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  • Posted By: IcedC @ 04/14/2009 9:56:59 AM

    The right to keep are bear arms is not limited to only people that can afford expensive guns.

    If handguns are not needed for personal protection, how come police carry them, why not just rifles and shotguns?

    I would like to see your stats on who you think gets killed more often by guns in the home, I bet you will be surprised by the answer if you actually took the time to research it from a legitimate source.

    So your saying that because the criminal is more likely to get to you first, that you don't need a gun... That???s the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I would rather have a small chance, than NO chance.

    The Supreme Court as well as many others have ruled time and time again that police have no duty to protect an individual from harm. Who's duty is it then??? I would say that it is your own duty, and the best tool is a firearm, because even the weakest victim can fend off the biggest attacker with the pull of a trigger.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/12/2009 11:25:51 PM


    Let's make it simple: no gun laws. Anything goes.

    But every crime committed with a gun gets the death penalty automatically within 30 days, no appeal. Seems fair.

    For those states with a little more humanity, every crime committed with a gun is punished by being locked naked in a cooler (35 degrees above 0, Fahrenheit) for 100 years, automatic. No appeal.

    Simple solutions for really simple folks.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 04/13/2009 5:35:16 PM

      It would be nice if you'd try to have a real discussion about this issue.

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/13/2009 7:50:19 PM

        Vig... are you the new arbiter of real?
        If you can define it for me, I'll try a little harder...
        Gee, thought I was being real... but then, you would know. Huh?

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 9:45:45 AM

          What you ARE is a hack who has only ad hominem and appeal to ridicule arguments.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 10:07:03 AM

      "Let's make it simple: no gun laws. Anything goes.

      But every crime committed with a gun gets the death penalty automatically within 30 days, no appeal. Seems fair. "

      So wait. You want the American people to give up either their 2d amendment rights, or their 5th and 6th amendment rights.

      No deal. We don't have to give up anything, particularly since you offer nothing in return.

      Go to Red China, if you're so fond of these "simple" solutions, you fascist bastard.

      • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/13/2009 7:35:26 PM


        Dude. I'll just pretend i didn't read that.
        Sound a tad unhinged Osama...

        guns don't kill people... unhinged nutjobs do.

        BTW, helluva argument. I think your brilliantly formulated rhetoric has made a new person of me. Thanks.

        Do need to tell you this very gently, but...my proposal was made in jest to spoof all the paranoid freaks who sleep with a .38 under their Teddy Bear.

        Funny how quickly you sucked the bait, T-Rex.

        Relax, all the fascist bastards are on your side!

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 9:45:01 AM

          "Dude. I'll just pretend i didn't read that. "

          Thought you might. You're as bad as Rove and Bush...you're just out after different amendments, is all.

        • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/13/2009 11:13:51 PM

          Mark, good job! Love how you make it look so easy?

  • Posted By: coraltown @ 04/14/2009 9:33:36 AM

    The US is basically insane when it comes to gun laws and has been for so long that it is a waste of time to try and cure it. What you see is what you get and will continue to get, only worse as time goes by.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/14/2009 9:39:44 AM

      We've been well served by insanity for 220+ years.

      And I'd venture to state that things have IMPROVED in that time, in just about all ways.

  • Posted By: warthog @ 04/14/2009 9:37:15 AM

    The real problem here is not guns, but cheap guns which have no purpose other than killing people. Nobody other than a gang member needs a $50 Lorcin 9mm for instance. It is one example in a long list of junk guns sold in the U.S.

    Most people would not say that rifles or shotguns should be banned. I would include well crafted, genuine sportsmans or collectors handguns as well. Frankly, I trust that even the NRA zealots who yell the loudest rarley use their guns irresponsibly and are probably the least likely to have a gun stolen from them. It is cheap guns that "disappear" into the public and fall into the hands of gangs and punks that are the problem.

    I do agree with those who say a gun in the house is a bad idea for most people. Unless you are extremely practiced and have the gun in your lap an intruder will be one you before you can use it. You hear a noise. What do you do, go for the gun? No, you go see what made the noise. It's already too late.

    If every gun used in a crime is traced back to the 'licensed' dealer who bought it from the manufacturer I would be willing to bet that a significant percentage comes from just a few dealers. These dealers seem to have a lot of guns "stolen" or "lost in transit". They are criminals and they should be put out of business.

  • Posted By: Greg the Third @ 04/14/2009 8:49:55 AM

    Time to shoot down some of the baseless counter arguments for gun control. Single shot rifles make sense for hunting and personal protection. Handguns are arguably not needed for personal protection if you are allowed to have a rifle on your property. If you have children or even a spouse it is best to leave your weapon at the gun club and get it only when you go hunting since the most likely person to get shot by it is you or a family member not an intruder, by far. By the time you know the intruder is there they most likely will have a weapon on you before you can get yours. The same goes for when you are in public, they most likely will draw on you before you have a chance to draw your gun, if you have one. The whole purpose of laws is not tp protect law abiding citizens from law abiding citizens, but to protect law abiding citizens from psychopaths like the one in Pittsburgh. Of course you won't use your automatic weapon improperly, but they will. I still have yet to hear a reason why somebody truly needs an automatic weapon aside from the military.

    • Posted By: wildfyre @ 04/14/2009 9:36:00 AM

      6. Law enforcement officers cannot protect you from most psychopaths. The unfortunate truth is that the cops are rarely around when someone goes loopy or a criminal commits his crime. Both types of "perps" tend to commit their mayhem when they know or thing the cops are not around. In addition, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the police are not obligated to "protect and serve" any given individual citizen. Their job is to "protect and serve" the STATE. We the people are part of that state but none of us are crucial to its continuance.
      7. I don't feel a need to own an automatic weapon personally, but I support the rights of those who do want them. For me, I think mostly they waste bullets. One precise shot from a deer rifle is much more effective than 100 rounds from an AK-47. Whoever, in an urban warfare/guerilla resistance environment the full auto carbine is highly effective. You must remember that the purpose of the 2nd amendment was not to protect hunting and sporting uses. It was to ensure that the citizenry was authorized to keep and bear arms capable of protecting that citizenry from a tyrannical government. Just because our present government is not "tyrannical" (a matter of opinion) does not mean that such a state could never rear its ugly head, at which point, only a sufficiently armed citizenry can lop of that same ugly head.

    • Posted By: wildfyre @ 04/14/2009 9:35:29 AM

      So lets counter some of your "counters"...
      1. You must be a great marksman if you only need one shot to hit and kill an armed intruder in your home when you have been awakened at 2AM.
      2. As for single shot hunting, well that is desired and is the most humane. No real sportsman wants to have to shoot the animal 2 or 3 times to kill it. In general, hunting rarely requires multiple shots, and only a sub-moronic boob uses the "spray and pray" method when he has a fine buck in his sights.
      3. A rifle is a poor home defense tool. Small calibers will rarely kill a human attacker and large calibers are likely to go thru the attacker and potentially pass thru multiple rooms, killing your family as they go. Handguns, on the other hand, when loaded with appropriate rounds enable you to shoot the intruder without worrying as much about killing family members in adjacent rooms. A far better tool, even superior to a handgun, is a short barreled shotgun armed with loads designed for little if any secondary penetration.
      4. You are right, by the time you know an intruder is in your home you are at a disadvantage. Not having a personal protective weapon just insures that if someone gets shot it is you rather than the intruder. This is why most criminals are all for "gun control". If they can be reasonably sure that you don't have a firearm they feel much safer robbing you. Homes that criminals know or suspect, have firearms present are rarely robbed except when the criminal is absolutely sure the owners are not home. Unfortunately in these cases the firearms themselves are the primary theft target.
      5. Yes, the criminal will usually get off the first shot, but I???d rather be able to shoot back rather than just meekly waiting for my turn with a bullet.

  • Posted By: pbf4326e @ 04/14/2009 9:28:24 AM

    The incident in Pittsburgh is tragic to be sure but it doesn't seem to make sense to pass legislation that would restrict the rights of many, many law abiding citizens to own semi-automatice rifles and other firearms. This would be akin to passing legislation that requires people to own cars that could only do 55 MPH for a top speed because a very few speed and cause highway fatalities. Banning alcohol because of drunk drivers also comes to mind. A large portion of decent people cannot be penalized due to the criminal actions of the few. The NRA and Brady organization aside, cool heads need to prevail here.

  • Posted By: IcedC @ 04/14/2009 9:21:06 AM

    The posts here both in favor and against gun control are so full of misinformation it is disgusting. Instead of watching 60 minuets for your (biased) view of how things work, maybe you should read the laws behind the National Firearms Act as see what it actually says, and possibly go to a gun show or at least shoot a gun and learn how they work before passing opinion. As far as a gun show loop hole, this is what it is... At a gun show you can sell anyone a UNREGULATED firearm such as a shot gun or hunting rifle, without a background check, IF you have no reason to believe they are not allowed to own a firearm. You CANNOT sell regulated weapons such as Semi or Full Auto AK47s and AR15s or any handguns, without a Background check (yes background check are done on the spot, and then you still need to fulfill the waiting period), additionally FULL AUTO weapons require additional checks, special fees registration, and local law enforcement approval before you can buy them, and even after that the weapons are so rare that they cost thousands of dollars. Lastly the Semi Auto variants of "Assault Rifles" are no more and possibly less deadly than any shot gun or hunting rifle that people can buy without a background check, people are afraid of them because the see Full Auto ones on TV and think they all must be that bad. They aren't, and full auto rarely gets used for crimes in real life...

  • Posted By: Robin Steele @ 04/14/2009 9:17:15 AM

    Gun control does work. It worked in Nazi Germany. It worked in a lot of other places where the government wanted to exterminate the populations.

  • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 11:03:11 AM

    The guns we term as title II weapons (the guns that should never be available to the general public but are if you obtain a special permit for licensed collectors) must be re-defined. The cost of a title II stamp needs go from $250 to $2500, and a separate stamp should be required for each title II weapon owned. All automatic weapons and all semi automatic rifles need to be included as Title 2 weapons, regardless of caliber. Yes, even that little .22 "varmint rifle" needs to go away. Get a bolt action .22 short; you will actually be more apt to hit that furry little forest fiend. Title II gun collectors should undergo a complete background check when applying for each title II stamp - at the collector???s expense. Before purchasing any gun, the buyer must undergo a complete federal background check (again at the buyer???s expense) and a 14 day wait once the check is complete before actually taking the gun home - each time he or she buys a gun. Violation of these rules should be a federal, not state, offense and thus is subject to federal jurisdiction. A convicted felon must forfeit the right to bear arms - forever. The final step is making the violation of these laws a non-violent class 1 felony. If a gun is used to commit a crime, it should automatically be a violent class 1 felony. Before all you gun totin' Billy Bob???s come after me, let me add that you are right, under any system - not just our current or any future system - only criminals will have illegal guns. The rules we propose for anything will always be broken by the bottom feeding underbelly of humanity. But responsible, law abiding citizens will follow these rules with little complaint to the slight inconvenience. These rules do not infringe on the right to own a gun; rather they regulate the weapons themselves for the public good. Much in the same way different vehicles are regulated for the public good. You can go down to your local auto dealer and buy a large truck, but not a small tank - even without a gun on it, to drive to work. So face it, we have the second amendment. Doing away with it is nigh on impossible and so we have to learn to live with it and regulate it.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 11:25:59 AM

      So your argument is that only the rich should be able to own weapons.

      Nice.

      • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 12:08:36 PM

        Can you provide a rational justification for the restrictions that you propose? Can you explain, for example, why you would impose an exorbatant tax upon a Constitutionally-protected right, and apply it to classes of firearms that are rarely criminally misused?

        • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 1:23:53 PM

          If you read both parts of my original post, you will see that I state that Title II weapons need to be redefined to include the so called "assault weapon," Such as your AR-15 and similar guns.It already includes much of the military hardware that is deemed appropriate for military use only (i.e hand grendades, fully automatic weapons,, etc). Making these less available to anyone is a step towards making the really underground guns illegal and providing for stiff, mandatory penalties for possession in additon to penalties for using such a gun. As I said in my post, teh s3cond ammendment is here, it's ours and we much live with it. But the reality is that the vasrt majority of our population does not NEED a gun, they own guns as a matter of want, rather than need. making the more sinister of these machines not available to John Q Public is only a step towars the cure, not the cure. Yes, every gun may be misused, whether it is an Armalite or a Remington Model 70. Many (no, I didn't say all) of the illegal guns the gun fans so adamantly say should be the target of guns laws started life as a legal gun. Make a modification to a rifle, a shotgun or a handgun in your basement and you will likely turn it into a Title Ii weapon for which you must hold a special permit. Modiifications to overall length, barrel length, rat eof fire type of ammunition useable not legal for you and me to make at home, and a legal gunsmith won't either for fear of losing his license (and his living.) Take away the ability to just go buy many of these guns and you take way a percentage of the illegal guns they become. It's a step, a small one maybe, but thats how we all learn to run - small steps first.

          • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 1:43:37 PM

            You still have not provided a rational justification for classifying AR-15 type rifles as "Title-II" firearms. Additionally, as "need" is not relevant, a lack of demonstrated "need" is in irrational and dishonest justification for unnecessary firearms regulation.

            I am aware of the specific nature of your position, however you have not provided any reason to consider your position to be either reasonable or rational.

            • Posted By: Maryland_Shooter @ 04/14/2009 9:09:22 AM

              Title III men, Title III

            • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 3:23:52 PM

              Look deep into your being. FInd that little spot that defines morality, ethics and good common sense. Look there, maybe you will see it. Does doing the right thing need to be justified on paper?

              • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 6:00:08 PM

                "Look deep into your being"?

                What kind of hippie crap is that? If you decide you want to jump on the "it's just a piece of paper" bandwagon with Bush, you're going to need a better argument than that.

              • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 3:53:19 PM

                Your fallacious appeal to emotion and "judgmental language" does not constitute a logical justification for your position. Your assertion that your position is "right" inherently begs the question, as you have not yet demonstrated that your proposal is "right". You are appealing to the assumed validity of your position, which is circular reasoning and thus illogical.

          • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 1:34:38 PM

            "Making these less available to anyone is a step towards making the really underground guns illegal "

            Please provide evidence that the underground guns are being purchased through law-abiding citizens.

            • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 1:51:50 PM

              Just look at the Mexican drug cartels - many of the weaposn they use were purchased legally in the USA. Tell you what, If you know someone that wans to own an assauly rifle, let hinm buy one and go live in a border town in Mexico so he use it to "defend" himself. Maybe he can single handedly stop all the illegal activity. IF he can get all his buddies together, get them all assault rifles and they all go live in Mexico and eliminate the bad guys for good, I'll be the first one to stand in line to petition to let him keep the gun. Otherwise, use a bolt action rifle (it's more accurate if you REALLY know how to shoot).

              • Posted By: dmb12345 @ 04/13/2009 7:55:44 PM

                So, Make your logical assessment on the Rwanda massacare with machetes!!!!!!!!!!!!

              • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 2:41:03 PM

                Please substantiate your assertion regarding firearms used by Mexican cartels.

                • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 3:04:12 PM

                  See data provided recently by numerous sources from both government and media. They would have you belive that the cartesl can't have a gun wiothout american guns sales, OK, I'll call that exageration, adn I think we both agree on that. But a good portion fo the "assault riflles" used in amny of the border city battels were boought in the USA.

                  • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 3:19:51 PM

                    A vague reference to "data provided recently by numerous sources from both government and media" is not a valid substantiation of your assertion. The "government" has provided no verifiable data, and the "media" is not an authority upon the subject.

                    Your assertion remains unsubstantiated. Additionally, you have provided no justification to use Mexico's inherent corruption and unwillingness to address their own crime problems as rationale for unreasonable restrictions on United States citizens.

          • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 1:35:04 PM

            "It's a step, a small one maybe, but thats how we all learn to run - small steps first.":

            Small steps to what? Banning guns?

            • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 1:46:13 PM

              To making the world safer. Face it, guns are here to stay, we won't get rid of them. But getting rid of the wrong guns is the right thing to do morally and ethically.

              • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 1:52:13 PM

                "To making the world safer. "

                I am not interested in safety. I am interested in my rights. If they become mutually exclusive, then you err on the side of civil liberties.

                • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 3:21:07 PM

                  Go live in Mexico, Colombia, or any other "macho" drug hot spot. Take yor asualt weapo with you. be a "hero" there. You may get a chance to use it for what it was designed for. The you will be happy - or dead. Your selfishness is showing. Sometimes, we all give up a little bit of our so called rights for the grearter good of society because it is morally and ethically responsible to do so. Would you excersise your right to refuse a vaccine against a highly contagious desease and go out in public to potentially infect other people just to exercise your rights? The principle is the same. I fther governemtn mandated that you receive the vaccine, would you refuse just to exercise your rights or would you be morally and ethically responsibel and get the vaccine anyway?

                  • Posted By: dmb12345 @ 04/13/2009 7:54:17 PM

                    Guess what, Mexico does not have the constitution. the 1st for oyu say what you wish, and ithe 2nd to take care of you if you intend to take the 2nd from me,

                  • Posted By: Alvy @ 04/13/2009 4:14:02 PM

                    Never thought I'd ever agree with you - but you are absolutely right.


                    About this.

                  • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 3:55:13 PM

                    You are appealing to emotion, rather than providing a logical justification for your position.

              • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 2:40:32 PM

                You have not yet demonstrated that your suggestion would affect "wrong guns".

                • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 3:22:04 PM

                  You have to start somewhere, why not with assualt rifles? It just makes sense, thats all.

                  • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 3:54:20 PM

                    Assault rifles are already restricted as Title-II firearms. If you do not understand existing United States firearms legislation, then you cannot credibly suggest additional legislation.

                  • Posted By: iNCNF @ 04/13/2009 3:51:36 PM

                    "start with assault rifle..." Problem is, is that the rifles 'they' want to ban, are NOT assault rifles. An assault rifle is defined as a fully automatic weapon, but the 'look-a-likes are only semi-automatic. Technically, 'they' want to ban ALL rifles.

          • Posted By: Libricrat @ 04/13/2009 4:00:08 PM

            Actually no, its not a step in the right direction. Its simply an emotional feel good measure that makes people feel as though they are helping when all they have done is make it more likely that a would be robber, mugger or even terrorist would not face any resistance or fight. A gun is a gun. It doesn't matter what they look like. They can be used as a defensive weapon as easily (and is so more often) than they are used for offensive purposes. Individual ownership is absolutely essential to keep a society free from tyranny. If you believe that the state can protect you, better than you can then by all means, move to Russia or Germany so, the rest of us can address the real issues.

      • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 12:14:48 PM

        If you can afford to follw the rules to obtain a military goody, so be it. IIf you can't afford it, Just get a regular gun. Because your wife will sure be POed if you by the AK-47 instead of things you do need, like groceries, mortgage payments, gas, clothes, etc . Guess who sleeps in the garage, but Oh well, you can cuddle with your AK-47.

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 12:44:38 PM

          Translation: Only the rich should be allowed to bear arms.

          • Posted By: Skallywag @ 04/13/2009 1:27:07 PM

            NO, you should only own what you can afford. Like a house or a car. If you can only afford a $100 shotgun go ahead. If you can afford a $1000 Weatherby hunting rifle, go ahead. If you can afford a $5000 Thompson Sub machine gun with permits and tax stamps to legally own it, go ahead.

            • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/13/2009 1:33:23 PM

              "NO, you should only own what you can afford. Like a house or a car."

              My car doesn't require a *punitive* license. I'll agree to your proposal if you drop the cost of registering weapons to whatever it costs to register a car *currently* costs. Not a penny more, and it goes for ANY weapon.

              Deal?.

        • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 12:19:56 PM

          Semi-automatic carbines and civilian hunting rifles are not "military goodies", and it is dishonest for you to apply such a label.

    • Posted By: iNCNF @ 04/13/2009 4:00:49 PM

      So, we need to repeat history. http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html

  • Posted By: ChainsUCanBelieveIn @ 04/14/2009 8:48:09 AM

    Even the tilted "statistics" used by the gun control crowd can't hide the fact that the murder rate has gone down since the ban was not renewed. Banning weapons based on cosmetic features is dumb. And, when will the Oakland PD make public the source of Mixon's weapons?

  • Posted By: cuppa jo @ 04/14/2009 7:54:52 AM

    The Democrats would lose seats that's why. It's not rocket science.

    • Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/14/2009 8:10:46 AM

      End of story. while some house members might be able to push gun control, no one running for President or senate could. If they did and still somehow got elected, there would never be a majority that would be willing to end their political careers by voting for it. What the country needs is for the NRA to originate a plan to reduce assault weapon possession. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

  • Posted By: ro23dart @ 04/14/2009 8:08:52 AM

    People here seem to have no understanding of firearms. Ak-47 is a catch-all term for many rifles produced in different countrys and configurations. Full-auto AKs ARE strictly regulated and damn expensive, Semi-auto AKs are the ones that these articles are talking about. I have rarely seen a full-auto for sale anywhere, and these weapons had to be imported or manufactured before 1984.

  • Posted By: GregHere @ 04/14/2009 7:01:21 AM

    .................................The Gun Lobby is an extremely and powerful force in America and it will take many years to reduce the bad things that they are doing to hurt this Country. These greedy people play like they are Major Patriots but infact they are the complete opposite. The Gun Lobby is a large component of the Right Wing Republican constituency who fund their candidates..........Change takes time but people see what goes on daily with the murders and gun deaths that do not need to happen.

  • Posted By: parslowc @ 04/14/2009 7:41:48 AM

    I think the administration is becoming aware of the strong gun sales going on in this country. It has to be sending a message. It???s not just happening in rural areas. It???s happening all over. The people, committing murders with guns, do not represent the vast majority of gun owners. The violence in Mexico is a drug problem, not a gun problem and not our problem. Other statistics show the influx of weapons coming from South America where there are many gun manufacturers.

    I have personally seen men and women of all ages and races buying guns. Gun usage and safety classes are at full capacity. This clearly points out that people are being responsible about gun ownership and taking it seriously.

    Demand has outpaced supply for most weapons. If you want an ARmalite style rifle, you???ll have to get in line and wait for about six months. (To law abiding gun owners, the AR rifles are highly regarded for target shooting and hunting. Many competitions are based around these rifles.) A good pistol is hard to find and expensive as well.

    The bottom line still remains simple, though. We, as a species, have a strong instinct to defend ourselves. It???s not something another person can give or take away.

    Regretfully, we are also a violent species. Most of us keep it under control. Some do not. The majority wants to defend itself from the minority. It???s not a right. It???s a basic instinct. There is always a way to kill. Maybe in a million years we???ll evolve out of it.

  • Posted By: parslowc @ 04/14/2009 7:38:28 AM

    I think the administration is becoming aware of the strong gun sales going on in this country. It has to be sending a message. It???s not just happening in rural areas. It???s happening all over. The people, committing murders with guns, do not represent the vast majority of gun owners. The violence in Mexico is a drug problem, not a gun problem and not our problem. Other statistics show the influx of weapons coming from South America where there are many gun manufacturers.

    I have personally seen men and women of all ages and races buying guns. Gun usage and safety classes are at full capacity. This clearly points out that people are being responsible about gun ownership and taking it seriously.

    Demand has outpaced supply for most weapons. If you want an ARmalite style rifle, you???ll have to get in line and wait for about six months. (To law abiding gun owners, the AR rifles are highly regarded for target shooting and hunting. Many competitions are based around these rifles.) A good pistol is hard to find and expensive as well.

    The bottom line still remains simple, though. We, as a species, have a strong instinct to defend ourselves. It???s not something another person can give or take away.

    Regretfully, we are also a violent species. Most of us keep it under control. Some do not. The majority wants to be able to defend itself from the minority. There is always a way to kill. Maybe in a million years we???ll evolve out of it.

  • Posted By: wig2160 @ 04/14/2009 7:36:02 AM

    Last time I looked AK-47's were illegal to buy in the US, this article is a joke like the Democrats who control the government and are spending decades worth of Debt in 100 days. Same old Democrat playbook spend, spend, spend and you sheep thought CHANGE was coming, LOL

  • Posted By: Dredwashing @ 04/14/2009 7:28:50 AM

    Calling for gun control because an unstable person did something unstable is not a solution, it will just create a new set of problems. A person intent on harming another is going to use what is at hand it doesn't matter if you ban all weapons; the crooks don't care they will find a weapon or make one, just look at prison, knives made from toothbrushes, etc. An armed robbery took place in my city lately, but the crooks didn't use guns it was swords. Yes this is a state with concealed carry laws, but no one pulled out a gun and shot the robbers. Responsible firearm owners and carriers know that we are not Police Officers, the only reason we carry is to protect ourselves and our families from severe bodily harm that can cause death. We are not allowed to just shoot someone for breaking the law.
    So you see responsible firearm owners are not an issue, neither are firearms themselves. It is the people who do these atocities that are the issue, so by your way of thinking maybe we should just kill all the insane people and forget about fixing the real problem.

  • Posted By: gunguy @ 04/14/2009 5:57:15 AM

    Newsweek why don't you tell the truth? The assault weapons ban isn't about assault weapons! A true "assault weapon is selective fire (read: FULLY AUTOMATIC). What the anti-American gun grabbers are trying to do is ban semi automatic rifles that have the same appearance as a military "assault weapon". This is just a step to completely ban guns one class of firearms at a time! Next it will be sniper rifles (scoped hunting rifles). If only the police and the military have guns wouldn't we live in a police state? It kinda defeats the idea of freedom and liberty, don't you think? We need crime control not gun control!

  • Posted By: galgameth @ 04/14/2009 4:08:10 AM

    this article and many of the posters here reek of ignorance, assault weapons are functionally no different then any other long rifle, many guns that aren't assault weapons are in fact more powerful then assault weapons.


    all an assault weapon is, is a long rifle with a high capacity magazine and two of the following:
    a pistol grip (for comfort)
    a flash suppressor (it stops your barrel from shooting flame and starting forest fires)
    a grenade launcher mount ( grenades and launchers are highly illegal, this is irrelevant)
    a bayonet mount (honestly, bayonets? has that ever actually been used in a crime in the last thirty years)
    a fold able, telescopic stock (uh oh, my stock can be positioned for comfort and easy carry)
    nothing about these guns is more deadly then another long gun
    these are purely cosmetic differences.
    all assault weapons are semi- automatic.

    in order to get a fully automatic gun you need a class III license which is heavily regulated and virtually impossible for civilians to attain.


    this guy could have been using a standard hunting rifle and achieved the same results.
    further gun bans have been shown to be useless, England has a gun ban and some of the most stringent gun laws in the developed world, and after they passed their gun ban in '97 gun crime went up dramatically within two years it was up 40%

    and after our ban was put in place all that happened was gun companies made minor design changes and sold guns that did the exact same thing minus a few features like a flash suppressor, so now when i shoot deer with my ar-15 i can spark up the woods.
    yeehaaaw gun control.

    • Posted By: lovedeedee @ 04/14/2009 5:02:40 AM

      you seem to know so much about assault weapons.. are you a closet sociopath,too??

      • Posted By: galgameth @ 04/14/2009 5:32:45 AM

        yep, every morning i wake up and caress my guns like they're my firstborn son.


        god willing ,i will be given the chance to use my second amendment rights to regulate like a true OPERATOR

  • Posted By: realclear @ 04/14/2009 5:22:22 AM

    Would the authors care to comment on HR 45? http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.00045:

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