Rebranding Hate in the Age of Obama

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  • Posted By: JimPayne @ 04/29/2009 5:30:30 PM

    The comments and quotes attributed to the Stormfront forum moderator and guest speaker, Truck Roy...

    "keep it subtle. Don't hit 'em with anything too hard right off the bat or you will shock them. Find a *** in their armor and make friends. If you are too radical, they won't listen."

    ...should give you some pause on reflection. Folks, this is the same kind of pitch in a Multi-Level Marketing program. They're basically using Amway techniques for recruitment....this is Amway for racists...or Herbalife for racists.

    "Lose tolerance now...ask me how!"

    And if these yahoos really want to deport blacks and other minorities to their "origin" countries then they should go ask a Native American, if they can find one, what they think about that plan. Aryan superiority? Pshaw! Aryan???s are superior at what exactly? I guess they are superior at being an ignorant rube? I'm a white male in my 40???s, born and raised in south and I can trace my mother's heritage back to the Mayflower so my family and "blood" has been on this continent for a long time; and likely far longer than any of these so called ???Americans.???. I for one am proud to have a person as intelligent as Barack Obama as our president...the fact that he is "black" is a bonus historically, but it???s not a condition...judge people on their merits...not the skin color. And certainly the merits of these people and anyone who gives them a seat at the table of ideas for what is best for our nation are severely lacking. The ideas and merits of these Aryan ???patriots??? and other similar bigots are poor at best. They are useless appendages on the body of life.

  • Posted By: tbobb @ 04/29/2009 5:01:05 PM

    As a white person, I'm fed up with other whites complaining about the illegal/foreigner taking "their" jobs. As an Arizona resident, I don't see any whites mowing the yards, climbing palm trees in over 100 degree heat, doing masonary work on Easter, etc. The white man sees these jobs as beneath him. How is hard work, taking care of your family, sending money to relatives in another country, beneath him. Have some self respect, quite complaining andget off your a**, take any job available. That is your responsibilty to yourself, your family, and the rest of us as citizens, legal or otherwise. I don't care who cuts my yard, trims my palm trees, etc. I just want a job well done.

  • Posted By: tbobb @ 04/29/2009 4:55:46 PM

    As a white person, I'm tired of other whites saying that "foreigners" or "illegals" are taking jobs from the white man. I live in Arizona and I don't see any white people doing landscaping, climbing palm trees, building block walls, etc. The white wants a hand out and such jobs are beneath him. The hispanic person, legal or otherwise, is hard working, often sending quite a share of his income to relatives in Mexico. If the "white" man really wants work and has some self respect, he'll get off his a## and take any job that's available. That's his job, to provide for his family and have some responsibility to his fellow human, not just fellow white person.

  • Posted By: nate31 @ 04/28/2009 12:45:09 PM

    The taking your job argument is one of the most ridiculous arguments you could possibly make! First, the blame should fall on the companies that hire illegals, because they are the ones exploiting you and the illegals. Second, go out and make yourselves more marketable! This is America, you are owed nothing! Take some classes, go to a tech school, whatever it takes, but the best man or woman should always get the job! Third, most of the whiners obviously haven't been taking notice to what jobs the illegals are taking. If you were dying for that job picking fruit in the field than your life has gone terribly wrong and refer back to point two!

    • Posted By: Wise1 @ 04/29/2009 4:11:47 PM

      I agree with you nate, but there is one problem. I don't belong to any suprmest group, so please don't take me wrong, but many companies don't follow those guidelines. I have a degree, time in the service, and an outstanding back ground. I had been with a company for nine years and every time I attempted to promote someone with lesser qualifications got the job. They didn't hold it very long, but the point is that they got it, and usually one of us that had been there longer had to train them once they were promoted to be our supervisor. I don't blame that person, but when a company has to "equal things out" they should suffer the consequences. If there's a department that the majority of the employees are women, it isn't right to hire a man for an open slot if there is a woman applicant with higher quallifications. Same goes if there is a department where the majority of the employees is black, it's not right to hire a white person if there is a black person that has higher qualifications and would fill the seat better. So many companies today have become scared of not appearing to be EOE, even if all they did was hire the better qualified candidate.

    • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/28/2009 1:44:55 PM

      The law is in effect, the government refuses to do its' one and only job, to protect the American citizen and serve their best interests. Yes big business is the one that hires them and the users of those particular services and of course those robber barrons benifit from cheap labor, but the entirety of the population pays for for the few that benifit.

      Yes we are a country of immigrants, but you well know and purposely omit, that until the present immigrants did not get a prepaid entrance into this country. Simply stated, we paid our own way here and did not negatively affect the existing citizenry, which, strangely enough, is exactly the law in Mexico. You also must be aware that to aquire gainfull employment in Mexico, an immigrant or visitor must prove that job is not being aquired at the expense of a potental native Mexicans' ability to take that job, this would be the reason that the immigrants that come north do so, because they are untalented and if they had a skill of any value they would not need to take the chances that illegal immigration forces upon them!

      P.S. It seems that anti American speech is acceptable, but anti American taxpayer ripoff speech is "hate speech", go figure! Possible you need to check which side you are on?

  • Posted By: Nonya Business @ 04/29/2009 3:47:51 PM

    It's funny how the mainstream press reports on this but you see nothing about the racism & hate mongering on various web forums like http://theobamaforum.com/ . What the group on that forum is doing should be investigated. If white people were doing it the ACLU & other civil liberties groups would be all over it but because it's blacks doing it no one reports anything about it. This is very typical of the media in todays America.

  • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/28/2009 10:59:07 AM

    What would be the important difference between a corporation "sending jobs overseas" and giving those jobs to illegal immigrants or even allowing the crazy amount of legal immigration that we presently do allow?

    World economies serve big business and small business, last time i looked those don't get a voting ballot!

    Sure, most people will tell you that "these people just want to get ahead", which is true of everyone who lives as well as every thief! Those people will tell you that "Americans will not take those jobs", if so, does it require giving them free government assistance tocompletely change the true equation (as in, that job with taxpayer provided healthcare and free schooling, with little or no tax output is not really that same job anymore)!

    Obama and his compatriats are bound and determined to dillute our prepaid shares (prepaid with the blood of our ancestors) in this best of all exclusive clubs in the world by opening the borders to all, unlike any other place on the planet! American citizenship is worth something, we remember paying trillions to make it worth that,we remember being told that we needed to have this giant government to protect us from foriegn invaders, it should not be handed out like some door prize at a rave!

    We voted you in for change(including myself), we expect that change to be good for Americans and insist that the job that we pay you for be aimed at our benifit, not the rest of the world that is what their Presidents are for!

    • Posted By: jstepp590 @ 04/28/2009 11:24:25 AM

      Uh, hello! We are a nation of immigrants and always have been. America for the Americans, huh?

      Our immigration policy needs to go back to what it was, bringing in the poor, displaced, persecuted and uneducated. At the same time we need to have our children trained as the doctors and lawyers and engineers, not importing them from overseas, so that they stay on top. That would be very much in line with our national heritage, but it's not what happens. Our politicians always tout the highly educated people we allow to immigrate here but in reality they are acting as brokers for corporations. Corporations don't want the expense and bother of training Americans if they can import them cheaper.

      By the way, why do you think we have so many illegal immigrants, especially Mexicans? Have you really looked at what NAFTA did to the economies in their own countries? Do you expect them to watch their families starve or take a risk coming north to try to find work from the people who displaced them? What would you do, watch your children become emaciated with their stomachs distended because some agri giant subsidized by our government bought the farm that has been in their families for generations after putting them out of business, or would you have taken that risk? I wouldn't have any respect for you if you didn't head north.

      As my parents always said, you will never know anyone until you walk a mile in their shoes.

      • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/28/2009 2:08:53 PM

        This has nothing to do with "walking a mile in anyones shoes, to get to know them"! This has to to with wondering why the hell I have to pay for those and his whole families shoes and education and retirement and health benifits when I don't know them and more importantly do not wish to make their aquaintance! That would be the sentiments of the majority of unwilling hosts to this invasion of our country! P.S. no one is saying that if you and the rest of that "enlightened minority" can not or should not donate the entirety of your net worth to YOUR pet project of world equalization!

        • Posted By: ken1840 @ 04/28/2009 5:12:39 PM

          You are indeed crazy.
          Dey took yer job!!!!
          "I gots to pay fer all der schools and health cares."
          You should listen to yourself you sound like a moron. You don't have a clue about what your taxes pay for, or that many illegals pay taxes.
          You aren't smart you only think you are.

          • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/29/2009 3:29:04 PM

            First off I never said they took my job, I employ over 50 people in 11 businesses. Secondly, the jobs that illegals take are the jobs that most of the adult population used to have available for their part time work and summer jobs and are lost for our children, but we never took the "free" (free to them but not American taxpayers) services that they take(steal). And lastly, your tone is one of the most common among extreme liberals who insist there is some moral compass that they alone have that allows for the donating of the rest of our monies (not necessarrily you own), get over yourself, you are the minority!
            Speaking of ideas that do not please you, how about refiguring your concept along the democratic mandate of majority rules! You are after all a person who claims to be a democrat, right? The kind of Democrat that "knows better than all the rest of the majority", of course!

          • Posted By: tom343 @ 04/28/2009 6:18:29 PM

            Is there no moderator to throw someone this rude and mean off of the forum?

            • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/29/2009 2:38:33 PM

              Boo hoo hoo. Free speech is a ***, isn't it?

          • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/29/2009 2:36:38 PM

            Yes they pay some taxes that are completely unavoidable, but when 1 state, such as california, spends more than the entire tax and social security of the entire illegal population on free (to them but not the American taxpaying citizen) then that would make anything they inadvertantly pay an absurd comment when realizing what the total 50 state total must be!

          • Posted By: w1lee @ 04/28/2009 6:35:31 PM

            They pay for all that pork and AIG bailouts

        • Posted By: tom343 @ 04/28/2009 6:17:25 PM

          First, "Uh, hello" is rude condescension. Second, the immigrants not being discussed here paid their dues before and after they showed up here. They learned American history in school in Europe. They learned some English. They endured a physical prior to embarking and prior to leaving Ellis. They kept their heritage but merely as cultural vestige. They brought up their kids to love this place, to learn the language and history of here, to fight for here when that was what the times offered. I don't see that with the illegals that swarm all around (deliberate choice of words) where I live. They ignore this culture. The flag that flies on their cars, on their dwellings is their old one. Their kids don't learn English. Their leaders whine when people like me resist having to learn their language. You've all heard it before, but it is neither good for these folks or for us folks.

          • Posted By: w1lee @ 04/28/2009 6:38:37 PM

            your blame is misdirected these people come here for a better life same as you would if you were in their shoes blame the people who hire them, if they would stop hiring them there would be no reason to come

            • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/29/2009 2:33:11 PM

              The laws to just that very thing are now and have been in place for decades, however our government seems to be made up of supposed representatives that feel a won election puts them in a place to exercise their personal moral imperatives instead on doing the most simple thing of just doing as we say to do!

    • Posted By: sueadams @ 04/28/2009 8:17:14 PM

      Study just a little history and you'll find that the gates of immigration were opened by none other than President Reagan in effort to destroy unions and have a lower educated and low paid work force. Reagan gave everyone here illegally a free pass to citizenship. Now all you GOPers are going nuts because a Democratic president might have to do something similiar to clean up yet another mess started by Republicans. Obama didn't start the problem -- do a little research before you act like you know what you're talking about will you?

      • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/29/2009 2:28:46 PM

        #1 I voted for Obama and have never voted republican.
        #2 Obama's idea (and it seems yours as well) of "cleaning up this mess" is to hand out American citizenship like lolipops at the doctors office, which would be against the premise of democracy since there is a clear majority that do not want any type of amnesty and more importantly extra competition for American jobs when unemployment is sky rocketing!

        Any more conclusions that you wish to jump to?

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/29/2009 2:39:01 PM

          "#1 I voted for Obama and have never voted republican."

          We believe you. No, really.

    • Posted By: nate31 @ 04/28/2009 12:48:13 PM

      Another quick point. If we legalize the aliens who have been living here for years, they will have to pay a fine and then start to pay taxes, so they can help out with the deficit!

      • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/28/2009 1:04:03 PM

        That fine will not even come close to paying for the services that they have already used (stolen), and would not cover one days interest on the national debt far less the taking of social security that they will recieve after have only paid in for a fraction of their work life, as in, the American majority is held ransom by the moral imperatives of the extreme minority!

        • Posted By: tom343 @ 04/28/2009 6:19:27 PM

          Should such fines be imposed, they'd all go elsewhere.

          • Posted By: basedrum777 @ 04/28/2009 7:08:15 PM

            Yousocrazy is exactly right on the mathematics of the situation.

  • Posted By: nhgrandmapa @ 04/29/2009 3:26:29 PM

    This article is very disturbing to me. I hope Newsweek is trying to portray Christians as having ANYTHING to do with these extremist groups filled with hate just because they use Scriptures. Jesus Christ brought a message of redemption, love and hope - not hate. God is not a respecter of persons - we all bleed the same. Hate is wrong regardless who spews it out, including our politicians, right or left. What is happening to our beloved country? We all need to turn our hearts to the One who really loves.

  • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 04/29/2009 3:22:57 PM

    Well this article will sure help spread thoughtful insight. Yes, let's empower the mainstream haters of the liberal left...who already associate any white guy with some kind of awful "ism" to get fired up even more over some small group of wack-jobs who wrongly direct their disdain upon groups of other people based on skin color or national origin. We'd much rather see hate spewed upon others based on economic class or...yes...skin color....as long as that its white.

  • Posted By: nhgrandmapa @ 04/29/2009 3:20:21 PM

    I am saddened by all the hate that is out there. However, I hope Newsweek is not branding Christianity with talk of this extreme group using Scriptures and pictures in church settings. This has absolutely nothing to do with faith in Jesus Christ. His is a message of love, mercy and compassion. God is not a respecter of persons. We all come to the cross equal and only through our faith in Jesus and what He accomplished on the cross, can we be made whole. What happened to "one nation under God"? We are more divided than ever.

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 04/29/2009 3:13:10 PM

    If "extremist are entering the mainstream, whats wrong with that,as the exstremists aren't extremists any more! Or is the anxiety that mainstream is going extreamist? In which case the extremist are absorbed by the mainstrem and not extreamists any more.
    Wether one integrates the other what's the difference when it's all "mainstream" in the end? And one big Tea Party! And the extremist be that minority who love taxation without hesitation.Who perhaps need to deal with thier own prejucies and fears, and be happy being an American.And without apology!
    America is a great country because we are great people!

  • Posted By: 3dayer @ 04/29/2009 3:01:21 PM

    sounds more to me like what SrAN is saying is that there is a double standard - minorities can have all the pride in their heritage they want, but whites get labelled racist for the very same thing.

  • Posted By: SrAN @ 04/28/2009 12:03:00 PM

    This is an honest question because I am slightly confused. What makes these groups "supremisists" and groups like the Black Panthers "rights activists"?

    • Posted By: malsings @ 04/28/2009 6:44:49 PM

      Supremist are people that will go to the extreme to whatever they believe. Activist are people standing for a cause trying to remedy an issue.

      • Posted By: SrAN @ 04/29/2009 2:41:46 PM

        Hence the question, groups like the Black Panthers went to the extreme to prove their point during the Equal Rights Movement, yet they are in the history books as Activists. these people are doing the same thing for basically the same reason (as with everything there is an exception) so why are they extremists?
        I will go ahead and say I am a proud White Woman. I am blonde haired, blue eyed and white. But the minute that I start to say anything that has the word "white" and "pride" in it I am called racist or looked down at. Why? Why can I not say that I have white pride when black pride is plastered all over magazines, newspaper articles and television? Even in the magazines that proclaim pride for a certain ethnic background they are careful not to seem racist but you can pick up an issue of Ebony and you will find articles like ???The Most Influential Black Americans" and terms such as Black Hollywood. How is that not racist?

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/28/2009 1:10:15 PM

      A double standard, of course.

      They're all racist groups.

      • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 04/28/2009 3:48:15 PM

        Racism: Jet magazine, Black Miss America pagent, Black history month. Racism seems to have an acceptable and non-acceptable nature, specifically when it is a political tool to be used against the majority to twart the true nature of democracy! (Racism to express your pride in your "Roots"= good racism) ( Racism that proves that a majority happens to excel over a minority or rise to the pinacle of job placement = bad racism) What next, affirmative action to put more whites in pro sports!

        Moral of the story: it is sad that sometime stereo types turn out to have some basis in fact, but fixing the game only screws it up worse!

        • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/29/2009 2:32:29 PM

          "Racism: Jet magazine, Black Miss America pagent, Black history month. "

          ...and you.

        • Posted By: pauln44 @ 04/28/2009 8:08:20 PM

          There are plenty of Euro-specific pagents, magazines, etc. Italians, Germans, Irish, etc all express pride without resorting to racism. And while black isn't a culture in the same way Italian is, blacks can't easily trace their ancestory since their ancestors were merchandise and were not allowed to preserve their histories. So they get a pass on using the generic label of black. I would just be lazy if I just clung to generic white.

  • Posted By: trentgibs @ 04/28/2009 7:46:28 PM

    Why is it they call obama black? His mother is white, not to mention he has latino and I think Italian. Anyway that makes him a mutt. like 90 percent of Americans. But all anyone wants to so is the black, you can say we have a black president when there is a full blooded black man in office

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/29/2009 2:35:47 PM

      "Why is it they call obama black?"

      Would Obama have been able to marry a White woman in 1966?

  • Posted By: the powman @ 04/28/2009 7:11:59 PM

    I hear allot of white people talking where they hire a minority over a white persin who is more quialfied and white men maily feel like the government laws gives others more right and benifit to minoritys than white men

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/29/2009 2:34:49 PM

      That's not why you didn't get a job. You didn't get a job because your spelling is TERRIBLE. If I saw spelling like that on a resume or application, I'd throw it away.

    • Posted By: trentgibs @ 04/28/2009 7:52:04 PM

      they do

  • Posted By: Dailyfare @ 04/29/2009 2:33:02 PM

    What a sad commentary.

  • Posted By: megamomm1 @ 04/28/2009 7:33:55 PM

    i am a new member of hate group and have bought a gun for the first time. am learning how to shoot and will be prepared.

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 04/29/2009 2:30:56 PM

      "i am a new member of hate group "

      You must be very proud.

    • Posted By: martialguy @ 04/28/2009 7:43:07 PM

      Hate+Gun = Threat?

      • Posted By: megamomm1 @ 04/28/2009 8:27:27 PM

        hate = gun = i better get a gun too to protect myself

    • Posted By: martialguy @ 04/28/2009 7:47:31 PM

      Whom are you threatening?

      • Posted By: megamomm1 @ 04/28/2009 8:26:35 PM

        not threatening - just learning to protect - member of the hate the hate groups

    • Posted By: martialguy @ 04/28/2009 8:02:34 PM

      If you had...balls; I would suggest you go to...Iraq

  • Posted By: techresmgt @ 04/28/2009 8:41:36 PM

    Oh, please. Read any recent comments on various media websites by liberals openly attacking anyone that disagrees with their 'special' and idealized brand of politics. The comments are very often racist, always offensive, hate filled, vicious, intolerant, and ignorant. We will probably soon witness the gross hypocrisy of the new Administration with their new 'hate bill'; probably enforceable only against those that don't agree with their own 'special', idealized brand of politics.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 04/28/2009 7:58:55 PM

    Pat Buchanan acknowledged to MSNBC anchor Tamron Hall on Tuesday that his party is facing a severe "demographic problem" in the years to come -- specifically, the GOP is on its way to becoming an all-white party.

    "There's a real demographic problem with the Republican Party," Buchanan said. "It is a heavily white party, quite frankly. And as a share of the electorate, that is diminishing and Hispanics are growing very rapidly, Asians are growing rapidly, and by two-thirds they tend to vote Democratic."

    Buchanan told Hall that the party is losing young people as well.

    "Young people increasingly are more liberal and more socially moderate, and they move away from the Republican Party," he said. "These things are undeniable, the Republican party ... is in tough shape."

    But Buchanan said the party shouldn't be written off just yet, and said Republicans have made impressive comebacks from deep deficits before.

    I went though the Goldwater disaster, when we were down to 140 House seats and we were dead forever, and I came with Nixon in '66 and we won 47 House seats and we won 5 out of the next 6 presidential elections. I don't think that's necessarily in the cards, but I think it'd be foolish at this point when Obama is at his peak, really, to write off the Republican party for 2010.




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  • Posted By: Apolitical @ 04/28/2009 7:45:36 PM

    The only difference between the neo-con Republicans and the neo-Nazi hate group is that the former is not yet wearing the brown Nazi uniform. Listen to them in their common neurosis of the government confiscating their guns, the immigrants are taking over the country, we are pandering the minorities with welfare, etc.

  • Posted By: Managethis @ 04/28/2009 7:41:04 PM

    Hey Conservative Guy guess what there are actually millions of liberal Christians. If your a true Christian then you would know that the word of god isn't based on being a Liberal or Conservative. In addition to that the labels of being liberal or christian are ridiculous. Most people are actually both as there is a time to be conservative and a time to be liberal. People who allow other to label them are weak with no backbones or minds of their own.

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