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  • Posted By: jporis @ 04/15/2009 7:14:07 PM

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

    See the link for a discussion of the facts regarding guns smuggled into Mexico.

  • Posted By: jjaffie @ 04/15/2009 3:09:41 PM

    90% of the assault rifles the drug cartels are using to war their own wars came over the counter from gun dealers in Texas and Arizona.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/14/2009 2:31:51 PM

    Target shooting is real family fun!

    I have 5 kids ages 6-15. After church Easter Sunday the wife and I took all the kids out to the back yard to do a little target shooting. What fun!!!

    We all took turns using my semi-legal automatic rifle shooting Buzz bottles off the fence.

    Well, my "progressive" neighbor in the next trailer over came whining claiming I upset his nap or shot out his windows or some dumb thing. Don't have to tell you how those people are!

    Let's just say that our little Kathy, 9, took care of that problem in a nano-second and used only 35 rounds to get the job done. A sharp little shooter indeed! Damn, I'm proud of that kid.

    Afterward, we all agreed that this was the most meaningful Easter our family had ever shared together.

    And we solved our nosy neighbor problem in one short burst!

    Thank G-d and George W Bush for the NRA!

    • Posted By: Mattbpac @ 04/14/2009 2:42:53 PM

      I can make up a story as well, but you have no FACTS, and no meaningful argument in your little "fairy tale". I am a white collar professional, post-graduate educated, father, husband, and happen to own over 20 of those terrible, awful, root-of-all-evil guns. Guess what? I've never shot anyone. Never aimed a weapon at anyone. Purchased every one legally. If you break into my house, I will kill you. If you threaten my family, I will kill you. If you don't, you will never know that I have a 9mm inside the waistband of my Armani suit. If you close your eyes and expect the government to protect you, you are a FOOL. I guess I shouldn't expect much more from someone who expects the government to provide for every need, bail out every bad decision, and take away every liberty our forefathers fought and died for.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/14/2009 3:23:11 PM

        Oh loosen up! It was a funny story. He's pretty clever. Or maybe it just hits too close to home. Don't think he was exactly going for the facts here.

        • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/14/2009 5:32:07 PM

          Chris... a word to the wise. Most of the serious posters leave when this group comes on. They are classic bottom feeders who wait until the intelligent stuff has been said and then swoop in and terrorize the town. Killer bees, they think. Note our European friend today. Any thoughtful post is attacked from the "left" or "right" whichever flavor is required.
          My friend, you have stumbled into a bad neighborhood. All the good stuff is gone and the cretins inhabit all the fine old houses here. Read Faulkner and remember the Snopes. You got it.
          Of course, Newsweek knows and has kicked several of them off for racist, crude, or downright mean behavior.
          Like rats, they keep coming back with new names. better not get to them or they call you a stalker, threaten you with harassment suits. Silly bilge, indeed.
          Just between you and me... the world is watching them. Enough said.
          Over and out. Hope to see you soon on a fresh board!

          • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/15/2009 11:00:07 AM

            "Chris... a word to the wise. Most of the serious posters leave when this group comes on. "

            Mark, you are the problem. You post nothing but appeal to ridicule, and you do your level best to ruin every conversation you join.

          • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/14/2009 8:37:31 PM

            I'll admit it, I'm green and way out of my league. Thanks, I do appreciate any warning, really! I think I get it. Just don't understand why Holy is still allowed here. Anyway, it's not fun anymore. I enjoyed the banter but I'm outta here!

            • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/14/2009 9:35:15 PM


              I'm with you, Chris, but these people will track you, bait you, answer when they are not called, and then say you attacked them. You witnessed some of that today.

              It would be just plain silly, but the more you know about these characters, the less funny you will find them.

              Sorry, Chris.

              NEWSWEEK MONITORS: If we are correct, this makes 3 more posters who they have run off the board, just today.

              "The darkness will pass; it always does."

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 3:42:53 PM

          Actually, he's a jabbering loon.

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/14/2009 3:13:21 PM

        Armani is so 1995. Now guns in your pants is very hip. Think we got your compelling point. Thanks for being there.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 2:42:37 PM

      Project much? You're a psychotic.

      Just saying.

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/14/2009 3:11:42 PM


        As I said before, don't worry about the psychotics, honey. They are on your side!
        Take your nap. You are stinking up the place with the vitriol, Constitution loverboy.

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 3:43:41 PM

          You say "constitutionloverboy" like it's a BAD thing.

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 4:19:00 PM

            It is when you are a closet commie.....

            NOBAMA!!!

            • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 4:38:56 PM

              Take your meds, HR.

              • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 8:15:11 PM

                I really dig your originality...waste of a great screen name.....

                NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/14/2009 3:28:02 PM

      I target shoot with my grandchildren. It's good clean fun and teach kids gun safety. Please don't blame god for Bush. The newly relocated Dallas village idiot is not his fault.

  • Posted By: Partoftheplan @ 04/15/2009 8:17:07 AM

    Just read that Mexican police have taken an Anti-aircraft gun from the drug dealers. Let's see how the Mexican government can say that came from the U.S.

  • Posted By: Cowboygunsmith @ 04/14/2009 6:57:49 AM

    Newsweek: Your artical about how this adminstration is doing nothing to combat weapon owership is nothing more than a diversonary artical. The real truth is this adminstration has done more harm to gun oweners than any adminstration in history. While they have not attacked in the old style (attacking guns) they have stoped the production of reloading supplies as well as ready made ammo. If you have any questions regarding this please go to any sporting goods store, gun ship ect and try and buy either ammo or reloading supplies. You have relized guns are usless unless you have ammo. Control the ammo and you control the guns. I for one am really worried where this adminstration is going with my country. In less than 120 days our debt has almost doubled and you folks are saying nothing about it buy how good he is doing. Last year you were screaming bloody murder about the Bush budget. This adminstration stands in a Muslem country and makes the statment this is no longer a Christen Country and how much the Muslem comunity has done in shaping our country. (Which it has in the last six years I can agree) This adminstration has approached every enmany we have had in the past 50 years and expressed our sorrow on how we have opposed them and how we now want to be nothing more than their best buds. Yes you are doing a great job and service to this adminstration it goals and agenda (what ever that may be). But you are doing one He-l of a diservice to the country that gives you the freedom to pursue your goals and ambitions. Lets just hope and pray to Allah that you will have that freedom in four years. (if you do it will be because those people who you are trying to down grade are the ones who have stood up and keept it for you)

    • Posted By: Grasshoppa @ 04/15/2009 4:58:19 AM

      I think President Obama is an intelligent person overall. For exampe, why alienate yourself from the countries that you have tension with, when you can ease tensions by just talking with them? Don't you remember the old saying? "Keep your friends close, but but your enemy even closer". When you ease tension, you take away an excuse for any reason to go against who you hate. That's how terrorists operate. They feed off of hate. Tensions have risen extremely since 9/11. How do you respond to that? As for the weapons in our country, I agree with you, whoever controls the ammo, controls the guns. People need to stop beating President Obama over the head for the economy. For some of you have forgotten that millions of jobs were lost prior to the 2008 Election over the past 4 years. Also, what about the trillions of dollars that were in surplus at the end of the Clinton Era? What happened? How do you explain the closure of at least 30 US Army bases over the past 5 years especially in 2005 when tons of goverment employees lost their jobs to finance the war in Iraq? I am here in Germany and people don't have problems with guns like they do in the U.S....Why?? Please stop trying to tie President Obama to being a Muslim. That is old for crying out loud which definitely underlines that you don't have freedom of religion in this country. I could care less what your relgion is as long as you are looking out for the welfare of the American People. If religion is a problem, then change the constitution in reference to it. I can't stand relgion because it causes hatred. You don't have to believe me, just look at history and see what has caused more death on this planet then anything else.

    • Posted By: Grasshoppa @ 04/15/2009 4:57:34 AM

      I think President Obama is an intelligent person overall. For exampe, why alienate yourself from the countries that you have tension with, when you can ease tensions by just talking with them? Don't you remember the old saying? "Keep your friends close, but but your enemy even closer". When you ease tension, you take away an excuse for any reason to go against who you hate. That's how terrorists operate. They feed off of hate. Tensions have risen extremely since 9/11. How do you respond to that? As for the weapons in our country, I agree with you, whoever controls the ammo, controls the guns. People need to stop beating President Obama over the head for the economy. For some of you have forgotten that millions of jobs were lost prior to the 2008 Election over the past 4 years. Also, what about the trillions of dollars that were in surplus at the end of the Clinton Era? What happened? How do you explain the closure of at least 30 US Army bases over the past 5 years especially in 2005 when tons of goverment employees lost their jobs to finance the war in Iraq? I am here in Germany and people don't have problems with guns like they do in the U.S....Why?? Please stop trying to tie President Obama to being a Muslim. That is old for crying out loud which definitely underlines that you don't have freedom of religion in this country. I could care less what your relgion is as long as you are looking out for the welfare of the American People. If religion is a problem, then change the constitution in reference to it. I can't stand relgion because it causes hatred. You don't have to believe me, just look at history and see what has caused more death on this planet then anything else.

  • Posted By: magic_marker @ 04/15/2009 2:10:55 AM

    God took seven days to create the world. Obama is expected to take it all on and return us to a state of bliss in the Gardens of Eden within his first 90 days of office.

    Guns, children's health insurance, North Korea, the Economy, Mexico's drug cartels, Iraq, NATO, Russia, Medicare, Afghanistan, G20, Guantanamo, the Republicans, Education, the Press, financial stimulus, the DEmocrats, the White House dog ...

    solve them all immediately!!!

  • Posted By: cm4297 @ 04/14/2009 11:17:24 PM

    President Obama is from Illinois. We hunt in this state all the time, and everyone knows this is the bluest of blue states.

  • Posted By: History 101 @ 04/14/2009 6:02:52 PM

    Holy Roller, you make me laugh. Each and every time, I read your comments I can only laugh. You are something else. You must have a shrine of every Republican president in your home. President Obama can and will turn this economy around and you still would find someone to to complain about. One more thing. You complain about President Obama "bowing" to the Saudi king. I have a question for you. What do you think our past and future President do when they meet the QUEEN of BRITIAN. I'm just wondering. Your going to say something about, they are our friends and the Saudis are not. For anyone person that is American to acknowledge the titles of queens, kings, ect is throwing dirt into our fore fathers faces. So get over the bowing thing everyone unless your going to bash every president.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 8:13:22 PM

      Please give me an example of a POTUS ever BOWING...a gesture of servitude (no way to spin out of that fact) EVER...and the person in particular....You loons talk a lot about feminism, equality, fairness, etc...The Saudis really have a great record don't they....Legal Rape, Marriage of little girls to men, degradation of females in general, no religious freedom (except mohammedism), Sharia law, no democracy whatsoever, lack of basic human right, etc. etc....And PrezBo-Zo BOWS to him...Well spin it, turn it, shake and bake it...it was what it was...disturbing and subservient...I wish a voice recording was available...I'm certain we would have heard..."My King and My Lord"

      Y'all are HYPOCRITES to the highest order....You don't believe or practice anything you espouse

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: History 101 @ 04/14/2009 11:14:48 PM

        Funny you bring that up. So killing muslims during the crusades was ok. Killing "witches" was ok, and Priest touching little boys and girls is also ok. You should do some research on your own religion before attacking others. Holyroller go buy a house next to Bush and drill for oil, and rob your workers of money, and buy your guns ok. Although, I will say you still make me laugh. Your a funny man Holyroller

  • Posted By: dslaby @ 04/14/2009 11:12:41 PM

    As a Green Beret who volunteered and served with the 5th in Vietnam, I find all the more reason to speak to the insanity of the gun gurus and pc rambos. Iraq has guns on the street. Afghanistan has guns on the street. Somalia has guns on the street. Africa has guns on the street. Mexico has guns on the street. America has guns on the street. Small minds think alike. The 2nd Amendment is no excuse for lawlessness with criminal intent

    http://www.comecleanamerica.net/?tag=/guns

  • Posted By: gsssnipe @ 04/14/2009 11:11:47 PM

    OK total mind blower here

    Let???s say we follow the guidelines as written by the 2nd amendment. As a well regulated Militia, all those who need to possess firearms report once a month to the local Armed forces reserve station, reporting all firearms you possess and ammunition you have on stock if needed by our country. If your not needed you go home, and you???re given a small government monetary fund for National Defense purposes, those folks are in fact keeping up National Defense because they are in fact keeping arms in stock, if nothing else it should be a tax write off.

    If needed then you step up to protect area???s like New Orleans after Katrina.

    Scary thought if you think about today, WOW so we will allow anyone who is willing to report what they have keep firearms as long as they are not convicted criminals, they will in fact become the law.

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the second way it is written, but a second ???, ??? is added as well as capital S in state.

    We if we want true control over illegal guns have a real amendment written so our courts will not argue for years over words or , capital letters. Then and only then will we have true gun control.

  • Posted By: h8idiots @ 04/14/2009 2:01:48 PM

    I was a cop for 35 years and led three different police departments in three different states. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding and not a threat to any of us. Stop blaming the guns... hold people accountable for their behavior. We have plenty of laws on the books to effectively deal with gun violence.

    • Posted By: dslaby @ 04/14/2009 10:16:24 PM

      Guns aren't licensed; people are. I've been giving to the fund to help families of policemen killed in the line of duty. I should send them an AK-47 instead. What reasonable people are trying to do is keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals and irresponsible. Stop preaching garbage and take responsibility for causing police offiers being out gunned with assault weapons and armor piercing bullets.

    • Posted By: History 101 @ 04/14/2009 2:40:38 PM

      I agree. If you take a gun and put it on the table it will NOT go off but you take that same gun and put it into someones hand it has the potential to go off. This is coming from a Liberal, who is also going into law enforcement. Stop blaming "the guns" and blame the knuckleheads that use them "I mean the CRIMINALS". Outlaw guns and only outlaws with have guns.

      • Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/14/2009 3:37:51 PM

        That an old saying, here's another.

        And if you give a starving man a fish, he will always need someone to feed him. however, if you give a man a 190tx tracker bass boat with a 4 stroke 90hp motor and an elite series johnny morris rod with a pfuegler top of the line ree, he can fish for himself!

      • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 3:05:58 PM

        Give that man a cigar.

    • Posted By: wildfyre @ 04/14/2009 2:07:27 PM

      BRAVO!!!

  • Posted By: BZ Mike @ 04/14/2009 9:29:15 PM

    Wow, Isikoff and Smalley say AK47s are flooding into the country...what an outrageous lie! NO regulations controlling the importation of fully automatic weapons have been lifted, virtually or otherwise. A real AK47 costs thousands of dollars and requires fingerprinting and an FBI background check. But, I think Isikoff and Smalley know this. They are continuing the long propaganda campaign aimed at scaring Americans into believing that an assault weapons ban means controlling automatic weapons. The last thing they want people to realize is that an assault weapons ban would only control rifles that function exactly the same as many common deer rifles, but happen to be styled like military weapons. If that works, then they can ban the traditionally styled deer rifles.

  • Posted By: gregcovert @ 04/13/2009 10:03:19 PM

    why doesn't MSNBC run any stories about Obama's half-brothers and sisters? I saw a story on Fox News about his half-brother not being allowed back in to England because of some sex allegations by a 13 year old girl. Fair and Balanced MSNBC. My,my.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 9:23:20 AM

      His family is predominately muslim....they think 13 is OLD for a girl...Did you see where PrezBo-Zo' s King's appointed Judge in Saudi Arabia just refused to let an 8 YR OLD get divorced from her 45 YR OLD husband??? No wonder Obama bowed to him...That idea is what I call Progressive....

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/14/2009 3:34:22 PM

        Factual as usual. I really liked the other chant "NoHolyRoller." Sorry, I forgot who I stole it from.

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 8:43:32 PM

          1st time I saw it was from izafreak...but keep it up...all press is good press....

          NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 4:21:09 PM

          It is factual...You need to quit getting all your info from PMSNBC....

          NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/14/2009 10:37:19 AM

        I thought you'd wear out by now holy. Here's one for you to chew on. 22 of the 23 Red States, all except texas, recieve more Federal tax money back than they pay in. 7 of the Blue states get more back. When you and your fellow GOP mouth-breathers are screaming Socialist and Welfare state, you're basically talking about the Republican states. If the GOP really wants lower taxes on business and thewealthy, the effect would be devistating on the poverty stricken red states. Does the GOP want these states to remain on the blue state charity list? Is this why they use gun control and abortion as a distraction? when will you red staters stop holding out your hands and fend for yourselves?

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 4:23:36 PM

          PrezBo-Zo will turn the entire nation...RED.

          Going to any Tea Parties tommorrow??? Thought you might be selling ACORN shirts....

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/14/2009 4:43:43 PM

            i knew that fact would frost you!

          • Posted By: Alvy @ 04/14/2009 4:42:11 PM

            Hey, it you took an automatic weapon and shot Tiffy, would she just deflate or fly all around the room?
            Is that nitrogen or helium?

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 9:40:33 AM

      Probably because his brothers and sisters didn't get elected president.

      Now, would it be at all possible to stay on topic?

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/14/2009 8:36:51 PM

    I want to give credit where credit is due....PrezBo-Zo avoided screwing up the pirate adventure......He should take a BOW.....how does biker chick say it LMFAO!!!!

    NOBAMA!!!

    ps....Tea Parties attendence will approach 1,000,000 tomorrow....Wonder what PMSNBC will report....

  • Posted By: gsssnipe @ 04/14/2009 7:57:09 PM

    What a great argument, problem is you???re not getting my point???

    But that is normal; most people don???t get the written word???

    The 2nd amendment is the most argued of all the amendments, and usually end with a 5/4 vote from the Supreme Court latest being the decision last year over the DC gun laws???

    My point if you are to attempt Gun Control then you need to start with an Amendment that to the 2nd amendment???i.e. just make it clear???
    In Heller, the Supreme Court determined that the Second Amendment protects an individual right, with the majority opinion stating that:
    The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
    The dissenting opinion stated that:
    The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a ???collective right??? or an ???individual right.??? Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals. But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right.
    So lets just start with making this single sentence clear and in English that can not be argued???then and only then can you attempt to accomplish gun control.
    My point was this in 1990???s the Clinton White House passed a law called the Assault Weapons Ban, silly law that made selling and AK 47 a crime unless you put a thumb hole in the stock and ground off the bayonet lug???ie the making of the MAK 90 but both guns fire the 7.62 round???.and I am sure both are just as deadly???
    If youre going to attempt gun control you have to start with the 2nd admendment, and then and only then can you attempt any kind of real gun control???

  • Posted By: gsssnipe @ 04/14/2009 7:56:08 PM

    What a great argument, problem is you???re not getting my point???

    But that is normal; most people don???t get the written word???

    The 2nd amendment is the most argued of all the amendments, and usually end with a 5/4 vote from the Supreme Court latest being the decision last year over the DC gun laws???

    My point if you are to attempt Gun Control then you need to start with an Amendment that to the 2nd amendment???i.e. just make it clear???
    In Heller, the Supreme Court determined that the Second Amendment protects an individual right, with the majority opinion stating that:
    The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
    The dissenting opinion stated that:
    The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a ???collective right??? or an ???individual right.??? Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals. But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right.
    So lets just start with making this single sentence clear and in English that can not be argued???then and only then can you attempt to accomplish gun control.
    My point was this in 1990???s the Clinton White House passed a law called the Assault Weapons Ban, silly law that made selling and AK 47 a crime unless you put a thumb hole in the stock and ground off the bayonet lug???ie the making of the MAK 90 but both guns fire the 7.62 round???.and I am sure both are just as deadly???
    If youre going to attempt gun control you have to start with the 2nd admendment, and then and only then can you attempt any kind of real gun control???

  • Posted By: gsssnipe @ 04/14/2009 7:55:14 PM


    But that is normal; most people don???t get the written word???

    The 2nd amendment is the most argued of all the amendments, and usually end with a 5/4 vote from the Supreme Court latest being the decision last year over the DC gun laws???

    My point if you are to attempt Gun Control then you need to start with an Amendment that to the 2nd amendment???i.e. just make it clear???
    In Heller, the Supreme Court determined that the Second Amendment protects an individual right, with the majority opinion stating that:
    The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
    The dissenting opinion stated that:
    The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a ???collective right??? or an ???individual right.??? Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals. But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right.
    So lets just start with making this single sentence clear and in English that can not be argued???then and only then can you attempt to accomplish gun control.
    My point was this in 1990???s the Clinton White House passed a law called the Assault Weapons Ban, silly law that made selling and AK 47 a crime unless you put a thumb hole in the stock and ground off the bayonet lug???ie the making of the MAK 90 but both guns fire the 7.62 round???.and I am sure both are just as deadly???
    If youre going to attempt gun control you have to start with the 2nd admendment, and then and only then can you attempt any kind of real gun control???

  • Posted By: GA.dem @ 04/13/2009 10:14:23 PM

    I wish these right wing idiot nut jobs would stop their insane attacks on Obama and his adminstration - so "progressive" (new word for liberal) people such as myself could voice some real complaints. The assault weapon non ban, the recent rulings about detainees (Gitmo, Bagram) rights and backing the Bush invasion of privacy policies... (not to mention Summers and Geithner)!!!!!
    So, please shut up your insane charges. We have some REAL issues we want to bring up.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 10:27:04 PM

      Research the term Progressive (It is what liberal democrats and Republicans called themselves in the early 1900's. Run for cover and from anyone who desribes themself this way. President Wilson actually imprisoned his political enemies during his administration BE VERY AFRAID OF PROGRESSIVES!!!!!!

      • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 6:48:09 PM

        You still haven't learned, have you? The fear mongering doesn't work anymore.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 10:42:08 PM

      In addition name an American who suffered any harm from the eavesdropping policies of GWB. I can name 19 terrorist attacks planned against our nation that they stopped saving thousands of American lives.

      • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 6:47:26 PM

        "In addition name an American who suffered any harm from the eavesdropping policies of GWB."

        All 301,000,000 of us. Either we have rights or we don't. Decide.

      • Posted By: History 101 @ 04/14/2009 5:49:55 PM

        So what about the 15 or so they missed when they hit the twin tower or the pentagon. j w

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 10:23:33 PM

  • Posted By: gsssnipe @ 04/14/2009 4:55:40 PM

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed....that is the 2nd Amendment as sent to each state by our government at the time of ratification, let us begin with this simple sentence, and work from there, I am a Vet I served 24 years, and this one sentence does not give the average American the right to keep and bear arms. Let us not be stupid and think by outlawing guns that look mean will keep us safe, I laugh at the laws that caused the development of the MAK 90, an AK 47 with a thumb hole stock and the bayonet lug ground off???but still fired the 7.62x39 round???just as deadly???if your going to honestly look at this, let us do real control of illegal guns and not go after those who obey the laws of the land???

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 5:22:42 PM

      "and this one sentence does not give the average American the right to keep and bear arms."

      The Supreme Court disagrees.

      • Posted By: gsssnipe @ 04/14/2009 6:42:31 PM

        the courts last decision was based upon a rulling about hand guns in DC...as I stated lets start with this discussion and come up with a means to manage illegal guns not outlaw them based on look...7.62 being fired from a legal MAK 90 or an full auto AK 47 feels the same

        - FYI on the courts ruling....

        The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Scalia said. The court also struck down Washington's requirement that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns.

  • Posted By: nyecop @ 04/14/2009 5:19:26 PM

    I wouldn't have a major problem with "assault weapons" such as the one pictured being banned as they serve no useful sel-defense purpose. However it is clear from H.R. 45 AKA The Blair Hold Firearms Licensing Act, that those idiots in Washington cant' tell the difference between a true "Assault" weapon and one that is simply a semi-auto such as a semi-auto hand gun , rifle or shotgun. The aforementioned are useful not only for self/home defense, but as hunting weaoons as well.

    We don't need more laws just the sttrict enforcement of the laws we already have on the books. If they are going to ban "Assault" weapons, then at least have someone draft the bill that actually understands the true meaning of the term and I hope they will realize their new law will change nothing other than taking "Assalut" weapons out of the hands of law biding citizens, since the criminals will still be able to get them.

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