saying that Jesus is a God nor Muhammad nor any body else, God is one and he need not have any assistant or wife or relative... this is a major concept and this is the main message of all messangers God sent;
[112:1] Say, ???He is Allah, the One;
[112:2] ???Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:3] ???He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:4] ???And there is none like unto Him.??? ..... [Qur'an Translation]
God has always been there and by definition, he is beyond time since time is one of his creatures, so there was never a point in time where God did not exist (this is not the Case with Jesus in your belief, correct me if i am wrong, or else prophets and apostles who came before Jesus like Moses, Noah, Adam ,, would have called for worshiping the God and his son !)
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/08/2009 2:08:31 AM
Hi, hesham. We believe Jesus must have been with God from the begining, because in the first book of the Bible, when God was creating the Earth, and was at the point of creating mankind, He said "Let us create man in our image---US, OUR image, plural, so He had to have been speaking to someone. We believe His image meant spirtual image, then made a body for us, and breathed into that body life, and we became human souls. We believe God became man, Jesus, who was called Emanual, which means God with us. We believe God is one Godhead, and within that Godhead dwells the three spirits---God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Some people try to equate God on the same level as humans, to try to limit Him to only what we know and are capable of, but God is not limited, He can do amazing things that we can't even begin to try, all we need to do is look at our home, planet Earth, to know how capable He is. God is a mystery, and humans have been trying for millenniums to figure out the mystery, and what they don't understand is, that God is on a different level than we are, so can do many more things that we can't, such as create a universe, and everything in it. I am happy juat to be a part of God's plan. I don't need to understand all of God's reasons for things, I just need to trust them. Jesus said blessed are they who have believed without seeing. He was speaking to the apostles after his ressurection, and Thomas would not believe He was really Jesus until he felt and saw the nail prints in his hands, and the injury in his side where the Roman soldier poked it with a sword. Then he believed. Better get off here, will look forward to your posts.
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/08/2009 3:48:16 AM
Hi star3
Kings speak about themselves in plural and so does God.
God says:
[50:17] And assuredly, We have created man and We know what his physical self whispers to him, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein. [Qur'an translation]
And he is the one who says as well (just to understand that the above plural meant God himself and not a group of Gods):
[4:172] O People of the Book, exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ???They are three.??? Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Guardian. [Qur'an translation]
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/08/2009 6:29:43 PM
Hi, hesham, It is an interesting subject, and open to interpretation, I suppose, but only God knows for a certainty, so guess we'll just have to wait to find out all the mysteries of God. I don't try to figure it all out, I feel if I stick with the priorites of His message, the rest (details) will be revealed when the time is right. Its like people making the messenger more important than the message (by messenger, I mean God's angels). Jesus as a messenger is important, and so is His message.. People have their own beliefs and each one feels theirs is the right one and all are adamant about their's, it can get confusing if you let it, so I just go with what feels right to me, admitting that I could be wrong; people can be very sincere, yet be sincerely wrong, so my philosophy is to love God with all my heart, love Jesus with all my heart, and try to live as close as possible to his teachings, to respect others as I want them to respect me (and sometimes that is the hardest, because, as we know, some people just are irritating to the point of wanting to yell at them; when I find myself in these kind of situations, I just make a remark such as "Sorry you're having a bad day, hope tomorrow will be better for you, ", then turn and walk away.). I feel God will sort it all out and let us know whatever we need to know concerning any details of His nature beyond what we already know. Better get some work done, so until next time, enjoy the rest of your day.
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/09/2009 4:26:35 PM
Hi Star3
Totally agree, as those who strive in God's path, God will surely guide them in his ways and verily God is with those who do good..
May God bless us all and guide us in his way .. Amen
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Posted By: Burke99 @ 03/27/2009 12:58:49 PM
I couldn't help but laugh outloud at this comment! I sure hope the average human has more insight and intelligence than this. Artwork questioning the artist... This is the kind of sheep mentality that will be the bane of humanity.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 8:39:58 PM
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Burk, how pathetic you are. I pity anyone whose mind is that closed. You are very blessed, however, because God loves you in spite of your faults, not because you have none. Peace.
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Posted By: rmishra @ 03/30/2009 10:49:53 AM
Do you read your own stuff star 3.....it is amazing that you are calling Burk having a closed mind...when you are the one who is asserting that one should not question any religipus belief....Well in that case you would think Talibans are very open minded too like yourself...they also do not want to question their extreme religious beliefs.....the only difference between you and them is that they believe in different god than yours....but everything else is same as far as the rest of thinking goes...or should I say "lack of thinking goes". Get it....
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/30/2009 10:05:15 PM
rmishar, did YOU read my post is more to the point. Where, in my comment did I say one should not question any religious belief?!? What I said was that if anyone wanted to challenge (question) God---GOD---not beliefs. If they want to challenge, or question God's way of doing things, that was up to them, but I---I, PERSONALLY---was not going to, because He is the one who created me, not the other way around. And, that, my dear was my message, so if you mis-read it, that is your problem, I wrote it quite plainly enough for even a simpleton to understand, sorry you misunderstood. I believe strongly in questioning religion, but not in questioning God. You need to be careful what you believe, so, yes, on religions, I agree on questioning them before deciding to embrace one, that is just smart. As for people who claim they only believe in what they can see or touch, I ask them to show me the wind, you never see the wind, but you sure can see and feel the results of it. Same with God. When a non believer can create a universe in seven days, and part the sea, then, perhaps i might pay attention to anything else they have to say.
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Posted By: Lancerz @ 03/30/2009 3:05:11 PM
Amen, star3.
I am all about people choosing their own faith (or none at all, as some may have it), but I'll take the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I've studied several religions, including Islam, and have nothing negative to say about the teachings. That being said, my personal connection with God is rooted in Christianity because, as you put it, "He has revealed enough of Himself for me to know I can trust his judgment."
There are extremists in every religion - please don't judge an entire religion based on the acts of extremists.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/30/2009 9:46:38 PM
Lancerz, thank you for the kind words. If I recall correctly, I believe the Bible mentions something about one having the Holy Spirit guide us toward truth. Maybe God sends the Holy Spirit when we are ready for truth. Maybe we have to be open to it for it to happen, so some may not be ready yet, and need a bit more time. God is patient. Seems I recall reading when Jesus was speaking to a crowd, one of the people there became excited about what Jesus was saying, and began to speak about it to his friend, but the friend just looked confused, and one of the apostles told the man that his friend was one who did not have understanding of the message.
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Posted By: Lancerz @ 03/30/2009 2:55:56 PM
Amen, star3.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 1:39:50 AM
haz, when you die, and you see a bright light in the distance, go toward it, I promise you will find Jesus in that light, and I hope it goes well for you, because He loves you in spite of your faults, not because you have none.
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Posted By: PatrioticGirl @ 03/28/2009 12:44:44 PM
star3...You are such an airhead with no common sense. I am sure this is not the only only someone told you this.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/28/2009 1:12:10 PM
Better to be an airhead than an ignorant, pathetic little twit. You take things wayyy too seriously, little girl, lighten up and realize you are not going to create any great change in anyone's thinking, so stop trying, and just accept that.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/29/2009 9:11:48 AM
I guess Jesus commanded you to call her a "pathetic little twit"?
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/29/2009 3:43:33 PM
Vig, p.s,.....Christians get a bit tired of the Muslim spewing as well, so it works both ways; thats why I said nobody is going to change anyone else's mind on a blog, so it's a wasted energy to get steamed up about it. Blogs can be informative and useful, but mostly, they are entertaining and a way to speak our thoughts on a subject, sort of like a chat room, but don't expect anything said to change another person's beliefs or opinions. Relax and enjoy the interaction.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/29/2009 8:12:33 PM
Whatever. I don't have much respect for people who claim to be Christian and then engage in petty name-calling. I ought to get off my high horse - I've called people a good many names in my life, only some of them nice - but then again, I don't claim to be Christian either. It's the hypocrisy that gets to me.
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Posted By: Jesus H. Christ @ 03/30/2009 11:55:29 AM
You cannot win an argument against someone who is blinded by their own beliefs. Christians and Muslims are one and the same. Their only difference is the date. Islam is 500 years behind Christianity. Give them time to evolve like we did with Christianity. Remember, there was a time when Christians burnt women at the stake, stoned people, forbade women from all the freedoms they now enjoy. The Christian church used to control the government for centuries.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/31/2009 11:18:15 PM
I don't recall ever hearing that Mohammed loved us so much that he died for us, to pay the penalty for sin. If Islam was established before Christianty, and was the "perfect" religion, then why did Jesus need to come here and die on the cross, if we already had the "perfect" way to Heaven? If we could be forgiven just by Allah saying so, then why does the Bible say there is no name under Heaven or in it that is recognized as the savior except Jesus? Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the light, no one comes to the Father except through me." Bottom line is, God said it, I believe it, and thats it.
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Posted By: tdolphin @ 04/01/2009 12:52:04 PM
Jesus is a messenger of God to remind people of the message of the oneness of God and to follow God's commandements. This is the message of Islam and Jesus is one of the prophets of Islam. Jesus did not die on the cross and there is historical evidence as well as evidence from the Bible (if you read it carefully) to support that. Muhammad loves us. On the day of judgement he will will intercede and ask God to forgive our sins and give us mercy.
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/01/2009 3:50:13 PM
tdolphin, tell me where I can find a passage in the Bible which says Jesus did not die on the cross, as you claim. My Bible says Jesus was crucified, died, and was buried. From everything I have learned about that, crucified means to be nailed to a cross. The Bible is the word of God, and God doesn't lie, he is incapable of lying. Satan, however, is called the father of lies. Was Muhammad ever nailed to a cross to save people, did Muhammad allow himself to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind, so that we could be reconnected to God and, eventually, have eternal life with Him? The penalty for sin is death, and that is speaking of an eternal death, not just the death we experience of the body, but the death Adam & Eve condemmed us to when they broke God's commandment. God knew He could not leave us in eternal life in a condition of sin, so He asked his son, Jesus if He would be willing to take our place and reconect the broken link between God and humans, Jesus agreed, and became the sacraficial lamb. By his death, we are saved from the penalty of having to die a second death after the death of the body, the second death being the death of the spirit, which would forever deny us any part of God's kingdom. We have been spared that by Jesus' gift to us, if we accept that gift. It is written that if we have the faith of even the size of a grain of mustard seed, we will be saved. That is how much we are loved by God. He wants us to have every opportunity to live forever in peace and happiness. I am sure God must be very pleased with many of us, and hurt and pained by some of us, just as human parents are. When I become upset because one of my children just refuses to listen or to respect my requests, I then can relate to how God must feel, and I realize that if even God cannot convience all his children to always respect his requests, then how can I, a mere human, expect to. God understands allowances need to be made for children because they are still learning about their world and how, unless, we teach them, they would continue to operate at a childish level, which would result in a lot of unhappiness for themselves and for those who love them. We are God's children, and we are still learning, and in the process of learning, we, often, hit a block wall, and we will continue to run into block walls until we figure out that, just as our Father warned us, the walls will not move, so we need to find another option of operation in our lives. Depending on how stubborn some of us are, those walls may have a lot of dents in them, and we may have a lot of dents in us before we figure things out, but they won't move. God bless.
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/01/2009 4:32:56 PM
Star3, I just want to comment your words "God cannot convience all his children to always respect his requests"... we muslims never say the word "God cannot.." it just violates his nature, dont u agree with me? yes God CAN drive all his "human creatures" to be convinced to always respect his request, but he has created us, gave us mind, and sent messengers with books and rules that donot violate reasoning and that we should follow...,
Any way I am sure u do beleive all this..
One more issue that i see violates the reasoning that God has distincted us with: How can God who is the most fair and most just, take us to account for some sins we never did? We are not accountable for our parents sins, and consequently for Adam and Eve's Sin!! I am sorry, but I see that this is the basis of justice. On the other side, if we agree on never saying "God Cannot" then we can may be agree that God can forgive Adam without the need to apply the death penalty
This is simply what we believe in in Islam, when God decended Adam and Eve out of heaven, Adam asked God his merci and fogiveness, and He simply did forgive him...
I see no great difference between the preaches of Islam and those of Christianity as I live in a country where muslims and christians live together in peace and respect. the only difference is in the nature of Jesus "peace be upon him" where we believe that he is God's word and miracle since he was created without a father "as Adam was created without a father or a mother and Eve without a mother"... We love Jesus as much as we love prophet Muhammed... but the basics rules is that God is One, everything and everybody else are his creatures.-
Posted By: star3 @ 04/02/2009 12:25:21 AM
hesham, I tried to reply to your post eariler, but it would not let me open the comment box, so I posted my reply to you above; don't know if you saw it. Now this darn thing opens ,,,,oh well, maybe you can scroll up and find my reply. Take care.
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/02/2009 10:25:26 AM
hi star3, just saw your reply.. thank you for keeping a decent level of conversation... I will keep in touch with you and send you some more comments but maybe few hours later
take care, and may God lead us all to his straight and right way .. Amen
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Posted By: star3 @ 04/01/2009 2:05:50 PM
Yes, Jesus did die on the cross for our sins, so that we can be forgiven, so we can have eternal life instead of eternal death. God gave us freedom, Satan, if we allow it, will make slaves of us. Satan even offered to be the one to come to Earth and make humans mind, to FORCE humans to do God's will, but God did not want force, he wants us to choose to follow His way because we love him, not because we fear Him. So, then Jesus offered to come to Earth and to follow God's instructions concerning how He wanted to provide humans with a way to be re-connected with Him, and since the result of sin is death, which Adam & Eve brought upon us when they sinned, then it was determined that Jesus would die in our place, Jesus would take away the death penalty for us and take away the sin factor by becomming the scarificial lamb. This did not give us permission to continue in sin, but it did provide for us to be forgiven when we do sin---IF WE REPENT, ARE SINCERELY REGRETFUL OF OUR SIN, AND TRY VERY HARD NEVER TO REPEAT THAT SIN. Jesus told the prostitute to "Go your way, and sin no more." He said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone; no one did, so then Jesus said, that there was no one there who could condem her, He didn't either. Jesus is the link to God, he restored that which was broken.
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Posted By: ALLE786 @ 04/01/2009 11:24:26 AM
In essence all major religions convey the same message of the Oneness of God. With respect to timeline, Prophet Mohammed is the final Messenger and came after Jesus. As Muslims, we believe people are accountable for their own actions. They may be aided through the Prayers and actions of others but their final outcome is dependent on their own actions. Having said that, God is Merciful and may forgive anyone at his discretion.
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Posted By: y2ksla @ 04/01/2009 10:38:26 AM
The basic knowledge of Religion is now better accepted with facts and ability of existing religious text to withstand subjected criticisms and examinations and no longer based on sentiments and indoctrination.thanks.Akintola S.l
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/31/2009 11:02:59 PM
JHC, you are correct on that, many hideious crimes have been committed in the name of religion, and that is why we should question religion, check out what they are all about before embracing one. Religion is something that, regardless of which one it is, people who belong to it feel very strongly about, they become adamant that their's is the correct on, but I do not recall Jesus establishing a religion, but he did establish a church and placed Peter at the head of it. "Church" may have been meant as any group of people who believe in Him, and not, necessarily, any particular religion.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/29/2009 3:36:28 PM
Vig, yeah, well, I am human, not divine, and so I am just as capable as any other human of having emotions which aren't always "nice"...And "Pathetic, ignorant little twit" is tame compared to some of the name calling that goes on, so settle down on the judgement unless your name is God. Most humans are much better at preaching than in living those preachings, aand I have never claimed to be an exception. Even Jesus became angry at the money changers in the temple, and knocked the tables over and yelled at them. I don't think anyone here will make a change in their beliefs because of something the read on a blog, so sometimes I just get tired of all the nonsense and make a joke to lighten things up, PG decided I am an "Airhead" because of that, and I wanted to let her know her opinion of me was not the whole picture, and in doing so, kind of pinched a bit hard, perhaps. Sorry if you were offended, PG seems to have taken it well.
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Posted By: md_aasim @ 03/28/2009 10:56:10 AM
brother Jesus also is a prophet of Allah and we as Muslims have tremendous respect for him as he was one of the most important prophets in the history of Islam. So please verify your facts as a Muslim before posting such remarks. One of the pillars of Emaan is accepting and believing in all the prophets of Allah.
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Posted By: hesham @ 04/04/2009 9:17:42 AM
Jesus I.L.A... you are not a hopeless case, i have witnessed alot of examples of people who were even more blindhearted, and all of a sudden, God enlightened their way and guided them to endorse Islam. It only takes to pray to God sincerely to lead you to the right path and to exert enough effort for finding it
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Posted By: kstallings72 @ 03/26/2009 7:29:58 PM
The ignorance of man is really sinister in these comment pages. Islam is a religion of peace and submission to the ONE source that binds all of creation together, ALLAH) It is a state of being, a way of life, a connection with ALL of that which is created. That is what is wrong with man's faith, because he looks toward MAN as GOD (Allah). Men have many faults, and there is no one here who can judge the acts of men. But falsehood stands clear from error...the mere fact that we are born from a sperm drop, grow into a fully functional and thinking human being, then die and return to the same elements of the Earth, and NO ONE has any proof or scientific evidence of what happens to our "free energy" (or spirit) is enough to justify faith in a higher power. You can't breathe without air, you can't survive without food and water, and the universe is vast and endless, and WE did not CREATE IT!...so what or WHO did? How do you explain floating on a ROCK spinning at 1033 1/3 mph, traveling around a giant fireball, that sustains life on this planet...in perfect orbit?! What POWER is holding the UNIVERSES together, and keeping your own molecules intact!!? Certainly not YOU. Only when man accepts his own ignorance is when we will discover the TRUTH...that we are in control of NOTHING...and ALLAH (i.e the One, the Supreme Being, Infinite Intelligence) is.
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Posted By: tdcarroll50 @ 04/02/2009 4:02:59 PM
Just a quick comment, we don't spin in a perfect orbit. Orbits are elliptical. Johannes Kepler knocked that one out around the 17th century. Your comments seem scientifically inclined, aiming for reconciliation between the facts that we observe and the faith that many feel. So I just wanted to clarify that fact. Elliptical orbits are part of what account for things like ice ages, etc. Also, Gluons, messenger particles of the strong nuclear force hold our atoms together, and chemical bonds holds our molecules together. You can see the latter through a microscope if you'd care to. It won't change your basic wonder at the mystery of it all, but I am more pointing out that if there is a god, he has given humans the power to know these things.
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Posted By: Black_Knight @ 03/26/2009 7:05:14 PM
You are such an idiot. Allah means God in Arabic. You just call God a devil.
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Posted By: Aqueelah @ 03/27/2009 12:37:32 AM
All praise is due to ALLAH and HE is the only ILLAH(GOD) and ALLAH is the name that incomposses all of HIS names and attributes.
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Posted By: brydges @ 04/15/2009 12:05:03 PM
First let me say you and your type are the reason why the Muslim faith is looked down on as militaristic and evil. Second your people would still be living in sand if the West didn't show you what oil was. Third every time I hear about a religious motivated killing it's Muslims killing Muslims, because if you give a group of monkeys a gun, then eventually one will shoot the other.
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Posted By: JesusIsLordAmenRecognize @ 03/26/2009 7:02:30 PM
Azariel,
Allah is the devil. Jesus is the truth, the way, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through the son. Allah and his prophet is the disguise of the devil. Jesus has RISEN, Glory be to God, the one true God, The God of the Jews, the God who made himself man to become a sacrifice so we could enter into a relationship with him. Put down the evil Koran, and pick up the Bible. Your hostility will reduce. Muslims degrade women, and Muslim men beat their wives. You know this, we all know this.-
Posted By: Against_the_Tide @ 04/15/2009 3:00:08 AM
Uh, poster with the rediculously obnoxious name, just a brief refresher on your high school Arabic, since I'm sure it's been DECADES- "Allah" is the Arabic contraction of "THE god". As in, the same one you claim to worship. In fact, both the Torah and the Bible are considered holy books by Muslims. So, just as foolhardy as calling your own brother a "son of a b*tch), you have soiled your own diety, calling him that which you detest. Just a little reality check- it seems often that we agnostics/atheists tend to be a tad more understanding a learned (perhaps a direct result of consulting books written more recently than in the past 3000+ years). Your welcome.
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Posted By: moseyere @ 03/27/2009 12:06:59 AM
DID YOU KNOW THAT MOHAMMAD WAS A PEDOPHILE? READ YOUR KORAN.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/27/2009 12:18:32 AM
Yes, Mohammed married a seven-year old girl named Aicha in the declining years of his life, and had sex with her when she was nine.
This was, however, a more common practice in Bedouin lands than anyone probably cares to admit, and I refuse to blame modern-day Muslims - most of whom would just behead you if they caught you trying to sleep with a nine-year-old - for the actions of their Prophet hundreds of years ago.
To put it bluntly, "pedophilia" in general was a lot more common all throughout history than anyone (especially modern Christians) care to admit. John Smith married Pocahontas when she was twelve, or some similar deal. I think the tendency to want to paint Islam as a religion of child-molesting murderers is an invention of the worst and most intolerant of the modern Christian/Jewish right.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/29/2009 8:16:56 PM
As a postscript, some areas of the Muslim world - mostly tribal areas far from government seats and the rule of civilized law in general - still condone child brides.
So do parts of Alabama.
I think we all need to get off our moral pedestals on this issue. It's divisive and unfair. And most Muslims - contrary to some current Jewish and Christian smears - have as little tolerance for sexuality involving children as any European or American.-
Posted By: star3 @ 03/29/2009 11:26:41 PM
Vig, good advice about getting off the moral pedestals. Maybe we should all just agree to let each other be without judging, enjoy the inter-action of various opinions and let God sort it all out. If any of us had been perfect, then Jesus would not have had to die for us to be saved. We can agree to disagree without resorting to childish comments. Goodnight, and enjoy the rest of your evening.
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Posted By: Prettyme @ 03/27/2009 12:16:46 AM
Not all Christians are that good either. I'm sure there are Christians who are killers and go around robbing people. But that's less than 1% of the Christian population. So just because of less than .5% of the Muslim population does crazy things it means that they are terrorists? Straighten up rascist bastards. Why don't you read the Quran and find out what it is like
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 7:37:55 PM
Pretty, you are only partly right, Christians are not perfect, neither are Muslins or any other religious group, and do you know why? The answer is simple: Because we are dealing with humans, not devine beings or saints, but plain, ordinary humans, and sometimes, as much as we may want to do the right thing, we often get in our own way. The human spirit wants to please God, but the flesh is weak and fragile, so we don't always do what we agree is right. It's like the Apostle Paul wrote when he said, "I do not understand myself at all! I want to do what is right, I agree with what is right, but then I go and do the exact opposite of what I believe and know to be right!" "What is wrong with me?!" What he was experiencing is what we all experience---the inability of human nature to, always, do what we agree is right. Sometimes we get it right, and then we feel so delighted and pleased with ourselves. Like when we give someone a nice gift that they are very happy to receive, they are delighted to receive it, but we are just as happy to know we did something which pleased someone else, and we feel good about ourself. That is one example of the better side of human nature. Opinions are just that---opinions; and we don't have to agree or like another's opinion, but we should respect their right to have it.
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Posted By: JesusIsLordAmen @ 03/26/2009 7:01:02 PM
Azariel,
Allah is the devil. Jesus is the truth, the way, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through the son. Allah and his prophet is the disguise of the devil. Jesus has RISEN, Glory be to God, the one true God, The God of the Jews, the God who made himself man to become a sacrifice so we could enter into a relationship with him. Put down the evil Koran, and pick up the Bible. Your hostility will reduce. Muslims degrade women, and Muslim men beat their wives. You know this, we all know this.-
Posted By: Kfari @ 03/26/2009 7:08:23 PM
Well before Islam came, did you know Arab Christians and Jews called their God "Allah". All Arab Christians and Jews call their God "Allah" still. Do not take my word, do some research, you will know! Once you will come to know this, you will realize that you just called the Father in Heaven a disguise of the devil. Hopefully you will ask for forgiveness as we all make mistakes.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 7:16:48 PM
Kfari, and some say his name is Jehovah; so, is this not a petty way to discuss the issue? A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet, as the poet said, so what we should be discussing is God's love for us, and the great and wonderful plans he has for those of us who love him and keep his commandments, and to thank him for forgiving us when we fail to keep those commandments. All God's laws are for our good, He makes rules to help us, not to punish us, or to withhold good things from us. He makes rules for the same purpose we make rules for our children---because we care about them and want the best for them. For every sin, there is a negative consequence, for every good thing we do that is pleasing to God, there is a positive reward. Cause & effect.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 03/27/2009 12:20:51 AM
I pity your intolerance and angry ignorance of the real facts about modern Muslims.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 7:05:09 PM
Vigilance, I don't believe there are very many who hate Muslims, they seem to do most of the hateing, or, at least, the terrorist who, in my opinion are phoney Muslims, like the cowards they are, hideing behind a religion they don't really even belong to, and using women and children to cover their sorry donkey behinds, are the haters, and they hate EVERYONE who does not agree with them. Most of us are willing to live and let live, worship anyway or anyone you feel comfortable with, just as we do, and we will respect that, just as we expect you to respect our belief. we will not push our beliefs on anyone who is not interested, nor do we want to have anyone else's beliefs shoved in our face, accusing us of being wrong. God will decide who is wrong. Even Jesus did not shove, he led. If anyone cared to follow, fine, if they chose not to, that was their free choice. God bless.
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Posted By: Kfari @ 03/26/2009 7:11:40 PM
Even before Islam came, Arab Jews and Christians called their God "Allah" and they still do! Do not take my word, do some research on your own, you will know the truth. Once you will know this, you will realize that you just called the Father in Heaven a disguise of the devil! Hopefully you will ask for forgiveness, as we all make mistakes.
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 1:34:07 AM
By-the-way, Catholics did not rape anyone; *** who PRETENDED to be Catholics in order to have access to children did the rapeing, Just as *** who PRETEND to be Islamic in order to try to convience you they are in a holy war are the ones who are murdering people. Get the facts straight, and don't group people into catagories just because they share a paticular faith, as though they were clones. Do i hear a touche' from you on that?
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Posted By: star3 @ 03/27/2009 1:26:23 AM
Yes, men wrote the Bible, but they were inspired what to write by GOD. Don't know where you got your ideas, but they are totally warped. Who wrote the Koran? Careful what you spout, it may come back to bite you.
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Posted By: proudmuslim2009 @ 04/18/2009 4:00:26 PM
Brydges I am an American and proud to be one. But it is people you are like you that make me ashamd of my fellow americans. They do not care about others, they do not care about freedom of religion which is what our country was founded on. You must remember one thing freedom is never free. There are Muslims out there fighting in our Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and all through the military to defend our country. But then Bush comes along and destroys not only our freedoms, but our great reputation as well. He says it is not ok for others to use torture but then he turns and does torture. And I am not from another country I was born and raised by good Christian parents. It is others like you who are ignorant and confused and down right racist that make this country hated so much.
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Posted By: Stunnason @ 03/26/2009 6:55:21 PM
I can't beleive the comments left by people here....Jimotheus, you really believe that your religion is the right religion? fine...but dont tell another person they are going to hell because they believe in something else. Hazfessi, you dont know *** about combat since you don't know anything about America and our history. We have more different people of all ethnics living here in America than what you have in your women hating country. We fight for freedom and Human rights...while you fight for religion...wow. Dinothegreat, your ingnorance leads me to believe that you never been around people much and have no respect for anything different from yourself. You would bitch slap one of our own for making a decision that effects him and not you. Why don't you Have a little more respect for the men and women that serves this country degrading their choice of beliefs. I dont care what anyone believes in...as long as they are a good person, a respectable person, and have heart to those in need of help. Killing is only done not in revenge but in defense of one self. America fights by rules and regulation, but others don't care about that. For everytime one soldier that does something wrong... America is frown upon and condemed. I am American. My mother practice Muslim, but I do not. If I was to hate all Muslim because of one Muslim that did wrong than Should I hate my mother too?....Poeple need to start loving each other and respecting this world we live in because it is bigger than any of us, and one day when Earth comes to its death...will all of this matter? We need to protect Earth and all that lives in it, and this will take the efforts of all mankind regardless of what you and who you beleive in, Free your mind..and the rest will fallow.
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Posted By: hazfessi @ 04/16/2009 4:05:41 PM
Hi Stunnason,
I am an American too, or that is what my citizenship is, I am not really proud of that anymore, I moved to USA about 10 years ago, at first I believed in what America is I learned English quick, went to school and graduated, and ended up as an Engineer.
I lived amongst different ethnicities before and after moving to the USA. indeed where I was born is a Muslim country but multi cultural and woman have rights (voting, divorce, etc...)
I am not defending any religion, but I am tired of seeing people targeted because of their beliefs or the way they look, I am also tired of the military in Iraq using tax money rebuilding Iraq, let the Iraqis build their own country as they did every time in the recent 1000???s of years, why do I have to pay for it, and also pay for this toll road right by my house, that should have been free of charge if tax money was used to build it, not a private company.-
Posted By: brydges @ 04/17/2009 11:11:41 AM
"I am an American too, or that is what my citizenship is, I am not really proud of that anymore"
Then get out because we are not reallly pround if having ungrateful ignorant people live here. Perhaps Muslims wouldn't be so stereotyped if thay didn't all sound like you.-
Posted By: hazfessi @ 04/17/2009 3:40:09 PM
Meanwhile, you can complain about people like me living here, I suggest you clean up some of the mess, left by your previous goverment.
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Posted By: hazfessi @ 04/17/2009 3:35:26 PM
I was so pround of being an American, until I could not take it anymore, if you think I am ignorent, please read some of the comments left by your fellow Americans, my freind USA is a failure country, and I am not proud of this country until it fixes all the mistalkes left by stupid Bush.
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Posted By: hazfessi @ 04/16/2009 4:16:09 PM
Hi Stunnason,
For every time one soldier that does something wrong... America is frown upon and condemned
But in your view it's ok for America to be loved because of one good soldier.
You can not disconnect these two nodes, it is like you want to do math but only use the (+) sign and never use the (-) sign it simply does not work that way.
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Posted By: chrisbee80 @ 04/14/2009 6:21:06 PM
amr66- How did I miss the meaning of the article? This is a slash piece on Guantanamo Bay and it shows gross ignorance while doing it. They didn't even try to check into why he was kicked out of the military (of course the military is going to deny a request for a reason). In a court in the U.S. given his drug use, (possible) criminal record, kicked out of the Army, etc. Holdbrooks would not be a credible witness and yet he can get in the news bad mouthing Guantanamo Bay and nobody questions it.
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Posted By: chrisbee80 @ 04/14/2009 6:18:04 PM
proudmuslim- What evidence do you have that the detainees are innocent in Guantanamo Bay. Have you set in on interogations? Have you talked to them? Have you been assaulted by them daily with headbuts, feces, urine, semen, and food? Have you ever been there for a single hour even? I have. Oddly enough still awaiting a reply from Newsweek. So far they have done as every other news outlet has and ignored my email. Of course, when I send emails lying and wanting to say the things Holdbrooks has said, I always get a reply. Odd isn't it?
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Posted By: chrisbee80 @ 04/14/2009 6:13:46 PM
proudmuslim your arguments show the ignorance the media has portrayed about Guantanamo Bay. There have been over 1,000 detianees go through there. Only about 175 are currently there. Is that not a working system that does show lenience and is not violating the 4th Amendment. Do not forget these people were caught up in a war in and around Afghanistan, none are from Iraq. Did our service members get trials during Vietnam? Did we give trials during any war for people caught? NOPE. We are releasing these people as fast as possible, even if they are guilty of what they were charged with and brought there for....mainly financing.
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Posted By: amr66 @ 04/14/2009 5:10:31 AM
Everyone commenting is missing the point this article conveyed. It has nothing to do with religon. It has to do with what is happenning at Gitmo. And people are people with noregard to personal beliefs that should not villify or glorify people.
This is the point. The US has designated itself the rightous big brother of the world. Fine. Then the Us, government and people should, must Live up to what it preaches "Freedom and Justice for all".
There must be a fair investigation to why people were inhumanly impresoned and these people should be given a chance to defend themselves.
Otherwise, with all respect to all Americans writing and reading comments here, I tell you "You, country and people, are no better than any other repressing regime...you may be amongst the worst"-
Posted By: proudmuslim2009 @ 04/14/2009 10:53:40 AM
Don't forget the one that America always says as well....INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Most of the people are being proved innocent like you said. This is the worse thing America could do was to do this. Those people no matter how bad they are don't deserve to be treated with torture. If we did that as civilians we would be sued and our butts handed to us on a plate, but it seems like it is ok for us to do it to other people which is double standard.
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Posted By: proudmuslim2009 @ 04/14/2009 12:29:41 AM
I have seen many Muslim members of the Army go through things this guard has gone through. My husband who is a member of the Army and non Muslim has too seen it. When I reverted to being a Muslim, he was afraid for me so we keep it displayed by only a few. The "team leaders" often let the soldiers get away with things like this under the don't ask don't tell policy. I know of several people in Morocco who know Errachidi personally and say he still has the scars and and battle wounds on what happened at Gitmo. We agree there are terrorists out there but the innocent people at Gitmo don't deserve what happened to them.
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