naw we got info that stopped attcks according to intelligence officers. better to be disgrace than dead
We need to come to terms with not just who did what, but our collective complicity with their decisions.
naw we got info that stopped attcks according to intelligence officers. better to be disgrace than dead
Tonylee makes an untrue statement. CIA documents actually do not collaborate that intelligence obtained from torture prevented ANY imminent attacks (the proposed intent of torture). Incidentally, torture is historically used to extract confessions, not intelligence. A man under such duress will say anything to make it stop after all. It has also been proven that under such duress (torture) the truth is often hard to extract from one's memory. May make great movies, but torture didn't work!
We let them do? You mean I was offered a choice in what they were doing in my name? Funny, nobody mentioned that to me. The first I knew of it was our country being dragged through the gutter on the front pages of newspapers.
BY all means, have an investigation and air everything out. Do not be shy about holding our elected respresentatives to account for breaking the laws of our country because that is the only way I see to keep this crap from happening again, but to our own citizens next time. As the old expression goes "the truth shall set you free, but it's probably going to piss you off first".
Imagine - your daughter has been kidnapped. She has been kept in an isolated confined space with limited air for quite along time and it will soon run out and she will suffocate - a slow agonizing death unless she is found and rescued. You have captured the perpetrator, he has admitted to taking her, given specific details to confirm it but won't tell you where she is. Do you ask him nicely "please tell me where she is." Do you honestly think this scum bag will tell you? Or do you do what needs to be done to save your daughter's life? Now multiply that scenario exponentially to include a city block in a major metropolitan area. National assets have in custody one of a two man terrorist team set to detonate a small dirty bomb in 2 hours. Do you ask him nicely to tell you where his friend is? Do you really think this religious loony will tell you? Or do you do what needs to be done to save the lives of the hundreds, maybe thousands of people that could be effected. Just a thought...
Yet another wonderful article by Newsweak. Mr. Author- first of all - we are not a liberal society -and god willing - we never will be. Secondly - Not everyone considers what was done torture. So i fail to see your 'hall of shame' unless your refering to the quality and neutrality of Newsweeks reporting.
YES you are all complicit in torture...even the torture of the elderly in US Immigration jails....
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maybe I am a better american than all of you,, because despite the personal risk to myself, I will never stop talkign about what I have witnessed.
some value their careers over the lives of people held without charge and denied the opp to see a judge....
YOU ARE ALL COMPLICIT but then as you sit in the basement eating cheetos and playing xbox, this all seems very far away, until your brother dies in Iraq, and then you have a point of view...
GET OFF YOUR ASS AND INVESTIGATE YOUR GOVERNMENT - BEFORE THEY ARE SHINING A FLASHLIGHT UP YOUR ASS!
I am a better american becuase I have fought to be here, and despite the mess my country is now, I was raised with ethics, morals and values...and a bit of torture too, so I am against it here..
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izageek, does FF know you posted her that apology you told me about in your post? Had she seen it? I can't get in the article to read any exchanges between the two of you from days ago.
You're right, it was unfair and very uncalled for of me to say that about Obama's win being a farce to you. I was trying to make a point and I miserably failed at it. I apologize for it.
I am gone now from this article. I want to check out articles on Home etc......Bye.
izageek, I can only post here, can't download thread.
I know what I said on the 9th. Now I say that I saw the names you called her. She was defending herself and this is why she called you what she did. She shouldn't have said that but you are guilty too. FF has left this article, she's done with this. Leave her be with this. Please.
Iza, no one here hates you and you don't hate anyone. No one here hates you because you are black, understand? If you truly believe this, Obama winning the presidency was just a farce to you. These people here are human beings, they are not evil. We're all good people, why can't we just get along? Why do I have to choose between you and these other posters? I'm your friend, and I want to be friendly with them too. We are supposed to be against wars and what are we doing here, izageek??? God expects each of us to get along with one another, this is what life is about. No more wars here!
I am going to leave this article now and for your own good, you will do the same. If you continue, I will do as you ask, to stay out of your way but don't expect me to forgive you again. I hope that the others have left this article for good and won't be back. Hopefully, this will finally end it.
izageek! I am pleading with you to stop this! You're destroying yourself. Please, do it for me. You said the other day that I was your first blog friend on Newsweek and that I didn't know what I meant to you. I know do and this is why I want you to stop this insanity. I care about you and I don't want you to self destruct. Stop it, please. Thank you, iza.
I want you to play this, my best friend played it in her car the other day. I think you'll like it. I don't know what the message is exactly, it's just a beautiful song.
In case link is broken, it's, Some Other Time-Alan Parsons Project, Robo Cover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9qzsXP5yjE
Geek, were on you like white on rice. Give it up my boy.
That wasn't my post geek. Yesterday I was, I think two or three different people here according to you? Now today, I'm not them but someone else entirely!
You're so easy. I'm not who you think I am. Keep guessing, geek.
izageek, I see you are still in here trying to win at your favorite board game: Pin the 'Tale' on the Honk*y." It's over geek, and you've lost.
And though the case against you now is very solid, I must also chime in here with everyone else and say it's time for you to go. I was going to say "chime in here with the majority", but "everyone" is a more suitable term as, well geek, you have absolutely no support here.
Make it easy on yourself geek and find another more suitable site. When your liberal friends have left you as they have here geek, it's time to go.
Bon Voyage!
Wow, I'm gone for a day and come back to major fireworks! Hey there isaGeek, it looks like you're in well over your punkin' head here tonight! I see you're still at it you naughty boy. Geek, you shouldn't ever treat the women here like they're your property. I thought you had learned that lesson from me yesterday, but it now looks like you have forgotten. Oh well, class is once again in session. Ready to enroll in Don't be a Dumbass 101 isageek?
Pia, sorry I missed your post this morning. This is senseless with geek and will never stop. We were exchanging a few posts last night when geek came in a deliberatly started a fight and began attacking both of us. I'm upset that I allowed myself to get sucked into his game. The only way the fighting stops is for others to not respond to his stalking and abuse or to simply leave, which is of course what he ulitmately wants. I found his treatment of you last night deplorable, (especially the senseless, vile comment about your cat) simply because you were being nice to someone he hates. He turned instantly on you when you were cordial with TTR, another person he absolutely hates. I guess being loyal in Geek's book means you have to hate as he hates. Like other women abusers, he feels bad about it the next day and is all apologetic blaming it all on something like an auto accident.... but the abusive behavior almost always returns.
Btw, geek was less than honest about the abuse he dished to FF. He left out plenty. I remember him calling her a sh!t eating skank, a whore, a racist and slut. I can't remember the others, but I know there's plenty more, including some incredibly dirty usernames. He called anyone who went to her defense her personal pimp.
Geek thinks he can act freely here and abuse people as he wishes with foul language, but if gets called 'boy' for acting like one, you'd think the world was coming to an end! By the way, Pia, the original Sambo's restaurant is still open and doing well in Santa Barbara, and you can find African Americans having dinner there on any given night.
I will be out for a few days with work P. When I get back this will be behind me, and I won't be responding to geek any further. There's simply no way the political opposition can debate with him without being ultimately drawn into a race baited fight. He's accused so many different people here of calling him the n word so many times. (never proven) It's just in his blood to do so. Anyway, I like your idea of the non political boards. Sounds refreshing! When I get back, I'll meet you on one! Later then -
Pallisor, I just want to let you know I have read your comments here. Thank you. I'm sorry this happened. I want us all to put it behind us.
Don't work too hard. Hope to see you soon on other articles. Perhaps there are articles on Arts and Entertainment here...Music and Lit.
Thank you Pia. I wanted to set the record straight here, and PJ and I have done so. I will confront this nonsense, especially when geek admits in his own words to it.
Music and lit sounds better than Iraq... see you in a few days.
izageek, everything's fine. No worries.
izageek, I can't continue with this any longer. I have to do my work. I can't let this affect my job. I have to go now, I'm sorry. Please, log off and do something you enjoy. Don't even look at your pc for a few days.
Pia, I'm sorry this has degenerated into what it has. Like Quid and few others, I sometimes let insignificant jerks like geek get under my skin and respond in kind. Obviously, this "one time friend" was never a friend to you at all. You did nothing to him to warrant this, just as FF didn't do anything to warrant his attacks on her. This guy is constant race baiter... he tried this garbage with Quid Pro today and he didn't fall for it. Be careful and watch your back. I wouldn't be surprised if stalks you now. I've already reported him for a multitude of sins, I suggest that if you bothers you that you do the same. Don't let this foul, phony creep run you off P. Once again I'm sorry this got out of hand. One day I'll learn not to respond to fleas.
Pallisor, it's not your fault. I suggest we just walk away from this.
izageek, I beg you to stop this. You have let this fight eat away at you. No one hates you here and you do have friends who care. Please, I'm begging you to stop what you're doing, it is only hurting you..
Well hello Ms. Pia. After reading some of the blogs, I can see why you haven't been here. I don't blame you. I haven't post much either. You don't have to respond, but I did want to say hello. I hope all is well with you.
Hello Pallisor. Of course I am going to post to say hello. This is the only reason I logged in after checking Forums to see if you were around. I have no interest in posting anything to anyone else.
I'm fine, thank you. I hope you are too. I just read some of the posts on that article from today. Who is he?
Hi Pia! I'm glad you're doing well and thank you, that was kind of you to say. Likewise from me. Which article, Dick takes Manhattan?
P, no need to thank me but you're welcome.
Yes, that article.
Then you're speaking of Quid Pro Quo. He/she's a recent poster here from what I can see. Doesn't pull any punches and calls it like it is. I saw the comments regarding you. Nice, IMO. Not a welcome site to the extreme left like 40 or in this case especially geek, (s/he left geek on the floor? but I like none the less! lol
P, yes, that would be him. Latin username? Whoever he/she is, it was nice of him to be concerned for me and very generous of him to compliment me. I'm not very deserving of any compliments, though.
P, it looks like we have a infant intruder. This may get a little ugly as the panzi thinks he wants to fight.
I think there's more here that think of you that way than you may think, P.
Pia, I've seen the ongoing war... I'm sure you know it has nothing to do with politics, rather it's a personal war that none of us can help resolve. They are destined to destroy each other, and FF was the first to seem to be the first to get out of Dodge. I would hope that you and 40, (as much as I disagree with him) do the same. Just my opinion.
Pallisor, I agree. It is a sad situation. I stayed away for five days last week. A few days ago I tried to play arbitrator and I almost had it! I talked to each one seperately. I told paul I was there for him if he wanted to talk about it. He said no. Today I tried to make things fun and that didn't help. As of this evening I'm out of it. I'm done. NW will remove the article soon and hopefully that will end it.
That new poster. What is his problem? Why is it every time we post together we get highjacked by some weird poster? I don't know who he could be. MT? Did you read his comment where he suggested you continue the discussion through email? Creepy. Don't do it.
P, I didn't know you served in the military? I'm impressed.
Sad, but that's the way it is. I know if I were eliminated here I could come back as someone else, but I can't imagine doing so. They seem to have no qualms with doing that. Anyway, I want to stay out of the line of fire.
The boy Rob? Lol.. just a boy who is an extreme lib... Too bad he can't debate like Harley could... lol!
Bay, I hope paul and iza can end this soon. I would think by now they would be sick and tired of it! I won't even go check on them again.
Rob- he's still at it over there, posting stroke etc..so rude, a bully. I'm staying off that article. I hope we can find a safe one. I want new articles put up, these recent ones are boring.
Hello 40! Thank you for the links you left me below. Hope all is well......read you again soon..
Hi Pia, Things are great, as I hope they are for you. Every time I hear someone whine about how our allies don't appreciate us, I think of Randy Newman's Political Science.
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