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A new book says we're in a narcissism epidemic. Why you're not so special.

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  • Posted By: CoastalGal @ 06/20/2009 12:15:38 PM

    As a mother of 1 teen and a 25 yr. old, bravo Raina Kelley!!!!!!!!!! This self entitlement attitude is not only college age, these kids learn this behavior from the time they come out of the womb and iv'e seen it in the Jr. high and high schools. I try very hard to let my kids know to " get over yourselves" and respect, priveledge, and such is earned and not a given right just because you walk this earth. Again, thank you.

  • Posted By: Eric C @ 06/13/2009 4:51:13 AM

    What should we call this generation? The Me generation? nope, taken. What about the greed decade? nope, also taken. How about we call ourselves, ironically, the Greatest generation?

  • Posted By: balancedpsych @ 05/25/2009 5:46:33 AM

    Tempest in a Teapot?
    The primary scientific evidence for the existence of an ???epidemic of narcissism??? involves changes over time (1979 to 2006) in college student???s scores on the Narcissistic Personality Inventory. However, there is ongoing debate in the psychological literature concerning the merit of this evidence (for a summary, see www.balancedpsych.com).
    Given this debate, what remains is loads of anecdotal evidence based on selected segments of the population. It makes for fun and interesting reading, but I???ve been teaching at the college level for 35 years, and I???m not at all convinced that there really is an epidemic of narcissism.

  • Posted By: Worried_for_the_Future @ 05/23/2009 12:19:47 AM

    Thank you Raina Kelley!

    I totally agree with what you have to say. As a twenty six year old teacher I am currently nontenured. We are pretty much told not to make waves, let the parents get their way, and to watch how we address the children. Generally I'm scared to write comment on my kids papers and projects because they will fight their grade. Even if their work looks like they did it in the bus into school that morning. Board of Education members who have their kids in the system have their kid's teacher's jobs in their hands. It does not matter if you have your Masters in Education, your professional opinion means nothing!

    This country is in sorry shape. As a history major, and a social studies teacher I can see the trends that develope through out history. Currently the 80s teens are the parents of the present generation. Their parents were the hippies of the sixties. Through the passage of time from the hippies to the 80s now to the present generation, respect for the gift of education has been lost. All one has to do is tune into the Disney channel and view the way the kids talk to the adults and how dumb the adults act to understand the average teen's attitude.

    Thank God for the 10 - 15% of students who are naturally smart and well behavied. They will keep our country afloat as China and India take over the global economy.

  • Posted By: moshi @ 05/12/2009 3:57:39 PM

    Dear whocares44, obviously you're not a believer but let the rest of us mind our own business, the author only used religion as an example. Regarding waht you say, it is, indeed, a problem of the parents of the teenagers that think the world spins arround because of them and to serve them (or shal I say YOU?). I'm 31 y.o. man from Mexico City and we have the same problem with young people, my advice: Let you, teenagers, face the real life instead of protect you in your "pink bubble" of wellnes, wealth and nonsens spending. So, if you want to do something, do some "social" work with your mates and face the world, instead of criticize religions (despite the power they have, the big religions are a source of reall wellness, humility and a help-to-others philosophy). Take care, and grow up my friend....

    • Posted By: whocares44 @ 05/16/2009 3:54:14 PM

      Oh and I only talked about religion because Mikersdrummer was pushing his opinion using it. Sorry if I did hurt you when I said that there is not god. Even if I'm not a believer, I do respect believers. The only people I don't respect and often get mad at are those who push their opinion using religious principles to make their point look better. If god does really exist, he is not somebody/something to use to make a point.

    • Posted By: whocares44 @ 05/16/2009 3:34:43 PM

      Moshi, I was replying to Mikersdrummer who failled to see that if such thing was happening, it wasn't because of the teens and young adults concerned by the "generation me"; but because of the generation of the 30-something 40-something. A generation that fails to remind the kids that they aren't special at all like the mother of the author of this article did when she was still a teenager/young adult.
      Somehow the reply got messed up and it ended up as a post on the top page. I wasn't questioning the point of view of the author of this article at all because she describes the Narcissism pandemic in North America very well.

  • Posted By: moshi @ 05/12/2009 3:49:41 PM

    Dear whocares44, it's amazing how you put religion in your statement, the author only used it as an example but I respect your opinion of God, you are as free as all the other people to think whatever you want about God. In any case I'm 31 years old from Mexico city and the source of the problem are, indeed, the parents of the teenagers that are the "ME" generation, but there should be a point when they (or shall I say you) realize whenever things are wrong, that idea Egocentrism is wrong, no matter what. So, if you want to say something, leave God out of it and help your mates to be better persons.

  • Posted By: westhemess82 @ 04/22/2009 11:19:29 AM

    This article was also probably written 100 years ago by someone else. Every elder generation has some complaint about the current one. I???m from the beginning of GEN Y and surely believe we are smarter (not that we know more just are able to learn more quickly and take a better perspective on things) then previous ones. We've seen how corporations have taking away any continuity in our parent???s lives with little remorse in the name of tiny profits. We have seen the greedy get richer and say it was "hard work". We see through the games of the politicians that our parents and other elders fell for twice with George W. The square life our parents attempted to live was phony and disincentive and we saw that. It is said we are one of the most greedy and self centered generation of them all but I actually believe we do care, we just don't like to pretend we do like prior generation. We don???t believe that we should have take s**t from a customer when we're making 10/hr, we believe that respect is mutual not just something you earn by being alive a long time and are allowed to throw it in the face of everyone younger. We will be fine; I think you'll find we are not the narcissism generation but the "real" generation; the generation who is going to dig through all bulls**t of prior generations get rid of it and rebuild a solid foundation on truths and ethics. Two things our previous generations forgot about???..

    • Posted By: Mikersdrummer @ 04/22/2009 1:03:56 PM

      Your reply to this article obviously shows your age! I also used to think that my generation had all of the answers. But, I looked back to history just since the 60's and we have seen a correlation between God and the principles of our founding fathers being surgically taken out of our society and the results are: Higher crime, drugs, greed, economic woes, debt, selfishness, narcissism, corruption in government, AIDS, STD's, etc. Yea, looks like "you will do fine." You also say that the past generations were phony and you are "honest." Is that why your generation has to have plastic surgery, new cars, video games, electronic toys, etc.? You know, we are coming to a point that you will be greatful just to have any job at all, and I grew up where "the customer was always right." Your generation might have to take a little abuse in order to feed your family. Do you even have one to know what responsibility is? Oh, that's right!, your generation won't even get married, let alone have children and stay married when the going gets tough! I feel so secure that you will do "fine." Yes our previous generations had the priciples to fight evil and most in your generation don't have the guts to fight against an enemy that attackes our country and kills several thousand people on 911! And you know, I am even more of a "square" than my parents were! Why? Because I looked back to the past and I am now even more conservative than they were because the real problem is that we don't learn from the past. Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it! Mark these words! This country is ready from judgement from the God of this universe, whose principles the founding fathers ("squares") believed in and provided the freedom that your generation now enjoys! Were the recent past generations right in all things? No! But, they are a lot more responsible than the "principles" I see this generation proposing! Some would say that we are now coming into the "age of aquarius" but I think we are all in for a rude awakening! One last thing, using expletives sure makes you sound educated and intelligent! Oh, I forgot, that is now acceptable in this present generation!

      • Posted By: whocares44 @ 05/10/2009 4:07:20 AM

        Obviously neither of you and the person you're replying to are grounded and know what responsibility means. You blame him for comparing a generation to another, just like you did when you were younger and wrote in your reply; but yet you fail to recognize that you're trying to make your generation look good. If such thing as the generation "Me" is happening right now, it's not because of the current generation, but because of the previous generations. Who's making and deciding what will he shown on T.V or not? It's not the 15-or-so years old you're replying to, but people from your generation. Don't throw religion in it, we all know that most religions are based on writing made with the only purpose to have power over the general masses. Get used to it, THERE IS NO GOD AND THERE NEVER WAS ONE.

      • Posted By: ken1840 @ 04/22/2009 2:53:54 PM

        HAHAHAHAHA.
        Re-read your post. All of the things that you are disgusted with are things that YOUR generation created, and also the LARGEST CONSUMER of.

        This country is ready from judgement from the God of this universe???????
        You are deranged. So deranged you can't even correctly convey your lunacies. Come live in reality.

        Our country will be great again, now that we have started living in reality, instead of this nutbars fear based, end-of-days mumbo jumbo.

        • Posted By: Mikersdrummer @ 04/22/2009 4:40:30 PM

          The liberal left always resorts to petty name calling instead of addressing the issues! Too bad that you could not state why I am deranged! How about some of the other "deranged" people that believe in God like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, General Patton, Issac Newton, Martin Luther King Jr., Winston Churchill, and on and on and on. If you knew anything about history you would know that did judge Sodom and Gommorah and other nations, but all you resort to is name calling. Seems like I hit a nerve?

          • Posted By: jb9393 @ 04/24/2009 9:26:31 AM

            It seems a bit narcissistic to believe that God cares that much about this country...

          • Posted By: jb9393 @ 04/24/2009 9:26:06 AM

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          • Posted By: jb9393 @ 04/24/2009 9:24:55 AM

            It seems a bit narcissistic to believe that God cares that much about this country...

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    • Posted By: brwnntwn @ 04/22/2009 11:56:31 AM

      Your comments sound an AWFUL lot like communism in the making. bewar, young westhemess82 - you are sliding down a slippery slope! It is your "me, me me" generation that is going to bring this country down.

      • Posted By: saturnina @ 04/22/2009 12:03:53 PM

        I think instead maybe you have training in the right-wing hysteria department.

        • Posted By: brwnntwn @ 04/22/2009 1:47:17 PM

          OH no! I am striclty middle of the road/fence - there is even a groove where my BF Bottom rests. I am neither right nor left - just in the middle. Pretty boring but that's me!

          • Posted By: ken1840 @ 04/22/2009 2:49:45 PM

            Why are you neither right nor left. I find that people who say this have no idea what they are talking about.

            Why don't you pick up a book and learn what the issues are about, and join in on our democracy?

            Your whole slippery slope argument is nonsense. We have socialized police departments, socialized fire department, socialized water treatment facilities. You're a moron.

            You definitely do have right-wing hysteria syndrome, or you are ignorant. Get an education and then start to at least have a valid opinion, not one based on Fox 'News' talking points.

            • Posted By: workerbee6429 @ 04/24/2009 9:00:25 AM

              your comments bely your bias - just because someone listens to FoxNews does not mean their beliefs are any less valid than your own. This is still America, and conservatives have just as much right to free speech as the left-wing media.

            • Posted By: Mikersdrummer @ 04/22/2009 5:19:35 PM

              Again Ken, if anyone dissagrees with you, you resort to name-calling. Why don't you confront the truth of history! I'm waiting!

              • Posted By: saturnina @ 04/23/2009 9:06:36 AM

                People can be in the middle, it doesn't necessarily mean they can't think for themselves. Sometimes I think THEY'RE the sane ones...however, the communist comment does sound like it's had some Fox News influence.

        • Posted By: Liam McPoyle @ 04/22/2009 3:09:48 PM

          To be honest each generation has been steadily getting more self centered for 60 years. Right wing or left wing is just an empty label anymore. The lack of National unity and purpose is a major cause of self centered behavior. Us gen X'er's were worse than our parents, and it's just getting worse. No one is omnipotent, we are all just people with the flaws that come with it. It takes a rare person of any age to accept the fact that in 100 years no one will care or remember what we did for ourselves. But the few that do for the many, or their Country, or their world may be remembered. Maybe.

    • Posted By: GenRealist80 @ 04/22/2009 11:58:10 AM

      Seriously? You cannot even write, or use grammar/spelling check for that matter...that's why you will take S%^& for the 10/hr you'll get paid waiting tables. Get real or STFU...

      • Posted By: Mikersdrummer @ 04/22/2009 5:27:55 PM

        I probably make much more money than you do and again, all people do is address petty, secondary issues and not the salient points in question!

    • Posted By: hudsonhawk @ 04/22/2009 11:32:28 AM

      Well genious, learn to spell first, or at least proof read it before sending!

      • Posted By: tabbycat @ 04/22/2009 11:50:35 AM

        I think you may want to consider taking you own advice, hudson. Genious = genius.

      • Posted By: tabbycat @ 04/22/2009 11:49:21 AM

        Ummmm, hudsonhawk, you may want to take your own advice. Genious = genius.

        • Posted By: H2Oh! @ 04/22/2009 12:44:42 PM

          exactly whats wrong with this generation tabby cat. too pompous while correcting hudsonhawks common mistake, that you didn't even notice you didn't conjugate the word you correctly. I guess it's all about you, isn't it.

        • Posted By: H2Oh! @ 04/22/2009 12:44:12 PM

          exactly whats wrong with this generation tabby cat. too pompous while correcting hudsonhawks common mistake, that you didn't even notice you didn't conjugate the word you correctly. I guess it's all about you, isn't it.

        • Posted By: H2Oh! @ 04/22/2009 12:40:04 PM

          no, it is spelled genious. that's exactly what this article points out. too smart, and too important (being sarcastic here) to notice even when you make a mistake.

    • Posted By: Babs963 @ 04/22/2009 11:32:40 AM

      well, I think we're all waiting .... the last narcissistic generation was in the 1920's and then came the great depression.

  • Posted By: LorigB @ 05/08/2009 3:24:36 PM

    Love the article...totally agree. I'm actually working on a piece on how unhealthy social networking sites are psychologically, only promoting narcissistic ego-centricism. A lot of this is sociocultural too, though...if the tweens of America traveled a bit more they'd see how drastically different other coutries are and might humble themselves a bit, which in my opinion is much needed for this generation.
    Very well done, hope many get a chance to read it. By the way, I'm 26 myself.

  • Posted By: 0rion16 @ 04/24/2009 4:25:08 PM

    I was moderately offended by this untill I realized her article is based on essentially nothing;
    "Gorged on a diet of grade inflation, constant praise and materialistic entitlement"
    Who's grades are being inflated? Certainly not mine, I worked my ass off for my 3.0 and my degree. What constant praise, what materialistic entitlement? Prove it...Ive had a steady job since I was 13, and I'm not alone.

    "six-figure sweet-16 parties and plastic surgery for graduation presents" This only happens on MTV and maybe with the richest 5%, if even. You know who that leaves out? The other 95% of my generation.

    "That 30 percent of college students agree with the statement: 'If I show up to every class, I deserve at least a B'? "
    And now for the other 60%, aka the majority, they believe what exactly?

    "residential advisers at Southern lament students disregarding curfews, playing dance music until 3 a.m"
    Did your generation, the one that brought us Animal House, never throw a party? I suddenly have a much higher opinion of my generation for their creative ability in inventing the party.

    "failed marriages, abusive working environments and billion-dollar Ponzi schemes. "
    My generation is mostly still to young to be married, and largely single; that data represents older generations. These abusive work environments are run by whom? My gen is still entry level. Finally, How old was Bernie? another commenter mentioned he was born before WWII. Whom did he rip off? Most of them were people who are not a part of the born after 1980 crowd.

    Terrel Owens is roughly 30-35, Donald trump is...very old, again both are not of my generation.

    Multimillion dollar bonus? Really? I make 10.50 an hour. Entry level does not come with a bonus, instead it has long hours and poor pay.

    "Treating the whole world as if it works for you doesn't suggest you're special, it means you're an ass." Yes thats true, but guess whats also true: Treating the world as if you are above it, dosent mean you are, it means you are an egotistical ass.

    • Posted By: SophiasMercy @ 05/03/2009 10:12:30 PM

      Love it! Thank you. I think people outside of our generation forget what exactly we've been taught and what we are really up against... a tyrannical monster put in place by people who just wanted to make as much money as the could as quickly as possible... or, Baby Boomers is the term I think we use for them. You know how our parents told us about "when people say bad stuff about you, they're really talking about themselves"? Case in point... a Generation that has caused some major problems is blaming their lack of a legacy on us. Laughable.

  • Posted By: scottconnolly55 @ 05/01/2009 6:35:00 PM

    I see. You've brilliant condemned this generation as unliveably narcissicistic, mostly for the crime of . . . failing to live up to your own high standards. Was this meant to be an ironic piece?

    And the article - meh? You've put together a mishmash of quote from unnamed subjects and married them to breakthtaking faulty logic. ". . . can range from discorteous . . . to billion dollar Ponzi schemes." Because the ill-actions of this generation are deeply at fault for the behaviour of people like Bernie Madoff, a man born in 1938, serving millionaire clients who are probably a fair ways out of college.

  • Posted By: ezreader21 @ 04/28/2009 12:33:16 PM

    Give me a break! Don???t mean to sound too harsh, but isn???t it a given that all protagonists in novels ???struggle to be good.??? Isn???t that why we read, and why we identify with them to begin with since we, too, do the same? Duh. So for someone to even consider them self to be unique or special because they are trying to do the right thing is just b.s. since that???s what we all do. It???s absolutely normal and average. However, what???s not is for someone to think that they were destined for a beauty and stature completely impossible for their loved ones to comprehend. It???s completely bizarre. Who says such a thing??!! Who even thinks such a thing?!! Perhaps someone who???s them self narcissistic? Oh, and to point out a compliment that you received like ???pretty girls are a dime a dozen," in such a back-handed way is even worse. Come on!!

  • Posted By: ezreader21 @ 04/28/2009 12:32:50 PM

    Give me a break! Don???t mean to sound too harsh, but isn???t it a given that all protagonists in novels ???struggle to be good.??? Isn???t that why we read, and why we identify with them to begin with since we, too, do the same? Duh. So for someone to even consider them self to be unique or special because they are trying to do the right thing is just b.s. since that???s what we all do. It???s absolutely normal and average. However, what???s not is for someone to think that they were destined for a beauty and stature completely impossible for their loved ones to comprehend. It???s completely bizarre. Who says such a thing??!! Who even thinks such a thing?!! Perhaps someone who???s them self narcissistic? Oh, and to point out a compliment that you received like ???pretty girls are a dime a dozen," in such a back-handed way is even worse. Come on!!

  • Posted By: Sun of Justice @ 04/25/2009 2:14:03 PM

    This country / continent is founded on the genocide of indigenous peoples your forefathers were such self righteous Christians, they were the ultimate combination of narcissism and evil, they committed a crime against humanity and justice has not been served. Christianity / Catholic Church is the oil that greases the souls and conscious of greedy politicians and corporations which the next generation aspires to take over. Just ask any republican or any politician what it means to be human and out will spew this narcissistic evil of self righteousness. We live in a system where right is wrong and wrong is left and other subliminal messages adding to this backwards place of insanity. So go Crazy man you deserve it. Now that???s justice.

  • Posted By: heroldj @ 04/24/2009 3:58:38 PM

    "you just sound like an old man yelling "damn those crazy kids!" -joewoah

    That's exactly what you sound like, claiming that "I don't even think anyone from this generation would even be smart enough to pull off such a scheme. " You're talking about a generation of young Americans that are literally taken from the teet, and placed in front of a computer. Before they're even out of elementary school, they're more proficient with both old and new technology than 95% of older generations who have received years of formalized training. Don't knock this generation before they even bloom- there's a very good chance you'll end up working for one of them.

    • Posted By: fryeness @ 04/25/2009 1:47:43 PM

      I have to laugh at the absurd notion that computers and the Internet are mysterious new developments only kids understand.

  • Posted By: jayaiyaaya @ 04/25/2009 3:31:07 AM

    where do you get the confidence to speak so bold? you lie to yourself, that what you say is relevant to anyone other than the rich and coddled such as yourself. "look in the mirror, keep on shinin'"...narcissist...usurper

  • Posted By: Phoenixxx @ 04/24/2009 7:49:13 PM

    to the president of T.I.N.A. --

    I can understand your interest at this time in your life in squeezing as much out of life as you can in focussing on what makes you happy. I look at that as part of healthy narcissistic coping mechanisms. As the survivor of an abusive relationship with a true Narcissist, however, I want to emphasize that what you are talking about, and what it REALLY means to be a narcissist are two vastly different things. Redefine your life and your own paradigm all you want, there is no better time to be empowered than now, no better person to love you than yourself.

    But please dont try to redefine the meaning of Narcissist. It is in reality a hopeless and never-ending starvation for affirmation by sucking the goodness out of other people, and I dont believe thats who you or your girlfriends are as human beings. Narcissists leave a path of destruction and broken people behind them. They are most often pathological liars, manipulators, conmen, betrayers of people's goodfaith, they charm their ways into all forms of taking rather than giving.

    Flight attendants in telling mothers to place oxygen masks on themselves before placing them on their children increase the possibility of saving the lives of both mother and child. Thats not narcissistic. A Narcissist would reach over and grab the oxygen mask for herself while depriving it from passengers like you and push you away as you struggle for your own life and the life of your child.

    Two VASTLY different things.

    So please, think of the MANY survivors like me who know all too well, the ugliness, destruction and abusiveness of the real word when you use it for your support group of women friends.

    Maybe think of doing some fundraising for your local womens shelter, where so many survivors of narcissistic abuse end up?

    And thank your lucky stars you dont have appeared to have had to live with a spouse or a parent that was truly a Narcissist.

  • Posted By: nickyskye @ 04/24/2009 4:26:10 PM

    oops I note my comment should have been addressed to the author of the article, who is Raina Kelley and the book by Jean Twenge and W. Keith Campbell, which I presume is on the same topic as Christopher Lasch's excellent book, "The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations".

  • Posted By: nickyskye @ 04/24/2009 4:21:14 PM

    Sarah Kliff, while I commend your commenting on the current narcissistic society, I think you are confounding vanity, selfishness, the cult of celebrity, overblown self-worth and pathological narcissism (NPD), which is an emotional illness, all pervasive and not treatable with doses of humility, diminished finances or attempts to put others first. This topic was written about brilliantly in "The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations, a 1979 book by the cultural historian Christopher Lasch (1932 - 1994) explores the roots and ramifications of the normalizing of pathological narcissism in 20th century American culture using psychological, cultural, artistic and historical synthesis."

    Mere self-centeredness or lack of consideration for others in children who have been badly parented are ugly traits but a person who is emotionally healthy can change that narrow perspective, become fully empathy endowed, caring and grounded. A person with narcissistic personality disorder however is stuck that way, for life. It's not a healable disorder and society needs to learn to protect itself from those who have it, may be very accomplished in some ways but brutally destructive and predatory in others.

    If narcissistic young adults have children they will likely breed raging narcissists, truly disordered children, who will wreak havoc on the world. Healthier parenting is essential for a workable future of the world.

  • Posted By: nickyskye @ 04/24/2009 4:20:12 PM

    Sarah Kliff, while I commend your commenting on the current narcissistic society, I think you are confounding vanity, selfishness, the cult of celebrity, overblown self-worth and pathological narcissism (NPD), which is an emotional illness, all pervasive and not treatable with doses of humility, diminished finances or attempts to put others first. This topic was written about brilliantly in "The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations, a 1979 book by the cultural historian Christopher Lasch (1932 - 1994) explores the roots and ramifications of the normalizing of pathological narcissism in 20th century American culture using psychological, cultural, artistic and historical synthesis."

    Mere self-centeredness or lack of consideration for others in children who have been badly parented are ugly traits but a person who is emotionally healthy can change that narrow perspective, become fully empathy endowed, caring and grounded. A person with narcissistic personality disorder however is stuck that way, for life. It's not a healable disorder and society needs to learn to protect itself from those who have it, may be very accomplished in some ways but brutally destructive and predatory in others.

    If narcissistic young adults have children they will likely breed raging narcissists, truly disordered children, who will wreak havoc on the world. Healthier parenting is essential for a workable future of the world.

  • Posted By: joewoah @ 04/24/2009 2:52:37 PM

    It's not really fair to compare this generation with ponzi schemes... Madoff was born before WW2. In fact, I don't even think anyone from this generation would even be smart enough to pull off such a scheme. In any case failed marriages are a problem in every generation and I can think of many generations prior to this one where working environments were far more abusive than they are today. At most we can call this a personality aesthetic issue, but without hard evidence of what this narcissism is actually causing, you just sound like an old man yelling "damn those crazy kids!" -- of course I'm sure the explanation is in the book you're trying to sell.

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