The Lawyer and The Caterpillar

In October of 1985, four Soviet diplomats were taken hostage by Suni muslims in Beriut, Lebanon. One hostage was killed. The KGB dispatched their alpha team, and the prepatrators and their relatives were identified by KGB operators. The relatives were then taken hostage, and because the KGB had a policy of no negotiation, started sending severed body parts back to muslim leaders with the warning that more would follow if the diplomats were not released immediately. They were, and no Russian diplomats were taken hostage for the next twenty years. Some would claim that as torture. Others would say that that's the price you pay for the games you play. But, in dealing with terrorists and their minions, clarity and results can be achieved in the fog of war by acting decisively and ruthlessly with no quarter asked for or given. The fantasy that rests in the minds of those who believe that negotiation and kindness can ultimately lead to a lasting peace anywhere, have not learned the lessons of history. Reality is another story entirely, and in the final analysis, the KGB had the right idea.

Obama finally admitted the enhanced interrogation techniques worked but said we could have gotten the infromation by other means. Those means had failed that is why they moved up on the scale. Obama said the British did not torture in WWII while being bombed. They used the same techniques immersion in cold water repeatedly and sleep deprivation. Typical democrat lie and no one in the media will check except Fox News. Hope and Change? No politics as usual lying about everything Look out Hillary snipers on the tarmac again!!!

Q: When we bomb villages knowing innocent women and children will be killed, why do we do that ?
A: We do whatever it takes to get the bad guys trying to harm our Nation. ( Obama participates )

Q: When we waterboard a terrorist, why do we do that ?
A: We do whatever it takes to get the bad guys trying to harm our Nation.

Does Obama care more about the terrorist than the women and children ?

It's easy to say I didn't vote for Bush so I'm not responsible, but we ALL laid down when these thugs seized power in the first place. 9 out of 10 of us laid down when we went to war with Iraq. 9 out of 10 of us lay down every time our tax dollars obliterate thousands of innocent people in places like Beirut and Gaza or subvert.duely elected governments who get in the way of our corporate ambitions to privatize and control their natural resources. We all reserve the right to kill and torture anybody who gets in the way of "our way of life" however it is defined by the corporate power structure delivering the goodies and mediating every phase of our lives. It's no wonder that the Republican spin machine is claiming the simple mitigating defense that torture works

to describe cheney the torturer as a scapegoat is wrong.

is tis a case for atorney general holder? i think not. cheney shood stand in front of an international tribunal for his crimes against humanity.

.....as for living in a special time of peril, that is utter nonsense. The world is and has always been fraught with existential peril. Torturing totalitarian states have ALWAYS justified their activities on some grave threat unique to their circumstances.

As vile and immoral and even illegal as the incidents of torture may have been our government awoke on September 11, 2001 to a horror that had never been experienced on our shores before. No one knew, during those horrific moments in New York, in Washington, D.C., and in the skies over Pennsylvania who was attacking us, how many were attacking us and where they would be hitting us next.

I do not excuse the methods used but I understand that in an age of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons the urgency of finding out where the next attack might be and when it would occur overrode the common decency of some of our leaders. Our President's number one priority is not the economy or universal healthcare, but instead it is the security and safety of the American people.

The truth must be learned. Torture must forever be banned. However, trying to satisfy the bloodlust of the far left by putting Bush and Cheney in prison garb and chains will only divide the country and it will make our intelligence services doubt their government will stand behind them in a time of national emergency. We need to find out everything that happened and make sure it never happens again, but then President Obama needs to do the right thing and offer a blank Presidential pardon to all those who engaged in acts, however repulsive, were meant to save the lives of perhaps millions of people.

Howard I'll tell you something you all ready know.
"Following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."

Now Senater John McCain spoke about this during the campaing and of course Bush knew about it. Now even Judge Bybee says he's sorry aobut the torture policy and of course he lied under oath during his confirmation hearing. Now some people are in denial others just don't want to admitt the crimes done by the Bush Administration. President Obama reversed the Torture Policy but he can't correct the pass 8 years. If no one is prosecuted a terrorist group in the future will use the Bush Policy and kidnap American men/woman/children hold them without charges and torture them. As it stands the other Countries will file charges against those responsible for torturing their sitizens. We are prosecuting a young Prirate for threatening the life of a US Captain but the World is watching how the US alloows a President torture Foreign citzens without any charges.

On the other hand, WE ALL really KNEW what was going on behind the doors of our far flung empire of torture, and we are now acting shocked just like the Germans living just outside the gates of Aushswitz. The fact isWE were more than happy to trade our very souls for the mere illusion of safety and comfort. But now we want them back. We elected a black president and proved to the world we are a good and just people. Now if we can only create some kind of sharade to blame SOMEBODY and absolve ourselves.

Amazing isn't it? Just a few years back the rightwing midgets were claiming that the "rule of law" superceeded all other national interests and they crippled the natiional government at what has proved to be a critical moment with an impeachment based on a lie about a blow job.

Dishonesty is the infection that is a pre-cursor to all the other sickness. Dishonesty simply allows easy rationalizing of all the other evils and when there is the belligerent and gross dishonesty that has been arrogantly demonstrated by Bush-Cheney, then, as we have seen, the rest becomes extreme too. There are some who now offer that Bush-Cheney kept America safer and that the Obama administration should refrain from disclosing information that directly criticizes them. The answer is that position simply ignores the facts and attempts to suppress the truth which then serves only the dishonest and their deceptive efforts.

Some of the facts: Bush-Cheney ignored warnings before 9/11; they falsely justified attacking Iraq greatly benefiting Special Interests and a select few; they took the needed resources from the unfinished effort in Afghanistan; they advocated selling America???s port security to Dubai Ports; they over spent with favored vendors for minimal return in the Wars and with Homeland Security; they jeopardized our troops when authorizing mal-treatment of prisoners and departure from Geneva Convention rules; they falsely stated that the Iraq War would be paid for with Iraqi oil money; they repeatedly and boldly lied to the American people, to the world and criminally to congress ??? regarding the status of the ongoing wars, Global Warming, bringing American drugs back into the country, privatizing Social Security, that squelching the ???wiretapping without warrant??? story in an election year was done for national security, and really on and on always benefiting the few. It should be obvious from any rational and objective viewing that Bush-Cheney used their offices and America???s resources in the pursuit of a private agenda to benefit Special Interests and a select few, who returned overt and covert support, substantial contributions and promises for after office (kickback) compensation, all while the average American was given only apathy, the costs and an abundance of subterfuge.

To those who wish to condone, ignore and cover over all of that, I say that in their own dishonesty they are co-responsible and co-conspirators, setting the stage for it to happen again. The value gained in exposing and condemning all of it isn???t only in having a justified apology to the American people and to the world but even more importantly in declaring that it will never happen again. To forgive is Godly but to ignore and encourage corruption is stupid and even criminal.

The Republican Party really needs to purge itself (if they don???t, the voters should) of the people and mentality that hide behind conservative rhetoric while deceptively pursuing self-indulgent goals that benefit only the few and then they need to become honestly, diligently and conscientiously concerned for and representative of all of the people. Maybe then what they have to say will once again have some credibility.

Dishonesty is the infection that is a pre-cursor to all the other sickness. Dishonesty simply allows easy rationalizing of all the other evils and when there is the belligerent and gross dishonesty that has been arrogantly demonstrated by Bush-Cheney, then, as we have seen, the rest becomes extreme too. There are some who now offer that Bush-Cheney kept America safer and that the Obama administration should refrain from disclosing information that directly criticizes them. The answer is that position simply ignores the facts and attempts to suppress the truth which then serves only the dishonest and their deceptive efforts.

Some of the facts: Bush-Cheney ignored warnings before 9/11; they falsely justified attacking Iraq greatly benefiting Special Interests and a select few; they took the needed resources from the unfinished effort in Afghanistan; they advocated selling America???s port security to Dubai Ports; they over spent with favored vendors for minimal return in the Wars and with Homeland Security; they jeopardized our troops when authorizing mal-treatment of prisoners and departure from Geneva Convention rules; they falsely stated that the Iraq War would be paid for with Iraqi oil money; they repeatedly and boldly lied to the American people, to the world and criminally to congress ??? regarding the status of the ongoing wars, Global Warming, bringing American drugs back into the country, privatizing Social Security, that squelching the ???wiretapping without warrant??? story in an election year was done for national security, and really on and on always benefiting the few. It should be obvious from any rational and objective viewing that Bush-Cheney used their offices and America???s resources in the pursuit of a private agenda to benefit Special Interests and a select few, who returned overt and covert support, substantial contributions and promises for after office (kickback) compensation, all while the average American was given only apathy, the costs and an abundance of subterfuge.

To those who wish to condone, ignore and cover over all of that, I say that in their own dishonesty they are co-responsible and co-conspirators, setting the stage for it to happen again. The value gained in exposing and condemning all of it isn???t only in having a justified apology to the American people and to the world but even more importantly in declaring that it will never happen again. To forgive is Godly but to ignore and encourage corruption is stupid and even criminal.

The Republican Party really needs to purge itself (if they don???t, the voters should) of the people and mentality that hide behind conservative rhetoric while deceptively pursuing self-indulgent goals that benefit only the few and then they need to become honestly, diligently and conscientiously concerned for and representative of all of the people. Maybe then what they have to say will once again have some credibility.

USA President is really naive and very stupid. Barack HUSSEIN Obama is the biggest threat to the security of these United States of America. His facist ideology and obsession with self adulation has made him a laughing stock around the world and he has demeaned the USA. Sorry folks buts the facts.
Vladimir Putin...KGB boss and President of Russia....uses torture all the time..he doesn't give a rats rear end if the US uses torture too.
Communist China uses torture all the time..they don't give a rats rear end if the USA has to use it for their best interests.
Cuba....no complaints from them , Nicaragua , Venezulan dictators couldn't care less , Europe , Great Britain...nobody else in the whole world cares if the USA uses torture in order to defend themselves....its war..in war there are no rules....ask Hitler...he used no rules....George S. Patton said to his troops ..." In battle , I'm not expecting the enemy to kill you because you are gonna kill all them sobs first ! " ...thats how war is defined and conducted but Muslim dummy Barack HUSSEIN Obama does not understand that concept. Ronald Reagan sent a squadron of F-16's to attack and kill the Libya dictator Khadafi....from that day Khadafi never bothered the States again and the world did not complain. History lesson for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.