Obama Gets Gun-Shy

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  • Posted By: illmetaphysics @ 04/19/2009 11:14:50 AM

    I am on the faaaar left wing, and yes! I love firearms. With that being said, I don't believe that these weapons should continue to be banned because people can still get them from the trunk of someones car. Even if you ban them, people will know how to get them anyways.

  • Posted By: blaster1 @ 04/19/2009 9:00:59 AM

    as they say, "guns dont kill people, people kill people" a person wanting to kill can do it any number of ways. he can drive his car onto a crowded sidewalk, he can crash a plane into a large office building, he can combine some chemicals and throw them in a subway. in the Rwandan genocide, the weapon of choice was a machete. hundreds of thousands were killed in that manner. shall we outlaw machetes?, and cars, and planes? anybody can crack and go on a killing spree, all it takes is the right environment and something to set them off.
    gun control is just a way for the govenment to control us. I have no need for an assault weapon, but if I want one I want to be able to purchase it.

  • Posted By: memo2 @ 04/18/2009 6:15:59 AM

    Sorry people just I like to said this kind of gun control right now is only an excuse for the actual Administration to make a point with no sense I understand is time to control more the sales here in USA, but that is way long way to pass over a legal document !.....

  • Posted By: memo2 @ 04/18/2009 6:09:37 AM

    There is no hard to know people trafic with drugs trafic with all kind of weapons,Shouth America only use Mexico with Mariguana and people to make big business Mariguana is no the real business for the South not long ago The CIA Capture some of the most famous lords of the COCA in the South they know and we know the cuestion is why in the Bush Administration stop looking and just let pass by this situation !........

  • Posted By: galgameth @ 04/17/2009 6:11:03 PM

    90 ercent of tracaed guns in mexico are from the u.s., but according to the atf only 17 % of guns in mexico are from the3 u.s
    the reason for the statistics are simple, guns from south america can't be traced or they don't bother to trace them because the origin is obvious.

    why would cartels go through the effort to straw puchase semi-automatic rifles then upgrade and modify them to be automatic when you can easily purchase automatic rifles from south america, central america? military grade weapons are all over the place in central/south america, as are drug cartelks that do their shipping through mexico, why would they ship drugs and not guns to mexico? honestly guys it's common sense.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

    yeah i know it's fox news but the article is directly sourced to the atf.

  • Posted By: mortisio @ 04/17/2009 1:33:14 PM

    to whom it may concern..(and it does me) for your article you used a picture of an AIRSOFT rifle..And also you have removed the blaze ornage tip.This constitutes a vilolation of federal law.The public in general is fed a diet of misinformation please do not add more to it.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 04/16/2009 10:16:20 PM

    The Mexican government is lieing. And it's strange a nation in distress would call on the US for help they KNOW won't reduce violence..
    They want thier people's votes for the APPEARENCE of doing something about crime...a stunt! Like Obama would like. IObama will not catch American firearms owners asleep or asured by todays comments from his telepromter.
    Gun control will mean buisness as usual to the cartels.
    If Obama wants to make STUPID MISTAKE II with gun control he will see how stupid it is! So will the nation! So will Mexico.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/16/2009 6:00:45 PM

    Posting here because reply not working.

    'BehindTheCurtain' chose an apt name. He said:

    "Regarding Class 3 firearms, I believe it is very difficult to circumvent the laws that govern them. From my understanding, the fees involved and the number of government agencies involved in acquiring one seem to make it very difficult to acquire. That process should weed out anybody attempting to acquire one with the intent of smuggling it to Mexico."

    All these people making 'technical' or 'statistical' arguments to suggest that 'lots' of assault weapons are not being exported to Mexico make me wonder why it is they're so 'informed' but need to suggest it is not occuring. But I believe it is obvious.

    I grew up in the gun culture, family and friends then and now involved in 'militia' activities.

    Everyone with any modicum of familiarity with these subjects and activities knows that all you have to do is go to a 'gun fair' and you will find traders working out of their trunks. If they themselves do not have the capacity to deal in quantities in assault weapons, they are literally one step away. It is only a 'secret' to those who are not part of that culture.

    They will sell anything to anyone with cash. The narco terrorists have the cash. They are profiteers.

    All the rest, folks, is translucent veneers and redherrings.

  • Posted By: TheManBehindTheCurtain @ 04/16/2009 11:55:58 AM

    For the record, I have no TV service, so I do not get my news from Fox. That's a straw man technique liberals throw out regularly.

    These latest "facts" you provide appear to be quotes from Mexican police. The entire Juarez, Mexico police force was fired because they were corrupt and in bed with the drug cartels. How much stock can I put in what they say?

    Your latest quote contains this sentence, "grenades, grenade launchers and high-powered ammunition, such as the so-called cop-killer bullets". None of these are available in the U.S. at gun dealers, so they are not being purchased along the border and smuggled in.

    I am not trying to make the argument that zero guns end up in Mexico, only that the 90% figure is constantly thrown around by government officials and now U.S. citizens, but I have yet to see cold, hard facts the substantiate it. You are not providing any either.

    There have been countless armed movements in countries south of Mexico. Many of these movements were armed by both U.S. and foreign governments. Most of the guns provided by non-U.S. governments would have been of the AK-47 variety. Is it not just as likely that these are finding their way to Mexico?

  • Posted By: scherf.com @ 04/16/2009 11:52:27 AM

    IF THE COMMUNIST OBAMA REGIME continues, we fully support the SECESSION of States as Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) mentioned briefly the other day, ... just in case. Most States could function just fine independent of the Federal Government as these States are virtually countries by themselves anyway.

    Why should the citizens of such States pay federal income taxes to an out-of-control Federal Government with communist ambitions and weirdos at the helm, when such States don't even need the Federal Government. States such as CA, TX, FL, NV, etc. would function just fine as their own independent countries/territories and they would prosper tremendously without being part of this weird "union" and the U.S. Federal Government.

    As an example, neither FL, TX nor NV have a state income tax and why should the citizens of these States pay the ridiculous federal income taxes? ... and for what? If these states would charge e.g. a 10-15% state income tax instead because they are their own country and they would no longer need to pay any federal income taxes because they're no longer part of the USA, then all these States would prosper like never before. Also, constitutionally it wouldn't be a problem and there are no laws that all States have to be part of the "union" or that the USA has to exist in the current form forever.

  • Posted By: Dredd @ 04/16/2009 11:25:35 AM

    It is because the disease of war is a source of much corruption:

    "Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.

    War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

    In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.

    The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manner and of morals, engendered in both.

    No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

    War is in fact the true nurse of executive aggrandizement. In war, a physical force is to be created; and it is the executive will, which is to direct it.

    In war, the public treasuries are to be unlocked; and it is the executive hand which is to dispense them.

    In war, the honors and emoluments of office are to be multiplied; and it is the executive patronage under which they are to be enjoyed; and it is the executive brow they are to encircle.

    The strongest passions and most dangerous weaknesses of the human breast; ambition, avarice, vanity, the honorable or venal love of fame, are all in conspiracy against the desire and duty of peace."

    (James Madison, 1775). http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/common-sense-about-state-secrets.html

  • Posted By: wraith511802003 @ 04/15/2009 9:06:58 PM

    More people die in auto accident than guns, so with that logic we should ban all automobiles as well. Life is tuff get a helment or stop whining.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/15/2009 9:11:51 PM

      Yeah! The narco terrorists in Mexico are assassinating sooo many with those cars!

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/16/2009 9:08:16 AM

        If it wasn't for the predominately Liberal voting druggies...there would be no drug cartels....

        NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/16/2009 1:03:55 AM

    Posted By: MChieco @ 04/15/2009 11:17:27 PM

    Speaking of cars , you need a license to drive one.

    Posted By: MChieco @ 04/15/2009 11:17:27 PMSpeaking of cars , you need a liicense to drive one.

    Good one! And we have speeding laws and stop signs too.

    The Constitutional right of assembly is no less than any other. So therefore, you have no right to impede my right to assemble by having laws that restrict how I drive or to require me to have a license... because golly, where will it all end?!



  • Posted By: MChieco @ 04/15/2009 11:17:27 PM

    Speaking of cars , you need a liicense to drive one.

  • Posted By: mikemcm @ 04/15/2009 12:54:21 PM

    If any one thinks assault weapons should be allowed in our homes why not give Mrs. Kelly a call and ask her what she thinks. Also I hope Obama cleans house with the NRA, the NRA is a home grown Terror Cell that is allowed because the worship the same God as the rest of us.

    • Posted By: jh35180 @ 04/16/2009 12:13:29 AM

      I didn't know that the NRA was a terrorist group? Why is that you leftists always refer to anyone on the right as a terrorists?

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/15/2009 2:01:23 PM

      So your position is that anyone who supports the second amendment is a terrorist?

      You sound just like Alberto Gonzales.

  • Posted By: S. Grant Mankowski @ 04/15/2009 10:52:41 PM

    ???Something is very, very wrong with the system.??? No lie! That's especially obvious when you contrast modern America with an event that occurred in Great Britain 100 years ago. During the ???Tottenham Outrage,??? two bank robbers were apprehended by police supported by armed private citizens who loaned their guns to police and others who assisted the police and added their firepower to the chase. Today, a combat veteran hides in fear while a police officer bleeds to death in the street. A society that is too frightened to exercise the responsibility of altruism or even the right of justifiable self-defense should not be surprised to find itself the prey of criminals whether in or out of government.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/15/2009 7:37:03 PM

    jporis- I can't get reply to work so posting here.

    I recently saw an interview of a high level Mexican diplomat who said most grenades and things like that come from their south, but almost all assault weapons in the hands of narco terrorists come from the north. Why would we not care lots if it were 'only' 15%?

    A link to Faux News is not going to convince anyone but a those who think Faux News is the only legitimate source for anything, and they believe anything they say there. They lost me for good (except to check up on what they're doing now) when before the election they did a 'biographical' 'piece' on Obama next to a picture of Karl Marx that filled more than half the page, repeatedly chanting 'terrorist fist bump?', and a piece that included 'Obama is all too familiar with the fashionable salons of our enemies in Europe'.

    • Posted By: DrugWarEnd @ 04/15/2009 8:48:09 PM

      Actually the amount of assault weapons (i.e. machineguns) that come from the U.S. is 0%. Machineguns have been strictly regulated in the U.S. for decades and only the military and police are allowed to purchase them here. A machinegun cannot be purchased by a private citizen in a U.S. gun store. Now if you are talking about other firearms (i.e. rifles, pistols, and shotguns), then the number is about 17%. Mexico seized about 63,500 guns last year, and asked the U.S. to run a trace on approximately 12,000 of them, and of those 12,000 about 10,800 were traced to the U.S. (10,800 being 17% of 63,500). The 90% number comes from careful phrasing by U.S. and Mexican politicians, who talk only about the percentage of the total number of guns Mexico asked to be traced, (10800 being 90% of 12000), without mentioning that there were another 51,500 guns that Mexico did not ask to be traced. The Mexican government has never said why they don???t want the other 51,500 guns traced, and have indeed refused to give the serial numbers off of these guns to the U.S. so they could be traced. No one knows why the Mexican government has decided to do this, though the speculation is because those 51,500 guns are of a type that are obviously not of U.S. origin, and so having them traced would lower the percentage of guns (out of just the guns the Mexican government asks to be traced) the Mexican government could claim are coming from the U.S.

      Even though the percentage of guns that are actually coming from the U.S. is low, Americans do definitely still care about it, but there is no reason to believe even an outright ban on all firearms in the U.S. would have any affect on the ability of the drug cartels in Mexico to obtain weapons. After all the drug cartels acquire and smuggle many many tons of cocaine into Mexico from South America, and then on into the U.S., every year despite cocaine being completely illegal. There is no reason to believe it would be any different with firearms. What would be effective in fighting drug cartel violence is cutting off the cartel???s funding by ending the drug war. In the meantime as long as the drug war continues, there will be just as much violent drug crime as ever, no matter what the guns laws are.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 04/15/2009 9:02:12 PM

        So you're saying that assault weapons (not artificially narrowly defined) can't be obtained in the U.S.?

  • Posted By: wraith511802003 @ 04/15/2009 9:01:50 PM

    http://www.redcounty.com/american-guns-mexico-numbers-don%E2%80%99t-lie-they-just-lie-around-and-get-twisted-pretzels

    It is not 90 % and we dont have assult weapons for sale in the USA with out a class three firearms permit. Asking to restinct law abidng citizens of the same weapons that can be obtained elsewhere in the world by crimnlas is not a very good way to prevent gun deaths. Unless they are willing to allow everry citizen to wear ballistic resitant body armor classV.
    When you have a club and i have a gun who will win the fight? It is all about equality, if the area the potential thief goes to is know to have guns in their homes they will be less likely to go and do it. IOf course the same thing can be said that they will go with intent of a fire fight as well. I would rather have the attempt to defend myself and get a lucky head shot instead of pelading for my life to someone intent on killing me anyway.

  • Posted By: wraith511802003 @ 04/15/2009 9:01:35 PM

    http://www.redcounty.com/american-guns-mexico-numbers-don%E2%80%99t-lie-they-just-lie-around-and-get-twisted-pretzels

    It is not 90 % and we dont have assult weapons for sale in the USA with out a class three firearms permit. Asking to restinct law abidng citizens of the same weapons that can be obtained elsewhere in the world by crimnlas is not a very good way to prevent gun deaths. Unless they are willing to allow everry citizen to wear ballistic resitant body armor classV.
    When you have a club and i have a gun who will win the fight? It is all about equality, if the area the potential thief goes to is know to have guns in their homes they will be less likely to go and do it. IOf course the same thing can be said that they will go with intent of a fire fight as well. I would rather have the attempt to defend myself and get a lucky head shot instead of pelading for my life to someone intent on killing me anyway.

  • Posted By: jporis @ 04/15/2009 7:01:59 PM

    It's interesting that in one story, the writer has twice inserted comments stating flatly that Mexico's assault rifle and violence problems are due to assault rifles being smuggled into Mexico from the USA.

    In fact, only a very small percentage of guns in Mexico come from the USA. Most automatic weapons seized in Mexico come from South America and have their serial numbers filed off. Most of the weapons seized in Mexico and traced to the USA are NOT automatic weapons and do have their serial numbers. These represent something like 15% (the high estimate) of guns in Mexico. Most of these weapons are not the ones being used for drug related shootings.

    I think your writers should check their facts before stating things as "given".

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