You had Hitler Incarnate In George W. Bush
An Mussolini In the Form Dick Cheney
An you Voted their A!!es for 2 Terms...
They Both left You with a 15 Trillion Dollar Debt, A bankrupt and Bailed Out...
Wall Street, AIG, US Auto Makers and Bankrupt Banks [Bank Of America & Citi-Group]
You Low Life Hypocrites...
Obama's been in Office for 3-12 Months and he has to Clean this [S-it Up]
You Low Life's are AMAZING !!
just say that You hate Him Because he's Not the Corporate Color...
You Might as Well, you're saying Everything but !!
Politics
Mixed Review
NEWSWEEK Poll: Obama's approval ratings remain high, but a growing number of Americans are skeptical about his approach to fixing the economy.
Apr 3, 2009
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Posted By: Anthonyrio @ 05/01/2009 7:33:05 PM
It is amazing how many people only understand history and how it effects time from the last president. The ignorance in the US and around the world about the US, the power, Obama, the Palestinian lands, Germany, Communism is so distorted now it is almost a joke to try to argue or teach people anything. The only recommendation I have is for everyone to start from about 1850 in Europe, begin reading about how our education system was developed, how our business's became powerful, how we entered the real WWI and II, How we are destroying our own middle class through 1978 policy wars against the middle class. Wake up people and don't try to comment on things you only have an understanding of based on the TV and revised History. Better yet, go back to Rome and start there and when you get back to 2009, read it again so you can make sense. Idiots.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/09/2009 10:11:57 PM
So much tiring BS here... Where's my Lynn Bracken? ; )
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/09/2009 10:57:09 PM
Forty4-BW-I don't know where Lynn is but I sure could use some support. Again, I'm the subject and I am embarassed.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/09/2009 11:16:36 PM
Don't be embarresed, and don't take offense of me thinking of you as Lynn Bracken.... I had no trouble of thinking of you as Kim Basinger in that film... smart, nice, sweet, maybe a little misguided... lol... I really like the way the story ended.. You?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 7:22:17 AM
BS.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/23/2009 9:43:55 PM
Pia, you are the biggest baby! I've read this thread and seen the abrupt, childish reactions you've had to someone (who's seems to have been only nice to you) for something I said! I always thought you were an immature brat here, but now you've proved it.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/24/2009 1:37:20 PM
Fortunate Fox -One last comment from me to you before I leave this article...Here goes... I saw that link to a movie you posted to 40 a couple months back. One word for you. VICIOUS. Who do you think you are posting abusive garbage like that to a human being? Nothing. In addition to your viciousness, I see you as a bitter, mean, jealous, fat, old lady. Your comments to most of us here are the evidence of your character. For you to actually believe I could ever be envious of you is laughable. Do yourself a favor from now on, don't post to me any comments ever again.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/25/2009 11:02:34 PM
Such an angry girl. I thought you said you had no interest in that link and had no interest in going there? Obviously, you changed your mind. Either way, you are once again incorrect. That was a beautiful song about lost love, it wasn't in any way abusive and it wasn't meant to be. (Well, maybe a little chiding) Maybe if 40 didn't act like jilted eighth grader, people wouldn't chide him so. And don't even tell me I'm the only one here at NW that does that.
Regarding your assertions that I'm vicious, bitter, fat, old, ugly and a witch... like you, I am none of those things. I had a polite exchange with Forty and it is you that became jealous. And over something I said, not him. And I see you're still blaming him for "playing games." If you're going to blame someone (though you don't have the grounds) blame me. As for "setting you up", PLEASE! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you two were committed to each other, let alone getting married. So enough of the theatrics. TTR is right enough as it is.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/26/2009 1:59:53 AM
Well, well WannaBeFox does her MMEEEOOOWWWW! routine again. What a surprise!
You always do the same routine on Pia, MostNarcissisticallyNamedPosterEver.
Hiss, Hiss!
Been wondering how you picked that name.
Why not MostBeautifulPosterEver?
Why not HotBabe?
Why not HeyLookAtMe?
From your really lame posts everywhere, I think you should consider changing your name to IReallyAmAsStupidAsMyPosts.
MMEEEOOOOWWWWW! ! !
Hiss, Hiss!
What's your problem? What's your issue with Pia? You've never been anything but nasty, snarky to Pia, about Pia, about her friends in order to get at Pia...
Is that problem like the one that caused you to choose that narcissistic name?
That insecure name. Like you don't hear it enough, so you use it so you can think of it every post?
You lurk a lot. You certainly know by now that Pia has many friends, more than just the ones you fixate on.
So that's the problem? All the men like Pia. And most of women posters too. She's the most popular person at NW.
But no one, no one likes you. Everyone dislikes you. For all the same reasons.
Hiss, Hiss! ! ! !
Are you really that vicious and mean? Or are you just looking for attention, you know that really, really foxy name, and no one cares?
Someone else has a better name for you. Spotted you right off. It's a name I have said not to post, so I won't now. But it's the first name that came to my mind after I got done wondering about that insecure name you chose for yourself.
It is a name that I have never said to a woman. A few have brought it mind, reasons why that name came to be used in the first place, but I've got to say, and I dearly want you to know that if I were ever to use that word, You're The One, WhatKindofFox?
Now remember, doooo use the cat box. It's always a mess to clean up when you p!ss in your own bed...
And it really does smell badly already.
Hmmmmm. Maybe that's part of the problem...
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/26/2009 10:07:15 AM
It's Superman to the rescue!!! It doesn't surprise me that you chimed in. You continually prove yourself to be a lovesick, jilted little puppy... and the regulars here know it.
You're one to comment about user names! As always, you think you know what you're talking about, and as always, you're clueless. My user name came from a character in a children's story. At least it isn't fraudulent like yours... you're no more a Republican than Barrack Obama. Your silly charade makes you look every bit as laughable as you sound, so if anyone needs to change their user name, it's you. Many here have already suggested you do so. So far, you're the only one who has suggested I change mine. And did you take a poll there 40 about who likes who here at NW? I don't need to take one to see who dislikes you... it's prominently displayed in most of the replies to your posts. "Fraudulent" is mentioned often. You are fun to watch though. TTR and Paul spank you on a daily basis, and of course, you always show up for more! (so much for being Superman)
I don't have anything against Pia, other than her tirade over a simple exchange between someone else and myself (that didn't involve her) and then calling me every name in the book. Anything prior is NW standard stuff that goes on between all of us here on opposite sides. The problem is you actually believe being "snarky" is reserved only for you and your friends.
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Posted By: Under_the_Microscope @ 04/26/2009 12:32:55 PM
@Fortunate Fox
I'm a co-worker of Pia's. Although I rarely post except on the Science board, I read here every sunday morning. I have seen many of your nasty remarks directed at President Obama's supporters and mostly at Pia. I have been following this little jealousy thing of yours for weeks.
Everyone who reads and posts here knows that the object of your unrequited affection has been leaving romantic messages to Pia on several articles. The messages were moved to one article in particular that no one had been to in months for privacy. You injected yourself in that conversation by posting to Pia a snarky remark that was unwarranted. What's your problem, you never been kissed?
Poor Fox, the man you love obviously wants Pia, not you. This is why you followed them around and spied on them. Take my advice, stop embarassing yourself and the man you love. You posted to Pia recently that you love him. Like I said, I read. If you're a little fuzzy about that love message, I can post that up again to refresh your memory.-
Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/26/2009 2:07:35 PM
You mean this one?
Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 11:15:02 PME Quote: "I also know we have something in common... We both love BW..... lol"
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Posted By: Under_the_Microscope @ 04/26/2009 2:17:22 PM
@Fortunate Fox.
That one. Have a great sunday and make sure you enjoy the embarassment you caused the man you supposedly love.
It is indeed obvious who I am. I'm one of many friends Pia has. If you want friends and lovers of your own, learn how to be human.-
Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/26/2009 2:26:23 PM
You mean like this?
"Be warned, if you continue, I will hurt you, badly. I've done it to others. Some never came back. The ones who did, came back under new usernames."
And you might start with a little honesty Pia.-
Posted By: Under_the_Microscope @ 04/26/2009 2:42:51 PM
@Fortunate Fox
I don't read here very often therefore I cannot comment on this particular message that you say Pia made to someone. Was it to you? If not, I suggest you mind your own business, but knowing from reading you, more than likely this was taken out of context. You only continue to attack Pia over and over again because the guy you want nixed you for her. Go cry yourself a river. Then take a bath.
Stop lying. You are neither cunning nor sly. A weasel is the better name for you.-
Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/26/2009 2:59:32 PM
Of course you can comment... the post is right below and you know it isn't directed at me.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/26/2009 2:28:57 PM
The only embarrassment here was the degrading comments left someone who didn't deserve them.
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Posted By: Under_the_Microscope @ 04/26/2009 2:45:03 PM
You love him so much, go comfort him.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/26/2009 2:10:37 AM
Sorry. Have to post it again. It's so... pretty... pretty like a self-named Fox....
Well, well WannaBeFox does her MMEEEOOOWWWW! routine again. What a surprise!
You always do the same routine on Pia, MostNarcissisticallyNamedPosterEver.
Hiss, Hiss!
Been wondering how you picked that name.
Why not MostBeautifulPosterEver?
Why not HotBabe?
Why not HeyLookAtMe?
From your really lame posts everywhere, I think you should consider changing your name to IReallyAmAsStupidAsMyPosts.
MMEEEOOOOWWWWW! ! !
Hiss, Hiss!
What's your problem? What's your issue with Pia? You've never been anything but nasty, snarky to Pia, about Pia, about her friends in order to get at Pia...
Is that problem like the one that caused you to choose that narcissistic name?
That insecure name. Like you don't hear it enough, so you use it so you can think of it every post?
You lurk a lot. You certainly know by now that Pia has many friends, more than just the ones you fixate on.
So that's the problem? All the men like Pia. And most of women posters too. She's the most popular person at NW.
But no one, no one likes you. Everyone dislikes you. For all the same reasons.
Hiss, Hiss! ! ! !
Are you really that vicious and mean? Or are you just looking for attention, you know that really, really foxy name, and no one cares?
Someone else has a better name for you. Spotted you right off. It's a name I have said not to post, so I won't now. But it's the first name that came to my mind after I got done wondering about that insecure name you chose for yourself.
It is a name that I have never said to a woman. A few have brought it mind, reasons why that name came to be used in the first place, but I've got to say, and I dearly want you to know that if I were ever to use that word, You're The One, WhatKindofFox?
Now remember, doooo use the cat box. It's always a mess to clean up when you p!ss in your own bed...
And it really does smell badly already.
Hmmmmm. Maybe that's part of the problem...
Hiss, Hiss MostNarcissisticallyNamedPosterEver!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/23/2009 10:19:30 PM
FF-I'm a grown woman. Tell me, what were you doing on that article which was for a private conversation between Bud and I? An old article that was meant for him and I. I wanted him there, no one else, that is why I posted it to him. Why were you there? What was that all about ? To get a reaction from me? Bud is nice, he's wonderful and I like him a lot. He is also a grown man. The posts here were because I was embarassed. I admit I jumped the gun. I don't like people playing games with me. Perhaps if you had not shown up there, nothing would have happened. Tell Bud I 'd like to talk to him personally. If he wants to talk to me too, he knows where to find me. If not, that's fine.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/10/2009 1:27:45 AM
I loved the ending.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 10:49:38 AM
Who cares about that ending? Dumb and dumber!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/09/2009 11:29:00 PM
Forty4-I'm not embarassed over that. It's over all this drama I seem to cause. I don't mean to. Read my post to you below.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/09/2009 11:22:59 PM
Forty4-I'm flattered, that's a nice compliment, thank you.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 7:32:40 AM
F4-where is your Lynn Bracken? Certainly not here. Wrong article.
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Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 04/19/2009 6:25:09 PM
Obama's big spending and increasing the size of the federal government is causing me to distance myself from the democrat party. I will not vote to send him a rubberstamp congress which means even though I have always been registered as a democrat, I am not a stupid follower who will folllow a party to destruction of our American values. I will vote to bring balance to congress and will vote for someone other than a democrat. I don't care about abortion, gay rights and all of those personal issues which should be left to each state and to each individual. We need to put a STOP to the overextension of our federal government...THIS MEANS OPPOSING Barack Obama. We need to STOP this overextension in order to preserve our American freedoms. I was happy to see the Aporil 15th Tax Tea Parties. I didn't attend the Tea Party in my area but I fully support the idea. I am sick of the federal government trying to take over all of our money and control of our personal lives. Take a look at the history of the founding of our United States. The federal government's primary mission was to protect our borders and to protect us internationally.
My God, please help us dear God...our federal government with Obama as president of the United States is becoming like a cancer. It is trying to take over every cell of our life. Those of us who descend from many generations of Americans and who understand the reality of being "born free" will fight to block this cancer from spreading before it devours us. I think this spirit in the American people will spread and block the destructive agenda Barack Obama has for this country. America will bounce back to a thriving economy because of this spirit of the American people. It will be the people who will turn our economy around...not Obama's big and wasteful spending bills. I don't think Obama will be very popular at the end of this year, and I think he will get a very different congress in the next election who will show him how bipartisanship works. The American people will show Barack Obama that we run this country!!! USA! USA! USA!-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/19/2009 6:37:55 PM
"The American people will show Barack Obama that we run this country!!! USA! USA! USA!"
And you did a swell job of it too.-
Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/19/2009 8:23:59 PM
Only a fool would think the Republicans single handedly put us where we are, which is what you indicated. C'mon 40, stop behaving like a Democrat. Remember? You're a 40 Year... something or other
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/20/2009 10:41:33 PM
FF- Well, well if it's not Hiss, Hiss Misnomer doing her MEEEOOOOWWWWW! routine again.
I've said before that there is more blame to go around than anyone has a use for. But, by no means does that mean that I haven't researched what actually happened, who introduced legislation, who voted how, and who spent millions on lobbying to influence legislation. I started with believing what the anonymous emails said. Then I did the research to find the truth. I now know where the vast primary blame lies, and I do not let my party affiliation blind me to the truth. That is just one of the big differences between us.
So let's get straight with each other:
Only a fool believes the propaganda about what happened with our financial crisis. If you are going to stick with your proposition on blame, post the proposition and reasons, and I will make a point of responding with particulars.
Only a fool wants to blame this administration for what went wrong, or for doing what is necessary.
Only a fool is such a partisan dupe apologist as to want to forget who was president the last eight years and who controlled Congress the first six when the conditions were created that resulted in the recession we're in now.
Only a fool says, as you have to me, that Dubya and the neocons were right to prematurely invade Iraq and thereby mess up on Afghanistan.
Only a fool says, as you have to me, that Rush Limbaugh isn't a raging racist.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/24/2009 1:27:22 PM
Can't find this one FF? Been busy?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/21/2009 1:08:41 AM
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/20/2009 2:57:37 PM
FF-40 is not a fool. He is one of the few intelligent people I know on NW.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/21/2009 1:50:34 PM
Morgan, I want to add a little tidbit about the Tea Party. Just in case you believe that the attendance was of one million....breaking news! it wasn't even 100 thousand, not 50 thousand, not even 25 thousand..closer to 10 thou.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/21/2009 1:45:13 PM
Interesting Morgan, didn't know you are a Democrat. I don't agree with your comments, but I respect them.
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Posted By: katoneth @ 04/19/2009 2:27:31 PM
I can't understand how the people of this once great country could think that a MONKEY will do anything for us. The MONKEY has never had a high approval rating with me. Maybe he needs to go to Africa and hang out with the other MONKEYS.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/19/2009 3:09:26 PM
You demonstrated your incapacity for understanding, katoneth. You didn't have to tell us you can't.
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Posted By: katoneth @ 04/19/2009 3:27:18 PM
You must have voted for the monkey, maybe we should send you to Africa with him.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/19/2009 4:43:09 PM
Your racism only injures you, katoneth. We humans have moved beyond that.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/19/2009 8:54:03 PM
I don't want to "should" on you 40, but surely you know you should not address and give credit to an imbecile like this?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/24/2009 1:14:43 PM
You do lots of 'shoulds' FF. You wouldn't want me exposing any racists, would you? You don't get enough of that from listening to Rush?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/20/2009 2:37:01 PM
FF- 40 was doing what we should be doing. Fighting racism anywhere we find it. I did the same.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/19/2009 8:39:18 PM
This is a sad person.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/19/2009 8:31:45 PM
katoneth-I feel sorrow for you because you seem to have a heart full of hate yet you don't know why. Nothing good ever comes from hating. In the end it affects you the most.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/17/2009 8:40:47 PM
Well, well, Mr. BW is back. How was LA? I left you another post here, below yours.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/17/2009 9:48:43 PM
LA is as it as you would think it to be... Done with work and just left the Frolic Room after a couple of Glen Fiddich neat's....
And how is my Lynn Bracken this evening? Tangling as usual? ; )-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/17/2009 9:59:45 PM
Hi Bud. I'm doing well, thank you. I'm listening to one of my favorite rock bands.... What is the Frolic Room? A nightclub?
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/17/2009 10:41:58 PM
The Frolic Room is a bar at Hollywood and Vine next to the Pantages Theater. Great old place that defines old Hollywood.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 11:14:54 AM
Old Lynn would love it but Pia would not. Remember my name is Pia.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/17/2009 11:01:01 PM
Bud,I forgot to add to my comment below that yes, Lynn would love it. Lynn would love liqouers such as Amaretto, Frangelica and Khalua. You?
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/17/2009 11:36:38 PM
Liqueurs are nice...I like them but overall I prefer whiskey neat. I have been known to enjoy a Kahlua an cream... if it's really late....
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/17/2009 11:47:11 PM
I'm glad you enjoy liqueurs...you spelled the word correctly..I didn't. Wiskey- strong stuff for me..I'd be holding up the walls..lol.. Wiskey is of course a very potent drink. So, Jack, (may I call you Jack?), what are your thoughts on,1) this silly score card TTR posted and 2) that article, the one you went to last week. Thank you.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/18/2009 12:19:52 AM
Yes, by all means please call me Jack. And please, let the thing between you and TTR go. You'll hate me for this, but I actually like you both.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/18/2009 12:24:08 AM
I'd never hate you Jack. I think TTR was trying to have some fun, but I don't think fun should be at others' expense. It's over now. So, did you reply to the two posts on that article?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/17/2009 10:54:54 PM
You live in LA then. Fabulous!
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/17/2009 11:48:14 PM
Yes, I was born here. With all the stuff I embrace on a daily basis...I do love California.
The rose and turquoise sunsets in Redondo Beach keep me here....-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/17/2009 11:53:43 PM
A true Californian then...I'm impressed esp with you living in a big city such as Los Angeles. The rose and turquoise sunsets must be spectacular! Two of my favorite colors..
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/18/2009 12:00:06 AM
I have always loved the west coast. I could live elsewhere, but reluctantly.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/18/2009 12:18:39 AM
For one thing your climate is mild year round and of course the sunny days, the orange groves...the vineyards..beautiful I'm sure. I live in the Northeast and love it.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/11/2009 10:28:38 PM
Hi there Lynn.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/11/2009 10:44:29 PM
Forty4/Bud..how are you this evening? Working? I watched the film last night. Excellent! I loved the ending. I liked Ed Ixley and Bud White of course. I of course hated Dudley. and that murderous DA who killed the young guy.Monster!
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/12/2009 2:36:07 AM
Hey there Sweet P... Ed Exley was one of those guys who actually evolved in a way that people could actually like him.... There's a few guys I work with that resemble him. As for Sargent J.Vincennes.... if he never existed... I don't want to know it.
Thank God, I never met or worked with anyone like Dudley. But I will say as dastardly as he is, James Cromwell is a genius.
I've had enough of this site and enough of LA.... I'm ready to leave with you in our '53 Chevy for Arizona. Do you have your bags packed Lynn?-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 11:11:37 AM
Forty4-I'm not that sweet.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/12/2009 2:41:31 AM
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Jack-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 11:37:50 PM
J-very nice, thank you.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 11:37:20 PM
J-I really enjoyed the movie. BW was a good guy but he did things he should not have been doing. He wasnt corrupt like the others though. LB was being used of course..she was misguided but had a good heart. I liked Ed Exley even though at first he seemed to be very selfcentered and selfserving..it was because of his father was it not? Vincennes was greedy, yet charismatic..his smile made him look nice, you wanted to trust him. He looked great in his clothing. I have seen Kevin Spacey before but never noticed how tall he is.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/12/2009 11:14:50 AM
Geez... how forward can I get? My apology, I hope you didn't take offense. I'm normally quite reserved, at least in that way... I had drifted into dreamland when I posted and was revealing my fondness for the end of my favorite flick. And that's Sergeant J. Vincennes. Lol... gotta love the non-editor here at NW.
Thanks for remembering where we were "introduced." What a great exchange... it's nice to see how people here at NW can evolve for the better. Re reading that from November gave me a huge smile.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 11:29:47 PM
Forty4-No apology needed. I am not offended. Thinking of riding in an old 50's car is exciting and we have been enjoying discussing the ending of your favorite movie and your comment was very fitting. Btw-I have never been to AZ!
That old article. That was funny. Was I really that bad back then? Blame it on Obama! I was only defending him! I'd like to go there again and finally put and end that discussion. Join me there when you have time? Thanks.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/12/2009 12:19:29 AM
Hey there little Lynn, Just got off the night shift... I've missed talking with you.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 12:30:25 AM
Hello Mr. White. How are you? Very tired? Are you ready for Easter celebration? Guess what? I am going to wear an Easter lily perfume. My favorite!
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/12/2009 12:51:22 AM
Hi there my little Lynn... I've missed talking to you... Ill bet you're as beautiful as your liliy.....
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 11:06:38 AM
Blah, blah, and blah!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 1:00:14 AM
It's nice to be missed. I miss not talking to you too.
Thank you for saying I'm beautiful like a lily. I'm doing well, thank you. And you? Forty4- as Lynn said to Bud, Tuffy says to you Forty4... if we're going to talk shouldn't I at least know your first name? First letter perhaps? Lol..-
Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/12/2009 1:49:23 AM
I like you Pia. I always have... ever since you wanted to "step outside" with me. lol....
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 11:16:49 PM
Forty4-Likewise including the stepping outside....I'd hurt my little hands though...lol..
Thank you. Jack is a warm and very nice name.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 1:24:45 AM
B must be off to Dreamland. Good night. Forty4,when you get around to it, check out the article about Obama from last year. I'm not sure which pages but there are good memories of that time.
Happy Easter Forty4!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 7:27:59 AM
Forty4- My name is Pia.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/11/2009 10:34:19 PM
Hi B.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/22/2009 11:01:28 AM
See, many here are not too bright to understand that just like the article says, yes, Obama's approval ratings do remain high! Lucky man!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/18/2009 9:29:43 AM
P-I replied to your comments. Thanks.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/18/2009 12:42:48 AM
Pia, I'm having trouble finding the "age" article again...
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/18/2009 12:45:57 AM
Bud, do a search for that article to access.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/18/2009 12:43:01 AM
Jack, 1am here. Good night. I hope to read you on that other article this weekend perhaps. The one from november you read last week.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/09/2009 10:39:54 AM
GM Pia! A smile for you about Obama for the day. A 'few' here want to diss Obama for his recent trip (but, of course, they respect the office...), but I caught part of a speech by Ahmadinejad on News Hour last night:
Ahmadinejad: If a hand is extended to Iran with honesty and justice, the Iranian nation will welcome it. But if it is a hand extended with covert dishonesty, the Iranian nation's response to that will be the same as it gave to Mr. Bush.
As they say, talk to your enemies. It's been (what?) 30 years since there has been any public willingness on Iran's part to have any kind of dialogue. What good has our vilification done about anybody? Turkey refused to allow Bush access through Turkey for Iraq; now they're freinds again. Now Iran is willing to talk.
So much for the old spit in the eye to Obama for his capabilities, huh?
Every day, I am more proud to be American again, and I'm more impressed with both of the Obamas. :-)-
Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/09/2009 11:43:42 AM
You don't seem very obje tive about Obama. I am reminded of all those Bush supporters who could see no wrong in him. Without objectivity you lack credibility and perspective. PS I don't think you are jealous of Paul. But you seem a bit territorial.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/09/2009 12:01:31 PM
Well... you did get it right that there's nothing to be jealous about...
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Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/09/2009 12:47:16 PM
Did I member you saying you were an attorney in a previous post. My daughter is in her second year of law school. She can't wait until she graduates.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/09/2009 1:27:52 PM
Don't know if I should say these things, but... During it, law school was a massive grind, but I have very favorable memories. Can't think of anything that could possibly hone more rigorous analytical thinking. But... practicing law... Had the great good fortune to work with some of the very best lawyers and clients. There was much that was stimulating and gratifying...But it is a grind that I can't put into words. I tell people now that no person should put themselves through it, especially in private practice. I don't know a single lawyer who is truly happy practising law. The basic most 'civilized' life in law practice that I experienced was in-house corporate. Civilized hours. Got recruited into private practice and took the money... mistake. When my daughter told me she wanted to go to law school, we had a chat. She now runs a lab doing genetic research, and loves it. I should have become a doc. My highest aptitudes were the sciences, and I started out in that direction. Young and too empathetic, was even queasy dissecting a fetal pig, and there never was anyone in the labs... so I went into 'the next best thing'. Should have quit law and gone back to med school, but by the time I realized that I was married and a father. Hope I haven't bummed you out with this, but I'll say it: it's not too late to change directions. Once you get in, it gets harder and harder to do that, although most lawyers would if they could. Hope I didn't say too much...
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Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/10/2009 11:26:14 AM
Your comments are pretty much what she has heard. She is more interesting in working in the area of labor and employment law for the government ith an emphasis on mediation. This is the area her internships have been in. She also has an undergraduate degree in government with a minor in economics. With her background there are several different career paths she could take. At one time she considered med school. Like you she excelled in science but she did not want to spend that much time in school. Hopefully whereever she lands she will love what she does.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/10/2009 4:15:40 PM
paproudmom, working in government can be as reasonable hours-wise as inhouse counsel. Government pay isn't as good, but in retrospect I would make that compromise, and there is much to say about a good pension- far more than most realize when they're young and are never going to grow old. Doing what you love is a rare thing (I loved the intellectual stimulation of law school; undergrad was boring). Doing mortgages is the first job I ever loved because I get to help folks with important stuff, shoot straight, best deal. Not intellectually stimulating, but as gratifying on a one-to-one real people basis, and without the conflict (and fighting off BS) inherent in the law. About the time in school.... A little more personal perspective. It took me 7 years to get BA because I worked full time. I was just more mature and more ready to get on with life. Med school is longer, but I had several friends in med school while I was in law school. You obviously need to be smart for med school, but it's not anywhere near the grind of law school, not even the internship. Black and white on hours, and quality of life. Every doc I know is happy with their professional life and the gratification they get. Can't imagine any law practice in the same universe. My biggest professional mistake. I would now have gone to med school (even after law school), spent more time and money, knowing what I know now. I'm grateful that I love what I do now, but I now know also that I would have been far more gratified being a doc. Final thought on that love thing: life is hard, then you die. Do the thing you're gonna dig. All the best to your daughter. :-)
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Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/10/2009 7:04:03 PM
Thanks for sharing. You have very good insights into the field. I agree it is important to do what is going to make you happy and if it means taking a little less in pay with better long term benefits well it is worth it. My daughter has seen how many hours my husband works and while she wants to work hard. She wants to have more balance. Thanks.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/10/2009 8:05:33 PM
You're certainly welcome paproudmom. I'm sure you inquired because you care about your daughter. Mine are just one set of eyes. But, please do tell me hubby's not stuck in that lawyer trap toooooo...
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/10/2009 11:34:37 PM
paproudmom, You know that there a couple deranged ankle biters who have been all over me because I'm willing to share info with you. I saw your opposition. Thank you. Hasn't done any good, but nothing ever has.
It just dawned on me that I have not shared with you the most significant observation/thought I have about being a lawyer. It has to do with morals, ethics and (literally) losing minds.
I have no need to pontificate. Share info. Happy. Exchange exchange and debate views?: What this place ought to be.
Let me know if you might be interested. If yes, then I'll tell you and just let the ankle biters gnaw away and butt slap each other about how humorous and witty they are.-
Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/14/2009 3:58:31 PM
Sorry I have not been on this blog for a while. I always enjoy hearing others ideas or opinions. I appreciate any insights you have. They are just being silly.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/16/2009 2:06:34 PM
No, not silly. Silly is...
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/10/2009 5:03:44 PM
P.S. Your daughter probably knows this, paproudmom, but nobody told me. It's not accumulation of knowledge. It is developing the capacity to sift through and absorb many facts, identify the relevant and crucial ones, know what are the red herrings, analyse matters logically from both sides, and develop a coherent logic that supports your conclusion and prepares you to deal with and fend off what the 'bad guy' throws at you, 'cause they're gonna. Study for that and just enough to do well on those exams (my biggest mistake in law school was over doing it; I didn't know), make time for fun and personal life, and then study like a banshee to get past the bar exam. Law school doesn't teach you to be a lawyer. It prepares you to learn how to become one when you get into practice.
Btw, Paper Chase is a great movie for perspective and how looney law students get from all the pressure and lack of sleep. We were convinced that the main professor character was modeled after one of our professors, but he wasn't. Still, that professor prepared me best for critical analysis and thinking under pressure. He made me determined and I studied like an SOB so he wouldn't be able to crush me like he did so many.-
Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/10/2009 7:00:25 PM
Sounds like good advice. I'll pass it on to my daughter. Thanks and have a great weekend.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/11/2009 5:04:23 PM
You're welcome paproudmom and the same to you and your family.
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Posted By: brydges @ 04/14/2009 10:35:22 AM
Sure the Iranian's love Obama, they watch him destroy America with Socialism and bow down to oppressive Muslim rulers. All the while they can build their nukes because no one has the guts to do anyhting about it.Why would they hate us any longer when they have won.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 11:13:06 AM
Brydges-Are we back to this Socialism again? Obama is not destroying America with Socialism. In addition, he has only been in office for three months. Let's give the man a break and put a little trust in our new president instead of complaining all the time. Repairing our damaged economy may take a couple of years and anything can happen along the way. I don't know much about economics but I do trust the president in doing what he feels is best. 40YearR feels that it may take a year. I hope he sees your post and replies.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 1:34:43 PM
Hi Pia! Good to see you back!
Well, yeah, the economists I've read and heard lately are still thalking along the lines of this March Wall Street Journal:
"Meanwhile, the economists surveyed this month predict that the economy will shed another 2.8 million jobs over the next 12 months as the unemployment rate climbs to 9.3% by December, up from the 8.1% rate recorded in February. Economists also see nearly a one-in-six chance that the U.S. will fall into a depression..."
The stock market has reacted favorably to how they evaluate what has been done so far. Capitalistic investment houses and citizens.
I think the latest figure I've heard is around 2% negative GDP growth (recession) for the next year world wide and in the same neighborhood for our economy alone. That is why another stimulus may be necessary to keep enough money circulating through the economy while sectors like housing/real estate recover to play their own rolls in the economy.
I'm glad brydges acknowledged that the Socialism he sees (hiding behind every bush?) was already here when Obama took office. Sssssshhh, let's not blame B**h though... I think it must have been Carter... and, you know, he was so powerful, no subsequent president was able to do anything to stop it....-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 11:00:44 PM
Excellent, 40.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/16/2009 1:52:38 PM
Thank you, Lady.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/16/2009 12:40:23 PM
Excellent and informative, 40. Thank you. Sorry I couldn't get to this comment earlier in the week.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/16/2009 1:47:05 PM
Glad. Thanks Pia. Just facts. No problem. You've been busy with ogres and cat-claws...
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/16/2009 10:06:15 AM
As always 40, excellent post. You know your stuff.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 9:58:03 PM
Every time I cruise through here you make me laugh... when, oh when will you stop acting like you're a a republican? LOL! You're no more a a republican than I am a democrat! Why don't you stop your lying-ass charade and just tell everyone what you are.... a nice, soft LIBERAL!! Good grief 40, it can't be that difficult... Change your name to OneYearDemocrat.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 10:13:06 PM
FF-40 is a Republican, he wouldn't lie about that. I think it would be nice of you to be nice to him. 40 has been bashed for days by TTR abd Paulejb. He doesn't need any more from you. Btw-who are you really?
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 10:24:03 PM
Who am I? I am a Republican, Pia. It would be appropriate if 40y, who behaves like a liberal democrat, would claim himself as such. Wouldn't you agree?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 10:59:51 PM
Typical Rushbot nonthink hysterical drivel: If you don't agree with me, get out of the party. Sorry, I was here first, when we won elections because we appealed to moderates too, not just no-think ultrarightwing dogmatists.
You know, Saddam had WMD 'cause he said so. Can't find them despite $millions of rewards, but I believe!
Yeah, Dubya saved the world by taking out Saddam before it was necessary and neglecting Afghanistan and the pledge to get OBL. But I insist!
How is it to be a Rushbot, who is such an outrageously biggoted racist? Oh, he's not? Just say so and I'll post them tomorrow, but of course you won't ask me.
Gotta go. Gnaw away at me, because you're such a righteous republican, the kind that has shrunk the party into insignificance, but it's the MSM, wimp moderates like me, not ideologues like you.
Yes, I actually do have to get off. Just gnaw away. I'll deal with your typical lightweight ideological drivel tomorrow. Just ask me to prove to you that Rush is a racist, or justify how you can listen to the pig, ok?-
Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 11:45:58 PM
Okay....enough of your bullshi40. You're a democrat. Duh.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/15/2009 4:17:22 PM
Aside from your hissy Rushbot nothink ultrarightwing uninformed dogmatic-don't-you-dare-ever-confront-me-with-facts-and-expect-me-to-address-them-because-I-can't-cope drivel, FF, this has been the 'content' of all your posts at NW:
MEEEEOOOOOWWWWW....
Hiss, hiss, Misnomer...
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 10:39:59 PM
I know you are a Rep FF. My question is who are you, FF or Shan? I'm not sure since you once told us that the two of you share a computer at work. I hope you don't think me nosy.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 10:59:10 PM
I am who I said I am, and Shanshayla is who she is. Would you like to defend yourself against those who say you're at least three other people?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 11:03:31 PM
FF-I'm one person, Pia. It is ridiculous of you to even ask since I only asked about your computer, I never implied you were pretending to be someone else. If in doubt about who I am, ask Forty4 whether he thinks I'm a female. He seems to think so.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 11:15:02 PM
Easy Pia.... I know you have only one identity here. I also know we have something in common... We both love BW..... Llo
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 11:19:49 PM
FF-Why would you know about BW? Did you see the movie?
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 11:26:18 PM
And, oh, yesssss.... I've seeeen the movie!
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 11:43:10 PM
FF- The film was a bit too violent, don't you agree?
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 11:23:19 PM
I've been reading this blog, P.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 11:26:51 PM
I'm sure you have and I hope you enjoyed it.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/15/2009 4:11:27 PM
You just hate it when I quote the Wall Street Journal, don't you, FF? What, Rush didn't tell you these things? Then how could anyone expect you to know, right?
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/14/2009 4:35:02 PM
"Today-ay-ay-ay...
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 4:47:34 PM
Yay Alvy! Let's wear a big S for Socialism on your chests.
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/14/2009 6:46:19 PM
We want bread lines!
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/14/2009 10:06:58 PM
You are funny Alvy.
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Posted By: brydges @ 04/14/2009 11:49:14 AM
We are not back to socialism it never left. Yes a huge national debt created by gray haired fools who won???t be around to face its consequences sickens me. Supporters of these policies are misguided, or in the case of 40yr pathological liars caught up in their own delusion.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 1:16:18 PM
Well yessireebob, lots of meat in that post. Propostion followed by explanation. The typical brydges style.
Leading with the old drool routine there brydges?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 1:13:28 PM
If the Iranians have 'won', it's not because of Obama.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/14/2009 9:40:53 PM
Then who is it because of? Is it because of Israel, whom whom they want to destroy? Or Bush, who denied them nuclear weapons? Or Obama, who doesn't doubt a man who states a sovereign nation should be destroyed and who says the holocaust never happened?
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Posted By: varacefan @ 04/14/2009 9:33:13 AM
Sounds like you have a good grasp on things. Oh and if you'll give me your SS# I think I have 100 million dollars your great aunt left you. We saw this coming way before Obama was elected. These guys are loving Obama. They will blow so much smoke up him he will be spitting rings of smoke. I personally have no problem talking with them but would believe about 10% of what they say. I would be more interested in what I could find out about what crap they are up to. In the interest of doing something good you guys will give away the farm to only find out later the bad guys were pulling your leg all along. How many times does this have to happen before you will learn?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/13/2009 9:49:51 AM
Excellent 40.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 3:08:11 AM
T'anks, Lady.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/11/2009 11:14:02 PM
Obama did well with Iran on his trip. A little diplomacy can go a long way.
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Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/09/2009 1:11:34 PM
Every day I am proud to be an American. I am not embarrassed to be American, I did not vote for Obama and as such, have no reason to be embarrassed by his lack of ability to lead. I am a veteran and have seen a number of different presidents, some so-so, some bad, none really good. Where GWB was so narrow mindedly ignorant that every time he opend his mouth chunks of stupid fell out, BHO is so inexperienced and unqualified that when he opens his mouth, chunks of incompetency fall out (unless he is led along by a telleprompter, in which case he appears as an unthinking robot). I did not vote for either BHO or MCC, neither individual is qualified or competent to lead this country. How anyone can approve of Obama's leadership is beyond me. I guess if you live in LaLa land, where he is supposedly sooo perfect and the words "Hope" and "Change" really do work like magic, then you can approve of him. Whatever is in your koolaid folks, when you run out, it's going to be a big let down and your fix will be gone.
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/09/2009 1:21:47 PM
The problem is, you're amongst those who say he's incompetent while displaying complete incompetency.
You were pretty useless in June, and you're pretty useless now.
What makes you competent? You can judge without knowing the outcome?
That's your claim: Duh, incompetency falls out of his mouth, duh.
Smart.
Then there's the backwards "kool aid" "your fix" clever hillbilly slam.
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Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/09/2009 2:33:00 PM
Useless in June? I disagree. I did my part, small though it may have been - I did it. I'm no hillbilly, I disagree with the statement that Obama is socialist. By nature of his political alignment, it may seem that way, but he is not. My statement is that he is not qualified or competent enough to run this country. I stand by those words, your insults aside. So far, his inept decsisons as to cabinet members, his blatant backpedaliing about lobbiests in the administeration. no "old guard" politicians, etc had decidedly put his lack of leadership skill in the limelight. A liar is not a leader. Competency may be gained by adept students. I believe he is not as adept at leadership as his many followers may think- hence the kooliad analogy. Obamicans have been lulled into supporting him because he used those magic words and when the harsh reality hits them in the head, the high will be gone and the 'fix" with it. Change is too hard for them, and hope will fade when they realize it. If they will do their homework next time instead of listening to propaganda, tehy may be able to do the right thing instead of the popular thing.
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/09/2009 7:48:07 PM
You failed in June, and you fail now.
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Posted By: Debunked! @ 04/09/2009 10:43:55 AM
Pia, one last thing-----you became very upset when I posted Obama being mocked on a show in Turkey-----the MSM isn't going to show that (and I can understand--but I do want to point out that they had no problem showing and making fun of the guy throwing shoes at Bush) and I doubt they show this---------this is a link to thousands of people protesting Obama's visit in Turkey.
You call me out of touch and dissillusioned. Sorry, but those who are out of touch and dissillusioned are those who believe what the MSM wants them to believe. All this hype over Obama is media made. Obama is as good as the Media makes him and with the media REFUSING to tell people the truth and/or reveal the reality of everything alot of people are left in the dark and believing a lie. The United States of America is more vulnerable than ever and that is a great concern for me. We as Americans really need to recognize and understand that! Now on the flip side, maybe I could be somewhat supportive of Obama because whether I like it or not, he is the President but it is very hard to do especially when I believe that his Presidency is going to cause great harm to us in some fashion. However, I do hope that my gut feeling is so wrong!
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/04/08/astonishing-images-of-turkish-protests/-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/16/2009 12:13:29 AM
DB-Not sure if I already replied to this latest nonsense of yours....yup, BS and nonsense and I'm being kind here.
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Posted By: Zig Zag @ 04/09/2009 9:05:24 PM
Actually, Pia is right, you are delusional and out of touch. Not to mention an idiot.
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/14/2009 7:34:51 PM
You are still the wiseacre, and good at it.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/14/2009 8:58:15 PM
Actually, he's wrong.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 9:11:02 PM
What's Debunked! right on Pallisor? Obama's birth certificate, Obama was born in Kenya? Obama won the election because ACORN and those other creepy blacks engaged in so much voter intimidation and fraud?
In terms of pure hysteria, Pallisor, Debunked! is my Kool-Aid Queen.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/14/2009 8:57:28 PM
Actually, he's wrong.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/13/2009 7:38:21 AM
Actually, he is correct about the MSM not reporting this, and that they were relentless in jumping on anything Bush did that could hurt or embarrass him. The shoe throwing incident by one Iraqi was repeated ad nauseam, but an organized protest in Turkey was deemed unworthy of reporting. You can't find a better example of mainstream media bias.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/13/2009 9:48:50 AM
Pallisor-so what about the organized protest in Turkey? They were protesting against Obama?
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/13/2009 12:04:00 PM
Yes. From what I gather they are afraid his demands will divide the country. I haven't been able to find much else.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/13/2009 12:14:33 PM
Pallisor-I have not read anything about the Turkey protests just what you posted. It's not the first time protestors have done this...Pres. Bush and others have gotten the same.
No more shoe throwing...or maybe....I'll throw mine at you if you repeat with this shoe throwing at Obama. Women's shoes would hurt, trust me.-
Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/13/2009 12:47:17 PM
Yeah I better mind my p's and q's... I've read about those four inch spikes of yours.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/13/2009 1:16:40 PM
Very cute Pallisor.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/13/2009 1:46:21 PM
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/13/2009 9:35:09 AM
One other point: Some of the MSM have finally admitted to their bias. Similar to "Professional Wrestling" finally admitting its shows were fake, it was so blatantly and painfully obvious to the viewer that to continue lying about it was absurd.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/13/2009 12:33:17 AM
Lol! Thanks, Zig.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/09/2009 3:51:29 PM
Debunked-I also became upset over the bashing of Pres. Bush because of the shoe throwing incident. I did not join in the bashing, I defended him as I have done dozens of times here. It was wrong and disrespectful of the man to throw the shoes and I said so on the article.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/13/2009 10:06:54 PM
Hi Pia! I just got back in the door, started the computer and your Hallmark had just arrived! What a welcome home! I enjoyed the music as well; it matches the sentiment perfectly. I will.
Just took a quick skim. Well, so paulejb has got himself a tag team buddy now... What a surprise? What taste. What character discernment... Just compare that selection with what he has to say about your friends.
All your friends are scum. You don't know, he says. He'll tell you. I skimmed your posts for me and for Alvy. You know, long histories. But that's not good enough for him, is it?
I guess I've got some catching up to do. Emails first. Then ...
On Alvy, you've known him so much better and longer than I. Have you ever seen anyone at NW so witty? I haven't seen anyone near his level. Wonder who's going to disagree with that!
But, here's the real question: Have you ever seen Alvy declare how witty he is? He doesn't have the deficit compulsion to do so once that I've seen, let alone constantly. Quite a contrast. Says everything about that aspect...
Hope to see you soon. You have friends. Sorry I was gone so long, but you seem to have things quite where they belong. :-)-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 9:53:54 AM
40-You've outdone yourself as usual. Excellent comment!
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 4:25:42 PM
I keep enjoying it. :-)
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/13/2009 10:16:09 PM
P.S. Sorry for the double posts. The login gremlin is back. Slow going also because the NW server is still giving beige pages or half pages intermittently. Seems to go in waves.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/14/2009 9:52:45 AM
That's all right 40. I have been having the same problem accessing the NW pages.
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Posted By: varacefan @ 04/14/2009 9:18:51 AM
The reason his approval ratings are high is at least 45% of the public has No Clue! They put more thought into Dancing With the Stars or American Idol. Their #1 concern is what new cell phone to get or how to steal songs for their iPod. Really this group is totally disconnected from what is going on in the world. Ask them about 2 questions concerning current events and their lack of understanding will shine thru. How do you think the guy got elected in the first place?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/13/2009 10:02:14 PM
Hi Pia! I just got back in the door, started the computer and your Hallmark had just arrived! What a welcome home! I enjoyed the music as well; it matches the sentiment perfectly. I will.
Just took a quick skim. Well, so paulejb has got himself a tag team buddy now... What a surprise? What taste.
All your friends are scum. You don't know, he says. He'll tell you. I skimmed your posts for me and for Alvy. You know, long histories. But that's not good enough for him, is it?
I guess I've got some catching up to do. Emails first. Then ...
On Alvy, you've known him so much better and longer than I. Have you ever seen anyone at NW so witty? I haven't seen anyone near his level. Wonder who's going to disagree with that!
But, here's the real question: Have you ever seen Alvy declare how witty he is? He doesn't have the deficit compulsion to do so once that I've seen, let alone constantly. Quite a contrast. Says everything about that aspect...
Hope to see you soon. You have friends. Sorry I was gone so long, but you seem to have things quite where they belong. :-)
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/12/2009 1:53:51 AM
Good night, P.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/11/2009 12:25:18 PM
I see that there is still an argument going on between the same posters bashing each other. This is very a disheartening situation. Now is the time to stop this. This is our holiday weekend. It's meant to be enjoyed.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/11/2009 3:50:48 PM
Hi Pia, Thanks for the sweet one in Hughes. One back waiting for you when you're done with your family. A repeated Happy Easter to you, too.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/11/2009 9:52:06 PM
You're welcome 40. Thank you for yours and thank you for the Easter greetings. I wish you and your family a blessed Easter.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/10/2009 11:01:24 PM
BW-Check out Palin's Wolves article.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/11/2009 3:07:12 AM
Absolutely. Btw, something about Hughes, at all of the places. Something good. :-)
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/11/2009 3:05:39 AM
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/10/2009 12:34:10 PM
WOW...GUESS I FOUND AN EARLY EASTER EGG....MY ENTIRE FAMILY THREATENED BY AN OBAMABOT....I MUST BE DOING SOMTHING RIGHT......
Posted By: izageek @ 04/09/2009 10:17:46 PMYou're either too stupid to understand or unable to due to deep rooted racism. There are no more cases. If you read the ruling you would realize that, or at least a sane person would. The same goes for the FactCheck.org findings. You are delusional and IF YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY YOU'LL DROP THIS MATTER...(capitalization mine)
Looks like the Brown Shirts are coming out of the closet...Guess it's a good thing, I use my 2nd amendment rights.....
NOBAMA!!!.
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Posted By: j911w @ 04/03/2009 8:21:24 PM
BO Stinks. The biggest positive in the media's eyes has been France's embrace of BO. The fact of the matter is that BO doesn't have a clue and is making a mockery of the Office of the President. His backwoods wife even put her arm around the Queen! BO is a FRAUD. WAKE UP America! The rest of the world especially our enemies are laughing themselves to tears. THE EMPEROR DOESN'T HAVE ANY CLOTHES ON!!!! He is and will continue to sell out the USA on every level. 1-20-13 can't come soon enough.
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Posted By: Nor-Cal for Obama @ 04/03/2009 8:46:32 PM
What a bunch of gibberish. You haters are a real laughing stock. Pathetic little minority of sick little deniers..
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Posted By: Dontblameme @ 04/03/2009 11:12:37 PM
You "Bush Haters" are now calling us haters. What hippocrits!
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Posted By: Omaar @ 04/07/2009 3:01:16 PM
Um...
We Don't blame YOU...
We Blame Bush and his 6 Years Majority Ruling Congress and Senate.
Bush left this Country with ...
[[15 Trillion Dollars of Debt]]
I Thought You Low Life's are Concerned with...
[[Generational Debt]]
[HYPOCRITE]
Obama's Spending Stimulus will not start until..
[[2010]]
I guess it does not matter if its a [[Republican President]] and a..
6 Year Majority Ruling [[Republican Senate & Congress]] Screwing up the Country and leaving ...
[[Generational Debt]]
You are [Pathetic]-
Posted By: John Dough @ 04/07/2009 9:47:37 PM
Obama will double the national debt in his first term. The nationaldebt was 10 trillion when Bush left office not 15. It will be fifteen trillion after 2010.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 04/10/2009 8:07:48 AM
Boderline Bull Spit.....
It was well Over 15 Trillion Dollars of Debt...
Talk about [Generational Debt]
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Posted By: John Dough @ 04/07/2009 9:45:25 PM
Bush only had GOP control for only four years but yoou must remember 60 votes are needed in the senate to beat fillibusters whhich by the way the dems did not do!!! They voted overwhelmingly for the war and yoou can watch the videos on YOUTUBE. Particularly Hillary Clinton right after Saddam was captured spouting her support for BUSH AND THE WAR only to deny it all later and of course the liberal media never called her on it. Loook out Hillary there are snipers out on the tarmac!!!
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/07/2009 11:31:12 AM
Nothing worse than a man or woman who hates a good Bush.
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Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/07/2009 3:45:32 PM
I don't hate bush and i don't think others should either. I hate the fact that he conspired with Dick Chaney and Rice manufacture evidence that caused the 4500 lives of our country's best and bravest servicemen and women. I honestly believe he thought it was a slam dunk and not really something he would have done on his own. I can forgive him. For those that perpetuated the lie while knowing the truth, i have no respect. the republicans have decided to continue the lie for political reasons and that dishonors those that gave their lives. God will have to forgive them.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/07/2009 6:30:21 PM
We've been over this ground before. Please show us any credible link where Bush, Cheney or Rice actually manufactured any evidence. A document turned up in Italy is all anyone knows with any certainty. And why do continually defend Saddam Hussein? The man admitted to having chemical weapons, he used them on his own people and neighboring Iran. He always deemed them necessary for his survival. He held televised drills with his troops in full chemical dress gear. He fired shots at UN inspectors, and endured 17 resolutions and 12 years of punishing sanctions... for what? Because he had nothing to hide?
You're foolish enough to believe that just because he didn't leave them out for Bush to find on every street corner that they didn't exist!-
Posted By: RO in Reno @ 04/08/2009 6:00:22 PM
Every reason given to invade Iraq was fabricated; thats why they are called lies. Alan Greenspan noted the truth in his book. The invasion of Iraq was for oil"
I would offer one more, Cash Money" of the 10 billion dollars going to Iraq a substantial part of that goes to Halliburton and KBR who funnel that money to accounts in the Caymans tax free.
If you can justify the removal and execution of Saddam at eh trillion dollar cost, the lives of 4500 young Americans, the deaths of 100,000 Iraqi civiliansand many of whom were women and chilren, the displacement of 5 million more Plus of course the economic cost as justified, you really need to rethink your values-
Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 6:48:04 PM
You actually believe the war was started for Halliburton's benefit? Lol. Do you have evidence that any, let alone every reason was fabricated? Remember that your opinion isn't evidence. And don't question my values... I actually possess some by thinking international, like local law should be upheld. If you're not going to enforce laws, don't bother to have any.
It's amazing you find no culpability with Hussein for any of this.... not one word from you about his part in the invasion. The fact is, he did everything he could (mentioned elsewhere on this page) to invite the invasion.
And you don't speak for Iraqi citizens... most are grateful for what America and our allies have done. Likewise, you certainly don't speak for the military. Yes, the liberation of a country from maniacal tyrant that claimed "the middle east will be mine" is costly. Before you make your claims, talk with the Iraqis and the soldiers that have served there. They have a very different story than the one you peddle here.-
Posted By: RO in Reno @ 04/08/2009 7:39:07 PM
Well for a start KBR has been around for a very long time. they were the no bid contactor in Vietnam and most of us who served then, were well aware of the fact KBR (then just Brown and Root) stock was held by Lady Bird Johnson and she raked in the millions, while Lyndon bemoaned the "terrible war" on TV.
I not only believe Halliburton and KBR profitterring was a large part of Bush needing a war, I damned well know it.
But one other comment since you think the 17 UN resolutions was a big part the justification for invading Iraq, It should be noted that Israel is in violation of 96 UN resolutions, widely held as proof of our lopsided Middle East policy
Nuff said I'm tired of rehashing the value or the lack of value of wars, with idiots who think it's a some kind of video game, and that the removal of Saddam has saved the world.
Except for one thing, All wars are fought for gain of some kind, Power, resources or both. And always have been.-
Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 7:55:05 PM
Obviously, you have no credible links. So much for your "opinion."
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 8:04:42 PM
Well Forty, I can't prove that any more than you can prove your certitude that there were WMDs.
In terms of my 'opinion', I was trying to civilly respond to what I understand was an ongoing question of yours.
Btw, isn't it true in law enforcement that when trying to solve any mystery, say like forged yellow cake documents, the first question asked is who had a motive? Like who had the most to gain?-
Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 8:34:13 PM
Please 40! All the evidence lies in the fact that he admitted having them, he murdered thousands of people with them... he would not pony them up through 17 resolutions over a 12 year period, and you say he didn't have them?
The only motive supplied was the above. Please answer this one question: Why would Saddam Hussein go to all these lengths over all those years if he had nothing to hide?-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 8:54:31 PM
Ok, Forty, I ask you a question which you ignore, but ask another instead.
Of course I can only guess, as you only can too. Obviously he had gas before; he had used it. Saddam was a narcissitic megalomanic. He was too proud to admit that, like his oil facilities were in such disrepair, he no longer had these things. And, as many commentators have stated, he was afraid of Iran and wanted to scare them. So that's my best guess. Which fits better with the total absence of them than just insisting he did.
Whether or not he had gas, he was not connected to 9/11 and there was no intelligence that he had any intentions of attacking us. He had no delivery capacity for a nuclear weapon. He obviously wanted to stay alive, he wasn't a suicidal jihadist, or he wouldn't have hidden in that hole in the ground. He certainly knew that an attack on the U.S. would be his death warrant.
And it is interesting, isn't it, that no military or scientists ever came forward, and none, none could be found despite $millions in reward offers?
Ok, now answer my questions on the forged yellow cake papers.
Isn't it true in trying to solve a mystery, like forged yellow cake papers, the first question the law enforcement would ask is who had a motive?
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 9:09:50 PM
My point doesn't have anything to do with forged yellow cake papers. My question was why would Hussein go through all that he did for a dozen years if he didn't have anything to hide? The fact is if he didn't have anything to hide, he would not have fired shots at inspectors, or any of the other inane bullshit he did. Every one of his actions was indicative of someone who had something to hide. We wouldn't be having this dialog had he simply complied... say back during the Clinton years. I don't see it as Bush having the most to gain, I see it as Hussein having the most to lose. He was terribly stupid, and it cost him unnecessarily.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 9:18:07 PM
So you want your questions answered but you don't answer any?
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 9:34:14 PM
I did answer your question, as in if you're going to accuse Bush of manufacturing evidence, please show us verifiable proof. Otherwise, your idea that he "had the motive" doesn't hold water. It was Hussein that gave Bush as well as the rest of the world plenty of motive by his actions... but that really isn't the point though. The point is why Hussein carried it to this length in the first place if he had nothing to hide. That, I'd like your answer to.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 9:51:28 PM
Well you can insist that your point is the only one that should be discussed, but...
There are points in mine that you avoid, better to answer them at the original posts, but they were along the lines of:
-You insist that proof that Saddam had them is that he said he had them. But, why then have none been found, why have no military or scientists have come forward to confirm that despite $millions in rewards were offered?
- Isn't it a standard practice in law enforcement when there is a mystery, like mysteriously appearing forged documents, who had a motive to forge them?
(You know this is an important question since 'mushroom cloud' and 'yellow cake from Nigeria' were major propaganda points in selling that premature invasion that was injurious to our actual Afghanistan problem.)
- Didn't the Bush adminitration have the biggest motive to forge them as the ramrod toward that premature invasion.
All of this is in addition to the point that there was no imminent threat to us and there was no connection to 9/11 despite all the propaganda that deceived so many Americans to believe there was a connection.
I have tried to address your points. Please return the favor.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 10:16:28 PM
Ok, so your instruction to RO in Reno to put up or shut up works in only one direction too?
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/09/2009 1:28:25 PM
The guy never answers. Typical.
I just don't get how they can not answer a question, then accuse you of not answering a question, when you did answer the question two inches up.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/09/2009 2:54:08 PM
Well, it IS superior to the whackos though.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 10:01:35 PM
Btw, one of my posts spoke specifically to your question why Saddam would lie about having them. It was in reply to your post that asked the question. In addition to being obstreperous, if he was lying to scare Iran, for example, he wouldn't want that lie exposed, would he?
Oh yeah in responding to one of your inquiries, I did point out (to which you did not respond) that he was very far from a delivery system for a nuclear weapon, that there was no intelligence he had any intentions to attack the U.S., that he was not a suicidal jihadist, he obviously wanted to live or he wouldn't have hidden in that hole, and he certainly knew that after 9/11 to attack us would have been his death warrant. Please respond to these points.-
Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 10:14:57 PM
I agree with you regarding Iran, however that's exactly my point. Hussein wanted the world to know that he had chemical weapons, and considering his prior use of them, the allies had every reason to believe he did. In law enforcement, if a criminal is telling an officer he has a weapon, you can bet he will be treated as such.
I don't have the facts in front of me, but I do remember Hussein was looking into nuclear weapons. You're right, he was a long way off. However like Iran, if Ahmadinejad had enough time (and he has), likewise Hussein would have eventually acquired them also.
Freighting concept... The old man, as well as his psychotic sons, Umday and Upidstay, with their hands on nukes.-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 10:38:33 PM
I've said before that I was in favor of going to Iraq as the geopolitical move it was. But, no way was it necessary to do it when it was done, especially how it hampered us in Afghanistan. And, frankly, even though I was conceptually in favor of it, I have fundamental problems with how it was 'sold'.
For whatever, I remember as a kid seeing all those people lying on the grass and pointing at that grassy knoll at the Kennedy assassination. I'm basicall anti-conspiracy theories (the two books I read were hysterical too), but I'll go to my grave believing Oswald did not act alone. For completely different reasons, of course, I've really tried to imagine anyone who would have a reason to fabricate those yellow cake papers other than our administration. -
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/08/2009 10:27:46 PM
Forty4-I know, I know, I say one thing and do another...That's me. I wanted to say about Umday and Upidstay who were two major murderers, that the two had large photographs of the Bush twins on the wall. How twisted is that?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 7:46:24 PM
RO in Reno, I'll go with that almost entirely if the 'gain' in Afghanistan is meant to be to squish al Qaeda and deprive them the opportunities they had to perpetrate things like 9/11. I also expect there's plenty of profiteering going on anyway.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 7:50:49 PM
P.S. I like the Israel resolution point too. I'll use that one. Really, really tired of that old U.N. resolutions saw, particularly the way the Bush administration kept jamming them through so relentlessly in the run up to the invasion.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 9:01:42 PM
Yep... 12 years... The resolutions began before Clinton... but old Bush really "ran it up" didn't he.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 9:14:49 PM
Don't you remember all the push to get a series of them passed in the run up to war? That is, while we were busy trying to keep Bush's pledge to get OBL, and we obviously lacked the capacity to wage two wars at once.
Your basic premise was something like why have 'laws' if they're not going to be enforced. Please contrast this attitude on Iraq with the violation by Isreal of 96 U.N. resolution.
But before you do, please respond to my post with questions on the forged yellow cake papers that mysteriously appeared, wouldn't law enforcement's first question be who had a motive to forge them, and who had the biggest
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/09/2009 1:29:29 PM
They won't/can't accept responsibility.
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Posted By: RO in Reno @ 04/08/2009 8:45:10 PM
40YearR, You are welcome to use anything I ever post as you see fit.
I would not put Afghanistan in the same light as Iraq and it was Iraq I was referring too...
Afghanistan was a reasonable and necessary response to an attack on the US for what al Qaeda hopes to gain. As such it had the support of the world body and regarded as a justified defense.
It's the aggressor who hopes to gain by war regardless of the ideology used to hide that fact.
Iraq was an act unprecedented by the US in the fact it was a "preemptive" invasion. And all the evidence that it was a defense of the world from non existent WMD???s was contrived as were all the reasons given for that invasion.
Perhaps in the age of information the effort to promote misinformation and idealogy as fact is becoming weaker.
At least 20% of the population knew the truth before the invasion of Iraq, it was well published.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 10:28:10 PM
Thanks RO. I just love the aggressive bluster of the apologists about how righteous Bush and the neocons were to jam us into that really, really stupid invasion of Iraq. That was an amazing propaganda campaign. Bootstraps on top of lies.
And they're all atizzy about their lamentations about what Obama is doing to rescue our economy, but G.d D..n, don't talk about Bush taking us into that invasion (without taxing for it) because we did such wonderful things in Iraq... er was it Saddam made us?... Saddam had it coming and it was worth over 4000 American lives... or whatever else loopy post hoc justifications... and so what about Afghanistan, right? And by the way YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!
Have you seen anyone who harps on those 17 U.N. resolutions reconcile that with the 96 that Isael is in violation of?
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/09/2009 11:55:09 AM
No proof, but "you damned well know it?" Like that'll hold up in a court of law.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 8:55:37 PM
Libs like you are nauseating. Who the hell except you said it was a video game? Something I've come to expect from people like you. Talk to the real people involved, such as Iraqi citizens or the soldiers who have fought there before you jack your jaws about what you think you know. Come up with credible proof about your conspiricy "opinion."
In short, put up shut up.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/08/2009 7:00:33 PM
BW-Left you that LAC Soundtrack link below. Not the first post, typo, the second.
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 7:06:49 PM
Hi P, thanks for the link... I'll look it up. I really like the sound track in that film.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/08/2009 7:21:22 PM
Forty4-You may not find it below....here you go...http://youtube.com/watch?v=FD5au_L6Ahg.
Okay, no more..wouldn't want anyone here to think I'm trying to hit on you. I will think of you while I watch the movie. Thanks for the rec.
Take care Mr. BW...you be careful out there.-
Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/08/2009 9:37:04 PM
Thanks for the link P. Beautiful... I never tire of that music.
Let them think what they want ; ) And you let me know what you think about the film. You take care and I'll do the same.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/08/2009 7:08:17 PM
Forty4 and FF-
I understand that the issue you have asked about for some time is whether there is any proof that any of the justifications for the war were fabricated. I have already addressed how the 'issues' were framed, propagandized, such as 'mushroom cloud' and the conflation of 9/11 and Iraq, as well as how badly that decision hurt us.
It is well established that the papers offered as proof on yellow cake were forgeries.
Is there proof that the Bush administration did it? No one has confessed, of course. However the first question a lawyer like me or a detective always asks is: Who had a motive?
Who else had a motive? I suppose suggestions will be made, but there was only one country pushing for that invasion. The rest of the countries accomodated us as allies with all the pressure we could bring to bear. Many said no anyway, and all put in at most token participation.
The Bush adminstration beat the drum for that invasion relentlessly.
I believe that the same administration that would out Valerie Plame, would fabricate those forged papers as well.
I can't prove it, and I have refrained from saying this because of what have anticipated would be... vigorous disagreement, but I do believe it, and I do not think there is an alternative explanation that seems even remotely likely.
Especially when considered in the totality of how hard the administration pushed to get that invasion going.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 8:47:58 PM
Forty4-I don't believe anyone actually manufactured any evidence..I feel that the Intelligence reports were full of misinformation. I don't know why though.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/07/2009 8:58:03 PM
Pia, Hussein had chemical weapons. He admitted as much. He most likely had them shipped to Syria or Russia, as he had thirty days to do so. Remember, Bush gave him that amount of time.... It bears worth repeating though, and I agree with Forty4 on this.... Saddam could have ponied up his weapons early on, but he didn't. He chose to endure 12 years of sanctions. Why did he do this? It seems odd to me that someone would go to these lengths if they didn't have something to hide.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 9:07:19 PM
We were not forced to act when we did. There was no imminent threat to us. Those U.N. resolutions did not mandate war, as hard as we tried to ram that through. It was a war of choice. It was not a humanitarian move. They wanted to go and they beat the drums and leaned on our allies (complaining loudly and critically how little our allies wanted to participate).
Without the mushroom cloud and 9/11 'connection' propaganda, the American people would not have supported it.
No way would Congress or the American people have supported a war of 'liberation'.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/07/2009 9:09:20 PM
Okay. Next time we'll give 'em twenty four years. Happy now?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 9:13:48 PM
Without an imminent threat, the number of years is irrelevant. When it means neglecting the important war, and getting us into something that disabled us to complete it: criminal is the closest word that comes to mind.
Certainly not something to rationalize after the fact.-
Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/07/2009 9:22:59 PM
The point is if you're not gong to enforce international law, just say so and not bring worthless resolutions forth in the first place, you agree?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 9:28:57 PM
If I call you BW can I disagree?
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/07/2009 9:35:29 PM
Hey there cuitie! Have you seen me in LAC? Lol.... Of course you can disagree. I'll be nice. Bud's that way...
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 9:38:39 PM
I saw a preview on On Max on Demand. Will watch it later this evening. Oh, BW- a coworker who has seen the film found some of the songs from the soundtrack on youtube. Wow! Would you like the link?
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Posted By: Forty4 @ 04/07/2009 9:49:01 PM
Yeah you gotta see LAC... it's a great period film from the 50's. If you can overlook the violence, you should love it. (Btw, though I have his attitude, I'm not near as rough as BW ; )
By all means! Send on the links!-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 10:02:52 PM
Forty4-I'm sure you are as nice as you are on NW. I'm going to watch the movie later this evening if I get my work done.
The link contains three songs....pretty. My fave is the second one. I hope you can access it. Let me know if it works, thanks.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FD-5au_L6Ahg-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 10:08:10 PM
Forty4-Sorry, typo, it's FD5au_L6Ahg
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 9:29:50 PM
I think this ultimate fall back on U.N. resolutions is what they call in Japan: Shibai. We rammed through as many resolutions as we could as fast as we could. But that aside, we have many laws. We had a war going to get the people who actually attacked us. Then, without an imminent threat, we did something else. You, being in law enforecement, should understand prioritization better than most.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 04/07/2009 9:16:04 PM
Thank Bill Clinton for that he dis-assembled ground agents and tried to rely on satellites for intel gathering a huge mistake and disaster.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 04/07/2009 9:20:12 PM
Beyond gassing 5000 Kurds and hundreds of Iranians he also tortured and killed 500,000 Iraqis. his two sons raped and pillaged and murdered at will Just three kisunderstoood guys I guess.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 9:25:17 PM
Boy am I glad we neglected the Afghanistan war so we could get that bad guy.
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Posted By: John Dough @ 04/07/2009 9:28:33 PM
Hussien killed far more people then the Taliban and with his ooil money was a much greater threat than the Taliban
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 7:22:02 PM
It is noteworthy, though, isn't it, Forty, that none were ever found? No generals or scientists ever came forward to confirm, let alone inform where they went. Not with major $millions offered as rewards. Plenty of people with monetary motives, no one steps forward.
All the while, the entire country is being continuously frightened with talk about 'mushroom clouds'. And many were led to believe that Iraq participated in 9/11 because 9/11 and Iraq were repeatedly mentioned in the same breath (without any basis, and not by accident}.
Those U.N. resolutions are a boot strap. The important facts are that there were no al Qaeda in Iraq. There was no imminent threat to us. None at all. The biggest basis for suggesting this was that Iraq (arguably) was 'seeking' yellow cake. Years away from a threat, in the absolute worst case.
So, no matter how much they really, really believed Iraq was seeking yellow cake and had chemical weapons, the country was intentionally frightened into a premature invasion.
Instead, the real war, against the people who actually attacked us, was neglected. The situation there has degraded for a long time. The Taliban has reconstituted. Military leaders have been pleading for troops for over three years, but we could not deploy them because we were bogged down in that premature, at best, elective invasion of Iraq.
We still don't have enough troops or resources for Afghanistan. We're left with being angry at others (who we pushed and prodded into Iraq) for not doing in Afghanistan what we easily could have done on our own if we had not squandered so much on Iraq.
Iraq did not need immediate invasion, I don't care how many F'ing resolutions we pushed through the U.N.
Iraq was the biggest military blunder we have ever made, from the standpoint of Iraq, and more importantly because we neglected more important business in order to rush into Iraq. I, for one, think that what was presented, sold to us, was part of a geopolitical preference, not an emergency by any means.-
Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/07/2009 7:58:53 PM
40, I think he asked for a credible link showing where Bush, Cheney and Rice manufactured evidence to go to war, as Mr. Limp insists there is. Limp/suck/bass usually takes a powder about now, as this has been asked of him before. The rest of your post is about why the allies shoud not have invaded Iraq, which, at the time most people we're in the majority to do so. It's been said before.... all of this could have been averted after say the first, second or third resolution, but the boy Hussein wouldn't have it. And at number seventeen he paid.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 8:09:02 PM
FF-why not just take out S.Hussein, kidnap him etc... instead of launching an attack against the country?
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/07/2009 8:18:13 PM
It's against our laws, as well as our allies, to do as you suggest Pia. And the allies didn't launch an attack against the country of Iraq or its people. The attack was launched against Saddam Hussein and his murdering regime.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 8:35:45 PM
It's against our laws to get a murderer who also commits genocide but it is not against the law to launch a war and kill thousands of innocent people? I must be missing something..please explain if you can, thank you.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/07/2009 8:44:27 PM
Yes, you are missing something. First, where do you get the idea that we killed "thousands of people?" You act as if it was intentional murder. Our goal there was to liberate a tortured people from a dictator and his psychotic sons who wanted to rule the mid-east. Yes, some innocents accidentally died in the effort to liberate Iraq, but the number paled in comparison to the hundreds of thousands murdered by Hussein who now occupy mass graves. Yes, liberation can get rough. Ask your relatives in Italy, Pia.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 8:54:04 PM
"Our goal there was to liberate a tortured people... " Absolute total BS never mentioned before the war, and fabricated after the fact.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 8:52:02 PM
FF- Firstly- Thousands of people have died. Even if it is two thousand which it is not, it is closer to 50 thousand or more, that is considered thousands. Second-I am not acting like the killings were done on purpose. I never said that. It's a war, wars kill anyone in the way including innocent people....bombings kill people who happen to be at the locations.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 8:41:10 PM
After a long history of political assassinations, laws were passed to prohibit them.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 8:22:18 PM
A rather p!ss poor time to decide to do that, and even worse execution. The rest is just a bandaid over a huge mistake.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 8:15:17 PM
And if we couldn't do that, why not take care of the real business at hend first?
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 8:12:35 PM
Sorry FF, saying that Saddam could have avoided the invasion in no way justifies what was propagandized about the (non)connection between 9/11 and Iraq, or all the fearmongering about mushroom clouds. Nor is Saddam to blame for falsely implying there was an imminent threat, because there was none. Nor is Bush, Cheney, Rummy excused for blowing both Iraq and Afghanistan because Saddam could have avoided it. Nor are the patriotic Americans to blame because we patriotically supported and trusted those incompetent (and deceitful) dopes.
Only apologists who hold onto their faith in Bush and Cheney despite the facts as we now know them actually to be, do that.
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Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 04/07/2009 8:31:05 PM
Sorry 40... You continually place blame anywhere but where it lies. Did Hussein do all the things Forty4 said or not? If so, he had to go! How much more time would you have given Hussein? He already had twelve years. TWELVE YEARS!!! If you're not going to enforce UN resolutions, why have them in the first place? Would you be willing to let Al Capone or John Gotti go as easily if they were alive today?
And please stop speaking for the soldiers that fought and died in Iraq. They volunteered for their missions, and were proud of their service and their cause. Please, talk with those that are serving there or have served there before speaking for them.
And you keep bringing up Bush and Cheney. A little proof they manufactured any evidence please!
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 04/08/2009 3:32:47 PM
Hi Alvy
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Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/07/2009 3:21:02 PM
The GOP wrote the book on hate. here's a couple of examples from the last two Republican president campaigns.
When Sen. MCCain was running against Bush in S. Car., Bush had telephone callers spread the word the MCCain had fathered a black child.
In S. Car., last year huckably had callers say that MCCain had ratted on his fellow POWs.
Hate is what defines the Republican party. the GOP is sliding toward third party status and hate is one of the reasons people are leaving to become independents. I believe Independents will take republican seats in many states by 2020. -
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/06/2009 3:36:09 PM
Not all Obama supporters are "Bush haters." I don't hate him...I voted for him. Btw-what is a "hippocrite?"
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Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 04/05/2009 3:44:02 PM
I think you lost notsoBRIGHT-MINORITY on that one...LMAO!
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Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 04/05/2009 7:17:35 PM
Hey notsoBRIGHTminority, your sexual preference is
A. Men
B. Women
answer directly bellow....-
Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 04/06/2009 4:11:57 AM
NotsoBRIGHTminority, knowing that you offten refer to your male lovers as "mommy" is there anything else you want to share with the group?
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Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/07/2009 3:14:32 PM
I think he had a mustache.
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Posted By: Omaar @ 04/09/2009 9:27:55 PM
Bush wanted France and Germany and Spain to Embrace Him..Too
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Posted By: HLPone @ 04/03/2009 9:26:56 PM
You really need to listen to someone beside Rush Limbaugh. Mrs.Obama did not breach protocol. This is from the royal experts from London. You are obviously blinded by rascism and hate. I hope you find some peace in your life before its soo late.
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Posted By: RCatholicMom @ 04/03/2009 9:30:08 PM
Just because we can't stand them has nothing to do with race so stop playing that card.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/03/2009 9:34:04 PM
Why can't you stand the Obama's? What have they ever done to you? Not a thing except for the fact they occupy the White House and that is what you can't stand. Too bad, you have fours years or possibly eight of having to stand that.
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Posted By: RCatholicMom @ 04/03/2009 9:38:19 PM
Believe me we are counting down the days.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/03/2009 9:42:43 PM
As a Roman Catholic myself, I am embarassed to read your comments all over this article. Catholics are tolerant and understanding and compassionate. Go back to church and learn something.
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Posted By: RCatholicMom @ 04/03/2009 10:16:03 PM
Don't be embarrased for me. Tolerant is not what we are supposed to be. We are supposed to stand for the Truth.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/03/2009 10:23:50 PM
The truth is that God would want us to be tolerant and compassionate and not pass judgement. Your comments would lead one to believe that you are Catholic in name only.
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Posted By: Dontblameme @ 04/03/2009 11:10:04 PM
Does God want you to kill babies? As a Catholic you surprise me. How the hell does anybody kill babies? Oh, and OBama most definitely supports killing babies AFTER they are born. Check his votes. This is most assuredly MURDER.
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Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/07/2009 11:48:30 AM
Republicans and Catholics are responsible for increasing abortions and Democrats do more every day of the week to decrease abortion that the GOP has ever done. That is a fact that is undisputable!
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Posted By: John Dough @ 04/07/2009 9:52:37 PM
You are on something WOW What a lie you believe
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/06/2009 3:33:37 PM
I assume your comment was meant for me, therefore my answer is, NO.
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Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 04/05/2009 4:21:58 PM
here's your cracker polly, Obama does not, your an idiot that get it's info from hannity/limpbaaah/orally...now grow up, get you facts straight...and enjoy your cracker []....
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Posted By: RU4REEL @ 04/03/2009 11:49:39 PM
The nuns who had abortions and buried them under the church and the priest over the centuries mess up so many lives abusing children. The catholic church should not say a word.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/03/2009 11:19:39 PM
It is a well known fact that Catholic women have abortions too. The hypocrisy needs to stop.
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Posted By: Debunked! @ 04/07/2009 4:30:33 PM
Right On! RCath.......
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 4:38:05 PM
Cheer on the fanatics.....that's you. Btw D..I don't know who you worship but Roman Catholics do believe in tolerance unlike this RCM person who stated here that we are not supposed to stand for tolerance , only the Truth. What an insane belief.
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Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 04/05/2009 3:34:32 PM
You'll be "counting" for eight years b!tch...providing you can actually count...LMAO!
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Posted By: Omaar @ 04/05/2009 10:18:20 AM
Oh yeah, Fiscally Prudent Republicans...
For 8 Years A Republican President & Vice President, with their [6 Year] Majority Republican Senate and Congress, Spent, Spent and Spent and now they are Fiscally Responsible...
Borderline Bull-Spit !!
O-Kay Then...
Lets Bring Back the Prestigious Years of ...
[Bush-Cheney] [8 Years] ?
Who Amassed Over [15 Trillion Dollars] in Debt, to the Largest [Communist-Socialist Country] on the Planet [China], who Buy Up Our Debts and Finance our 2 Wars in the Middle East, at the Cost of [20 Billion Dollar Per Month with Interest], for the Past 6 Years and Counting....
The Glorious Bush-Cheney Years of Never, Ever Vetoing a Single Spending Bill, Crossing his Desk in [8 Years]...
Glorious Years..Indeed.
Bring his Tough Talking, Big Spending A!! back as President of the USA once more... Ha !!
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The Republican Fear, Doom & Gloom Propaganda: "Socialism..Marxism Communism "....
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Posted By: HLPone @ 04/03/2009 9:42:35 PM
The problem is that so much of the criiticism is race based. There is no real intelligent discussion of politics. It
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Posted By: RCatholicMom @ 04/03/2009 10:14:48 PM
There are plenty of us out here who have a problem with this man and his policies and could care less about his race. The people who insult him about his race are invalidating their arguments and not representing a majority of those of us opposed to Obama.
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Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 04/05/2009 3:40:38 PM
"The people who insult him about his race are invalidating their arguments and not representing a majority of those of us opposed to Obama"...
NO! they are simply being honest, unlike the majority of you who oppose Obama, I have more respect for an honest racist than I do for the cowardly "opposers"....-
Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/05/2009 4:04:30 PM
Howdy Harley.
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Posted By: HDavidsonNeverDies @ 04/05/2009 4:20:22 PM
What up 40? Hey notsoBRIGHTminority, if you agree with ALL I say, envy me, and you are glad I am posting here, just say "thank you"....
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Posted By: Omaar @ 04/07/2009 2:58:32 PM
OK ...
Bring Back the Prestigious Years of ...
[Bush-Cheney 8 Years] ?
Who Amassed Over [15 Trillion Dollars] in Debt, to the Largest [Communist-Socialist Country] on the Planet [China], who Buy Up Our Debts and Finance our 2 Wars in the Middle East, at the Cost of [20 Billion Dollar Per Month with Interest], for the Past 6 Years and Counting....
The Glorious Bush-Cheney Years of Never, Ever Vetoing a Single Spending Bill, Crossing his Desk in [8 Years]...
Glorious Years..Indeed.
Bring his Tough Talking, Big Spending A!! back as President of the USA once more... Ha !!
Or the [Clinton-Gore 8 Years] with Monica Lewinsky ?
Or The Prestigious [Nixon Years]
Or Ronald W. Reagan [8 Years Of De-Regulation] which has Lead to the Current, Wall Street, Housing and the Banking Crisis, we have Today.
Capitalism has Failed...Period
Or the [Ford Years]
Or The [Carter Years]
You Mother Lovers... A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
Capitalism has [[Failed]] Period -
Posted By: Spywmn @ 04/03/2009 8:35:13 PM
Attitudes like yours is the reason we were "Bushwacked" for eight years"! Grow up! MO only touched the Queens back slightly. Ol' Bushwack actually gave the Queen a lewd wink! If this is all you got to complain about, then you are a sad individual.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/03/2009 9:11:17 PM
Ditto. The Queen enjoyed Michelle's friendly gesture and reciprocated by placing her arm around Michelle.
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Posted By: Dontblameme @ 04/03/2009 11:13:35 PM
How do you know what the Queen felt? Did the media tell you so?
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Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/07/2009 12:19:07 PM
The Queen's office issued a statement that no offense was taken.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 12:33:44 PM
Hey there paproudmom, how ya been? Are you pleased with the goodwill being restored with our allies?
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Posted By: paproudmom @ 04/07/2009 12:52:37 PM
I am better thank you. How are you? I am taking a wait and see approach to Obama. Sometimes being popular does not always equate with being right. I did like Michelle's comments to the young school girls. Spot on as they say in England! I also thought that Obama struck an appropriate tone in saying the US has made mistakes because at the same time he addressed the anti-Americanism abroad. His domestic policies I am not in the least impressed with so far. See I am all for fair and balanced. I borrowed that from Fox! Just Kidding.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/07/2009 1:11:48 PM
Hello. I'm terrific. Taking advantage of the beautiful spring here. I hope better leads to ideal for you.
I'm glad that we are taking a cordial and collaborative posture to our allies; the alternative is obviously counterproductive. My view about his domestic policies is that the accusations and suppositions about Obama on this score from some quarters will turn out as far from accurate as all the other smoke and exaggerations that have been purveyed on every other thing about Obama personally and his 'policies'. What we have actually seen of him so far is that he is an insightful, probative and pragmatic leader. Even Henry Kissinger went into detail recently on Charlie Rose about how he had opposed Obama in the election, but he is most impressed with his intellect, analytical approach and practicality in an extremely complex set of international and economic issues. Of course, much remains to be seen. Fair and balanced is better as a practice than as a slogan. That's where I'm trying to stay.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/03/2009 11:20:56 PM
The Queen is a human being, not a hunk of wood. Do yourself a favor, stop being so know-it-all. Very tiresome.
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Posted By: Dontblameme @ 04/03/2009 11:56:07 PM
And what are you, PIA. What's the matter? Am I getting to you?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/04/2009 12:23:44 AM
In answer to your question, Never.
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Posted By: Alvy @ 04/07/2009 11:35:16 AM
Do you think that's it's important to him to get to you? Why do people want to "get to " people I wonder?
Esteem maybe. Perhaps they need validation in their lives and can only have it through the suffering of others
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/07/2009 11:50:14 AM
Alvy-Of course it's their self esteem.. and also their bullying personality. I love the way he does my name in upper case to try to prove a point.
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Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/07/2009 11:55:41 AM
Stick you head back up hannity's butt, the fresh air doesn't suit you.
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Posted By: Jest2007 @ 04/03/2009 9:08:34 PM
You seem to be describing our not dearly departed leader GWB, who was one of the worst presidents in the history of this country. I think one of the major problems is that there is a sector of the US poplulation who would not know leadership if they fell over it.
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Posted By: minnie08 @ 04/03/2009 9:45:36 PM
Bravo, Jest2007! Bush was by far The Worst President this country has had in modern history! Add to that the Republicans who are still trying to sell their tired, doesn't work Reganomics, what a joke!
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Posted By: Dontblameme @ 04/03/2009 11:05:41 PM
Up untill now it was Carter.
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Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/04/2009 3:57:10 PM
Carter used to be our worst President. Bush surpassed Carter by miles and miles.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/03/2009 8:58:01 PM
Sore loser. Your party lost, live with it! As for Michelle and the Queen, read about the visit again, the Queen was delighted with Michelle's warmth towards her. Michelle is a human being...learn from her.
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