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  • Posted By: Not duped by Dems @ 04/22/2009 11:38:27 AM

    Excellent article and dead on! Couldn't be more true - thanks to parents reared in the 50's and 60's (anti-social; it's all about me; if it feels good, do it!) and the liberal education system in this country. No accountability. What the 60's wrought on us was the beginning of the decline of this country's resolve, moral standards, and social standards.
    --- From someone raised effectively in the 60's

    • Posted By: Saggia1 @ 04/22/2009 1:12:56 PM

      It all depends on your perspective...frankly, it is the "I got mine, so screw you and yours" attitude of the right wing conservative movement that has had such a detrimental effect and has produced an entire culture (not just the younger generation) of narcissistic behavior. Conservatives and right wing fanatics who believe they are better, more moral,whatever than anyone who doesn't look, feel, believe and act exactly as they do, and who feel no sense of compassion or empathy for anyone. Arrogantly believing that everyone has had the same opportunities that they had, never comprehending that others may have a completely different experience and that people are different than they are, and that is NOT a bad thing, or an immoral thing. That there is a difference between having compassion for others and just giving away everything is something these folks don't get - they think any kind of public charity is just a grab by the "undeserving," because they had to work to get everything they have and even if they have way, way, way more than they'll ever need why should they have to help anyone else. Besides, since we're MORE..more moral, more righteous, more saved, more sensible, more whatever egocentric delusion they're spewing at any given time...why shouldn't they have MORE, be MORE, or have their opinions count MORE than anyone else?

      We have become a mean, discourteous, uncaring culture, and THAT is the result of the incompassionate, zenophobic, monolithic conservative movement. Perhaps the 50's and 60's resulted in a cultural swing too far to the left, but it is the 80's and 90's that have swung us so far in back to the right that some people can't even see the middle anymore. If things follow the historical path, and if we do so before we self-destruct, then things will eventually swing back towards the center and hopefully, we can hold our head up again as a culture and be proud of who we are while still having compassion, understanding and appreciation for people's differences.

      You may consider yourself Not duped by Dems, but indeed, it would seem you have been duped by self-serving Cons.

  • Posted By: papajon0s1 @ 04/22/2009 10:42:31 AM

    Ok you had until this line:

    "Pastors preach of a Jesus that wants us to be rich"

    Huh? Rich in the love of God, yup. Rich as is material wealth? Uh, not so much. Give to Obama what is Obama's and give to the Lord what is the Lord's. ...oops did I say Obama? ha ha... I meant Pelosi... er.. Ceasar yeah.. sorry, Ceasar! Yeah that's how th eline goes I think... :)

    Outside of that I kinda agree with your thoughts here. Might I suggest to you'all young folks to pull up your damn pants as a first step! I don't care how cute your buns of steel are, I don't wanna see 'em!

    • Posted By: TINA07302 @ 04/22/2009 12:09:31 PM

      Actually, I am surprised she did not mention the book of Genesis. I remember a preacher condemning women for the downfall for all mankind, ever since Eve encouraged Adam to eat from the tree of knowledge...This made me feel awful as a woman and as a humane being.

      Such statements, helped me to walk away from unhealthy environments that chipped away my ego, and then I was able to achieve true happiness.

      Teresa Flores,
      President of The International Narcissistic Association, T.I.N.A.
      We have a funny name, but we are serious about nonprofit.

      • Posted By: DonovansMommy0710 @ 04/22/2009 12:24:30 PM

        the reference to eve is a historicaly debatable "fact" you take things WAY too personally if that hurt you as a woman and as a human being. Even so, because it hurt you, you walk away from it and shun anything that will make you examine yourself and your attitude and behaivors? Ya ok, that's REALLY healthy.

        • Posted By: TINA07302 @ 04/22/2009 12:40:03 PM

          Sorry, if I offended you. But you may have misunderstood. The church I was a part of was really a negative environment. I am not saying it is this way in all churches. But I took the time to read the entire bible and i have many examples that led me to my decision. I found my purpose in life, which is to live a happy life.

          • Posted By: DonovansMommy0710 @ 04/22/2009 12:56:23 PM

            If anyone can relate to a negative church environment it's me, I was raised Free Will Baptist, which is extremely contradictory in their name and belief system. Women are given very nagative perceptions, and rarely allowed free will in action or thought. Still I emerged from this with more of a healthy attitude than "I will live a happy life" I think it should me more of a think like " I will live a happy life while helping others and not convincing myself that I am the center" THAT is the essential difference that I want to point out.

            • Posted By: TINA07302 @ 04/22/2009 1:10:21 PM

              We must agree to disagree. We just have different philosophies. I use the "flight attendant" philosophy, which is: In an emergency, put on your air mask on first, before helping your neighbor put on their air mask.

              But it has been fun sharing a dialog with you, DonovansMommy0710.

              ???To say 'I love you' one must first be able to say the 'I.'???, Favorite Quote, Ayn Rand

              Enjoy the rest of your day.

    • Posted By: coloboyz @ 04/22/2009 12:29:54 PM

      Joel Osteen, preacher of the Lakewood Church and bestselling author, who teaches "prosperity gospel" - apparently, God wants everyone to be rich monetarily. They also use God as their personal savior and, apparently, now personal valet as well. From his new book: "He is not shy about calling on the Lord. He writes of praying for a winning basket in a basketball game, and then sinking it; and even of circling a parking lot, praying for a space, and then finding it. "Better yet," he writes, "it was the premier spot in that parking lot." "

      • Posted By: jackeroe @ 04/22/2009 12:52:09 PM

        I'm sorry, but I really tired of folks misquoting things they don't attempt to understand. For example, many people like to quote: "Money is the root of all evil" from the Bible. No it's not. The real quote is "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil." (1Timothy 6:10) Without money how could we feed the hungry or help build housing or care for the sick? What Joel Osteen and many other preachers are trying to do is to help Christians get out of that poor-man mentality that has pervaded Christianity for centuries. We should aspire to be blessed (in a balanced non cutthroat way) so that we can BE a blessing.

    • Posted By: DonovansMommy0710 @ 04/22/2009 12:17:00 PM

      did you ever think that they were referring to the pastors that DO imply a material wealth?

  • Posted By: nmitchell @ 04/20/2009 8:54:25 AM

    As a high school teacher of advanced students, the alleged "good kids", I will affirm that this is true as my collegues and I have discussed this very thing on numerous occasions in recent years. (I am only 29, and can also attest that I have seen this grow in my 7 years as an educator.) Where parents used to team with teachers when a student plagiarised a paper, more and more parents will defend that, all evidence to the contrary, that their child did "no such thing" or simply justify that their student did it because they had too much homework. When faced with consequences for their actions in this case, the customary policy is to lose credit, and parents often want to argue that "they should get credit because they made an effort to turn SOMETHING in" (even if it wasn't their own seems to be a side note).

    Parents have become enablers who are more concerned with not hurting their child's feelings than teaching ethics, responsiblity, and the value of hard work. Those of us in education who refuse to give in to the helicopter parents who battle for undeserved grades and wheedling their kids out of consequences for bad behavior are fighting a losing battle.

    While the economy has left many with devastating circumstances for many people whose comfortable lifestyles have been jeapardized or altered drastically, I am not willing to say that this isn't perhaps an opportunity for American culture to have the much needed serving of Humble Pie that has been missing from our collective cultural menu for the last 20 years.

    • Posted By: tallula_g @ 04/22/2009 1:09:01 PM

      Totally agree with nmitchell. My sister is a first grade teacher and the parents are the same. They think it's cute when their children act up and are rude. She has had parent's come in and yell at the principal about her for putting a student on the wall for 2 minutes! When I was in school we had paddles hanging in every classroom and we knew that there would be a punishment when we did something wrong. I'll tell you what it kept me in line. The kids of this generation scare the h*** out of me! I am expecting right now and I'm terrified for this child. What kind of world will they grow up in?

  • Posted By: DutchieV @ 04/22/2009 12:39:58 PM

    As a mother of an 19 yo, who has discovered a lot of spoiled brats in college this year--it is all in how you raise your own children.Even when you try to humble them and teach them to think of others, they are surrounded by a narcissistic environment promoted by the media. As the eldest of 5 kids she constantly longed for things we just could not give her. She did have some of the "latest fashion" but NOT a closet full. She got a second hand car and NOT a BMW. Even with what she did receive, yes the REAL world has been an eye opener for her. The best cure for a spoiled teen is to give them a MODEST college budget and let them fend for themselves and DO NOT bail them out when their ANTISOCIAL mouth and behavior gets them in trouble.

    • Posted By: brwnntwn @ 04/22/2009 1:07:24 PM

      She got a CAR! Sheesh. My children have to get their cars the old fashioned way - they buy them themselves. Also must be able to pay for their own auto insurance before they can get their liscense. With great priviledge comes great responsibility.

  • Posted By: inquisitivegirl @ 04/22/2009 1:05:21 PM

    I have thought about the fact that women are spending 10k on a wedding dress, 30k on their 16 year olds birthday parties and see that my generation does have an issue. No one thinks of others and when they do they feel as though they are getting thrown under the bus. I think we all need to stop thinking about ourselves and start think about what others are going through... therefore 3 words for you all PAY IT FORWARD

  • Posted By: Doug Graham @ 04/22/2009 1:03:21 PM

    Maybe I???m way off the mark by thinking this but doesn???t every generation think they???re the best generation? Actually no, that???s wrong it was the boomer generation that actually labeled themselves the best generation the golden generation and other egregious titles like that. As for the younger generation they are better. they come home from school and set up small web based businesses in their spare time then get angry at us when we crash the computer... then they fix the computer. They have every right to have a little bit of ego they will surpass us and their children will surpass them. This article and this book it spoke about simply sound like the rant of an angry housewife whose kids never call or write or visit.

  • Posted By: Doug Graham @ 04/22/2009 1:01:09 PM

    Maybe I???m way off the mark by thinking this but doesn???t every generation think they???re the best generation? Actually no, that???s wrong it was the boomer generation that actually labeled themselves the best generation the golden generation and other egregious titles like that. As for the younger generation they are better. they come home from school and set up small web based businesses in their spare time then get angry at us when we crash the computer... then they fix the computer. They have every right to have a little bit of ego they will surpass us and their children will surpass them. This article and this book it spoke about simply sound like the rant of an angry housewife whose kids never call or write or visit.

  • Posted By: Doug Graham @ 04/22/2009 1:00:45 PM

    Maybe I???m way off the mark by thinking this but doesn???t every generation think they???re the best generation? Actually no, that???s wrong it was the boomer generation that actually labeled themselves the best generation the golden generation and other egregious titles like that. As for the younger generation they are better. they come home from school and set up small web based businesses in their spare time then get angry at us when we crash the computer... then they fix the computer. They have every right to have a little bit of ego they will surpass us and their children will surpass them. This article and this book it spoke about simply sound like the rant of an angry housewife whose kids never call or write or visit.

  • Posted By: laurelcrowned14 @ 04/22/2009 1:00:32 PM

    You say that narcissism leads to Ponzi schemes... but I'm in college, and I'm pretty sure none of my fellow millennials have stolen $50 billion recently. The baby boomers, children whose parents survived the Depression and so did not want them to do without, are the selfish ones. They are the CEOs who steal and cheat, the politicians who ignore their responisibility to the American people.

    As to your mention of Narcissistic Personality Disorder... My father (who is in his 60s) had been diagnosed with NDP. It does not come from having high self-esteem. It is a personality disorder which alters the way the person thinks, most times for good. It is NOT just about being self-centered.

    I agree that some in my generation are selfish, that grade inflating does happen, that parents do coddle their children. However, these extreme people are the minority. The rest of us are just as disgusted with them as anyone else. Do not stereotype everyone of a certain generation based on the fringe.

  • Posted By: inquisitivegirl @ 04/22/2009 12:59:52 PM

    three words.... PAY IT FORWARD

  • Posted By: jaxtr @ 04/22/2009 12:46:35 PM

    Having spent four years in a marriage to a man diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder its a lot more than being self centred and arrogant. Narcissism at its extreme of NPD produces people who are very damaging to those living them. They indluge in mind games and emotional manipulations to maintain their power. They so lack empathy their close ones are just tools for their satisfaction and are treated with a disregard so strong it results in emotional trauma. Often charasmatic and charming to get their own way they are users of the first order with no morals or principles.
    Jackie

    • Posted By: brwnntwn @ 04/22/2009 12:58:13 PM

      OMG! you are talking about my husband - i think you may have just saved me. Serioulsy. I had no idea there was such a dissorder!

    • Posted By: saturnina @ 04/22/2009 12:50:22 PM

      I don't think we're really talking NPD here though, it's just narcissistic tendencies.

  • Posted By: christigirl82 @ 04/22/2009 10:06:30 AM

    This is the most s**t that i have ever read. People who perceive others especially christians to be narcist are evidently underachievors who are unsatisfied with what they have gained in this life. Its no ones fault but your own, you can never get anything without giving something, sacrifice is inevitable and no one succeeds in this life by depriving or devaluing themselves for others. The result will be dissapointing because treating others well does not guarantee that you will be treated well. Get real, if you don't stand up for yourself, you will be taken advantage of! I am a die hard christian and i beleive this is exactly what happened to Jesus. He is the King of Kings, but he devalued himself to a mere a carpenter's son to be able to please others. Did that work with you people, he was the perfect example of self sacrifice and look what this world did to him. No one can convince me that devaluing yourself makes you a better person toward others. Being good to others is a choice, some people choose not to for their own reasons not because they were brought up or taught to love themselves. People who agree with the author of this article to be manipulative. They want people to treat them well and be courteous and all that, but are they going to return those gestures or take advantage of a selfless person!!!!

    • Posted By: Servant2112 @ 04/22/2009 12:57:43 PM

      As a Christian, you would then be familiar with Chapters 5 - 7 of the Gospel According to Matthew. Christians don't treat others well because we want to get something out of it, or because we are "guaranteed" reciprocal treatment. We treat others well because Christ requires it of us. The Ten Commandments embody what Christ himself fulfilled and pronounced as the greatest commandment: To love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:37-37). Treating others well is not only an act of obedience, it is an act of love. Die-hard Christians know, after all, that because of Christ's sacrifice on the cross, God had mercy on us and forgave us, though we did not deserve it. Out of gratitude and Christian humility, we also, ought to have mercy and show forgiveness and grace towards or others, whether or not they deserve it.
      If you read the gospel accounts of Jesus' life, you will see that Jesus didn't stand up for himself when He was being unjustly accused. He didn???t stand up for Himself when He was being scourged and humiliated. You are correct in stating that He, God, condescended to be born of flesh as a sacrificial act of love and grace, for the salvation of humankind. He cloaked Himself in flesh, born into humble circumstances, and died a criminal's execution, for us. He didn't do it to please us. He did it to fulfill His Father's will - that propitiation be made for the sins of mankind. He endured the wrath that was meant for humanity, not to please us or to gain our applause or approval, but because without His sacrifice, we would be condemned for eternity. What happened to Jesus on the cross was an abject injustice, but He endured it willingly, because He knew that His sacrifice would bring salvation to those who would accept it. It's not about "what the world" did TO Jesus. It's all about what Jesus did FOR the world. You stated that no one can convince you that devaluing yourself makes you a better person toward others. You are presupposing that you have greater intrinsic value than those to whom you are showing kindness or courtesy. But are you, really, more valuable or worthwhile? I know I'm not. Compared to Christ, who is the plumb line of perfection, we are all utterly wicked, and utterly undeserving of His grace. So in gratitude, we do the best we can to live as He did. Out of love for God and others. Will there be people who take advantage of our kindness? Yes, there will. But if Jesus endured scorn and contempt, then why should you or I expect anything different? Die hard Christians don't return and eye-for-an-eye and a tooth-for-a-tooth; die hard Christians remember that they would be eyeless and toothless, but for the grace of Christ. I say this out of love for you, a professing Christian sister, in the hopes that you will examine your heart towards God and others in light of scripture, and that you would follow the example of our Savior

    • Posted By: rebelzeta @ 04/22/2009 11:53:50 AM

      OH. MY. GOD. I have read a lot of stupid people on the internet, but I think you may be the dumbest person I have ever seen, so I guess you can be proud of that. You have not only totally failed to absorb any of the moral lessons of Christianlity, you lack even a basic intellectual understanding of it. How can you claim to be a Christian if you have absolutely no concept of the fundamental basis of the religion? The idea that God sacrificed his only son to save the world is the whole point.

      If Jesus had been hanging out with the Romans and all about turning in revolutionaries for profit and status, do you know what he would have been? Absolutely nothing. He would have been forgotten 2000 years ago and there would be no Christianity. He was King of Kings because of who he was and his teachings of humility, sacrifice, and justice. These ideas were more powerful than the Roman empire's loves of power, wealth, and decadence and won out.

      You are really too stupid to be in society and it will undoubtedly steamroll you long before you ever realize what happened, if ever. You don't have to devalue yourself to help other people. In fact, not helping other people makes you less valuable in the eyes of others and inside yourself. Giving fills you up, not empties you, but you would never know this if all you have ever done is take, take, take in a vain effort to fill up the glaringly obvious holes in your soul.

    • Posted By: rebelzeta @ 04/22/2009 11:53:13 AM

      OH. MY. GOD. I have read a lot of stupid people on the internet, but I think you may be the dumbest person I have ever seen, so I guess you can be proud of that. You have not only totally failed to absorb any of the moral lessons of Christianlity, you lack even a basic intellectual understanding of it. How can you claim to be a Christian if you have absolutely no concept of the fundamental basis of the religion? The idea that God sacrificed his only son to save the world is the whole point.

      If Jesus had been hanging out with the Romans and all about turning in revolutionaries for profit and status, do you know what he would have been? Absolutely nothing. He would have been forgotten 2000 years ago and there would be no Christianity. He was King of Kings because of who he was and his teachings of humility, sacrifice, and justice. These ideas were more powerful than the Roman empire's loves of power, wealth, and decadence and won out.

      You are really too stupid to be in society and it will undoubtedly steamroll you long before you ever realize what happened, if ever. You don't have to devalue yourself to help other people. In fact, not helping other people makes you less valuable in the eyes of others and inside yourself. Giving fills you up, not empties you, but you would never know this if all you have ever done is take, take, take in a vain effort to fill up the glaringly obvious holes in your soul.

    • Posted By: rebelzeta @ 04/22/2009 11:52:22 AM

      OH. MY. GOD. I have read a lot of stupid people on the internet, but I think you may be the dumbest person I have ever seen, so I guess you can be proud of that. You have not only totally failed to absorb any of the moral lessons of Christianlity, you lack even a basic intellectual understanding of it. How can you claim to be a Christian if you have absolutely no concept of the fundamental basis of the religion? The idea that God sacrificed his only son to save the world is the whole point.

      If Jesus had been hanging out with the Romans and all about turning in revolutionaries for profit and status, do you know what he would have been? Absolutely nothing. He would have been forgotten 2000 years ago and there would be no Christianity. He was King of Kings because of who he was and his teachings of humility, sacrifice, and justice. These ideas were more powerful than the Roman empire's loves of power, wealth, and decadence and won out.

      You are really too stupid to be in society and it will undoubtedly steamroll you long before you ever realize what happened, if ever. You don't have to devalue yourself to help other people. In fact, not helping other people makes you less valuable in the eyes of others and inside yourself. Giving fills you up, not empties you, but you would never know this if all you have ever done is take, take, take in a vain effort to fill up the glaringly obvious holes in your soul.

    • Posted By: chembio @ 04/22/2009 11:04:12 AM

      To christigirl82: Jesus didn't get nailed to a cross for "devaluing" his self. The qualities of being respectful and having a sense of humility do not mean you will get trampled on by society and quite to the contrary are often received quite well by others as most people do not love a narcissist nearly as much as they love themselves. In fact narcissism is not a quality but a defect and in the world outside of that inhabited by politicians, actors, and some now infamous businessmen, a narcissist would be more likely to receive a pink slip than praise. You don't seem to understand that narcissism is a serious flaw and that not being narcissistic does not mean that you are "devaluing" yourself. What it means to be normal (not narcissistic) is that you are honest and reasonable with your sense of self worth and do not believe that you are somehow automatically entitled to more than anyone else simply because you are you.

  • Posted By: FreddieAZ @ 04/22/2009 12:57:27 PM

    I could not agree more with this article - the entitlement that I see with today's kids scares me. I think it is great to love yourself and look out for #1 but expecting something for just showing up is immature and pathetic. By the way, I am not broke, unhappy, old or fat - I call it how I see it.

  • Posted By: brk59 @ 04/22/2009 12:57:13 PM

    Confidence and Narcissism are two totally different things!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: brk59 @ 04/22/2009 12:55:14 PM

    Narcissism, Malignant Self-Love by Sam Valkin a self-proclaimed narcissist gives insight into the unhealthy ways of those who manipulate to get their own way. Wonderful insight for those to be able to spot them and walk away if possible. And how to if it gets rough.

  • Posted By: brokenpromise @ 04/22/2009 12:54:34 PM

    apparently the definition of narcacissm has changed since I last looked it up in my psychology books! Narcacissm was to my belief the inability of one person to believe that anyone else other than theirself has the ability to feel or have feelings, which in turn can lead the narcacist to behave in ways that hurt others around them without conscienciously knowing that the people they are hurting can feel the pain they inflict on them. Eventually from lack of having their feelings acknowledged, sometimes this will cause the person who might be the one who loves the narcacist the most to seek support elsewhere for acknowledgement that they do feel emotions just as much as the narcacist themself, or to seek validations that their feelings are legitimate. Sad but true according to the Stuart and Sundeen I read. Belinda Perryman, (everyone's ear, place to stay when they don't have one, meal to eat when their hungry, and of course scapegoat)! perrymanbelinda@Yahoo.com or BelindaPerryman@MSN

  • Posted By: joesmoe @ 04/22/2009 12:33:13 PM

    Oh please, this sounds like a desperate feeble attempt of an aging-generation that's controlled everything for so longer to barely hold on to their last few fleeting moments of youth by attacking a younger (amd let's face it, much more optimistic and promising) generation.

    If you're looking for the cause of these "failed marriages, abusive working environments and billion-dollar Ponzi schemes" you need look no further than to the Boomers - a generation who prides themselves on the ability to drive "real social change" yet hasn't done so in years, thanks to their characteristic obsession with money, power and status (which is completely opposite from the generational characteristics of the Millenials).

    Do you research.
    failed marriages, abusive working environments and billion-dollar Ponzi schemes.

    • Posted By: workerbee6429 @ 04/22/2009 12:42:11 PM

      and your solution to failed marriages and abusive working environments is a 47-year-old arrogant, narrcissitic boomer in the White House? Please!

      • Posted By: saturnina @ 04/22/2009 12:54:24 PM

        Do you have to attack the president in everything you post? He's not even relevant to half of them. At least share your reasoning for why Obama is so arrogant and narcissistic. I bet if we had a Republican president he wouldn't be either of those things to you.

  • Posted By: VAllen1277 @ 04/22/2009 12:48:23 PM

    Does anyone else who agrees with this article find it ironic that the people who love themselves the most on this discussion board, are in fact the people that most people dislike the most? haha perhaps these people should reconsider loving themselves for someone else better?

    • Posted By: DonovansMommy0710 @ 04/22/2009 12:50:38 PM

      I would love to have your email address and discuss things more fully among intelligent people. You are very insightful. Not something easily found in our generation

      • Posted By: VAllen1277 @ 04/22/2009 12:54:06 PM

        sure thing! And same to you, my email is VJA0305@gmail.com

  • Posted By: fnl21 @ 04/22/2009 12:47:08 PM

    I always grew up being told that people are differant but no one is better than anyone else. Now being 20 years old and logging onto myspace and such i realize that most kids my age must not have been taught this same idea. I see kids having things plastered all over thier pages telling people how much better they are then everyone else and how everyone should be jealous of them. I just dont understand it, what am i suppost to be jealous of? I think most people around my age need a huge reality check!

  • Posted By: joesmoe @ 04/22/2009 12:46:36 PM

    Oh please, this sounds like a desperate feeble attempt of an aging-generation that's controlled everything for so longer to barely hold on to their last few fleeting moments of youth by attacking a younger (amd let's face it, much more optimistic and promising) generation.

    If you're looking for the cause of these "failed marriages, abusive working environments and billion-dollar Ponzi schemes" you need look no further than to the Boomers - a generation who prides themselves on the ability to drive "real social change" yet hasn't done so in years, thanks to their characteristic obsession with money, power and status (which is completely opposite from the generational characteristics of the Millenials).

    Do you research.
    failed marriages, abusive working environments and billion-dollar Ponzi schemes.

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