Two Bushes, Two Iraq Wars

Posted By: Fernadez @ 05/13/2009 2:41:10 PM

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  Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/14/2009 1:38:42 AM

  Extremely bottom line I like it but also lends to a genocide Regime of zero tolerance. If you removed giving them Nuclear capability it would not be far fetched but you are scaring the straights.
  
  Nuclear arms if the hands of fanatics would be akin to leaving Jeffery Dommer alone in a room with someone and closing the door touting; you know they will be ok. Later you could deny fault
  

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    Posted By: Fernadez @ 05/14/2009 4:34:16 AM

    Oh Come on,Ths are real propaganda,They sad the same old thng,over and over agan to N-Korea,China for havng Nuclear.Power.........the Vallan Country,....BUT there's NO WAR record on these Countres for WAR for decade.Let me put straght awaya,1) Whch Country are mostly prone to War? (War Monger)Answer s Unted States Of Amerca,Whch Country are most lkely to be Attack by US?The Answer s straght forward the Arabs Countries....Reason Arabs doesn't have NO NUCLEAR Power.

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      Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/14/2009 4:00:53 PM

      Look the internal strife the Turks are something to be respected and admired they would be a brutal force to have to contend with if it was just them, the Arabs are the same.
      
      They agree not to have Nuclear weapons because they know themselves and also in the thousands of years of their history they have also ended up with hundreds of disposed monarchs. Princes abound who will never set a throne unless they have the ability to take the power even the internal strife of a Nuclear War would be destructive. As History has taught us the world is their battle ground the hate with in the religions of the same order strong and zero tolerance of any outside religions.
      

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        Posted By: Fernadez @ 05/14/2009 4:30:21 PM

        You are totally wrong on Both facts,ether the about the Turks or the Chinese,You'll never want to accept someone's else differences of cultures.Let me Explains first,The chinese are never known Practce of Democracy,You have to respect that, through their 3,000 Years Histroy.They never cast a Vote to select their Leaders that base by Head Counts But onlyknow through by Head-Chops.(not till recently) so dont Wsh for sometihng that you'll be regrets teachng them about democracy values.About the Turks ,Let me explain to you,There are serious indications that Israel and American-xxxish organizations are no longer willing to support Turkey's lobbying efforts in Washington.
        
        The dispute between the two strategic allies began with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan harshly denouncing Israel's incursion into Gaza and accusing the xxxish state of committing crimes against humanity. He suggested that Israel be barred from the United Nations as mass demonstrations were held throughout Turkey with banners that read: "Gaza will be a grave for Israel" and "Put Israel on trial for war crimes." Israel's Consul General in Istanbul, Mordehai Amihai, told Milliyet that the consulate received hundreds of anti-Semitic e-mails every day during the fighting in Gaza.
        
        Initially, Israeli officials expressed their displeasure through diplomatic channels. But as the anti-Israel rhetoric intensified, Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister publicly warned Turkey that Tel Aviv might retaliate by acknowledging the Armenian Genocide. Last week, Israel's Prime Minister Olmert invited the leaders of France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain and the Czech Republic to dinner in Jerusalem after their summit meeting in nearby Egypt. Significantly, Turkey's President Abdullah Gul, who also had attended the summit, was excluded from the dinner.
        
        American-xxxish organizations, which had for years supported Turkey's denialist agenda on the Armenian Genocide in the U.S. Congress, were highly incensed by the Turkish condemnations of Israel. The American xxxish Committee sent a letter to Erdogan on January 8, to express its "grave concern over recent official statements" by Turkey's Prime Minister and Foreign Minister. On January 21, a second letter was sent to Erdogan, this time signed by five leading American-xxxish organizations, expressing their "profound concern over the current wave of anti-Semitic manifestations in Turkey."
        
        In their joint letter, the American xxxish Committee, Anti-Defamation League, B'nai B'rith International, Conference of Presidents of Major American xxxish Organizations, and xxxish Institute for National Security Affairs complained about "gravely distressing" recent incidents: "Protestors besieging the Israeli Consulate in Istanbul have expressed their hatred of xxxs. Billboards around Istanbul are full of anti-xxxish propaganda posters.

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          Posted By: Fernadez @ 05/14/2009 5:02:26 PM

          Hoping you understand my Points here,Remember,We stll detained few Chinese's muslim n Guatamano Bay.China dont yet make any noiseYet Hstory recorded we had Convicted the Chinese before for Breakng International Treaties,About both US allies Turks-Isrealis again show Amercans are Pro Isrealis,When ever the mass murderer done by Isrealis,the world pointing Fngers always blame at US as sleepng partner.Both nstance No One's esle mstake excepted US to be Blame,Recently US fail to Convicts and prosecute his own War Crimminals for breaking International Treaties,worst stll trying,hide, conspiracy,protecting those Crmnal...this is serious offense not just by the Law but insulted The whole World.

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          Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/14/2009 4:56:10 PM

          Thank you I always enjoy more knowledge, enlighten is always well received.
          
          You have taken what I said about China out of context if you would do me a favor and please re-read what I posted thank you.
          
          You also detailed the very bases of an argument against the support of nuclear armament better then I could ever have, again thank you.
          
          So I contend to add a few these are the reasons why they should not have nuclear capabilities.
          
          This is a debate of David and Goliath that is if David lost me being David of course and I really have enjoyed it. Now if you could present your information to your self with the no nuke thing it would be neat!
          

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        Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/14/2009 4:39:07 PM

        oops its look to the internal sorry

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    Posted By: Fernadez @ 05/14/2009 4:59:19 AM

    
    Another REASON why America chose Which enemy of War Convience!!!!.A country with no NUCLEAR POWER.
    Just magine on this Acton By another Super NUCLEAR Power nation below.
    
    China accused the US of double standards after the US navy fired a missile to destroy a failed satellite 150 miles above the Pacific.
    Beijing, which was criticised by the US and others when it shot down one of its own satellites last year, turned the tables on the Bush administration after this morning's space shot.
    
    "The United States, the world's top space power, has often accused other countries of vigorously developing military space technology, but faced with the Chinese-Russian proposal to restrict space armaments, it runs in fear from what it claimed to love,"
    China stresses that it has consistently advocated the peaceful development of outer space and it opposes the arming of space and military competition in space,"
    
    The satellite was 500 miles above the Earth's surface. The explosion created a cloud of debris in space, adding to the amount of "space junk" circling the Earth.
    
    Hans Kristensen, a weapons expert at the Federation of American Scientists, says that while it has been assumed that China was working to develop such capabilities, the satellite strike still surprised him.
    
    "I was surprised that they were able to do it," Kristensen says.
    
    U.S. officials say the Chinese hit the satellite with the help of a medium-range ballistic missile ??? most likely the DF-21.
    
    A satellite is a fairly small thing to hit with a missile.
    
    

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      Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/14/2009 4:13:08 PM

      I tried to post to your 5/14 4:59 post but ended up above it oops

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      Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/14/2009 3:43:14 PM

      A War of convenience, when was the last time the loss of life was convenient?
      
      We are not attacking anyone because they are not nuclear enabled our government was on the verge of war with Russia for years if you go back in history you would find out how many time it came really close. As for China before the borrowed Stimulus monies we already owed them so much they could have financial destroyed our county at a whim, and they are only in what was our Industrial era, China is fascinating to say the least. They may even prove that a Democratic society is not the only route to success.
      
      Why we can not allow the nuclear weapons to be a balancer of power is more a testament to an ideology and how they would be used. For that take a look first how a few small counties cost the lives of 97,000,000 lives only in WWII then estimate the genocidal nature of the people you want to give access to nuclear arms. Now also figure in the estimated life's of the people they already have killed over the last 4000 years in a month they could double the figure.
      
      Its not that we attack them because they are not nuclear armed, we attack them to prevent them from potential creating a world crisis.
      
      The Satellite downing I heard of it but haven't read into it deeply but I will guarantee it was not just for sport. What you failed to mention the satellite the US shot down what was its power source did they say? As for 500 miles above Earth look to the night sky the falling stars are amazing Meteorites are the stew of our creation, space junk also rains on us all the time. Do you want really big chunks streaking across our skies and hitting the ground or would a bunch of spectacular little ones, which mostly burn up?
      
      His assessment at Chinas ability to hit the satellite is great they share our capabilities of accuracy and should be testament to the World???s respect for China as a super power. What you failed to included in your reasoning was the Russian nukes of the cold war were designed to be lobed at an enemy make'em strong enough get'em close enough, jobs done! The US then could land the nuke with in a few square feet and has Chinas ability now to drop a satellite from orbit. Here lies the problem when you launch something into the atmosphere which has the same potential trajectory as a nuclear attack you should warn people; what if ours or another country misreads a nuclear powers launch?