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  • Posted By: dale's had enouph @ 04/12/2009 7:21:42 AM

    Posted By: anotherGunner @ 04/12/2009 4:33:26 AM

    The US is not a pure democracy - it is nearly impossible to change the US Constitution, especially to alter one of the Bills of Rights. The 2nd Amendment's stated purpose is to keep the State free. This means that weapons of war are granted to the citizens of this country as a right. Some would like to restrict citizens on only owning hunting weapons, but clearly our rights allow all non-criminals to own guns which can be used in armed conflict.

    This being the case, it makes little sense today to be a gun-control advocate. The most sensible course of action for people who value their own life, and that of their loved ones, is to buy a gun or two, and procure a concealed weapons permit. All the stats show that larger numbers of CCW holders are better for reducing crime, anyway, so you can feel good about carrying a pocket revolver.

    So sorry, progressives and liberals, but the war that has been fought since the 60s is over. The 2nd Ammendment won, as Thomas Jefferson intended.
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    I hate to tell you this, Democracy started going out the window with the bail outs, we are becoming a socialist government.

    • Posted By: pturet @ 04/12/2009 8:36:18 AM

      • Posted By: centrist-for-USA @ 04/12/2009 8:46:53 AM

        The right to bear arms is not an unlimited right (like any of the rights). To present the extreme, nuclear weapons are arms. Imagine if we all had the "right" to own a small nuclear weapon.
        When the general public is acquiring weapons that have similar capabilities to those of the military, well then, we have a public safety problem, not a human rights issue.

        • Posted By: iraqvet911 @ 04/13/2009 12:58:51 AM

          We are talking ARMS, not bombs, missles, or explosives.

  • Posted By: Mark Thieme @ 04/12/2009 11:51:06 PM

    I just think all these folks who believe in instant justice ought to have a clear shot at it.

  • Posted By: langs13 @ 04/12/2009 8:58:09 AM

    It's smart. Why give the Republicans a real issue to rally against when they are babbling in the wind like crazy people over nonsense. Let them keep talking and offering no solutions but the same things that ruined our country. After the 2010 elections the Republicans will be an even smaller majority. Then Bushco can go to jail and this gun issue can be settled.

    • Posted By: hankvreeland @ 04/12/2009 11:05:02 PM

      I think the mindless extremists of both parities, which would include you, are as constructive as a social disease when this country is in trouble far beyond a gun issue.

  • Posted By: MDnND @ 04/12/2009 11:12:49 AM

    Wow. Can't get much more left-winged biased than this. Especially when the first assualt weapon ban included a gun from Hollywood which didn't exist but looked sinister... And the liberal media wonders why Fox News has the most viewers: it's in line with maintstream America.

    • Posted By: LIMPbaugh @ 04/12/2009 12:12:47 PM

      Fox news has the most viewers because they preach to the mouth-breathing hate Republicans. Meanwhile most Democrats and independents are watch CSI, NCIS, Dancing with the Stars and other enterment. The GOP needs a daily hate fix to keep them going. Now, if there were more people watching Fox news than watch Dancing with the stars, that would give them bragging rights. Repeat after me, Hate is Good, Hate, Hate, Heil, oops, i mean Hate.

      • Posted By: hankvreeland @ 04/12/2009 10:36:20 PM

        Are you for real?

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/12/2009 11:11:36 AM

    This year will go down in history.
    For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration.
    Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
    and the world will follow our lead into the future.

    Adolph Hitler - 1935

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/12/2009 7:28:50 PM

      Tired of you posting this on every stinking site you see. My mother was there. In Berlin. I asked her about this. She never heard it but said her family did have guns. So there and your point is? Won't stop you will it? Truth hasn't slowed you down yet.

      • Posted By: punch @ 04/12/2009 10:34:48 PM

        If your family had guns in Nazi Berlin, it meant only one thing - they were Nazis.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/12/2009 7:31:28 PM

        So you are saying...this is not a real quote from Adolph??? Offend you??? Are you a Nazi skinhead or something???

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/12/2009 8:01:08 PM

          I said my mother never heard this quote and her family DID own guns and lived in Berlin.. You don't have a job do you? Now call me another name. I would be terribly disappointed if you didn't because, afterall, that is what you do when backed into a corner. Do you do that to your family and friends too, if you have any? Let's start quoting Hitler now shall we? I'm guessing he's one of your idols.

          • Posted By: punch @ 04/12/2009 10:33:01 PM

            If your family owned guns in Nazi Germany, it only meant one thing - they were Nazis.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/12/2009 7:55:27 PM

        Since you don't think Hitler enforced gun control...here is a place to get a little education....I'll use a liberal media miniseries source...CBS's miniseries..."Hitler: The Rise of Evil"....a very good review and source is NRO...web address....http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel052203.asp.

        But here is a tidbit....."Indeed, right now in Zimbabwe, the Robert Mugabe tyranny is perpetrating a genocide by starvation aimed at liquidating about six million people. Mugabe is great admirer of Adolf Hitler. Mugabe's number-two man (who died last year) was Chenjerai Hunzvi, the head of Mugabe's terrorist gangs, who nicknamed himself "Hitler." One of the things that Robert Mugabe, "Hitler" Hunzvi, and Adolf Hitler all have in common is their strong and effective programs of gun control.

        Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have been able to murder 21 million people. Nor would Mugabe be able to carry out his current terror program.".....

        So...like it or not...Adolph instituted very strict gun controls....in order...to massacre millions, while avoiding armed resistance.....BTW...you aren't a Nazi sympathizer are you....I do know that mohammedville and the Grand Mufti were staunch allies of the Third Reich....

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: chris s. @ 04/12/2009 8:08:25 PM

          So now you're an expert on Hitler too. Kinda of a Cliff Clavin aren't you? Just about an expert on everything?

          I"m tired and done with you for the day. Get a life!

  • Posted By: asouthernbelle @ 04/12/2009 12:27:07 PM

    Let the assault rifle weilders go fight our real wars, thereby saving us tons of money in our military budget and getting them the H--- out of our country !

    • Posted By: hankvreeland @ 04/12/2009 10:34:19 PM

      I doubt if you know what an assault rifle is. I doubt if you even care. Years ago an old gentleman told me that when a cause becomes a religion, Reason leaves.

  • Posted By: fsilber @ 04/12/2009 9:34:28 PM

    To be fair, in the final days of his campaign Obama _did_ promise not to take people's guns away. And he _will_ have to rely on those gun owners who gave him the benefit of the doubt when he runs for re-election in 2012. On the bright side, if he keeps keeping his campaign promises, the gun lobby will eventually lose the ability to frighten people into stocking up on these guns.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 04/12/2009 9:04:46 PM

    Violence Policy Center is the old Handgun Control Inc. which changed it's name to distance it's self from HCI's history of lies and made up facts.
    Now in trying to re-invent themselves, the switched...back to the same old lies.

  • Posted By: jwight01 @ 04/11/2009 3:39:00 PM

    Only one comment? Very unusual for this topic, and not surprising it's from a person who sees media reporting on the subject as a "discrimination campaign." So, #1 - there's no loophole? If that's the case, please provide the legal reference that requires a waiting period/background check for guns purchased at gun shows. #2 - we're in a war against terrorism and a war against drugs, yet the NRA supports nothing that will prevent the flow of guns from inside the USA to terrorists and drug cartels outside the USA? So, in fact, the NRA is supporting providing arms to these groups against which the government is waging war? Sounds pretty unpatriotic to me. And #3 - what do assault rifles have to do with hunting and sport shooting? Nothing, is the answer. Assault rifles are military weapons designed for one purpose only - killing human beings. Time to reinstate the ban and close the gun show registration loophole; too bad our Congress doesn't have the backbone to do it.

    • Posted By: NeoBlackdog @ 04/12/2009 7:45:20 PM

      #1, There's no loophole! If someone wants to buy a gun from a licensed gun dealer at a gun show, then the gun dealer has to do the background check and all of the other nonsense in order to make the sale. If someone wishes to purchase a gun from a private individual then there are no checks required.
      #2, The NRA supports giving people the ability to protect themselves from terrorists and drug dealers/addicts. The guns that are being used in the Mexican drug wars are being imported mainly from their southern borders and are weapons that OUR government sent down there to battl insurgents.
      #3, Assault rifles have EVERYTHING to do with hunting and sport shooting! I have an AR-15 (technically not an assault weapon since it is semi-automatic only and has no full-auto setting, but you would consider it such) that I hunt cougar and deer with. I use this same firearm in competitive shooting sports. It serves triple duty because it is also used as a home defense gun.
      You banners need to re-read our Constitution and this time try not to let your feelers get in the way. Use your head.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 04/11/2009 4:13:14 PM

      The 2nd amendment is not to protect hunters....you know this.

      NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: jay21 @ 04/12/2009 6:46:42 PM

    do journalists do any research on the quotes they repprt as news?
    "In recent years the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has also lifted virtually all restrictions on imports of foreign-made assault weapons, permitting a flood of cheap Romanian, Bulgarian and other Eastern European AK-47s to enter the country, according to gun-control groups. "There's been an absolute deluge of these weapons," says Kristen Rand of the Violence Policy Center."

    Blantant LIE, here are the most recent "rulings" of the ATF. Every President in the past 20 years have also made it HARDER to import firearms that "look" scary.

  • Posted By: NOTOBAMA @ 04/12/2009 6:45:42 PM

    Perhaps Obama has seen this. It's from a recent CNN gallop poll that was taken after the shootings last week. http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/08/gun.control.poll/index.html

    Only 39% of Americans favor a gun ban today. Looks like the "new" majority in the minority in this issue.

  • Posted By: NOTOBAMA @ 04/12/2009 6:42:58 PM

    Hillary said, "90% of the Machine guns and Rocket propelled Grenades going into Mexico comes from the U.S". Where can I get some?

  • Posted By: arnold5300 @ 04/12/2009 3:38:01 PM

    Don't anyone ever get tired of the lies 90% of the guns comeing from this country they most likely have several thousand full automatic weapons. Does anyone think mabe there coming from south of mexicos border where there are no laws to break.Now I'm no idiot ar silly enough to think some are not going there but now hold on to your pants so they won't fall off....What kills me is they are illegal to be in this country laws says they have to have a drivers license and they can a buy guns legally stop the ignorance change the law to be legal to be here or no guns Boom there a half ass fix.. Build the damd fence and run these Illegal Mexicans back to Mexico.... P.S can't break a law if your not here..... Arnold Berry

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 04/12/2009 3:23:00 PM

    the thinking (and certaintay) behind the thinking that all other guns will be taken , too, is in the language of the assault weapon ban (while it was US LAW), and it is there that defining guns was done. for the purposes of the law.
    at the time, people with hunting guns found that THIER GUNS had magicly become "ASSAULT WEAPONS."
    SEE?
    Further,the other language on firearms nomenclature was twisted! to Confuse.
    It became clear this was a wedge, to go after more guns to ban later and yet was NOT directted at criminals, and was a farce as a crime control measure.
    It's only porpos was to be a gimmick to use to continue a discrimination campaign against firearms owners. It had NO OTHER POSSIBLE USE! And it was for these reasons it is no longer US law.
    Real military assault weapons are controled by existing law. The news media never makes mention of this FACT.
    Obama is not going to see a time on his watch when firearms owners will sit back and let lies propel firearms law debate. It's interesting that the mainstream news media which carried the lies (and little truth) the first go around are now having business problems. lost credibility.
    Gun owners want CRIMINALS controled, and they can be, with will power from the congress and White House. It has been doe before .There is NO EXCUSS.

  • Posted By: Neutron @ 04/12/2009 1:43:52 PM

    More people carring guns equal less crime. Notice the bad guys don''t walk into a police station and start shooting and if they did it wouldn't go on for long.

  • Posted By: karela @ 04/12/2009 12:52:13 PM

    This is about picking the time and the place for your battles. Right now jobs and the economy have to take precedence. This is not the moment to take on the hot button issue of assault weapons. I don't understand why some people think that if the assault weapons are taken, that all other guns will be taken too. I don't think they will. But every time the words assault rifle are mentioned, half the people in the country go crazy in one direction or the other. Pick your battles and pick your timing. That's what Obama is doing.

  • Posted By: ricanhavoc @ 04/12/2009 12:39:37 PM

    Bad information in paragraphs 5 and 6. What these people call "Assault Weapons" are semi-automatic versions (and therefore not Assault Rifles) that fire intermediate powered cartridges. A standard deer rifle (found in many, many homes across the country) has much more power, and therefore, the cartridges fired in these "Assault Weapons" is not "high powered" at all. The information in the importation is also clearly wrong. The import ban is still in effect, and it prohibits the importation of certain firearms and styles of firearms, as well as the "sporting purpose" clause. The Romanian and Bulgarian AKs mentioned in the article did not suddenly start appearing. These rifles have been imported for a long time, just without the features that would classify them as "Assault Weapons."

    Blaming an inanimate piece of machinery is stupid. If you can't see that then I assume you are not a gun owner. If you are not a gun owner, I assume you have had nothing but good luck and saints in your life. The rest of us have been mugged, robbed, or invaded. Car crashes kill many more people each year in America, but we don't ban cars, or speeds in excess of 20mph. Nonetheless, Soccer Moms take their kids to school in high-powered Assault SUVs (aka HUMMERs)!

  • Posted By: Christopher Hoffman @ 04/12/2009 12:36:33 PM

    Let's be perfectly clear. The problem isn't that the Second Amendment isn't working. It's just that it doesn't work well enough in states that infringe on the right. The nutcase in Binghamton, NY somehow had a pistol permit, but in NY that's rare and arbitrary.

    If Binghamton, NY were located an hour South in "shall issue" Pennsylvania, the chance that an ordinary law abiding citizen could have shut down this miscreant's rampage would have been exponentially greater.

    No gun restriction is ever going to prevent a person, who is bent on evil, from accomplishing his ill will. Anyone capable of brutal murder is so far beyond having any concern for a weapons law as to make the point mute. We are wasting valuable time and energy proposing laws which a criminal is in the business of ignoring. These futile efforts amount to re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic. We ought to be looking at the real causes of violence, hate, anger, disenfranchisement, poverty, ignorance and the empathy and compassion that too many in this generation seem to lack.

    The Second Amendment is, first and foremost, an insurance policy for Americans to prevent the possibility of future tyranny. There is the argument that no handguns, rifles or shotguns are going to keep a government from becoming tyrannical. The Supreme Court weighed in on this in June 2008.

    As Justice Scalia put it recently in the Heller vs. D.C. decision: "It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right. "

    The government has clearly shown that over time, it develops a greater willingness to infringe on 1st (Speech), 2nd (Bearing Arms) and 4th (Search and Seizure), but it's doubtful that our government may have the stomach to infringe on these rights, when doing so requires them to turn their arms against a law abiding, armed populace.

    In short, so-called assault weapons in the hands of law abiding folks (and yes, there are millions of them) act as the final gatekeeper which secures and protects the rest of the guarantees enumerated in the Bill of Right for our great-grandchildren.

    There is reassuring irony in the fact that the exercise of the right virtually guarantees that it will never be needed for it's most important purposes, to prevent the future tyranny of government.

  • Posted By: asouthernbelle @ 04/12/2009 12:23:27 PM

    Hey !! How about all the folks with assault weapons go overseas and fight the bad guys and let our soldiers come home? It will save a ton of money we were gonna spend on the troops.

  • Posted By: Jerome from Layton @ 04/12/2009 12:17:22 PM

    The Weimar government imposed gun control after violence by the Communist and Nazi street gangs in the 1920s. The neighboring governments in Europe followed their lead to register their citizens' arms. While that may or may not have had any effect on crime, we do know that after the Nazi invasions, the first thing the Gestapo did was to check the local registers for Jews, Gypsis, etc., etc., and gun owners. If the registered owner couldn't hand over all of the listed weapons, they killed him.

    Kofi Annan brought arms control to Rwanda. Somehow, that didn't prevent the slaughter the Tutsis but it did make their self defense virtually impossibel. On a smaller scale, after "reports of violence", the police confiscated the arms of the citizens of Rosewood, Florida. A mob then razed the town the following night. See Gun Control is Racist by Grandpa Jack, an illustrated pamphlet courtesy of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, JPFO.org for more on this topic.

    In 1994, Senator Feinstein admitted the "Assault Weapon" Ban was only a first step; as she put it: "Mr. and Mrs. Amercia, turn them in, turn them ALL in." When a country is being prepared for tyranny, a valid early indicator is Gun Control. President Obama and Co. will probably try to do this one by the "back door" incrementally now that he has seen the polls.

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