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‘Holy Hell’ Over Torture Memos

Attorney General Eric Holder wants to release classified Bush-era interrogation memos. But U.S. intel officials are fiercely lobbying the White House to block him from moving forward.

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  • Posted By: fsteph @ 05/03/2009 4:32:34 PM

    Further evidence of the political myopia of Democrats that will assure their defeat at the polls. To Americans who have fled the Balkanized ranks of the Democratic party, who decry the endless nannytization of the United States pushed on them by socialist democrats, and who believe in the principle that The enemy of my enemy is my friend, the Republican party has provided a welcome home. Republicans have also asked and answered the question ???What credibility can a party that is steered by the moral leadership of Ted Kennedy, enthusiastically embraces the egalitarian fantasies of Earth Father Al Gore, gives a platform to a self-promoting clown like Jesse Jackson, and takes seriously the rantings of Al Sharpton,??? have to those who love America?

  • Posted By: memo2 @ 04/23/2009 8:30:26 AM

    Honest I don't care about all this people, remember we are dealing with inexperience people this administration have no rigth to act and release document's regarding terrorism to the public just like that, to me this is only a psychological-war fare against us, no matter what they do nothing is going to change this people's maind with all this people the only thing have in mind is how to keep you a live with fear, probable next time we capture more terrorist's this administration should provide better facility's with maid's or valet's, kind of sarcasm from me but what they realy doing with all this ? some one can explain !....

  • Posted By: charliefromtexas @ 04/22/2009 2:37:50 PM

    I really want to see John Yoo and Dick Cheney and john Bolton and a few others go to jail.

    Oh, before going to jail, they should be subjected to the methods (waterboarding etc.) until they tell the 'truth'. Then they should be sentenced and locked up in jail.

  • Posted By: CouldCareLessAnymore @ 04/21/2009 1:45:03 PM

    It`s good to know that some of Hussein "the sell-out" bin-Obama`s team are not Muslim sympathizers. I guess you can`t blame bin-Obama for sticking up for his terrorist blood brothers. We all know the penalty for Muslims harming Muslims...

  • Posted By: Jack999 @ 04/21/2009 5:58:28 AM

    Remember the Memorial for the USA Army and American Public as gratitudes for Liberating European from German's Nazi,Now where its still stand tall in Berlin,It was build as the gift for the generousity and appreciations to Americans from the People and the rest of The World as remberance of gratitudes to American\.If we walks in Berlin,We, Americans shall Feels proud of Our forefathers deeds,G.W.Bush had reversed all the good deeds of our forefathers by Coverting America as Nazi Rules.
    Ps. If I'm in Berlin again,I'll never even dare to stare at the Memorial Statue again...Never

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 04/20/2009 1:47:10 AM

    Do not be so naïve as to believe that torture is an exception in America. It is a global if not a historically long-established phenomenon. In some countries, torture has become a culture, always in the name of national security. The only difference, if there is, lies in the degree of severity, but certainly not in kind.

    Basically, the world is made up of oppressors and the oppressed. By instilling fear of torture among the oppressed, the oppressors continue to reign with iron fist to keep their power.

    Torture is normally carried out in secret and often ends in death which is likely to be covered up immediately and perpetually, making ???missing??? persons as good as ???dead??? persons.

    As long as people crave for power, torture will be the convenient instrument ??? the dirty MEANS to an evil end. (tan boon tee, btt1943@yahoo.com)

  • Posted By: Neutron @ 04/19/2009 1:35:04 AM

    Hey obama after you release all of bush's papers, work on the UFO secrets.

  • Posted By: Hsaive @ 04/18/2009 3:29:40 PM

    Plenty for Isikoff to investigate:

    On April 4th, a physics journal ( Bentham.org/open/ ) published conclusive evidence that should immediately call for a Grand Jury to consider indictments related to the 9/11/2001 catastrophe. The peer-reviewed, forensic study describes un-detonated fragments of an advanced thermitic explosive (nano-thermite) found in the dust of World Traded Center structures.

    In Nov 2008, Architect Richard Gage, AIA submitted a presentation to the FBI of conclusive evidence for controlled demolition, based on laws of physics and rooted in the scientific method. The evidence is contained in a multi-media DVD produced by Gage and 650 Architects and Engineers called: ???9/11: BLUEPRINT FOR TRUTH???, which may be viewed online at: www.ae911truth.org.

    The FBI???s head of Domestic Terrorism, Michael J. Heimbach, responded to Gage???s evidence in a letter dated 12/22/2008, referring to the 2 hour didactic presentation as, ??????backed by thorough research and analysis.??? Heimbach???s letter is a first-time acknowledgement by federal law enforcement that evidence exists for planned demolition in the collapse of 3 buildings on 9/11/2001.

    No one can say that our government blew up the Twin Towers, but somebody did. A 2003 effort by Congress to open a 9/11 criminal investigation was quashed by the Bush administration. Our new DOJ should surely re-open the investigation as a matter of national security.

    After all, if criminal acts occurred, those responsible should not remain free to commit greater destructive acts and war crimes.

  • Posted By: Hsaive @ 04/18/2009 3:27:05 PM

    Isikoff must start investigating the proof that 9/11 was an inside job

  • Posted By: Hsaive @ 04/18/2009 3:23:23 PM

    i suspect Isikoff will be the last to know that 9/11 was an inside job.

  • Posted By: sbac @ 04/16/2009 4:08:36 PM

    the Babylon666:Conspiracy of Darkness: ALL THAT IS NEEDED? ARE INDICTMENTS AND DIRECT PUBLICATION OF THIS MATTER LIKE IN OKLAHOMA CITY ETC? WHY WOULD OBAMA OR ANYONE ELSE UNLESS THEY WERE LOOKING TO COVER UP FOR THOSE WHO ABUSE THEIR POWER HURT PEOPLE AND STEAL MONEY AND ARE TOTALLY CORRUPT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THE CIA OR OBAMA WOULD MAKE THIS MATTER COMPLEX. THEY COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES AND DEFRAUDED THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THEY FRAUDULENTLY ENTERED ME INTO A METH PROGRAM I AM NOR WAS A METH ADDICT. IT HAS BEEN 7 YEARS. I WOULD LIKE MY LIFE, MY MUSIC, MY MONEY, MY BABIES, MY FRIENDS AND CREATIVE FAMILY TO BE REINFORCED. BUSH IS NOT HOLDING THE RELEASE OF MY CASE. I AM FROM POLITICAL BLOOD. WE HAVE ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO JUST INDICTE EM. THIS WRITIER WHO WROTE SHINE OVER BABYLON CAN BENEFIT FROM THE DIRECT PUBLICATION, THERE ARE A TON OF CREATIVES WHO WILL BENEFIT VIA THE DIRECT PUBLICATION OF THIS MATTER. WHY WOULD THE PRESIDENT WISH TO HOLD UP ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO CLEAR HIM OF SOLE RESPONSIBILITY ESPECIALLY WHEN BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICATION RELIGOUS FREAKS AND CORRUPT ARE RESPONSIBLE AT THE STATE LEVEL. THE CIA WOULD LOVE THE FACT THEY COULD BE CLEARED OF SOME RESPONSIBILITY IE THE GUY WHO STRUCTURED CJ-2000-1062-66 TRACKED AND STALKED ME FOR SOME 19YEARS BECAUSE HE VIOLATED ME WHEN I WAS 2.5 YEARS OLD. ARE YOU TRYING TO PROTECT HIM, OR A BIGOT COUNTRY SINGER, OR A CORRUPT (PREV)GOVERNOR? I NEED MY MONEY AND THESE CREEPS IHELD ACCOUNTABLE...I REALLY DO NOT SEE THE LOGIC IN ANYONE ELSE BEING HURT BECAUSE THE TRUE "APOSTATE SYSTEM" HAS AND IS BEING EXPOSED. JUST BUST 'EM AND SHOW ALL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EXISTS WITH ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS AND PROTECTIONS...SEE? EASY THAT IS HOW YOU CAN HELP US/ME AND MANY IN OKLAHOMA...OH HENRY GOV IS TRYING TO SEAL SOME ALMOST 3K COURT CASES IN OKLAHOMA...DOES THAT MAKE OBAMA GO? HMM...IT SURE WOULD ME...FRAUD METH PROGRAMS...THOUSANDS LABELED CRAZY...HMM. I DO NOT WANT ANYMORE OF MINE TO DISAPPEAR SEE SO EVERYONE GET A CLUE. KEITH COVEL, THE GOVERNOR WHOEVER ALL WHO HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MISUSE OF THE IRAQ CIA PROGRAM? THEY ARE SUBJECT AND SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE IRAQI PARLIMENT AS WELL AS HAGUE PROSECUTION....REALITY! ME AND MINE WERE AND ARE NOT SADDAM BUT GAMBLING ON THE MISUSE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND HURTING ME AND MINE...IS TERRORISM IN A TIME OF WAR. SEE TKCOVEL YOU SHOULD NOT CRASH INDEPENDENTS BE A BIGOT AND SUPPORT OVERT MULTI MILLION DOLLAR FRAUDS AND COVER UPS ON CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES THAT MAKES YOU A BAD EXAMPLE BUT MAYBE THE HAGUE WILL NOT VIEW YOUR GAMBLING ON MY LIFE THAT WAY VIA THE USE OF THE IRAQ WAR PROGRAM. MR USA YOU ARE NOT AND NEITHER ARE THE REST OF YOU NA MEN AND NAWEMONEN...TOO MANY HURT BY YOUR GREED AND LUST FOR POWER. OF COURSE FREEDOM OF SPEACH IS CITED AS WELL AS THIS IS MY LOGICAL OPINION

  • Posted By: sbac @ 04/16/2009 2:54:08 PM

    BABYLON666:CONSPIRACY OF DARKNESS IS ABOUT A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR FRAUD...DO NOT CONFUSE CORRUPTION WITH THE CIA INTERROGATION OF TERROR SUSPECTS! IT IS ABOUT THE STATE AND CITY DOING WRONG RICO CASES...RICO IS NOT THE CIA...THESE GUYS ARE CORRUPT WHITE COLLAR FRAUDS...TKCOVEL PARTICIPATED DO NOT TRY AND TURN THIS INTO ANYTHING IT IS NOT THE STORY NEEDS TO BE DIRECTLY PUBLICIZED...18+ VICTINMS AND THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE GET IT REAL PEOPLE IN OKLAHOMA CITY THAT ARE COMPROMISED...IE IN DANGER..A FEW KNOW ABOUT DEATHS THAT THIS GUY TK COVEL IS ASSOCIATED WITH DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT TRY AND TURN CITY AND STATE CORRUPTION INTO ANYTHING ELSE THE FREAKING GOVERNOR IS A DEMOCRAT! THE CASES INVOLVE OVERT COVER UPS ON A CHILD SEX ABUSE CASE IN 1995 WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MULTI MILLION DOLLAR FRAUD...AGAIN DO NOT CONTINUE TO HOLD OFF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OKLAHOMA CITY, ETC. ARE COMPROMISED BECAUSE THEY TALKED..TWO WITNESSES ARE TOTALLY DISABLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OTHERS HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS IT IS THE STATE AND CITY. QUIT TRYING TO ELEVATE POLICE AND BASIC LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRUPTION INTO ANYTHING OTHER..THE CREEPS GOT PAID LIKE 200 DOLLARS A BIT FOR GOD SAKE THEIR ARE REAL PEOPLE BEING AFFECTED

  • Posted By: jrbobdobbs @ 04/13/2009 1:53:02 PM

    It is not as if the Obama Administration has a choice here. They must either release all relevant information and prosecute the torturers to the full extent the law allows, or they become accessories to war crimes and crimes against humanity. The law requires that all such criminals be prosecuted. There is no choice.

    Or to turn a phrase used too commonly in other contexts, either Obama is with us, or he is with the torturers.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 5:24:36 PM

      Precisely. You, sir, have Slack.

  • Posted By: r12b12 @ 04/07/2009 4:06:24 PM

    Nobody body the Law is just a cliché! They do what ever they have to do. People are nurtured to be law abiding and governed by Rules. What Rules and as most have seen lately realize the Rules are only for US. Then people wake up realize they are navigating life with the mentally of a Pea Brain. Welcome to the Real World, it???s really the Wild Wild West, get the picture.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/10/2009 9:38:45 AM

      Get out of my country.

  • Posted By: Clatech @ 04/08/2009 1:19:14 AM

    Didn???t Americans elect Barack Obama President?

    Although self deprecation in an individual is an admirable trait and shows humility, the head of a nation apologizing for his country???s legitimate policies is tantamount to treason!

    As candidate Obama, his deriding American foreign policy could have easily been dismissed as political rhetoric. But as President Obama the remarks made this week in Europe and Turkey have legitimized the world view that Americans are war mongers and torture those who disagree with us. President Obama in his bid to win world favor has just disabled our ability to fight those who would wish us harm! America will no longer have the resolve to wage war on anyone, even our most deadly adversaries!

    Again, Barack Obama has revealed why we need an experienced leader in the White House! And in the end, he may need to solicit foreign support to save his presidency!

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/10/2009 9:37:20 AM

      "Although self deprecation in an individual is an admirable trait and shows humility, the head of a nation apologizing for his country???s legitimate policies is tantamount to treason! "

      Torture is never a legitimate policy. Ever.

    • Posted By: dorf @ 04/08/2009 10:24:32 AM

      I disagree - Obama was honest and respectful - something the rest of the world was doubting we still were capable of being. The rest of the developed world uses diplomacy and negotiations to do their business. Bush did not - and it made progress almost impossible. Obama did not have to tell the world that Bush started wars and tortured - they knew it already.

      The rest of the world wants us to lead - but from a moral position - not from the point of view of an angry 14 year old - strong but out of control. They respect us more for chosing a leader who understands how interconnected the world is. Obama is setting the stage to talk about the future, instead of arguing about the past or ignoring and lying about things done.

      Waging war should be done as a LAST resort. That is something Bush forgot - and we have been paying for it ever since. Too much worrying about all the old John Wayne stuff. 70 years later - the world has changed, and we must adapt too.

  • Posted By: Vigilance @ 04/09/2009 1:23:49 PM

    I would suspect Brennan and the rest know they're going to be in deep and very hot water if this stuff is declassified. I have every faith that Gitmo and Abu Ghraib were just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the level of "harsh interrogation techniques" used on prisoners, and these guys have got to be absolutely terrified that they're actually going to have to account for what they did to the public. I'm pretty sure that public opinion would turn against dozens of high-ranking military and CIA officials and that these guys are doing just about anything and everything they can to try to put a lid on the teakettle before it boils over (and parboils their careers).

    Kudos to Holder for continuing to go to bat for our nation's right to see what our military has been doing behind our backs. I think it is crucial that he succeeds if many Americans are ever going to be really able to trust and feel safe with their military leadership again and wish him nothing but the best in these efforts at declassification.

  • Posted By: motoboy @ 04/07/2009 10:33:06 PM

    If it wasn't torture then why the reluctance to release them? I'm sorry this job has fallen on Obama, but he wanted the job, and cleaning up Bush's various messes are part of it.

  • Posted By: dorf @ 04/07/2009 6:22:50 PM

    C'mon - let's do some transparency. If what Bush did was so great - why all the trepidation about releasing the info?

    The American public has a right to know what took place under the Bush watch. If we are to ever learn, we must know the truth. Publish the memos - no editorials - just the plain memos. Let the public decide for themselves....If this deserves a court case and putting a few torturers on trial - so be it. Obama should stay out of it - let Congress do the work. Obama should just say that he will support the law - and the truth should be known.

    As a nation, we have no moral standing if we do not punish those who violated our trust, our laws, and basic decency.

  • Posted By: r12b12 @ 04/07/2009 4:05:54 PM

    Nobody body the Law is just a cliché! They do what ever they have to do. People are nurtured to be law abiding and governed by Rules. What Rules and as most have seen lately realize the Rules are only for US. Then people wake up realize they are navigating life with the mentally of a Pea Brain. Welcome to the Real World, it???s really the Wild Wild West, get the picture.

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 04/07/2009 3:15:50 PM

    Whether or not it was indecent is immaterial. What is important is whether or not the USA violated it's own laws (because we apparently have no regard for international laws that we helped write). If the law was violated, the perpatrators must be prosecuted. Nobody is above the law.

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