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A Global Free-For-All?

The world economy is suspended between the lofty rhetoric of last week's G20 summit and the gritty realities of domestic politics.

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  • Posted By: Nath @ 08/17/2009 3:23:47 AM

    There is a global awareness now on the need to fix Islam - but darkness prevails on the best method - a solution that is simple and sure will evolve from here.Sounds far fetched ? Just consider the peculiar case of 1 million deaths in the Iran Iraq war- this was no Jihad with Kafir and hence all those dead went to hell for no fault of theirs except that they had Saddam as "boss" - in the post Lehman world we all agree that this is very unfortunate & avoidable case of bad direction by leadership , which brought ruin to followers!

    A nuclear attack on middle east from either US or Israel canoot be ruled out at all - it appears to be very central to planners of Islamic life. As all muslims prey 5 times a day for death in jihad and seat in heaven ; this is the most practical way for a benevoilent kafir to delivery a heavenly martyrdom in jihad to all muslims on equal footing.... so that at the Allah's brothel - stock of 72 goats/ martyr can be enjoyed equally by each muslim.

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 04/07/2009 12:00:48 AM

    Never mind protectionism, forget about the lofty rhetoric of G20, does anyone not sense the imminent downfall of the almighty dollar?

    Practically all international financial transactions and trade agreements have been based on the greenback. It will take years to effect any change from dollar to some other currency. Moreover, no other global currency at the moment is strong or solid enough to replace it, not the pound, the yen or even the euro.

    Meantime, China has been testing its yuan in Asia, using it as the basis of exchange in multilateral commercial dealings. If this works, and the economic giant gradually gathers greater strength, yuan will be likely to call the shot one day in the not so distant future, thus bringing in a new era.

    Perhaps, this is the beginning of the END of the once truly mighty GREENBACK.
    (Tan Boon Tee, btt1943@yahoo.com)

    • Posted By: bighead1191 @ 04/08/2009 11:38:15 AM

      The yuan in its current state will never replace the greenback. The yuan is held propped up artificially just like Saddam held up Iraq's currency.

      • Posted By: sound off @ 04/12/2009 3:38:48 PM

        it's the number of people " 6 Billion" through work that create the Yuan and in the very near time frame there creation and work will replace the $

      • Posted By: bighead1191 @ 04/08/2009 11:48:45 AM

        China would have to allow the organization that regulates the rest of the main currencies to do so with theirs, before the other nations that would be instrumental in pushing for that would listen.

        Not really sure if they are holding it down or up. Was reading the other day something that implied it was being held down, in order to keep their goods cheap for the US so they would continue to buy them as they are.

        • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 04/08/2009 12:19:04 PM

          Thats right. The RMB is artificially fixed against the dollar which has the end result of making ALL Chinese labor cheap. They are winning at the game of capitalism, but they're cheating to do it. Now its going to bite them in the @ss. I think they see capitalism as a weapon, and not a way to mutually raise standards of living.

          To bighead1191, there is nothing propping the dollar up either, except the word of all the Greenspans and Bernanke's, and the promise that down the road, labor and value will be extracted out of our @sses in order to make good on our debts. Think of currency as not merely a portable unit of exchange, but as a way for governments to perpetually conscript your labor. The gold standard had flaws ( not enough gold in the world ) but its advantage was that it actually tied the governments hands. With a fiat dollar, the government can just say "I want 100 battleships", start printing bills, and coerce out of the people resources and labor. This of course inflates the currency and reduces its spending power. The rest of the world sees that we are unaccountable and they no doubt think they're losing purchasing power on their own dollar reserves due to our insistence on floating an empire. Yeah, if I were these other countries, I'd be looking for a safer store of value as well. The Federal government can unilaterally destroy the currency, and they will.

  • Posted By: Chairmanmao @ 04/07/2009 9:51:06 AM

    That's bullshit,it's you Americans' own fault, but you cheeky guys blame Chinese,oh man,how funny!!!
    Just like a man cann't make a bowel movement and he blame the earth doesn't have gravity.

    • Posted By: dmb12345 @ 04/11/2009 11:42:35 PM

      Why does China still want to send it's garbage over here. A bunch of parasites. What happens when the host dies? You will find out. Bunch od slave drivers - Go take a look at what the Chinese are doing in Africa- Even the Africans who had their hand out are finding out that they have lost some fingers

    • Posted By: bighead1191 @ 04/08/2009 11:35:36 AM

      Blame the Americans when it was many, many nations that partook in the what caused this mess.

  • Posted By: Still Free in the USA @ 04/08/2009 12:57:26 PM

    Castro "looked directly into our eyes" and asked, "How can we help President Obama?"
    There she is folks; get ready for the funeral; prepping the USA for socialism. Economic free for all-NOT
    Obama: "We will keep American jobs in America"
    Obama: "We will show the world we are not protectionists and open our borders to our neighbors"
    Obama/Biden to the comment that this crisis was brought about by "whites with blue eyes"
    We will reform all immigration laws to ensure to remittances from you people in America make it back to their homeland.

    And the KoolAid drinkers are running around with this "duh" look on their faces. "We cant hold him up to a normal set of standards; he's the first black president"

    Grow up people; this isnt American Idol; its our Country!

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/10/2009 10:11:51 AM

      We tried it your way. You failed.

  • Posted By: Still Free in the USA @ 04/08/2009 1:08:12 PM

    Quit the blame game. The system will work when people work. My husband used to make 6 figures and more; he now make $8.00 an hour if he's lucky. Big deal. So we had a sweet ride and now we're back to basics. At least he's not busting his chops for some fat ass welfare queen to buy brand name everything with food stamps while I shop the day old bargain dent and scratch shelves and carts.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/10/2009 10:11:26 AM

      You're an idiot.

      Just saying.

  • Posted By: 771979 @ 04/10/2009 8:51:26 AM

    contd) On the other hand if it is asked of men to work harder than their capacity without a reward, then everyone will become lazy and careless would be tremendous waste of people???s talent and loss to humanity. Everyone knows that livelihood is in constant progress, though the domination and exploitation one after the other of all things that God has created, whereas one sees that the rest of animals have changed nothing in their livelihood ever since God has created their spices. The cause of this difference as discovered by the biologist is simultaneous existence of a society, a cooperation, and a liberty of competition inside the members of the society, i.e., human beings, whereas other animals suffer from the lack of some or all these requisite conditions.
    Perhaps the most developed social cooperation is found among bees, ants and termites: they live in a collective way with the complete equality in livelihood, yet without any competition among its members and consequently it is not possible for the more intelligent or more industrious bee to live more comfortably than others. For this reason, there is neither evolution nor change, much less progress in any of these species as against the human race. The past history of man shows that every advance and every discovery of the means of comfort came into existence through competition and desire for amelioration, and also through the existence of grades of wealth or poverty among men, one above the other. Yes, the absolute liberty as in liberal democracy has led the devilish men to exploit the needy and ooze them out gradually. So, it was necessary for every progressive civilization and every healthy culture to impose certain duties on its members (such as to pay the taxes), outlawing embezzling, cheating etc, and recommend certain supererogatory acts like charity and expenditure for the sake of God, yet nevertheless to have a great deal of liberty of thought and action to its members, so that each one benefits himself, his exigency, his friends and the society at large. This is exigency of Islam and it???s also conforms to nature. It tolerates the minority of the rich and accumulation of wealth but imposes upon them heavier obligations: prevents immoral means of exploitation, hoarding and accumulation of wealth. Further, it makes injunctions and also some recommendations for charity and sacrifice with promise of spiritual and eschatological rewards.The economic policy of Islam has been explained in most unequivocal terms: ??? so that this (wealth) may not circulate solely among the rich from among you, (59/7). Islamic view is that unless equality(masawat) in all spheres of life is not practiced, a society will remain unjust and it is the duty of the state to provide and look after the needs and comforts of its subjects.

  • Posted By: 771979 @ 04/10/2009 8:37:59 AM

    Capitalism was built without foundations and bound to collapse sooner or later with a mighty thud. It breeds unbridled greed and nothing but more greed as we are witnessing in the financial, banking and private sectors. The collapse of western capitalism neared it???s end as the wealth from its shores started to travel to emerging Asian economies. Its labour force became hungry for higher wages for less work and their bosses became money, bonus, pension and benefits grabbing cheats and tax-evaders. This economic recession is going to hit the West harder than that of 30s??? because then it did not face commercial competition from the East but now, it would have to compete with emerging economies and markets as powerful of the Asia.

    Capitalism was bound to fail as did the Communism because any man-made ???ism or ideology??? can not bring fairness, justice to the masses and is the ultimate recipe for economic, social and political catastrophe. Communism to fail because it crushed human aspirations, freedom, liberty, prohibited personal possession of assets and made the proletariat just mechanical robots - means of production for the communist state. The godless state-run ideology is anti-thesis of western capitalism, competition and prohibition of amassing wealth, which is a natural desire of a normal human being. Equality of all men in wealth and comfort, even if it is ideal, does not promise to be of unmixed good to humanity. First because natural talents are not equal amongst different men, so much so that even if one were to start a group of person with complete equality, sooner the spendthrift will fall into difficulties and will again look on the fortune of his comrades with greed and envy. Further, on philosophical and psychological grounds, it seems that in the every interest of human society, it is desirable that there should be grades in wealth and the poor having the desire and incentive to work harder. (contd)

  • Posted By: louisMMVII @ 04/09/2009 6:13:34 AM

    Look at it this way, China will do what ever it wants, the real sleeping giant awakened by the US. However, it will always be behind America. Fortunately. America is the true innovative capitalistic society. So therefore she'll stay ahead trudging forward into a new era where conservation, security and innovation really will flourish. China on the other hand will fill the void and become the decades behind new America in the east. This is OK. By America receding a bit it can almost secretly and boastfully climb up to it's stand alone out in front platform creating the modern paradigm. Along with this modernization the US really needs to strengthen it's ties with Russia, by for starters purchasing more oil and other goods. Reagan started it, now we really need to do everything to propagate a trustworthy improved relationship, that is sort of like finishing what we started.It is kind of like the world expecting Jesus to court it, when Jesus would rather be courted by the world(which is the case and causing a major stalemate).Who goes to who? So Russia probably could use some good ol' Jesus like pride swallowing American flattery.

  • Posted By: Reg373 @ 04/08/2009 8:19:32 PM

    These global summit protests are a mismash of legit interest groups, and anarchists trying to start riots. London police were flatfoot, bad job -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

  • Posted By: politicsaregood @ 04/08/2009 5:04:44 PM

    Capitalism is working. It's people's lack of self control and not to budget. it's the same thing as the great depression. too many people buying on credit.

  • Posted By: innerjuju @ 04/08/2009 1:55:16 PM

    I thought the article was missing a key point I would have liked to have understood- what would happen should America stop the flow of lower priced Chinese products into our country? What effect would this have on our economy and the resulting protectionism of the other G-20's. Would the good outweigh the bad in the long run? Mr. Samuelson seems to have danced around this one a bit.

  • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 04/08/2009 11:28:14 AM

    I wish 19 of the G20 gave the U.S. an ultimatum, and tell us that if we don't balance our budget and constrain our spending then they WILL unilaterally create a reserve currency and dump the dollar. We Americans can't control the Federal government from the inside, maybe external pressures will help get us on the right path again.

    • Posted By: bighead1191 @ 04/08/2009 11:42:44 AM

      You do understand that we are not the only ones that operate with a unbalanced budget? Many in the G20 are guilty of the same thing.

      • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 04/08/2009 12:09:50 PM

        True, but none of them are nearly as spectacular in their inability to control spending as we are.

        And to nickdukesz, yeah I blame Congress for spending more money than they collect and running our debt up to $198,000 per person. Got a problem with that? The Chinese didn't make Congress pass a bloated budget for the last 20 years. We have a multifaceted problem. The Chinese have 2 trillion in trade reserves, billions more in U.S. debt, plus whatever we owe the rest of the world, and what do we do? We keep spending their money on bull **** like there is no tomorrow. When it all comes down, the currency will default and any savings you have nickdukesz will not buy a loaf of bread. Is that what you want?

    • Posted By: nickdukesz @ 04/08/2009 12:01:25 PM

      it is typical for people (especially you) to blame America for their own problems.
      I think you just missed the entire point of this article...that China artificially kept its own currency low, creating massive trade surpluses, and now they are suffering because of their reliance on america importing their products.
      Yet they blame america and the dollar for their problems! typical. China can seriously go to hell. I dont support trade embargos..but maybe we shld just make some for china. they dont consume any of our products anyways, we might as well make them pay for gaining wealth at our expense.

  • Posted By: zpolitics @ 04/08/2009 9:51:22 AM

    This is a great article! It poses the question: ???Will the world economic order overcome these stresses or give way to a global free-for-all, characterized by rampant protectionism, nationalistic subsidies and preferences???? It then acknowledges that these behaviors already exist: ???The reserves are not an accident; they are the consequence of conscious policies.??? These policies over the years have contributed to the demise of our manufacturing base, and are one of the reasons why one-third of our economy is now financial instruments. Truly free-trade is the most efficient and fairest way to manage our relations and allocate resources. However, any attempt to address the imbalances already in the system is viewed as protectionism.

  • Posted By: zpolitics @ 04/08/2009 9:50:59 AM

    This is a great article! It poses the question: ???Will the world economic order overcome these stresses or give way to a global free-for-all, characterized by rampant protectionism, nationalistic subsidies and preferences???? It then acknowledges that these behaviors already exist: ???The reserves are not an accident; they are the consequence of conscious policies.??? These policies over the years have contributed to the demise of our manufacturing base, and are one of the reasons why one-third of our economy is now financial instruments. Truly free-trade is the most efficient and fairest way to manage our relations and allocate resources. However, any attempt to address the imbalances already in the system is viewed as protectionism.

  • Posted By: mtnyc89 @ 04/08/2009 9:45:02 AM

    for the past eight years Americans were told (and the world) that our dollar was worth less. Being that Americans are more of a consumers than producers - it doesn't take a Phd from Princeton to figure out that a strong dollar is neded. Yes - small businesses will suffer but the economy is 3/4 consumer - the consumer needs to be put first not business.

  • Posted By: yyba1 @ 04/08/2009 5:00:26 AM

    The imbalances are what they are and are nether alarming nor very surprising. WHAT is missed in this excellent anaysis is the structural disparity, of a third of US GDP becoming "financial services." This is a macro transfer payments bias skewed to benefit the few and their institutional and individual greed and this singularly is the engine that inflated the bubble of the world capital markets, as in the US there are ONLY two macro sector housing and consumer spending. And so when Wall Street decides it's worth a third of this GDP this was a prescription for massive failure and it came with a vengance. NOW what? America will reinvent itself, with a thrird "sustainable" macro sector of "human health and wellness products and services." It will grow up driven by a NEW model of wealth creation the NEW economic paradigm as NEW Global Technologic Infrastructure-GTI and the entire G-20 will support it as its survival depends on its success.
    See WHAT, WHY, WHEN & HOW... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iImBPSEk4So
    The good NEWS is their is a post "meta analysis" SOLUTION and its derives from out of the box "meta narrative" of actual events, history and their composite meaning . Advice, when viwing the Slide Show prompt the slides yourself manually to solow down the sequence and learn the ANSWER(S). Tky, YYBA

  • Posted By: sound off @ 04/07/2009 11:47:03 PM

    not only are we leaning towards redistribution of wealth,, "Gov. cash give ways" and Socialize Gov. " Nationalize Private Corp. " AIG, GM, Real-estate Co. Banks",, but we must acknowledge that we are becoming a Welfare Country. the proof of the above statement is the Demise of the US Dollar, the disrespect of the Dollar.

  • Posted By: andskotinn @ 04/07/2009 11:31:36 PM

    Any discussion of the economy brings one thing home to me: we are off the map, traveling in terra incognita. Here be dragons, and we can't see the farther shore.

  • Posted By: DoctorDavid @ 04/07/2009 11:24:18 PM

    Maybe; maybe not. Look, no one is immune from blame here. The Chinese "market' is controlled and only a few percent of the population are wealthy by Western standards. They don't want to give that up. It always amazes me how a Communist country can lecture a Democratic Capitalist country about Capitalistic matters. That's Demagoguery and the Chinese are very good at it. After all, most "Chinese" products are our products that are exported back to us.
    As far as Europe is concerned, the Euro has come to benefit some and leave out others, because European Countries are Individually politically and ethnically homogenous, European countries remain class stratified and their economies are very conservative despite some degree of social progressivism. It's not hard to see why they produce few exportable progressive innovations. Trade barriers will inevitably backfire on them. That's why the French scream every time one is mentioned.
    Anyway, we are not innocent by any degree. But everyone else has been complicit. Name-calling will not solve the recession, but cooperating in fixing the World economy will.

  • Posted By: gvillagran3 @ 04/07/2009 10:59:05 AM

    American politicians mainly Republicans, will have to come to term witht the fact that the free luch is over. Our nation is now in a crisis that requires tremendous expenditures to return to normalcy, but once the crisis is over a new reaity will emerge.

    For many years we have abused our status as the nation that has the world's reserve currency, The mighty U.S.Dollar. Politicians have taken advantage of the similingly insatiable appetite by foreigners to buy U.S. debt in the form of T-Bills to run ever increasing deficits. The Republican party in the last decades has based most of it's plataform on tax cuts for the rich, and Corporations, while giving lip service to fiscal cuts, and the results are exploding deficits.
    The Democrat 3 month old administration altough inheriting all of this mess from Republicans, has no apparent intention of returning to financial responsibility.

    So the world is about to do it for us. After the crisis is over we can rest assured that we will be looking at a new world. The Dollar will be devalued, America will be treated as any other nation that has runned unsustainable deficits, politicians (LISTEN REPUBLICANS) will not be able to continue with your tax cuts, and fiscal responsibility lip service usual ways.

    Americans only need to ask Third World nations people what they felt when American Capitalist leaders called for real, and tangible cuts in spending, and revenue increases (Tax increases) as the condition to get IMF money to save their economies.

    The fact is our lenders will no longer tolerate the absolute irresponsability by our politicians, and so called financial leaders. We are heading for a rude wake up call.

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