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Palin and the Wolves

As a VP candidate, Alaska's governor was attacked for the state's aerial hunting program. But the partisan bickering belies a complex and longstanding debate.

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  • Posted By: rho1953 @ 04/11/2009 9:16:28 PM

    The people on the left have a view of wildlife which is based on decades of propaganda and watching Disney movies that depict animals as lovable and funny characters. Letting the wolf population run out of control doesn't help the wolves or the people. Selective harvesting of wildlife is a good thing. in my area we have an exploding deer population. The number of people who hunt has declined. The people who wanted to eliminate hunting are now complaining about the deer problem. They are foraging in peoples yards, their garbage, eating their flower beds and creating havoc on the highways. I see a dead deer next to the road almost every day. The animal rights people don't have a clue. The polar bear population has tripled in the last thirty years and they are creating huge problems in Alaska. Maybe we should force the animal rights people to adopt a polar bear or wolf for release in their neighborhood. Maybe a dose of reality would teach the nitwits something.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 04/12/2009 5:44:42 PM

      Does it really need to be done by helicopter? I don't have a problem with hunting predators, that's all good and necessary. But is it so much harder to kill them any other way that you have to burn hundreds of gallons of fuel at a time to do it? Alaskan hunters are some of the best on Earth, it seems like at the very least more could by done on foot or snowmobile.

      • Posted By: Alaskanate @ 06/05/2009 11:59:55 PM

        These areas are extremely difficult to access, and wolves are among the most difficult to trap or hunt by normal methods. This is a population managment program, not hunting, so the hunter ethic of Fair Chase has no place here. It is far safer and far more efficient to have the State personally conduct this particular effort.

  • Posted By: jr_chambers @ 04/10/2009 10:41:28 PM

    I was an Alaskan resident for about 13 years and travelled the entire state as a consulting engineer. The majority of my travels were in the interior and the north of the Arctic Circle. I tremendously enjoyed the opportunities to witness the culture and the people in the bush villages. I did observe a number of times blatant wolf kills of wildlife and village dogs and anything else that was living that stayed outside that particular night. I was in three villages "the morning after" on 3 to 4 different times where ALL the dogs in the villages had been killed. Not eaten just killed. The same with moose and caribou as a "training exercise" according to local people. The village residents were effectively hostage by their own admission. I also saw several dozen wolves that had been killed with the aerial hunt during the same period of time. Quite a surprise to me - they were not starving or even thin - much to contrary. The majority of the residents in the dozens of villages that were near wolf populations very much agreed with the control program. The state of Alaska should be governed by it's people and the elected officials not by a minority of activists outside of the state or even within the state.

    • Posted By: Alaskanate @ 06/05/2009 11:54:23 PM

      Thank you for sharing your personal experiences. Too few are willing to tell the truth, or do not know it - even within Alaska.

  • Posted By: Jim1348 @ 04/10/2009 9:36:15 PM

    I am no friend of Sarah. But if they weren't hunting the wolves in Alaska, the left-wingers would complain that she is trying to starve the Indians (I mean Native Americans) by allowing the wolves to eat all the game. Any program that annoys the easterners who know nothing about the west can't be all bad.

  • Posted By: Grampy @ 04/14/2009 10:57:27 PM

    I lived in Alaska for many years and I know that I best way to balance predator and prey is to properly set the number of hunting permits allowed each year in order to sustain the caribou population and other hunted species populations. Man and wolves are both predators and most Alaskan hunters do not depend upon what they hunt for as food . Generally only Native Alaskans fall into that catagory and then not even all of them are dependant soley upon hunting for their food. For Alaska the permits are a huge money-making program and the majority of hunters (mostly from airplanes) are doctors and dentiists and other wealthy people. These people hunt purely for recreation so the argument that Alaskans depend upon the wildlife for survival is a specious argument which could certainly be rebutted with good investigative reporting.
    I hope to see some of it in the future.

    Shane

    • Posted By: Alaskanate @ 06/05/2009 11:47:09 PM

      Well, shane , you could do your own research... Look into it and you will find that the human harvest of ungulate populations in Alaska is around 5 to 7% at at the upper limit. While you may mean well, you need to have more than social disdain for your points to stick.

  • Posted By: Wheeldog @ 04/14/2009 12:15:06 AM

    I became personally involved in the aerial wolf hunting controversy during the 1960s in Alaska. I flew light aircraft, lived many years in the northern bush, hunted and trapped and had numerous encounters with wolves. While I appreciate wolves, I do not consider them to be somehow more noble than any other specie of wildlife. I support the taking of wolves by conventional hunting and trapping. That said, I consider the aerial harvest of wolves, particularly with fixed wing aircraft, except in rare and unusual circumstances, to be generally counterproductive and a blight on the legitimate practice of hunting in general.

    Yes, wolves and humans compete for the same wildlife resources. However, wolves tend to cull out the weaker and often diseased members of a prey population. Humans tend to focus on shooting the more prime members of a prey population. Wolves serve as natural herders of ungulates (moose, deer, caribou, etc.) helping to prevent overgrazing and deterioration of habitat. The balance between prey and predators is dynamic with populations of both fluctuating over time. This is both natural and desirable. I hunted moose and caribou to feed my wife and me. The skins and sinew of these animals were used in the construction of items of clothing and rawhide lashing for sleds. I never felt that wolves were somehow depriving me or others of a fair share of the wildlife. The money to pay for helicopters in wolf control programs is simply a form of government welfare that could be better used in support of truly deserving causes.

    • Posted By: Alaskanate @ 06/05/2009 11:35:27 PM

      Well said Wheeldog. I have lived in the Bush for the last 20 , making my living entirely from hunting, trapping, ad harvesting other wild resources. I am sure you felt as I do, that your interaction with nature in this setting is mutually beneficial. I depend on this land for my livelihood, and the land expects me to manage my activities wisely with a conservation ethic behind every action. That being said, you either haven't experienced in your region, or do not believe what other report, the consequences of declining ungulate populations in the face of rising predater populations. I have seen it, and felt it personally , and can now show you entire sections of the country that have neither moose nor wolves as a result. This is not about hunting techniques, but managment techniques, and I applaud the State for having the courage to step in where necessary and do what must be done, despite the uneducated ranting from activists.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/14/2009 5:10:20 PM

  • Posted By: rumpfl @ 04/16/2009 2:52:45 PM

    For anyone who believes that there are too many wolves in Alaska competing with people for food, please read Farley Mowat's book Never Cry Wolf. In it, he documented the fact that wolves mainly thrive on RODENTS for food. Moreover, wolves are not CARNIVORES, but rather, OMNIVORES like US. And grizzly bears. Some people just want any reason they can drum up to kill whatever animal they want next on thier target list.

    • Posted By: Alaskanate @ 06/05/2009 11:24:51 PM

      oh, there you go , farley Mowat, a REAL scientist....! :) That's just silly - Mowat was an admitted activist, who did not keep his science unpolluted.

  • Posted By: Spinaker @ 04/16/2009 10:12:31 PM

    I have been discussing and fighting this wierd state blood lust for at least eight years. Before Palin and with Murkowski when he was Govenor and now Senator. His logic was that if the wolves were "culled" it would increase the number of Moose and Moose hunting permits cost more money. But, it did not work. The moose, without pressure to maintain population after losses to the wolves, actually decreased in population .

    What people need to remember is that thr wolves live on Federal Land and are protected by The Federal government, or should be. (They tend to look away ow) Remember also that wolf hunting by air was defeated twice in non binding referendums in Alaska BEFORE Palin began offering a bounty on left front legs (adult or pups).

    This is the last of the most genetically pure wolf species. Wolves are extremely intelligent (only the Alpha Male and ALpha Female breed, the rest are "caretakers and assistant hunters". They are smarter than humans, including the Govenors daughter in that regard. They live in family units and keep the rest of the ecosystem in balance.

    This "hunt" is the most careless disregard of responsibility for maintaining a wilderness on record. It shows how a politician can go against the will of the voters if they pay enough for it. It also shows that personal interestes outweigh the good of the citizens who could make millions on tourist trade that LOVES to wee the wolves.

    It is truly a sickening dispaly of human cruelty and ignorance on maintenance of an asset they are blessed to have.

    • Posted By: Alaskanate @ 06/05/2009 11:21:55 PM

      You say you live in Alaska, and have been fighting these programs for a long time? I take it we can blame you for the constant mischaracterization of what's happening in Alaska ? Please let our wildlife manager do their necessary work and keep your agenda driven polotics where they belong - at home. We obviously live in two different Alaskas.

    • Posted By: FishAlaska @ 05/18/2009 1:25:18 PM

      Murkowski is now a Senator?! Wow...having lived in Alaska for over 35 years I thought HE was a Senator before he was Governor. Now his DAUGHTER is a Senator. I know, it must have been the same last name thing that just threw you for a loop in checking your facts. Yeah, we Alaskan's suck a managing our own resources, thats why we still have WILD salmon that are now gone from the Pacific Northwest.

    • Posted By: BG.Bryan @ 04/17/2009 4:24:40 PM

      This reminds me of a "bumper sticker" description of conservative/republicans I once saw regarding their attitude for things they don't like or understand (and I usually disregard bumper sticker ideology): Kill it, screw it, or sell it for profit

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/16/2009 11:58:06 PM

      Spinaker-I have seen the video of the wolf hunts. Horrific!

  • Posted By: clwolf @ 04/22/2009 12:07:12 PM

    I am writing to protest Sarah Palin and the state of Alaska???s outrageous and brutal aerial wolf slaughter. Furthermore, I will not travel to Alaska nor spend my money on any Alaskan goods or services until this barbaric practice is legally prohibited. I am sharing my opinions and recommendations to BOYCOTT ALASKA with everyone I know in the United States and abroad. As noted by many others on this page, man does not need to interfere with the balance of nature. Aerial shooting is used for sport and greed and has nothing to do with maintaining a natural balance between predator and prey. As a keystone species, the wolf is of utmost importance to culling out the weakest of its prey, rendering the resulting herds more biologically fit for survival. In addition, they keep ungulates on the move reducing overgrazing and destruction of forests and valleys. Legal hunting should be allowed, Archaic, inhumane forms of sport must be outlawed.
    San Diego, CA



    You have the power to stop this horrendous and inhumane assault against wildlife. Please take a stand.

    • Posted By: FishAlaska @ 05/18/2009 1:12:23 PM

      Fantastic! One less tourist on the road this summer! Please, stay in San Diego, sitting in a Starbucks talking about things that you have no idea about! In Alaska, with a permit, it is legal hunting. It may not be very sporting, it does guarantee that my neighbors and I can live off fresh moose meat all winter and not little white packages of 'meat' that come from the grocery store. Please...boycott Alaska!!!

  • Posted By: Mephistopholes @ 05/04/2009 10:31:03 PM

    First off, if it was needed to protect the balance of the Alaskan ecosystem and was actually done in a humane way, I wouldn't be against preservation, BUT, this is neither humane, nor is it preserving the current ecosystem in Alaska, and it could start to damage it if larger numbers of wolves and bears are killed, with artificially inflating populations of moose and caribou. Second, denning is illegal in Alaska, so by killing the wolf pups, they broke their own laws. Also, I personally don't like the terms Valkenburg used, animals aren't grown, but that just reminded me of how vampires from movies think of humans. I think its going to be a while before much progress is made, if the laws have been there as long as they're said to be, but not because they're old, because it seems like a lot, maybe a strong majority of the population in Alaska is fine with keeping them, and so long as they are, so shall it be, unless in the unlikely situation that the federal government steps in and forces their processes to a halt.

  • Posted By: Mephistopholes @ 05/04/2009 10:30:32 PM

    First off, if it was needed to protect the balance of the Alaskan ecosystem and was actually done in a humane way, I wouldn't be against preservation, BUT, this is neither humane, nor is it preserving the current ecosystem in Alaska, and it could start to damage it if larger numbers of wolves and bears are killed, with artificially inflating populations of moose and caribou. Second, denning is illegal in Alaska, so by killing the wolf pups, they broke their own laws. Also, I personally don't like the terms Valkenburg used, animals aren't grown, but that just reminded me of how vampires from movies think of humans. I think its going to be a while before much progress is made, if the laws have been there as long as they're said to be, but not because they're old, because it seems like a lot, maybe a strong majority of the population in Alaska is fine with keeping them, and so long as they are, so shall it be, unless in the unlikely situation that the federal government steps in and forces their processes to a halt.

  • Posted By: animallover12 @ 04/23/2009 6:30:35 PM

    Mother Nature has been controlling animal populations for years not only by atrition but by ebb and tide of prey animals. The only animal on this planet that seems to have no controls of any kind is human beings. We've taken over everything and are extremely adept at controlling what we don't like and don't want interferring with our little space on the planet. Everything from killing feral cats to shooting wolves. We've wiped out entire species of predators on this planet and then say we need to control the prey animals that are out of control. What we need to get is get out of the way and let Mother Nature take back her own controls. Moose, deer, elk and the other prey animals - they're having a hard enough time with our interference with climate change let alone taking the predators that control their numbers and health.

    It truly is a disgusting blot on human-kind that this sort of thing has been allowed to on as long as it has. The proof is in the pudding as it were with the environment in Yellowstone where the wolves have been allowed to flourish again (for the time being apparently - no thanks to our current government) and the herds are healthier, the rivers are healthier and the world is back in balance.

  • Posted By: Platypus@Australia @ 04/21/2009 9:56:37 PM

    There is no need to kill animals to control population. Can Trap, Neuter and Release programs achieve results? Balance can be maintained without resorting to primitive cruelty and the days of the bounty belong well and truly in the ignorance of the past. In Australia, once we used to kill our Dingo by shooting, trapping and poisoning, but this is now illegal. Our Dingo is a protected species. They are not pets, and, indeed, it is illegal to keep them as such without special permission, for they are a wild creature. Balance is achieved by wildlife management programs run by professionals.
    In terms of balance, is it so that wolves cull the weakest of their prey and so help maintain the group health of the herds, while man hunts the best animals and contribute to the herds??? decline?
    As the supposedly dominant, intelligent species, we have a responsibility to use our intelligence to find a balance between species without causing intense suffering. Why do we instead resort to primitive methods, and demonize a species to the point that we ignore inhumanity and take pleasure in its death. Australian naturalist Steve Irwin did much to show the value of reptiles which were usually feared, and also showed that interest in any countries animals cross national boundaries, which is why I am posting here, from Australia.
    Modern programs can be developed to keep a balance without causing these agonising deaths.
    Platypus,
    Australia.

  • Posted By: Bandraoi @ 04/21/2009 5:05:24 AM

    WIth 800,000 caribou and 200,000 moose, I hardly see how 11,000 wolves are making a significant dent in their population. Also what this article fails to mention is that aerial gunning is illegal under federal law. Palin and her cronies are using a loophole under wildlife management. It's a hack job.

    I'm a member of Defenders of Wildlife, but we all need to write to our constituents and have them sign the Protect Americas Wildlife Act or the PAW Act. It will totally eliminate such atrocities as aerial gunning. Nature *does* cycle out predator prey relationships, hence there are fewer wolves than ungulates.

    Sarah Palin is a criminal, and she needs to be stopped immediately

    • Posted By: whynotpreserve2 @ 04/21/2009 1:23:40 PM

      I could not agree more with all your comments. When are we ever strike a balance between humans and animal's living together if we continue to interfere with what the perfect balance God set up in the beginning?

      If you break the law, you are a criminal and should be prosecuted as such. No one should be above the law, and why this barbaric practice continues has been permitted, is a blight on all Alaskans.

    • Posted By: whynotpreserve2 @ 04/21/2009 1:19:25 PM

      I could not agree more with all your comments. When are we ever strike a balance between humans and animal's living together if we continue to interfere with what the perfect balance God set up in the beginning?

      If you break the law, you are a criminal and should be prosecuted as such. No one should be above the law, and why this barbaric practice continues has been permitted, is a blight on all Alaskans.

  • Posted By: Chippewa Ferguson @ 04/15/2009 10:31:07 PM

    I was a bush pilot in Alaska in the 50's and early 60's. The U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service offered a $50 bounty for wolves, usually taken by aircraft. The fur also produced about $50 for the shooter. Soon after, a Univ. of Alaska grad student produced a seven-year study that showed that wolves did not impact caribou populations and, amonst other findings, that wolves focussed principally on sick or injured caribou and during lean years did not mate. The bounty system was ended based on this finding. What happened to this idea? When I flew over a large caribou migration, I could see a few grizzly bear, a few sets of wolves and thousands of caribou...did I get any sense of a decimation of the caribou herd? Not in the slightest. What I fear with the latest attack on wolves is a batch of techno-bureaucratic nature scientists getting their way. Or, a group of politically connected hunters wanting that wolf notch on their collective rifles. Whatever is the motivating source...it is full of crap. I saw nature working and the wolves were part of the wonderful balance.

    • Posted By: colley1962 @ 04/20/2009 10:46:00 AM

      Don't you think some things might have changed in the past 50 years!

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/20/2009 7:29:16 PM

        Only due to human predation of them.... If you read that post, it explained how natural cycles controled populations. The same forces that kept everything in balance for all the preceding eons.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/16/2009 1:47:19 AM

      Thank you. Well said. I think there's a reason why the pontificators have left this one alone.

  • Posted By: johnnyk66 @ 04/20/2009 2:19:30 PM

    We treat criminal and rapists in this country better. This is the last frontier, their last place of refuge. Leave them alone.

  • Posted By: tulipwalk@gmail.com @ 04/19/2009 10:54:01 AM

    the aerial shooting, the murder of these wolves has to stop period. Find humane ways of dealing with the population. Killing is never a good thing in anyway. And Sara Palin is backwards.

  • Posted By: NotAScientologist @ 04/11/2009 3:54:43 PM

    Palin learned very young on how to sell out your best friend. She uses her political office to acheive an agenda carved out by her political boosters. She can't stand the title of Public Servant. She's a self serving glutton only out for her own skin and not that of the common public citizen. Alaska, I know it was purchased from Mexico back in 1854 for one million dollars, LOL. I can see Hawaii from my backyard window in Arizona, LOL.

    • Posted By: Rigdowntex @ 04/11/2009 4:21:15 PM

      You'are wasting my hard earned money. Alaska bought from Mexico?? How about from Russia. You have to be an Obama voter. You haven't a clue about anything especially Alaska. The Alaskans known how to manage and even subsist off of the animals of their state. I'm tired of supporting you welfare idiots. Welfare should not be a career choice either. In 4 more years you may be forced to get a job. Until then back to the mailbox for you. Put the keyboard down and crack a book, you moron.

      • Posted By: bighead1191 @ 04/18/2009 9:51:44 AM

        Says one moron to someone who was just a tad misinformed. Your own ignorance is awe inspiring.

    • Posted By: Rigdowntex @ 04/11/2009 4:11:56 PM

      Alaska was bought from Mexico?? Where did you get that? You sound like an Obama voter. Not clue about anything. Quit posting and get educated. Alaska was bought from Russia. Also get a job. Welfare should not be a career choice. I'm tired of supporting you. People in Alask actually live off what they hunt and eat. Alaskans know how to manage the wildliife in their state. Back to the mailbox for you. When do the checks come ? Once or twice a month?

      • Posted By: jjaffie @ 04/15/2009 11:23:16 AM

        Guess you don't know what LOL means, look it up before you start namecalling.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/11/2009 5:20:47 PM

        Want to talk about welfare? How do you think Palins uneducated daughter, her grandchild and ex- son-in-law to be live? We are not talking about huge contributors to our society here. If her parents didn't have some money to support her how do you think Bristol would be living? Let's not even go into Levi and his family. Talk about disfunctional family values. You're right, the main clue I have about Alaska is what Sara and the election have represented. Not a sterling example. The biggest waste of money,is paying Sara to be the head of the state. Surprise! Some democrats, even liberals have full time jobs, even careers. We resent paying for those nonabstinence practicing, school skipping ,indiscriminate breeding, welfare collecting kids. That seems to be what the Palins are producing. What a legacy. Let's hope at least one of the children[ I'm rooting for the adorable Piper] to break the cycle that Sarah and Todd [ sure doesn't seem like a very bright bulb] started. But as my husband says, sarcastically ,"she's hot so nothing else matters." Yeah, education sure seems to be a priority in that family.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 11:35:59 AM

      Alaska was purchased from Russia, idiot.

    • Posted By: Pallisor @ 04/13/2009 10:08:30 AM

      Alaska was purchased from Mexico? Fortunately, your opinion, like your knowledge of American history is not only laughable, but pure schlock.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 04/12/2009 5:47:08 PM

      The U.S. purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867.

      From the Wikipedia article on the Alaska Purchase::

      "The Alaska Purchase (1867) (otherwise known as Seward's Folly or Seward's Icebox) by the United States from the Russian Empire occurred in 1867 at the behest of Secretary of State William Seward. The territory purchased was 586,412 square miles (1,518,800 km²), comprising the modern state of Alaska...The negotiations concluded after an all-night session with the signing of the treaty at 4 o'clock in the morning of March 30, 1867[1] with the purchase price set at $7,200,000 (about 1.9¢ per acre).[2] "

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_purchase

    • Posted By: Rigdowntex @ 04/11/2009 4:22:45 PM

      You'are wasting my hard earned money. Alaska bought from Mexico?? How about from Russia. You have to be an Obama voter. You haven't a clue about anything especially Alaska. The Alaskans known how to manage and even subsist off of the animals of their state. I'm tired of supporting you welfare idiots. Welfare should not be a career choice either. In 4 more years you may be forced to get a job. Until then back to the mailbox for you. Put the keyboard down and crack a book, you moron

  • Posted By: memo2 @ 04/18/2009 5:24:55 AM

    All you people just talking with no sense of what is going on on the politics to express you disapproval about Mrs:Sarah Palin most of you don't have any idea of why she have to change her vote at the last minute on Aerial Hunting this is not about the wild life in Alaska, and some movie stars just trying to make money for they purpose's this people just need more money and this is the oportunity for them to get the aproval here is no need to explain on detail all the fact's is after you, or just keep to blame someone with no reason !........

  • Posted By: leelee5460 @ 04/17/2009 9:58:13 PM

    I think it is horrible!!!!!!!!!!!! its wrong and those poor poor wolfs don't deserve to die or get hurt by a bullet and die in the wilderness who ever thinks its ok are nut crazzy el loco insane! Ms. Pagent Walking Palin should care about shooting those poor animals what if she was the mother of one of the pups and some crazy women like her shot her pup!!!!!!!! I think she should think of it that way what if she would be in that postion as the mother of the pup that got shot how would she feel! take concern in our planet the poor beatiful wolves could go extinct in a mater of years if ms. palin and other people shoot them! leave the animals alone what the hell did they do to you if you thinks its a sport you see a thearapist!! Ms.Palin should think before she shoots the wolf! i say thanks but no thanks to shooting any animal and you should too!900 bears killed little pups in there dens what the ARE YOU NUMBSKULL THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah oh we're helping them my butt! you should not kill any wildlife! its horrible survive on fish i don't care just don't kill the poor inocent little wolves! sarah palin was not fit to be the VP killing wolves why don't you start hunting your neighbors dog their related or just go kill some poor lost dog in the wilderness you know my dogs mom was found in the wilderness why didn't you shoot her! I fell so strongly about this and think we should stop hunting wolves!! they have hearts and packs (familys) too! We should all say thanks but no thanks to hunting the wolves bears! and no im not a tree hugger i love animals and i feel so strongly about killing them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! killing wildlife= NO! Saving animals =YES YES!






  • Posted By: Showsomesense @ 04/17/2009 8:15:54 PM

    This practice is a complete obscenity. Ms. Palin and her gang ignore facts and are an embarrassment to any thinking, feeling, rational individual. The only good thing that happened from the eight-year disaster that was the Bush administration is that we were saved this individual having even more power.

    Heads-up folks - humans "managing" nature will never, ever work. I pray that we have some (and may get more) in control that realize we need to coexist with all things natural and that, ultimately, it is the ultimate in arrogance to presume that we really do have a clue!

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