Pulling The Plug On Oil

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  • Posted By: Lcash11 @ 04/07/2009 6:01:40 PM

    Nothing was mentions concerning the Greenhouse gasses produced from biofuels. They produce more greenhouse gas than hydrocarbons.

    Lcash

  • Posted By: Smith5205 @ 04/07/2009 5:03:52 PM

    Not once in the article does Secretary Chu mention domestic oil and gas reserves---he only references foreign sources. Nor does he mention potentials of nuclear energy....does he think our entire energy grid can be satisfied by power from inconsistent winds and expensive solar panels in the deserts of the southwest? (BTW, these need to be routinely washed off with another resource- water). By all means, let's be efficient and attempt to incorporate innovative methods to supply our needs; however, to cripple industries and American families by limiting energy usage in order to deal with nonexistent threats from a trace gas that is essential for life is not only unnecessary but also borders on insane.

  • Posted By: boyydz @ 04/07/2009 4:42:12 PM

    While I am a man-made climate change skeptic, I see nothing wrong with trying to modify US energy policy in the ways that Dr. Chu describes. The problem is that these changes invariably require sizable economic costs to implement. If Dr. Chu would push the Democrat leadership toward encouraging private development of these areas with significant tax credits, we could see a massive shift in the US energy economy. Furthermore, I am roundly disappointed that Dr. Chu makes no mention of the viability of nuclear power to replace the use of massive amounts of coal for electricity generation. Again, if given the regulatory incentive, I'm certain the private sector would come up with effective ways to deal with the issues involved to provide safe and abundant nuclear power. This would result in an ENORMOUS reduction of CO2 emissions. Personally, I find it hypocritical that those who espouse climate change as a result of human-generated CO2 emissions will not support efforts to develop nuclear energy.

  • Posted By: JRR3412 @ 04/07/2009 4:13:17 PM

    If as Dr. Chu states: "the science on global warming is clear and compelling" could be actually be demonstrated perhaps we could buy into this "Global Warming" notion. The truth is that there is no compelling science that man is causing any climate change and I suspect there never will be. Climate Change is a scam of the first order and I would expect a little more scientific curiosity from someone like Dr. Chu.

  • Posted By: mudrup @ 04/07/2009 3:20:51 PM

    Has Chu ever held a job out in the 'real world'? My overwhelming concern is that someone who has so much control of energy policy that can screw up so much business has so little experience (that I know of) in industry -and no, working in a lab doesn't count.

    Regarding the global warming 'concensus', I've seen several scientists and climatilogists in the news who dispute global warming, so to claim that it's indisputable fact is patently false.

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 04/07/2009 2:15:19 PM

    I'm as green as the next damned liberal, but I know that as long as there is oil to be drilled, it shall be drilled. Why not focus on making combustion engines more efficient and clean rather than replacing them altogether?

  • Posted By: rho1953 @ 04/07/2009 1:15:37 PM

    Poppycock. First, more countries are refusing to participate in co2 abatement than are willing to participate. The list grows longer daily. Second, we are a consumptive economy. There will be recovery without increased consumption of goods, services and energy. The goal should be to provide enough energy to allow growth. A policy of a shrinking pie is a recipe for disaster. The "green" jobs don't pay a living wage. Manufacturing is and will be the basis for a healthy economy. If it isn't done here it will be done overseas and foreign workers will take those dirty, nasty jobs. All we are going to do is export our co2 and jobs offshore. Canada,China,Russia,Jpan, India all have disputed the co2 hoax. They will be more than happy to take up the slack. There is global consensus on global warming and the consensus is that it is a natural cycle. It is only Europe and the fools in the US Congress and Senate that want to dismantle our economy.

    • Posted By: Palin who? @ 04/07/2009 2:12:40 PM

      Too bad that our manufacturing costs are far higher in the U.S. than in developing Asian countries. We want cheap labor and a cheap product but unfortunately the two just won't go together. When more manufacturing is done in the United States wait to see how much prices increase on everyday items, you can wish in one hand and crap in the other, see what gets filled first.

  • Posted By: The Messiah @ 04/06/2009 8:34:23 PM

    No president ScumBama is NOT taking energy seriously. He's a confirmed liar talking sh*t ,just like he did to get elected. If you believe his sh*t, you are a sucker who will learn the hard way that you have been duped.

    When you have no job, no home, no retirement and nothing to eat, thank dumb ScumBama and the rest of the criminals on Corruption Hill. It's going to take massive unemployment and poverty before dumb ScumBama is impeached for treason and the rest of the criminals on Corruption Hill are removed. With the loss of 700,000 jobs, month after month after month ScumBama-nomics ain't working. When 20 million people lose their unemployment benefit at the end of '09 and 20 million more are unemployed, then the sh*t will hit the fan.

    • Posted By: Palin who? @ 04/07/2009 1:58:01 PM

      Wow another well informed intelligent redneck still holding onto the unreversable f*ck ups that Dubbya provided. Warning to all rednecks, your population is slowly on the decline, Reaganomics or Bushenomics did not work and will NEVER work, get over yourselves and become open for alternatives. Don't shoot down every single thing the other party offers up...your dumb inbred redneck "solutions" are dead

    • Posted By: thinkTwice @ 04/07/2009 12:18:38 PM

      Moron. Guess you must be one of the inbred 1d10ts who thinks Bush and Cheney looked out for you.

  • Posted By: ecochic @ 04/07/2009 1:17:24 PM

    carpooling evolved:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHGv3332HJ8&feature=channel_page

  • Posted By: luanis @ 04/07/2009 12:37:30 PM

    Finally we have Energy Secretary that is not a MORON like the whole Bush's cabinet.

  • Posted By: Realitycheck99 @ 04/07/2009 12:15:26 PM

    For someone who is the Secretary of Energy, Chu is badly misinformed. Science on global warming is anything BUT decided- wind and solar are not viable options as both require massive subsidies to compete with oil and gas, and nuclear is not even in his discussion even though it is perhaps our most promising option. As for the "oil as security issue" problem- how about we tap into the massive shale oil reserves that exist within our own borders, as well as using the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Both hold great promise and would give us a dependable supply of oil so we can craft a sensible and well-planned transition to multiple energy sources. The change will not and cannot happen all at once, no matter how the fanatics scream, so lets do this rationally and intelligently.

    • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 12:31:12 PM

      Again, that's a load. There is global consensus on global warming, and to suggest otherwise is simply incorrect. Google the words and pull the annnouncement from January.

  • Posted By: robertkjjj @ 04/07/2009 12:15:58 PM

    vstillwell , sorry to burst your bubble, but BummerDude makes some excellent points. He is right that the science is not clear and is very divided on causes of global warming. He is correct that nuclear is a great way to go. he is correct that the earth has gotten warmer and colder, all by itself, for millions of years, on cycles. So, why do you insult him, instead of debating his points with those of your own? Perhaps you just suspect he is right and you have nothing better than insults in your bag of tricks. Sad.

    • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 12:29:46 PM

      Actually bummerdue doesn't have a clue about global warming and the environment. Hoever, he is sompehwat correct in that nuclear power is actually a more attractive alternative power source than ever before. Of couse, we have upcoming technology that will probably supplant fission asa primary power source because it produces far less harmful waste. For now, nuclear is an option being actively persued, and there's no real backlash these days.

  • Posted By: daplane @ 04/05/2009 10:27:34 PM

    Why in the world would we trust someone with a Nobel Prize in Physics? What has physics ever done for us?

    • Posted By: thinkTwice @ 04/07/2009 12:19:46 PM

      Trust in Bush, Cheney and Fox news.

      • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 12:26:21 PM

        *snickers* You guys crack me up! :D

  • Posted By: ploughman @ 04/06/2009 11:42:20 PM

    An added benefit of supplanting oil in transportation and electricity generation is that more will be available as a raw material for petrochemicals (a use not as easily replaced). The darkest scenarios for "the end of oil" literally have us thrown into the 19th century. If it becomes effectively unavailable as a raw material, that's a crippling blow.

    We also have to own up to incredible selfishness and shortsightedness in the last 35 or so years. Suburban sprawl has made problems much worse, not better, and building was based on assumptions that cheap energy would continue forever. Traffic and monster commutes put a bad enough dent in quality of life, but if budgets also are drained for the "privilege," then people will be trapped in a structurally expensive lifestyle that will feel (and be) quite stressful and unfulfilling. All because of an oversold vision of the American Dream that's long overdue for re-examination. The "American dream" makes a lot more sense if you think in terms of designing a lifestyle to maximize consumption for the benefit of businesses that supply it, rather than the benefit of the consumer. It's no wonder why Home Depot or Exxon would be a cheerleader for it, but average consumers have a lot less to cheer about.

    The good news is that other global models already show that less-is-more, especially when it comes to getting more family or leisure time. By harnessing the power of community and living in denser, more sensible surrounds, you can greatly reduce or eliminate any number of expenses that are clobbering families now. Europeans work about 30% less, make about 30% less, pay much higher taxes, but don't take anything like a 30% hit to standard of living versus Americans and, in some areas like vacation time and health care, are easily better off. If Americans keep listening to conservatives and the fend-for-yourself crowd, they'll be working into their 70s with little or no safety net, just so Sam Walton's heirs don't have to pay much in taxes. That's third-world, but that's where it has been heading.

    • Posted By: ironhacker @ 04/07/2009 8:47:22 AM

      You make several points about the advantages that Europeans have. I'll add one more: Their taxes are NOT higher than ours. In fact they are LOWER. When you factor in what we pay for health care ON TOP OF what we pay in taxes, the Europeans are paying less than Americans in most cases. However, the price of socialism is stagnant economic growth and a semi-permanent underclass of under-employed and unemployed people. Our lives during recession are dangerously close to European life EVERY DAY. They are simply better at dealing with the limitations.

      As for the benefits of living with higher population density, there is nothing else that Americans worse at managing. It costs WAY too much to live in the city. Only a few of our cities have viable subway systems that are a true alternative to owning a private car. Our most corrupt, unresponsive governments are in cities. What little service they provide goes to the poor. To provide that service, they dig deep into every pocket they can grab hold of. Costs are out of line with reality. Unless, of course, you are a government beneficiary. It is not entirely fair that cities take on the burden of dealing with the poor, but they have not proven the competence to do anything else. A true solution to urban problems would permanently disconnect a large number of career politicians. Any solution that leaves the corrupt infrastructure intact is not a solution at all.

      • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 12:21:32 PM

        Wow... I can't pick a place to start, but pretty much everything you said wasn't correct. Europeans DO, in fact, on average, pay more taxes than we do, adjusted for pretty much everything. Much more. And they also receive the security that that brings. Both European nations and the US have MIXED economies that balance capitalism and socialism to differing levels, and this level is far from uniform across Europe. It is the socialist aspect of the American economy that provides stability and public infrastructure, and is a core essential of the American way of life. Check your facts, dude.

    • Posted By: fsilber @ 04/07/2009 8:09:34 AM

      A great deal of suburban sprawl is the result of the urban crime spike in the 1960s, and the decline in urban public schools that resulted from busing. Giving urban middle-class people immunity from burglary and mugging -- and safe public schools with appropriately high academic standards and insulation from the social problems of the urban poor -- would greatly improve both the economy and the environment.

  • Posted By: mulkey @ 04/07/2009 11:38:35 AM

    Where the heck is nuclear in all of this? We know it works, we know it is clean, and we know we can really ramp it up, unlike solar or wind. Liberals never change; they can't say "nuclear" cuz the Hollywood types will howl. So much for "change I can believe in" Obama is as married to Barbara Streisand as if he were on her wedding license.

    • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 12:16:37 PM

      The last time that 'nuclear' was a 'liberal' issue as nearly 40 years ago. But haveing drunk the Kool-aid from Rush Industries, you might have missed that one. Update, please.

  • Posted By: Brigwilt @ 04/06/2009 9:17:08 PM

    If you feel so much responsibiliy for future generations, then why are we going to tax them to death with the humongous defictis we are building today?

    In regard to Global Warming, have you studied the science or just heard this from some control freak?

    And why do I want government telling me how to live?

    I choose liberty and to hell with BO.

    • Posted By: thinkTwice @ 04/07/2009 12:15:47 PM

      Its morons like you who have bankrupted this country. Free my a$$. You are owned by the corporates lock, stock and barrel

  • Posted By: vstillwell @ 04/07/2009 12:14:32 PM

    mulkey: Do a little research, man. The cost of building a nuclear power plant has skyrocketed. We don't have the steel production capacity in this country anymore to make the high grade steel it takes to build them. The only plants capable of making the steel we need is owned by a Japanese conglomerate. They have a three year waiting list allready for steel. Incidently, the steel plants that we need today to build nuclear power plants were shuttered and sold off during those glorious Reagen years.

  • Posted By: Qwertius @ 04/07/2009 10:37:00 AM

    Chu says "We will double our alternative-energy capacity over the next three years." Assuming this means wind and solar (and does not include hydro and nuclear, a reasonable assumption) we have already doubled out capacity in the LAST three years. So when it comes to alternative energy, Obama aspires to be just as good as G.W. Bush.

    • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 12:13:55 PM

      Even if I agree with your numbers (which I absolutely do not), basic math says that if you double something (1 to 2) and then double it again (2 to 4), that the second doubling is TWICE the original. I guess that, as the very least, makes Obama twice the guy that Bush was.

    • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 11:51:49 AM

  • Posted By: wesmenno @ 04/07/2009 12:13:52 PM

    We live in the Adirondack Park.
    Sometimes we can work from hoime via the net, but often we have to attend meetings at a distance.

    We have no available mass transit.

    Your prescriptions are self centered and short sighted; they encourage further urbanization, which even you must acknowledge to be harmful/..

  • Posted By: BummerDude @ 04/07/2009 11:57:43 AM

    For like the umpteenth time it has to be stated the the "science is NOT clear on the carbon-glabal warming link. This planet has gone through vast temperature changes, both low and high from its inception and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. Fossil fuels are fine and so far the "evidence" that they are limited is in dispute as well. In the mean time nuclear is a great way to go. Wind and solar are for garden lights and 15th century Holland.

    • Posted By: tmsassan @ 04/07/2009 12:12:07 PM

      And for the umpttenth time, that's a crock. There is absolutely NO DOUBT that man-made chemicals (inclusing CO2) are producing global warming, This is irrefutable fact; there is global scientific agreement. In fact, the US - which is always behind on this issue - recentlly reclassified carbon dioxide as a 'threat' chemical. Get real.

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