Obama Gets Gun-Shy

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  • Posted By: pturet @ 04/12/2009 8:27:33 AM

    If the NRA types insist that guns are needed by law-abiding citizens to protect life and property, would someone PLEASE print stories of instances where someone was stopped by firearms. You don't see them. Oh, I just thought of all the 7-11s. Never mind.

    • Posted By: lbertybell @ 04/12/2009 8:08:27 PM

      Request is reasonable. The NRA, in fact, does this each month in a column called The Armed Citizen. Makes pretty fun reading. Kudos to those grandmas and 7-11 owners for defending themselves! Most often this is with no shots fired.

      • Posted By: Cimarron_45 @ 04/14/2009 4:33:01 AM

        Here you go. It will take you some time to get through them all, but I sincerely hope you do:
        www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

      • Posted By: Cimarron_45 @ 04/14/2009 4:31:04 AM

        Here you go. It will take you some time to read through it, but I hope you will:
        www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

    • Posted By: lbertybell @ 04/12/2009 8:08:07 PM

      Request is reasonable. The NRA, in fact, does this each month in a column called The Armed Citizen. Makes pretty fun reading. Kudos to those grandmas and 7-11 owners for defending themselves! Most often this is with no shots fired.

  • Posted By: Greg the Third @ 04/14/2009 3:15:30 AM

    There is no sane reason whatsoever that automatic and semi-automatic weapons should be made available to the general public. There are military weapons intended for military use. There is no practical civilan use for them. The only reason they are available for sale is fro certain greedy people to make more money. I do think the spirit of the second ammendment should be honored (even if this is debatable), but you have to apply it realistically, after all 200 years have past and some advancement in firearms have been made. Singe shot rifles are ok for personal use and posession as these are similar to the weapons available at the time of the revolution and bill of rights. The whole intention of the second ammendment was to preserve the ability of the citizens through militias to overthrow a corrupt government, as they believed correctly that any government in power with unchecked authority would eventually become hopelessly corrupt and ineffective. I personally don't believe that the second ammendment applies to concealed weapons such as peronal handguns, but that is another debate entirely. What should be addressed is whether or not heavier weapons should be made available to the general public in the same vein of thought, so they could overthrow a corrupt government. I believe the answer is to stop with rifles and disallow purchase or posession of assault rifles. If you extend the logic to assualt rifles then why not allow the public to own hand grenades, rpgs, howitzers, tanks and F-15s? If personal posession of these items was desired in order to maitain an effective militia then those same weapons should be limited to the base they belong to and not the individual's home. Milita members would be allowed ot take possession of these weapons only with the permission of their milita commanders and then only during times of crisis as determined by the milita commander. Since no such milita organizations exist any longer at the state level, the question is moot and these weapons should not be made avaialbe to the general public under any circumstances whatsover in the modern era. The incredible inepness of our modern day politicans in the face of the gun lobbyists results in needless deaths such as during the assault on Pittsburgh's finest by a psychopath. Since these guns are proliferating into the general public, we may come to a point where police are armed with such weapons on a regular basis and we get that martial law feeling walking down our city streets.

  • Posted By: the last John Wayne @ 04/14/2009 3:12:21 AM

    I am the 2006 Colorado St. Champion of Muzzleloader compitition and I have one comment to make on this article. I would never shoot anyone unless 1. They broke into my home with the intent on harming me or my family 2. They intended on causing me injury that could result in death. I am also an avid hunter here in The great State of Colorado. The issue on gun control is totally bogus and I really wish that people would wake up and realize that guns are what made this country free. If the white house were to take away all the guns in this country from law abiding citizens like myself and many other friends of mine, just what do you think is going to happen. I will tell you what will happen all of the Criminals would have a hay day because they would still have their firearms and we wouldnt because the Government took them away. Crime would increase like you have never seen it do in our history. The Criminals would have no fear of knocking over a liquor stor or local 711 or even breaking into homes. The day that we are no longer permitted to protect ourselves is going to be one of the darkest days in our history so please wake up people sometimes you have to take certain matters into your own hands because their are not enough law inforcement officers to help everyone.
    All i ask is that you the American people talk to your elders and listen because alot of them have the same views as myself and I am only eighteen and have more common scense than alot of you older city folk.

  • Posted By: NeoPoliticus @ 04/14/2009 2:49:15 AM

    Liberals are all for personal freedom - until it means accepting responsibility for your actions. Gun hysteria is just another symptom of Liberal hypocrisy.

  • Posted By: Sanescience @ 04/14/2009 1:49:18 AM

    Why is it that statistics of gun usage never includes how often guns used by private citizens have prevented crime? Because that would make their arguments look dumb.

    • Posted By: MDH SacramentoCA @ 04/14/2009 2:01:58 AM

      Exactly! I would like to see some stats on how many peoples lives were SAVED due to the responsible use of firearms for self-defense, and NOT including peace officer use, how many crimes like murder, rape, robbery or mugging were prevented!

      I doubt that the CDC or Handgun Control Inc. would be very forthcoming with those figures.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 04/14/2009 1:59:48 AM

    The ban on semi automatic rifles expired because it did nothing to reduce crime. It's purpose was to CONFUSE and as a gimmick to wage a discrimination campaign against firearms owners with. It had no otrher point..
    For all the details anti-gun idiots THOUGHT they saw on that broadcaste, the 10 year history of the ban speaks louder, particularly because it was a study commisioned by Bill clinton himself that came up EMPTY on evidence the ban did a bit of good.
    It expired for a reason!
    And --the NRA, the oldest civil rights organization in the USA. And to train marksmen.
    More americans are killed each year by fist blows than by "assault weapons" which NEWS WEEK well knows. But won't share.

  • Posted By: WarCloud @ 04/14/2009 1:08:28 AM

    Why are Sara Brady, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Sawyer, the entire staff of 60 minutes and 20/20, and every anti-gun lunatic such huge liars? Why are they so poorly informed? If this issue is so obvious, why do they need to pad their facts, invent statistics, lie about Mexico, to try and sway the public? The public has spoken, is still speaking, and here is the message: Every gun manufacturer in America and every importer is on back order because just the rumor of a new weapons ban caused a panic buying spree that is now almost a year old and growing. Every ammunition dealer and manufacturer is on back order because every type of ammo has been sold out for months, for the same reason. The People are speaking alright. Washington better listen. And no, you cannot buy an AK47 anywhere in the US without BATF approval and a Class 3 machine gun tax stamp. Anyone who says you can, is a liar.

  • Posted By: Libertarian For Life @ 04/14/2009 12:28:39 AM

    Gun bans are nothing more than a panacea for the squeamish public. Criminals will get guns no matter what bans we have in place. The Constitution of The United States of America gives every single American CITIZEN the RIGHT to bear arms. If you are scared of guns then go exercise your RIGHT to learn about them and use them. Target shooting, etc. is very exiting and teaches self discipline, safety, common sense and responsibility. These are qualities that few criminals posses. If you have no desire to use guns then fine. That's your RIGHT. But remember: it is a proven FACT that the passage of concealed carry laws result in a DECLINE in crime in all cities that have approved the CCL. Do some homework, stop whining and stop trying to infringe on MY RIGHT to own them.

    • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/14/2009 12:52:09 AM

      You got that right, brudda!
      I have 5 kids ages 6-15. After church Easter Sunday the wife and I took all the kids out to the back yard to do a little target shooting. What fun!!!

      We all took turns using my semi-legal automatic rifle shooting Buzz bottles off the fence.

      Well, my "progressive" neighbor came whining claiming I upset his nap or shot out his windows or some dumb thing.

      Let's just say that our little Kathy, 9, took care of that problem in a nano-second and used only 35 rounds to get the job done. A sharp little shooter indeed! Damn, I'm' proud of that kid.

      Afterward, we all agreed that this was the most meaningful Easter our family had ever shared together.

      And we solved our nosy neighbor problem in one short burst!

      Thank G-d and George W Bush for the NRA!

  • Posted By: 1stLtDiablo @ 04/14/2009 12:41:48 AM

    It's not merely right-wingers who love guns. Many of my leftists homies love them too. I own several 'assault-style" weapons and read Noam Chomsky and watch Keith Olbermann.

    Second, "izageek"-- do you know the difference between semi-automatic and automatic weapons? Seriously. An AK-47 can be and is most likely a semi-automatic when purchased in VA or TX or anywhere else in the US. YOU need to know the facts. That Bushmaster you're so worried about is a semi-auto too. Federal law prevents the purchase of fully automatic weapons without a hard-to-get class 3 license.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/14/2009 12:32:47 AM


    Something must be done about all the evil-doers. I see them everywhere.

    Were it not for my "arm" I would live in constant fear of all the people who want to do me and my family harm. In fact, I am not so sure about some of the members of my family.

    I will defend my right to kill, be killed, or to blow stuff up, to the death, if necessary.

    I'm an American dammit. It is all about loving my Constitution.

  • Posted By: Libertarian For Life @ 04/14/2009 12:23:49 AM

    Gun bans are nothing more than a panacea for the squeamish public. Criminals will get guns no matter what bans we have in place. Our constitution gives every single American CITIZEN the RIGHT to bear arms. If you are scared of guns then go exercise your RIGHT to use them and stop trying to infringe on MY RIGHT to own them.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/13/2009 10:54:41 PM


    Do you long for instant justice? Do you have nightmares about the evil ones?

    Do you sleep with a pop-gun under your Barbie?

    Let's make it simple then: let's have no gun laws at all. cAnything goes.

    But every crime committed with a gun gets the death penalty automatically within 30 days, no appeal. Seems fair.
    Instant (more or less) justice!

    For those states with a little more humanity, every crime committed with a gun is punished by being locked naked in a cooler (35 degrees above 0, Fahrenheit) for 100 years, automatic. No appeal.

    Let'em experience the chill of death for a helluva long time... kind of like branding or cutting a hand off, but kinder, gentler, eh?

    And just remember gang: guns don't kill... but paranoid onanists do, for sure.

    Simple solutions for really simple folks.

    Mindless ripostes for mindless posters.

    • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/13/2009 11:51:42 PM


      Talk about getting the criminals off the street! Between the crooks shooting the cranks and the cranks shooting back with their completely legal "arms," we'd have all the crooks dead or in the cooler before you know it!

      And the NRA could go back to shooting BBs.

  • Posted By: blurocket9 @ 04/13/2009 11:28:43 PM

    Lets ban all knives...I knew the anti-gun nuts were going to come out of the woodwork sooner or later

  • Posted By: gregcovert @ 04/13/2009 9:56:29 PM

    Obama knows the dems lost control of the house and senate in 1996 because of their anti-weapon position. He may be dumb, but he isn't stupid. Maybe, I doubt it, but. maybe, he actually believes in the 2nd Amendment. hehehehe

    I hope he tries to do something with the 2nd Amendment so he can feel the rath- and lose in 2012.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/13/2009 11:10:30 PM

      Not a genius like Bush, but he's all we've got.

      • Posted By: gregcovert @ 04/13/2009 11:17:07 PM

        I wasn't a big Bush fan , but for reasons other than you may think. He was a big spender (bad thing for a Republican) and a few other things. But, he got it right on the 2nd Amendment. Thanks for that one G.W.

  • Posted By: FOXYOLDWOMAN @ 04/13/2009 1:52:39 PM

    Anyone or any government that allows assault weapons to be sold in the public market is definitely WRONG. All you have to do is 'read the newspapers' all over the world or on line and you will see that too many innocents are killed by the prominence of weapon sales. There has to be some control as it is getting worse daily. Each and every day in a city near where I live there are shooting and killings of more than one with guns that are bought illegally. Innocent children are killed on the street by random gun fire. "CHILDREN" ARE KILLING CHILDREN DAILY!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 11:09:47 PM

      key words bought illegally that will never change even woth an all-out ban criminals wil a;ways have guns,

    • Posted By: gregcovert @ 04/13/2009 10:58:01 PM

      My advice to you: QUIT READING THE NEWSPAPER. Use the time instead to read the Constitution. If you see something in it that you don't like, get it changed. Until that time, live with it. I'm just saying.....

    • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 1:59:33 PM

      "Assault weapons" are rarely criminally misused. It would appear as though you have not adequately researched this subject and, as such, your claims cannot be considered credible. Citing a vague reference to "newspaper reports" is an appeal to the spotlight fallacy, and does not constitute substantiation of your position.

      • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 04/13/2009 2:30:23 PM

        "assualt weapons are rarely criminally used"



        tell that to the border patrols @ the US/mexico border. tell that to the officers caught in firefights with the mexican mafia, and just about any notorious gang. guns and weapons in general are ALWAYS used criminally when in criminal minds hands. to say other wise is flat out stupidity. sorry.

        just because you like to use big words, it doesnt make you intelligent or even noteworthy.

        • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 10:50:42 PM

          Research the weapons used don't just believe what someone says especially Hillary Clinton. Fully automatic weapons require a federal firearms license to own. Assault weapons are used in very few murders less than 1% of our 16000 homicides each year.

        • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 9:57:40 PM

          Less tah 1% OF THE u.s. 16000 HOMICIDES are committed with assault rifles.

        • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 2:38:58 PM

          I should also note that you have not refuted my statement by showing that firearms classified as "assault weapons" are frequently criminally misused. As an example, the AR-15 -- frequently classified as an "assault weapon" -- is the most popular centerfire target rifle in the United States. If this firearm is frequently criminally misused, then you should be able to demonstrate such. If you cannot, then what rational justification exists for restricting the manufacture and sale of this popular civilian firearm?

        • Posted By: Dimensio @ 04/13/2009 2:37:16 PM

          Please show that firearms used by Mexican criminals are "assault weapons", as defined by proposed or existing legislation within the United States, that were purchased in the United States. Explain why the inability or unwillingness for Mexico to enforce its own laws constitutes justification for firearms prohibitions in the United States that affect millions of citizens who have broken no laws.

      • Posted By: FOXYOLDWOMAN @ 04/13/2009 2:09:30 PM

  • Posted By: mac101 @ 04/13/2009 10:58:47 PM

    It is time we started paying attention to the real problem - it isn't guns, it's criminals with guns. Rather than cram our prisons full of non-violent pot smokers, we need to make using a gun while committing a crime an automatic LONG prison sentence. Law abiding gun owners are not the problem - criminals using guns are.

    Let's pass some laws with some real teeth - people who smuggle guns to Mexican cartels need to be hunted, prosecuted, and sent to maximum security prisons. Let's start aggressively using the laws we already have, and get violent offenders behind bars where they belong.

    We don't need to wage war on assault weapons, or any other type of weapon, we need to wage war on people who use them illegally.

    • Posted By: gregcovert @ 04/13/2009 11:06:45 PM

      I agree. Are federal prisons are full of potheads instead of the dangerous folks. The only thing we need to do is enforce the existing laws (which we have to many of).

  • Posted By: Dansterpower @ 04/13/2009 9:22:45 PM

    A solid majority of the American people do not want this ban.

    That's where it is.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 10:54:03 PM

      39% favor a ban that means 61% do not that is only a win if democrats count the votes. Most people know very little about the Brady Bill and less about the number of people killed by assault weapons as you call them.

    • Posted By: gregcovert @ 04/13/2009 10:38:45 PM

      We don't (or shouln't) go by majority. When the ban passed the first time the MAJORITY of Americans were against it, but they wheeled Brady up there in his wheelchair. We are a Republic (rule of Law= Constitution) not a democracy (majority). It doesn't matter what the majority or the minority think- the 2nd Amendment gives us the right to bear arms. Enough said!!!!!

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 9:54:44 PM

      Absolutely not true. Dem elitists want a ban

  • Posted By: falcon642 @ 04/13/2009 10:37:06 PM

    Anyone find the fact that in the past 2 weeks Newsweek has run more articles on gun control than it has on the staggering, record setting budget deficit? Which do you think is more of a long term threat to this country: a type of weapon that is responsible for less than 1% of homicides, or the current budget deficit that is FOUR TIMES GREATER than any prior deficit?

    It seems that Newsweek feels it has the responsibility to counteract Fox news by being as left biased as Fox news is right biased.

    • Posted By: gregcovert @ 04/13/2009 10:46:59 PM

      I definitely noticed. MSNBC is just as bad. I come over here twice a week out f morbid curiousity:) Every headline has the word Obama in it some where. It is truly sicking! Look at their numbers though, they are living on loans and borrowed time:) At least Fox gives a half hearted attempt to give the other side of the story!

  • Posted By: docsuby @ 04/13/2009 10:22:01 PM

    And I qoute "if you make owning guns criminal, only criminals will have guns". I for one have zero interest in letting someone else try to "ensure" my freedom. Only when the government is afraid of what it's citizens CAN do, not WHAT they do can you be free. And for all the readers out there that see this as paranoia, those are the people who are truly kept safe by the people who choose to bear arms.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 04/13/2009 10:19:45 PM

    Criminals will always be able to get guns of all types don't kid yourself into believing different. Just look at drugs today and prohibition in the 1920's The United States has 16000 homicides a year. Less than 1% or under 160 are committed by assault weapons. Drunk drivers kill 25000 people a year should we take away the cars of those arrested for drunk driving? The media hypes murders with assault weapons because as a whole they oppose them. Hillary just said 90% of those weapons are of Mexican origin. The Mexican Mafia use Russian Weapons AK-47's not U.S. made weapons. Be realistic would you take away everyone???s driver???s license because of the drunk drivers? They certainly kill more people then assault weapons. The second amendment was meant to allow citizens to own guns to even overthrow the U.S. govt. if it became to controlling. You know like it is trying to do under these democrats now in control.

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