Pakistan’s Self-Defeating Army

The people of Pakistan need to curtail the power of the military elites, otherwise, they probably have less than 3 years before they disintegrate into pieces.

A good place to look for ideas is in Bangladesh: the people overthrew the military government of General Ershad in 1990, forced Khaleda Zia's corrupted government to resign in 1996 and gave Sheikh Hasina a chance to govern, but her corruption was parallel to the former. Then, the people gave Khaleda Zia a chance once again, but her corruption level was exponentially higher in her second term, so we mandated the military, to clean up both the Corrupted Parties, and when the military became too powerful, we FORCED the military to conduct an election.

When the subordinate Islamist groups attempted to terrorize Bangladesh, we hanged them by the dozens and banned political parties based on religion. Bangladesh is not a convenient hatching ground for terrorists, the terrorists realized that, i am sure, after losing their lives, to the Bangladeshi Justice System.

Bangladesh is not a land of the Muslims, not a land of the Hindus, not a land of the Buddhists, not a land of the Christians, or any other religion, for that matter. BANGLADESH IS THE LAND OF BANGALI NATION...........regardless of religious affiliation, race, sex, color, sexual orientation.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, this is how democracy should be, "MANDATE OF THE PEOPLE".

As a consequence, the military and the political parties in Bangladesh are well experienced to know, that if they do not abide by the people, the people will exercise their power and DISCIPLINE the corrupted party/parties.

In a sense, the people of Bangladesh have more freedom to choose, than any given nation of the world and therefore, although not perfect, but a fair representaion of Lincoln's "Government of the people, by the people and, for the people".

A. M. Hasnat Rashid

Agreed,
battling,
and now defeated,
but they backed their words,
not provided such assistance as promised,
Pakistan has dire need of financial and ecnomic aid.

Displaced families peoples 2 millions in numbers,
are coming back tom theire home,
they have to rebuild their homes destroyed during the opration,
they have to restart their business,
finished during war on terror.
I am saying world community come forward and provide aid with opened heart.

What have done Pakistan's armed forces
battle with extremists,
when new generation see the pages of the history
find glorious character in defeating the terrorists
before them super powers remained faile to finishe.

Our army is not killing own people they are rather spotting and snapping your siblings. They say that old habits die hard and that???s proved now. You are like spoiled brats who think that after hatching a separation movement in East Pakistan and succeeding there, can now try same in Swat or else where in Pakistan. Maroons! You are wrong. In 60 years we have learnt one thing that this way or that way keep kicking the Indian A$$ every now and then. And don???t be very proud of your shameful track record. Yours is also not some Utopian land. Don???t feel happy over the fame you gained through Slum Dogs. Bother yourself to look back at Mumbai footpaths, Dalits, Christians, inopportune Muslims, Sikhs, Tamils and many others. Look at the deplorable condition of ???Bharati Naar???. But that all needs some shame which I doubt the Indians have. You keep sending your agents and our army will keep screwing them. Happy Holiday

[That is the reason for hatred of Hindus, its not going to go away, so long as the childrens minds are poisoned in schools by their teachers in this manner..]

Our hate relation is two way traffic. The Indians can not be allowed to use it as a one-way. This hate will rather enhance unless unethical, cunning, betraying, cheater and water-stealer Indians with a black track record would not mend their ways. Next stop - UP ;-)

SHOCKED ? The blatant attitude of Pakis, is not new right.

State sponsored religious hatred is the reason gentlemaen.

http://www.sdpi.org/whats_new/reporton/State%20of%20Curr&TextBooks.pdf

-The Subtle Subversion: The state of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan.

quote- In May 2002, a group of academics were gathered by SDPI to examine the curricula and textbooks that are presently being used in public schools.The gathered academics shared the view that the curriculum encourages ideas that are incompatible with the ideals of Pakistan as a forward looking modern state committed to equal rights and equitable treatment for its citizens. Moreover, the textbooks are factually inaccurate,poorly written, pedagogically unsound and contain material harmful to young impressionable minds.-end quote.

Shocking revelation indeed, which was never discussed on these forums by many.Thus, in my opinion, the problem lies in regular municipal schools and not just in Madrassas

That is the reason for hatred of Hindus, its not going to go away, so long as the childrens minds are poisoned in schools by their teachers in this manner..

Pak military and its proxies like Taliban will not be cooperative unless they are made to understand what they will progressively loose by not cooperating, NOT what they will gain by cooperating. We have tried the latter over last 8 odd years. Return of NWFP , Baluchistan and FATA to Afghanistan must be put on the table, it will provide the leverage US needs . It will either shock pak into compliance or Afghanistan gets access to Arabian Sea. Either outcome is pretty good. Bottom line for Pak is if they cannot control their own country they do NOT deserve to keep it in the current format. It will be rearranged. So smaller nation states that are created in the process will opt for peace .

[Al-Marri admitted he trained in Al Qaeda camps and stayed in Al Qaeda safe houses in Pakistan
between 1998 and 2001, where he learned how to handle weapons and how to communicate by phone
and e-mail using code]

So that means that learn how to shoot or handle some weapon one has to go all the way to Pakistan? Amazing. How about visiitn some RSS, Bajrang Dal or any other Dal's training camp in India. After all there are skilled people like cdolomnel Prohait?
Only naive would trust some newspaper story

Qatari says he got training at camps in Pakistan:
Accused Al Qaeda supporter pleads guilty
PEORIA (Illinois), May 1: A Qatari man whose case sparked a furious legal debate over whether
the government can hold terrorism suspects indefinitely entered a surprise guilty plea, admitting
to training in Al Qaeda camps and coming to the US heartland a day before the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Ali Al-Marri, 43, pleaded guilty on Thursday to one count of conspiring to provide material support
or resources to a foreign terrorist organisation. A second charge of providing material support or
resources to a foreign terrorist organisation was dropped.
Al-Marri admitted he trained in Al Qaeda camps and stayed in Al Qaeda safe houses in Pakistan
between 1998 and 2001, where he learned how to handle weapons and how to communicate by phone
and e-mail using code

http://www.dawn.com/
Saturday, 02 May, 2009 | 04:27 AM PST

Posted by Syed Jamaluddin at Saturday, April 04, 2009

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DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM
Pakistan's soil is currently used 100% for all terrorist activities around the world. Pakistan is hijacked by PUNJAB'S MILITARY DICTATORSHIP and INTER-SERVICES INTELLIGENCE (ISI). It has become inevitable to disintegrate Pakistan to combat terrorism.

Dear Paks,

its understandable that you are so dismissive of Indian origin peoples posts.Mind you, you are selective in your readings of Pak posts. Ahmed Rashid from Pak is a serious contender of your misplaced patriotism and to me he is a patriot who wants to uplift his country. Rhetoric aside, its getting to a point that you will have to either join him or alternatively theTaliban pretty soon. Choose wisely.Unfortunately, most of you are not understanding the famous expression- think outside the box.

Indians are that much worried because it is happening in their neighborhood, that spillage into India may cause damage to their nation they have been building everso carefully, with all the diversity involved.

Posted by Syed Jamaluddin at Saturday, April 04, 2009

http://dividepakistan.blogspot.com/

DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM
Pakistan's soil is currently used 100% for all terrorist activities around the world. Pakistan is hijacked by PUNJAB'S MILITARY DICTATORSHIP and INTER-SERVICES INTELLIGENCE (ISI). It has become inevitable to disintegrate Pakistan to combat terrorism.

Dear Paks,

its understandable that you are so dismissive of Indian origin peoples posts.Mind you, you are selective in your readings of Pak posts. Ahmed Rashid from Pak is a serious contender of your misplaced patriotism and to me he is a patriot who wants to uplift his country. Rhetoric aside, its getting to a point that you will have to either join him or alternatively theTaliban pretty soon. Choose wisely.Unfortunately, most of you are not understanding the famous expression- think outside the box.

Indians are that much worried because it is happening in their neighborhood, that spillage into India may cause damage to their nation they have been building everso carefully, with all the diversity involved.

Mehboob, C. Milner, Sohail,
The fact that the authors are Indian or of Indian origin, and likely Hindu, does not negate the value of what they write. It is up to the reader to make a carefull assesment of what is written and take into account some degree of bias. To assume their argument lacks any merit because of their background is fallacious. While their background may skew their view, it also likely gives them more familiarity and more insight than say an American journalist who has spent limited time in the area. Similarly, a Pakistani writer would have his own biases, but that should not automatically render useless to the reader the views he puts forth..
It is incumbent upon the reader to discern, but not assume bias, and adjust his take-home message accordingly.

My response is to the two gentleman who pointed out that the authors are of Indian origin and therefore it is likely to get skewed. I have one message to you, coming from an Indian Muslim ( more proud to be Indian than Muslim if you please). Gentlemen, please get real. Whether the authors are Black, Brown or Blue (for that matter) is insignificant. What has been said in the Article is 100% true. The Article is about Pakistan and only one bit about paramilitary forces in India has been mentioned, This also brings to the fore about the way the Pakistani Government has been feeding propoganda to their own people ( and I also have Pakisatni friends), in that India is the enemy that needs to be vanquished. Wake up! The Givernment of Pakistan has been dealing with a group of people who dont believe in democracy, and believe in dehumanising one half of any population, and have gone against Islamic tenets itself. The Government of Pakistani with giving vast swathes of land to a known terrorist group in return for peace. The Government of Pakistan has been found wanting in dealing with these terrorists, Democracy really needs a chance in Pakistan and that definitely cannot happen when the Generals have sway.

Wow both the authors from India, a foe native country of Pakistan, how one could expect there thought will be rational? Secondly dont know the ground reality and assuming there thought. there ill-will is the part of this article. Mehboob Rabbani -Gilgit Pakistan

This article is written by two people from Indian(Hindu) background.So as a person from a western country I dont expect them to be even slightly or thats even a big word, be in favour of Pakistan or Pkistani army.They can only write something that would eventually favour India and Indian cause