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Obama would have been correct to say that 90 percent of the guns submitted for tracing by Mexican authorities were then traced to the U.S. The percentage of all recovered guns that came from the U.S. is unknown.

The 90% Claim
The president isn't the first to make this mistaken claim; far from it. During an interview on CBS' "Early Show" on March 26, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said: "We have to recognize and accept that the demand for drugs from the United States drives them north, and the guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from America."

The 90 percent figure was similarly cited by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) during a March 17 congressional hearing on the subject. Durbin said: "According to ATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], more than 90 percent of the guns seized after raids or shootings in Mexico have been traced right here to the United States of America." Feinstein added: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico used to shoot judges, police officers, mayors, kidnap innocent people and do terrible things come from the United States, and I think we must put a stop to that."

And it's been reported by a phalanx of news organizations, including the Christian Science Monitor, the New York Times, NBC and the Chicago Tribune, that 90 percent of Mexico's recovered guns come from the U.S.

Mexican authorities have made the same error: On CBS' "Face the Nation" on April 12, Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said: "Ninety percent of all weapons we are seizing in Mexico, Bob, are coming from across the United States."

Most who have used the statistic attribute it to ATF. Others attribute the figure to officials within the Mexican government. But that's not correct.

Without A "Trace"
In a joint statement presented to the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Crimes and Drugs, ATF Assistant Director for Field Operations William Hoover and Anthony Placido, assistant administrator of intelligence with the Drug Enforcement Administration, clarified that the 90 percent figure is true of guns that were submitted and could be traced:

Hoover and Placido, March 17, 2009: Firearms are routinely being transported from the U.S. into Mexico in violation of both U.S. and Mexican law. In fact, according to ATF's National Tracing Center, 90 percent of the weapons that could be traced were determined to have originated from various sources within the U.S.

And Mexico recovers a lot more guns than it submits to the U.S. In December 2008, Mexican Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora put the number of recovered crime weapons in the country over the past two years at nearly 29,000, according to USA Today. And figures given by ATF make clear that the agency doesn't trace nearly all of those.

According to ATF, Mexico submitted 7,743 firearms for tracing in fiscal year 2008 (which ended Oct. 1) and 3,312 guns in fiscal 2007. That adds up to a fraction of the two-year total given by Mexico's attorney general. He may be referring to a slightly different 24-month period, but that can't account for more than a part of the discrepancy. The number is growing, and already this year, Mexico has submitted more than 7,500 guns for tracing, according to ATF. But even if all those guns are added in, the total submitted for tracing since the start of fiscal 2007 doesn't come close to the 29,000 figure that Mexico says it has recovered.

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  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 11/19/2009 9:59:01 AM

    The Maersk Alabama just had it's second encounter with pirates, and THIS TIME the crew had guns and could repel the offenders MEANINGFULLY. This time the Maersk Alabama continued on to it's destination...
    Over one million times per year amerivcan citizens successfully defend themselves with guns. This could be reduced if American liberals would would help responsible law makers keep violent criminals in the USA in jail!.
    Mexican leaders should try to guage how well the US ban on semi-automatic firearms WORKED to reduce crime while it was law. ( NOT AT ALL-- which is why it is no longer law!). It's not a loop-hole IN the law. But a loop-hole in the criminal's thinking restrictions DO NOT ADRESS! And a Liberal view that the violent criminal should be free to live among his intended victims!

  • Posted By: AMMO17 @ 07/30/2009 9:19:25 AM

    I AM GOING TO TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT A PERSON THAT WAS IN IRAQ,HE WAS A BRITISH COP WHO WAS THERE TO TEACH THE IRAQI POLICE RECRUITS,WHEN HE SAW THE ARTICLE ABOUT ALL THE GUNS GOING WERE COMING FROM THE USA ,HE TOLD US THAT THEY ARE DOING THE SAME AS THE IRAQI RECRUITS.THE USA WOULD GIVE THEM UNIFORMS,POLICE CARS AND GUNS AND AMMUNITION.A FEW DAYS LATER THE CAR WOULD BE STRIPPED OF ALL POLICE MARKINGS,AND WAS NOW A TAXI CAB. WHAT ABOUT THE GUNS AND UNIFORMS WHERE DID THEY GO,HIS ANSWER WAS THEY SOLD THEM TO THE REBELS. SO ANYBODY WITH A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION KNOWS THAT THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN CORRUPT SINCE SPAIN INVADED THE COUNTRY IN THE FIFTEEN AND SIXTHTEEN CENTURY,IF THE PROBLEM IS TOO BIG BLAME THE USA WE ARE GULLIBLE.

  • Posted By: gabotech @ 06/27/2009 2:50:19 PM

    Yes they are all wrong, it is not 90 percent, the real amount is 89.99999 percent. Now it turns out that all these guns are comming from Guatemala and Belice, surely they produce a lot more guns in Central America than in the US. Please.....

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