The Lawyer and The Caterpillar

Hmmmmmm, Kosovo--Clinton?
Hmmmmmmmmmm, deregs on mortgages--Clinton signed the bill?
Hmmmmmmmm

I think its time to apply those non torture methods to those arrogant but incompetent bushies. This maybe will make
them more competent. Lets start with Cheney.

This tacic makes no sense. Many of these people come from areas so tough that we can hardly imagine what they???ve endured, let alone simulate it. Not to mention there are plenty of people in the States who endure torture on a regular basis (e.g., sexual, physical abuse) and never even tell anyone because they???re afraid. And we expect these suspected terrorists to give up secrets based on torture? Humans can withstand a lot of torture if they???re determined. Why go that route on the 1% chance we???ll get something, when there are so many other possible strategies that don't require inhumane treatment and don't set us up for retaliation?

There were few things in law and government that the right wing nut jobs in the Cheney/Bush administration did not screw up. They left behind one hell of a mess, part of it being the economic disaster that we are living through now.

Covering up the corruption and incompetence simply means that we will be living through more disasters in the future if the politicians are confident that there will be no exposure.

Another Cheney/Bush administration could destroy our democracy and better the lesser pain now than the greater pain later.

You know, it's funny...I don't see any evidence that the detainees had to make a choice between burning to death and jumping out of a window of a skyscraper. I don't see where any of them were sitting behind a desk and unexpectedly slammed into by an airplane. I don't see where any of them were forced to wade through the blood and carnage of their friends, family, and co-workers. I don't see where any of them were crushed as the building they were stuck in collapsed. Those acts seem to describe torture...I'm sure any one of the thousands of dead Americans would have much preferred that the terrorists tortured them with caterpillars.

Dear Former "intel figure"

Being a former special forces figure with more real world intel I cant help but laugh at the absurd posture of you and the whole premise about sharing the memos. Lets get a bit real for a moment. First releasing the memos does absolutely nothing!!!! Why... the information on our so called "secret" techniques is already out there. Since they were released in 1969... In case you didn't know... the CIA didn't just make something new for the war on terror. They reinvented what had already been done for over 20 years in the School of the Americas. Seven full volumes of manuals called Kurbark spell out all this info and much much more. So to say this pose a security problem like you and mr Hayden just said in public is complete B!@#$%^&%$# So fro someone who has actually tortured people...get a grip, get a brain, and shut up about crap you dont have a clue about. The intel community has never had any leverage. Thus we have never won anything, not southamerica, iraq, terror, communism....None has been won or will be won.

-former realworld doer

I was amazed at the lack of any sort of responsibility displayed by the author of this article. However I should refrain from succumbing to hyperbole, even if the author was unable to. In a democracy, people are supposed to behave responsibly. What was done to these terrorists went beyond justice and was firmly in the shadow of revenge. I completely dismiss any suggestion that these people "deserve it." Whatever they might deserve, we are a nation of laws, we are a just nation. Exceeding the limits of justice demeans us. Keeping this in context, just because a number of politicians told CIA operatives that it was OK to exact revenge does not make it just.

The reason I am aghast at the suggestions of the author of this article is that he seems to equate revenge with good human intelligence. If all the CIA is capable of is taking revenge after the fact, then we are better off without them. They are useless to us. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I was under the impression that the "risks" the CIA was supposed to take were to keep track of threats to the country before they materialized, not to take revenge on scoundrels.

Having been in the military, we were told that you were to obey "lawful" orders. It was your responsibility to know what "lawful" meant. So the excuse that "my superior told me so" was insufficient. I don't know what if any laws apply to these individuals, but just becasue a lawyer tells you you can does not mean you can.

It is a tragedy that the leaders of the most powerful nation on earth felt it necessary to stoop to such levels to fight a rag-tag bunch of knuckleheads that are Al Quaeda. Just imagine what license they would think they had if we were fighting a more dangerous adversary.

It amazes me that the Obama aura blinds the MSM to a huge contradiction in his actions. BHO is willing to kill pirates who were threatening, at most, one American life, when BHO would not sanction the use of waterboarding to save NYC from a dirty body or other WMD. So killing is ok, but using techniques that leave someone alive, techniques that can saves thousands, are prohibited. Just asking, so I hope that doesn't make me a Right Wing threat.

Are we allowed to ask Why? Or is that considered unpatriotic? Again the question is why are some Islamic people behaving so desperate?

First, the Bush administration refused to abandon land mines, fragmentation bombs or accept the supremacy of the international court of justice, now, the Obama administration issues a blank check for torture "in the wake of terror". Why the heck do Americans need to constantly mess up human rights declarations that could make this world a safer and more human place?

How many terroists did the Bush administration create. Many people hate another, but will not act out the hate unless given a reason. Many of the people in the Mid East who hated the U.S. would never have taken action until the Bush Administration gave them a reason.

How about this solution for those scrupulous upholders of human rights. We immediately transfer the "alleged Jihadists" to the U.S.prison system. After Bubba and his friends beat the cr@ap out of them, cut them with an improvised knife, or gang rape them, they might be more willing to cooperate.

Ask why are radical Islamic factions so upset? And for the love of truth, lets not go on and on about it being indicative of the religion, cause all religions are guilty ) Why would some Islamic people be so upset that they would do some desperate acts? Why?