An Open Letter to Notre Dame

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  • Posted By: Nubian Queen @ 04/29/2009 12:30:00 PM

    If Ms. Glendon does not want to be there that's fine. She is standing up for what she believes. However, the folks that think the school should not have the president be awarded a honorary degree should get a life. We have bigger problems in this world to deal with: war, homelessness, healthcare, etc. The school invited him let him speak. I doubt that in the span of the ceremony the world will stop spinning on its axis. Go volunteer in your community, donate to charity, and share your love of God with others. Even God walked among lepers and prostitutes are you better than him?

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/28/2009 8:14:30 AM

    As a Catholic and as an Pres. Obama supporter, I echo Celtia's comment... "Bunch of hypocrites!" I will not donate a dime to the Church from now on.

    • Posted By: bojack27 @ 04/28/2009 4:13:26 PM

      You don't even go to church or read the bible Pia!

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/28/2009 5:58:41 PM

        Well if it isn't Mr. Holier than everyone else! This latest stunt by someone within the Church will be yet another reason to add to my list to continue to do what I have been doing. At least I'm no hypocrite, bojack. You on the other hand just go to church and read the bible because you are EXPECTED to. I told you before that I try to live the way Jesus expects all of us who believe in him to live. Love your fellow man and try to not pass judgement.  Not and easy feat. And btw-I do go to church, not every single sunday but I do go. For fellowship.

        • Posted By: bojack27 @ 04/28/2009 6:05:44 PM

          Skip the pretense Pia!

          Look at your post above, you would turn your back on the church to support someone outside of church doctrine! You are being a hypocrite and falling down worshipping at the feet of Obomination.

          How can you do what Jesus said when you don't even read the bible? LOL. I will leave you alone Pia.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/28/2009 6:13:34 PM

            Bojack-is 27 your age or is it 7?

            I have no pretenses..what you read from me, is me. Bo,you don't like my comments about religion, skip me over and don't reply. Why do you Mr. Religiousness? Oh wait, Mr. Pompous sounds and looks better. Btw-I have two cousins who are priests. One is in Rome Italy. Pretenses right?

            • Posted By: bojack27 @ 04/29/2009 12:08:19 PM

              As a Catholic and as an Pres. Obama supporter, I echo Celtia's comment... "Bunch of hypocrites!" I will not donate a dime to the Church from now on.

              Look at the above statement Pia, your pretense of being a Catholic (in name only) not a practicing one and as a Obama supporter (practicing one) You then throw your Church under the Bus for standing up for the principles of the Bible that YOU DON"T READ and give your FULL Allegiance to Obomination the enemy of the unborn!

              So now you are trying to use your family members to validate or legitimize you as a believer! LOL. doesn't matter if your brother was the POPE! What you posted on the other blogs just reminds me that you like Obama will try to identify yourself with something in order to validate your stance but in the end the both of you have nothing to do with Catholicism or doctrine (bible).

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 04/29/2009 11:20:01 AM

    My opinion is those that seek to denigrate President Obama for upholding the law, which he swore an oath to do, refutes any argument that he supports abortion. The law says that a woman has the legal right to choose. He is upholding the law. As far as I know not one US President has overturned that law, and I am not certain that any US President can.

    I also oppose any person or politician seeking to impose a particular Church Doctrine on all Americans. I think this is simply a fabricated platform used to denigrate a US President they do not like. That does not sound very Christian to me. Perhaps I missed it. Did Republican Presidents get the same condemnations, no Honorary Degree from Notre Dame when they failed to overturn RoevWade?

    It does not take a rocket scientist to see through the unfair bias these so-called Christians are practicing. Having the audacity to suggest they are doing so in the name of the Lord. Shameful! By the way, simply because there are pedophiles in this nation, I think that an inadequate excuse to condemn those that point out tragedy of those unfortunate occurrences connected to the Catholic Church. It happened and there is no sense becoming resentful at those that point it out. Especially when some Catholics are so willing to point the finger at others.

  • Posted By: stevebiecko @ 04/27/2009 5:08:40 PM

    good for her. As to those bringing up pedophiles: Don't let a few "bad apples" spoil the Church. Man makes mistakes, as do a small percentage of priests. On balance, the church is 'good'. That there are Catholics like Mary Ann Glendon, willing to take a stand for their beliefs is outstanding. BTW, I am NOT catholic (Greek Orthodox actually) but the fact that anyone with an opinion that doesn't mimic either A.) the Leftist Liberal Ideology in control of the Media and Blog-o-sphere or B.) Saint Obama, immediately gets shouted down or worse is what really cheeses me off.
    Leave the (.001%) pedophiles out of it. It's a Catholic University, kudo's to Mary Ann Glendon.

    • Posted By: syzitisi @ 04/28/2009 11:53:43 PM

      The ???bad apples??? were not the cause of my outrage, as I believes that pedophiles are damaged and sick individuals. How can anyone with a decent moral compass ignore the fact that the Church systematically protected pedophiles (even 1) at the expense of innocent children and acted with total disregard of the law? Finally, how much courage does it take to simply agree with your own churches brainwashing? Interestingly, I am also Greek Orthodox.

      • Posted By: pandahays @ 04/29/2009 10:11:04 AM

        I am so sick and tired of people blindly attacking the church for support of pedophiles. These sick people come in EVERY FORM. There are police officers who are pedophiles, teachers, rabbis, firefighters, and *gasp* even protestant ministers, youth group leaders and other prominent members of society. Name a situation in which the church turned their back on a proven pedophile/child molester?

  • Posted By: murraydomer @ 04/29/2009 8:24:27 AM

    Apolitical has a misconception about the situation. As a Notre Dame alum and parent I can tell you that the vast majority of the alumni and students support Obama's visit and honorary degree. You are hearing a loud, well organized, right wing minority express their displeasure.

    • Posted By: pandahays @ 04/29/2009 10:08:01 AM

      Even Arizona State chose not to award Obama an honorary degree because he has barely been in office. Maybe you are proud today, but when you stop to realize that this man had the power to save so many lives and he not only turned his back on them, but made every effort to make sure that these murders went on legally, you may grow to be ashamed that you clapped and cheered his name.

      Not only is he turning his back on the unborn, but he is also failing to meet his promises to send HELP to the people of Darfur. They are starving to death while you are sitting comfortably in an auditorium cheering for the man who has done so very little.

  • Posted By: clarez45 @ 04/28/2009 10:49:17 PM

    President Obama is president of all the people of the United States. It should be considered a privilege and honor to have any president speak at your school's graduation. Ms. Glendon will do whatever she does, but it is a silly gesture and very disrespectful of her country for whom she served as ambassador. The president of our country is speaking at one of our country's premier universities. Enough said.

  • Posted By: clarez45 @ 04/28/2009 10:46:56 PM

    President Obama is president of all the people of the United States. It should be considered a privilege and honor to have any president speak at your school's graduation. Ms. Glendon will do whatever she does, but it is a silly gesture and very disrespectful of her country for whom she served as ambassador. The president of our country is speaking at one of our country's premier universities. Enough said.

  • Posted By: ASolidFoundation @ 04/28/2009 10:13:43 PM

    Everyone can see that America is in a moral decline. I applaud Mrs. Glendon for making a public statement, based on moral principle, notwithstanding she is giving up the honor associated with this prestigious event. It is time more people started doing the same thing! Mrs. Glendon has courage most of us could never muster.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 04/28/2009 9:38:10 PM

    js123, ronkerny, Dolmance-great comments! I wish Mary Ann Glendon could read them.

  • Posted By: onthejourney @ 04/28/2009 9:36:21 PM

    The President is delivering a speech to the graduates on their commencement day, an insipring thought to carry forward - let go of differing positions on when life begins and embrace the honor of being addressed by the President. The University has extended the invitation and that should end the debate. Don't cloud the commencement event with rumbling over issues not pertaining to graduation.

  • Posted By: Dolmance @ 04/28/2009 8:28:36 PM

    Now I understand why the British turned so hostile to the Catholics. In another time, this kind of Papist mind control could have been really dangerous. Nowadays, it just seems kind of demented, like the Papal hit man in the Da Vinci Code.

  • Posted By: Apolitical @ 04/28/2009 6:17:44 PM

    Obama was elected by 54% of Catholics. I wonder if Ms. Glendon was those people out of touch like their counterpart like the neo-con hypocritical Fundamentalists.

  • Posted By: wildechild66 @ 04/28/2009 5:55:29 PM

    It saddens me that Ms. Glendon feels that she cannot participate in Notre Dame's commencement activities. Though she must act in accordance with her morals, it is not as though the university were awarding this same medal to President Obama. An honorary degree does not mean that Notre Dame approves of President Obama's stance on abortion, simply that they respect the work he has done on behalf of the country and in the interest of interfaith co-operation. After all, the University of Notre Dame is not the church, and has both the right and the responsibility to make its own decisions.

  • Posted By: airjackie @ 04/28/2009 2:08:41 PM

    Great example for standing up for American Christian Values and Morals as we also torture woman and children and justify it. One might ask how woman rights go as far as they have today. I saw if Christian want to follow the bible you have to go all the way. Woman should be silent and obey men. Woman should be told who to marry and just have kids. If a wife can't have children her husband use have children from his other wives. Follow Abraham and Daivid as our example. Woman should not be educated it's not necessary. Now we notice none of the Christians doing those things but they make up stuff as they go along. This has nothing to do about Obama's religious views it's all because he's an African American President and many many people can't get pass that fact. As America grew away from racsiim no one ever thoutht one day white would have to call a black man Mr President. Religious leaders of the pass used the bible to justify hate and evil. This is to much for some Christians to take so if Obama had a hang nail that would be the excuse.

    • Posted By: bojack27 @ 04/28/2009 5:44:08 PM

      LOL. Did you just pull the race card? GET Real!

  • Posted By: irishin @ 04/28/2009 10:42:03 AM

    As a center of learning, Notre Dame has to be open to discussion of different viewpoints. Cheers to Notre Dame for inviting the President - his election demonstrates a cohesion of his views with those of most American voters. A part of Catholic hierchy is close minded to any views contrary to their own - on the abortion issue and many other issues. This close mindedness has hurt the Church and will continue to do so until Church leaders learn to listen to, and open dialog with, its own members.

    • Posted By: pandahays @ 04/28/2009 5:35:49 PM

      Notre Dame is a religious-based college meant to follow the church's teachings, so no it does not HAVE to be open to moral beliefs outside of its own. Nor does the Catholic church. The point of belonging to an organized religion is to trust that their rules are there for a reason. The church is open to dialogue but is not going to change its standpoint on these issues. Sometimes faith involves following guidelines that go against the mainstream society, and following rules that are very hard to follow.

  • Posted By: reader12 @ 04/28/2009 5:07:53 PM

    this is merely a woman standing up for what she believes in. i say good for her.

  • Posted By: usa4ever @ 04/28/2009 4:57:33 PM

    wow I am stunned by so many of you so called 'catholics' who do not and cannot even support your own faith base.
    No wonder the born agains rip you all apart from seam to seam. Basically very few of you actually know your faith, few truly practice your faith. Then to boot you all come out as "Obama supporters, are Pro Abortion, Pro stem cell , and on and on...
    As far as ND's Alum go, they have slacked obviously on their standars of moral acceptance because they are to busy worrying about getting a National Championship
    I USED to be a big fan of the Irish for years, but ater all this BS, and the fact that I find most Grads as arrogant , know it alls...I'm done.
    I can't support a University that promotes anyone who is pro Abortion, anti life, and hell bent on destroying America.
    You all remember these days, because it is just the beginning, and all of you hands are dirty
    So all you "I'm Catholic and an Obama supporter's" are merely CHINO's-catholic In Name Only because if any of you truly knew you faith, you would act and think a lot differently. Didn't hear any of you say you attend mass-daily or weekly, pray the rosary, fast, spend time in front of the blessed sacrament or read the bible. If you did I think the Holy Spirit would change you heart.
    IWhoever you are Pia, I will pray for you when I pray for you & this sad Country of urs.

  • Posted By: Bella's a Pug @ 04/28/2009 12:43:14 PM

    whay's ironic is the democrats do more every day to lessen abortion and the church and the republicans actually add to the number of abortions. this is an indisputable fact!

    • Posted By: bojack27 @ 04/28/2009 1:18:49 PM

      Ok post these facts so that I can be convinced

      • Posted By: Bella's a Pug @ 04/28/2009 1:26:42 PM

        i'm here for you. the gop and the church has only one policy when it comes to birth control. abstinence, just sy no 65% of high school teenagers are having sex.

        the democrats, in contrast, promote sex education, condomss, birth control pills, and birth control devices. all designed to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

        which policy do you think prevents more unwanted births and therefore unwanted abortions? just don't do it or birth control methods?

        • Posted By: bojack27 @ 04/28/2009 3:16:09 PM

          Ok this so called evidence has prevented how many tangible abortions? This type of reasoning is totally misguided and shows no clear proof that sex education, condoms, birth control pills or devices have reduced the number of abortions.

          What you are aassuming is that since they didn't get pregnant, whatever the precentage that it prevented all of them from having abortions. This is speculation and not true reduction.

          http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/11/abortion-rates-under-clinton-and-bush.html

          http://www.factcheck.org/society/the_biography_of_a_bad_statistic.html

          http://www.lifenews.com/nat886.html

          • Posted By: Bella's a Pug @ 04/28/2009 3:43:11 PM

            i missed the one line. i sure didn't say all would have an abortion. i think one could assume however that at least the same percentage would have.

          • Posted By: Bella's a Pug @ 04/28/2009 3:41:35 PM

            you're kidding right. why does a person use birth control or a condom/ i could be wrong here, but i think it's to keep from being pregnant. now, if you can accept that as a fact, don't you think the abortion rate would increase if everyone who uses birth control suddenly stopped? i mean come on, bojack, you can't believe what you're saying. do you really need a laboratory to tell you that unwanted pregnancy is preventable and that the reason for abortions is unwanted pregnancy. too many have bought into that lofty, take the high road, and just say no approach. it's a nice moral position but is out of touch with reality. who would prefer thair child have an abortion instead of taking precautions. it's time for republicans to live in the real world. you don't have to say it's ok to have premarital sex to promote birth control. i'm not getting on catholic or any other religeon but plenty of them have had sex before marriage and plenty have used birth control and none of them put themselve in position to consider abortion. you can have the last word.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 04/28/2009 2:43:39 PM

    If it were possible, would any here support a modern day Spanish Inquisition? Shall the motives behind Church Politics , any Churches??? Politics of any religion actually be used to support division between one person that claims Christ as his Savior, and another? Can it be that is the intentions of God the Father sending His Son into the world to save man from his sins? I guess we all have the right to answer such a question any way we want. How does worshipping the Lord fit into our individual decisions?

  • Posted By: barrylavalla @ 04/28/2009 2:32:19 PM

    Perhaps she would prefer Sara Palin or ???Joe The Plumber???

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