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There's no need to waste time with further study. The policy on gays in the military must be overturned now.

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  • Posted By: trogers @ 04/05/2009 2:32:24 PM

    The Republican members of Congress, and their loyal evangelical followers would go ballistic if this policy was changed. It would immediately become the main topic of discussuion among the Republican braintrust such as Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly. The policy might be wrong, but making it into a hot issue for the Republicans would be a foolish political mistake while other more pressing problems need to be resolved. Let's keep the Republicans talking about the issues they do not understand like economics or foreign policy. Why give them the kind of hate issue they handle so well?

    • Posted By: Libricrat @ 05/01/2009 3:53:23 PM

      Actually no making it into a hot button issue is just what they want to do but Pres. Obama and the Dems are politically ingenious enough to know that they want to save this diversion for when they are trying to push through health care reform or gun control etc. That way the focus will be off of whatever it is they are trying to push through at the time. While theyre at it they also know that the Repubs will make jerks out of themselves about it when it does happen. I am military and I believe opening the closet is the right thing to do but don't underestimate the Dems. Theyre just wainting on the most opportun political moment.

    • Posted By: SCazzz @ 04/28/2009 10:53:34 AM

      Excellent point Trogers!

  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 04/06/2009 11:25:28 AM

    Not this subject again! Nothing has change and nothing should change on this subject period.

    • Posted By: Libricrat @ 05/01/2009 3:42:26 PM

      Yes, I'm still in and I do have to say things have changed at least enough. Not that there wouldnt be some problems but, overall the young people in the military now know that they serve with gays already, probably know who they are about 1/2 the time and mostly don't really care. If you changed the policy tomorrow it would be an issue for about a day then people would simply say, " ok, so Airman Johnson is a homo. As long as I don't have to share a cot with him, who cares." Then they would ge on with business.

    • Posted By: JEDARRAH @ 04/09/2009 8:00:16 AM

      On the contrary - lots has changed - what needs to change now is your homophobia. The US prides itself on being the home of the free - There is no place for discrimination based on ignorance in this great Country. There is no data supporting that gays serving openly is in anyway disruptive, on the contray, 26 countries have figured out that the right answer for their military and their country is to allow gays to serve openly. This is the right answer for the US as well.

  • Posted By: zetacplus @ 04/10/2009 10:58:04 PM

    I'm a gay man in the military and have been for over 20 years. I have had a partner for the last 9 years. We met overseas when we were both stationed at the same Air Force base. He left the service after his enlistment was up because he couldn't live a life of not being true to himself. He realized that his life and happiness was more important and that if they didn't want him, he didn't want to be there. He is truly a beautiful person, a hard worker, bright, and his current employer loves him. He would have stayed in the military if he could have served openly. It's sickening that the military doesn't want us gays to serve but they will allow criminals, derelicts, and just all around unsavory people to enter the service. I decided to stay in and continue to fight for our rights. I have never come out but I try to get people to see how wrong the policy is. However, I know that it will be very ugly in the ranks once it is overturned. I work with some real homophobes and I hear what they say about "us ***" all the time. I don't get them. I don't understand how or why they even are concerned with it. My superior is one of the homophobes and I tried explaining to him that when he retires in a few months he will be a civilian and will probably work with open gay people. He couldn't believe it and said he would never work with them. He has a lot to learn. He is a senior non commissioned officer and it's surprising to see how backwards his thinking is. I look forward to the day where I can serve as an openly gay man. I hope that day comes soon.

    • Posted By: Libricrat @ 05/01/2009 3:28:03 PM

      I'm also prior Air Force (7 years active) & current member of ANG. Even though I'm straight, I to salute your service and perserverance under such a difficult social environment. I know that it would cause problems at first but opening the closet (for lack of a better term) would make it easier for the straight people to publicly support the idea. (Not that I dont support it now. I really dont care what people say or think about me.) Overall though, it would be an issue for a little over a minute then people would get on with business and time their bathroom/shower times accordingly.

    • Posted By: flippymar @ 04/14/2009 2:46:14 AM

      Thank you Zetacplus for your service! I am also serving proudly in the military. As a straight female, I still feel the sting of sexist bigotry among the ranks and branches. I believe you should be able to openly serve as much as I can. The day will come when you and many others can and I will be standing beside you.

    • Posted By: flippymar @ 04/14/2009 2:43:01 AM

      Thank you Zetacplus for your service. I am also serving proudly in the military. As a straight female in the military we still feel the sting of sexist bigotry among the ranks and branches. I believe you should be able to serve openly, as much as I can serve. I'll be standing by your side and plenty of others when the day comes when you can, be sure of it.

  • Posted By: cgalle @ 04/21/2009 8:38:36 PM

    As a member of the Armed Services having to fight to support America, America needs to support to the military. Gays are in the military, we all know that. But changing the rules that the military has to live and die with during wartime is idiotic. While the ones in Washington, New York or San Fran can feel good what they have done for the military (And more importantly themselves), they don't have to live the change in dynamics in a battlefield.

    You train and train to know how your team will react in a firefight to kill the enemy. How much thought has gone into how this will change the dynamics on a team in a forward location. Changing one bit will have effects that you don't have to live with.

    DADT is wrong. But don't change it when people are dying and have to worry about enough things. I have to guess that this will be too much for anyone NOT in AFG or IZ to understand.

    The military is not a Democracy and the public opinion only matters because of politics. Politics ruins so much of our lives, why should it cost some young troop their lives for your opinion.

  • Posted By: cowboy_TB @ 04/07/2009 9:41:05 PM

    1st to equate this with race is so far off base. The military integrated because of mission needs...Gen McArthur couldn't fill combat positions, opened it up to black soldiers, (who at the time, could only be cooks or mechanics) and voila...90,000 black soldiers became combat troops. The commanders recognized their ignorance and insisted on the change that Truman gets credit for.

    It is easy to criticise and insist policies on the military....especially when you don't wish them to succeed...."I support thetroops, but not the war"...Please Ms. Quindlen, fairness has noting to do with it. I have been out there We don't insist on 1 shower and latrine for all sexes. There is a provacy issue....would the young men and women be professional...of course...but is it conducive to good order and disciple?

    Support the military 100% or shut up. Ms. Quindlen, shut up.

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 04/17/2009 5:06:49 PM

      Listen clown. The idea behing a constitutional democracy is that people get to have opinions. Even you.

      But if you get to spout your views, so does everybody else.

      Back in the '60s, when the "all voliunteer" army was first discussed, a friend's dad, who was a colonel, explained that he opposed it. Basically he said, military subcultures are inimical to democracy.

      You just proved it. Reinstate the draft.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 6:43:15 PM

      "Support the military 100% or shut up. Ms. Quindlen, shut up."

      Since when do you get to silence anyone, dumbass?

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 04/12/2009 7:26:27 PM

    GAYS HAVE ALL THEIR RIGHTS. I THINK GAYS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED INTO THE MILITARY. IT IS A MILTARY BREACH OF ETHICS. THE PERSON WHO IS NOT GAY SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO WORK WITH GAYS. GAYS CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE THE ECONOMY IS BAD AND WE NEED STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ARMY. GAYS ARE LAWYERS AND DOCTORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. GAYS IN THE MILITARY IS WRONG BECAUSE MEN AND WOMEN ARE SEPERATED MOST OF THE TIME. IT IS NOT FEAR FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT GAY TO HAVE A GAY WATCH THEM. GAYS HAVE ALL THE RIGHTS THEY NEED. GAYS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THEY CANNOT FORCE THEMSELVES ON OTHE PEOPLE'S CULTURE. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, WORK, OWN, AND EVEN HAVE CIVIL UNIONS. WE NEE TO FOCUS ON POVERTY AND CORPORATE GOVERNANCE IN AMERICA AND KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF OUR INSTITUTIONS.

    • Posted By: BG.Bryan @ 04/15/2009 10:57:40 AM

      Wow. I am impressed. I don't think I've ever seen so much ignorance crammed into one all-caps paragraph before. Here's a thought: read about the Band of Thebes, considered one of the most feared and effective military fighting units in history

      • Posted By: tc125231 @ 04/17/2009 5:01:25 PM

        You know, you could have condensed this ignorant screed:

        "UGH. ME NOT LIKE GAYS. NO GAYS IN MILITARY."

        I acknowledge that you are a fellow being. You need to start working pretty hard on the "human" part. I wish you the best of luck.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 6:40:32 PM

      All caps, didn't read.

  • Posted By: BG.Bryan @ 04/15/2009 10:51:55 AM

    Oh, and to the ones afraid to share a shower with someone who might be sexually attracted to them: A) there are gays there right now, do you know who they are? B) get over yourself, who says you're attractive, especially with that kind of attitude and intellect?

  • Posted By: BG.Bryan @ 04/15/2009 10:49:23 AM

    I am very pleased that this shameful issue appears to be nearing its long-overdue resolution. I am an honourably discharged Navy vet., who was dishcarged because my sexual orientation was discovered when an officer illegally read a personal letter I had left at my workstation (yes, I'm gay). I was honourably discharged due to the high quality of my service, my dedication, and the pride I took in the Navy. At the time I was confronted with the issue, I chose to be honest, although at that time (I was only 19) I had not really engaged much in sexual activites, and I had NEVER done anything to "disgrace" my uniform. The X.O. of my squadron (a decorated Viet Nam pilot) told me personally that it broke his heart to have to lose someone of such value, while other, less dedicated individuals had to be kept on. He told me that he hoped that one day the military would "wake up". Maybe that day is at hand.

  • Posted By: jeffrey1234 @ 04/15/2009 2:06:32 AM

    The DADT policy is an embarrasment to our military and our nation. There is no reasonable explanation for it and therenever was. End the non-sense policy now.

  • Posted By: crwcpa @ 04/14/2009 10:20:37 PM

    Would you force a female soldier to share a room and bathroom and showers with a heterosexual man? Of course not. It is not reasonable to say that soldiers must be forced to sleep, bathe and use bathroom facilities with other soldiers who could be sexually attracted to them. Again, would you allow female soldiers in the same showers at male soldiers? Of course not, You would never say that keeping male and female heterosexual soldiers in separate sleeping and bathroom quarters is discrimination. By the same token, gays SHOULD be allowed in the military, BUT you must never allow solders who are sexually attracted to each other, whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, to share sleeping and bathing spaces. If separating male and female heterosexual soldiers is an accepted and non-discriminatory practice, then you must maintain, by the same standards, separate heterosexual living quarters for the same reason. Again, separate heterosexual living and bathing spaces based on gender have been the norm since females have been allowed to serve in the military. This standard has been extremely successful. It is imperative that this standard be maintained, while still attempting to find a way to be inclusive of all who want to serve.

  • Posted By: Internetto @ 04/05/2009 1:24:32 AM

    I think we should ban heterosexuals from the military.

    • Posted By: JohnR22 @ 04/07/2009 5:45:46 PM

      Just get rid of "don' ask, don't tell" and and you'll be seeing far fewer heterosexuals in the military.

      • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 6:42:45 PM

        If their bigotry exceeds their patriotism and/or discipline, then they are lousy soldiers anyway.

  • Posted By: William Schindler @ 04/11/2009 7:54:13 PM

    The U.S> will have no moral authority to urge other governments to address anti-gay prejudice or the murder of gay men in Iraq, for example, until this policy is overturned.

  • Posted By: logic624 @ 04/10/2009 1:41:02 PM

    Anna, thank you for still trying to bring and instill logic into issues that for whatever the reasons, biases and policy makers paradigm just lacking any reality and long term thoughtfulness. Please do not stop. You have an army of intelligent followers.

  • Posted By: logic624 @ 04/10/2009 1:40:27 PM

    Anna, thank you for still trying to bring and instill logic into issues that for whatever the reasons, biases and policy makers paradigm just lacking any reality and long term thoughtfulness. Please do not stop. You have an army of intelligent followers.

  • Posted By: Ssmith12620 @ 04/10/2009 10:09:34 AM

    Thank you, Anna, for your always-compassionate writings for civil right. Unlike writer Cummings, who writes only as a gay man for men, you write for all, men, women, gay and straight. I enjoy your columns whatever the subject.

  • Posted By: beeblebrox @ 04/09/2009 2:15:37 PM

    Funny how those opposed to rescinding the policy, including members of the armed services, throw out "unit conhesion" as their primary rationale. The military kicks people out, right up until the point when the buillets start flying. Then they implement policies that "suspend" dismissals during active combat. Once the bullets stop flying, they start kicking people out again. The "unit cohesion" argument only seems to apply during peacetime.

  • Posted By: TrevorDaniel @ 04/09/2009 12:54:37 PM

    It is interesting that all who are against elliminating the policy conveniently ignore the success of those countries that did. Gays attacking straights in the barracks??? This only exhibits the total ignorance of those who know nothing about gays expect the empty sound bites that they pick up from their brain dead macho buddies or the local pastor.

  • Posted By: lindamay724 @ 04/09/2009 10:31:08 AM

    Great article. I served 22 years in the military and saw first hand the harm this law perpetuates. We must repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and allow gay and lesbian service members to serve openly.

  • Posted By: JEDARRAH @ 04/09/2009 7:55:07 AM

    As always Anna gets it !!!! Thanks . Joan

  • Posted By: gail.nagasako @ 04/06/2009 5:47:55 PM

    I agree, the reasons given for not allowing gays to serve openly in the military are mainly specious. But what about putting gays in barracks with the very gender to which they are sexually attracted? We wouldn't put straight men into women's barracks so why do we put gay men in the men's barracks? Seems like they should either be in with the women or have their own barracks.
    Also, on the subject of gays, I personally think the marriage thing could be resolved by accepting the Christian rights' view that marriage is defined in the Bible. So separate church and state and let the state sanction anyone's civil union whether straight or gay. And let the churches decide who can marry. Some will sanction gay marriages and some not but everyone will have the same rights under the law.
    Aloha,
    Gail Nagasako
    Maui Hawaii

    • Posted By: rhinebeck1 @ 04/09/2009 7:23:30 AM

      Unfortunately many benefits that are granted to married couples are on Federal level. Therefore, even if a State recognizes civil unions (forget about marriage, you saw what happened in California), many benefits like filing a joint tax return, apply for Cobra, social security, etc. are not allowed. This is profoundly unjust.
      Also, do you think that the reason of not allowing gay openly in the military is to avoid that one single gay soldier could feel something for a fellow soldier? Look, the problem is that heterosexual men are hormone-full as much as gay men. Look what they do to women, in and out of the military. That is the real issue.
      Please respect and equal opportunities to all.

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