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Why I Froze My Eggs

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  • Posted By: isis5632 @ 05/05/2009 1:17:14 PM

    Healthy eggs are only one part of having a baby, advanced maternal age brings with it other risk factors such as preterm labor, pre eclampsia, etc. All that money for a 28% sucess rate? I am all for waiting for the right one and right time, but we need to really be honest with ourselves about postponing having babies until older and older ages. I had my children in my twenties while going to school, now I am 30 with a masters degree and now my kids are at the age where I an really be agressive in promoting my career. But I also believe you should still wait to be in a stable relationship, I hope this author finds that

    • Posted By: akamai1 @ 05/06/2009 6:25:27 AM

      You are lucky that your life happened in an orderly and 'normal' way. The point of this story is that for so many women today, your life just hasn't been their reality. I had a child in my early twenties, now also have a master's in my early thirties, and am hoping to have at least two more children soon. As I climbed the corporate ladder, the opportunity for more children or a good husband never presented itself. I, too, am considering freezing my eggs until Mr. Right comes along, and I hope it's before I'm 35!

      • Posted By: isis5632 @ 05/06/2009 9:56:45 AM

        You are misundersrtanding my comment, I amde a choice to do kids first career second and I think more educated women need to evaluate that choice

        • Posted By: vonda_7 @ 05/06/2009 10:07:07 AM

          Maybe lots of women would like to "kids first" but what if they don't meet Mr. RIght? SHould they just put off having a career until he comes along? Who can afford that?!! So I think YOU'RE missing the point of the article. We don't know that she wouldn't have chosen kids first had she met Mr. Right at an earlier age.

          • Posted By: isis5632 @ 05/07/2009 10:51:46 AM

            I wish some people could read. I am all for finding the mythical 'Mr Right', I said so in my first post. MY point, based on life experience, after going to IVY league undergrad and graduate programs, a lot of my female friends were so caught up in climbing the career ladder, they did not leave themselves open to the possibility of finding MR Right for marraige or kids until the phD was done. Then at age 35 became really stresed out about fertility issues. I think this technology is wonderful, but the truth of the matter is I personally feel that we have ingrained in young educated women and men (advanced age in fathers is one of the strongest predictors of autism) to delay childbearing and we need to re evaluate that, You have your whole life to work, only a few to bear children healthily

    • Posted By: momforfour @ 05/06/2009 11:42:19 AM

      I agree with isis5632. I am also a woman who married and had children beginning in my early 20s. I'm in my early 40s now and just finishing my bachelors degree. I understand that not everyone meets "Mr. Right" at the same time in their lives, but I know too many people who put careers ahead of everything and everyone else. Being pregnant is harder on your body the older you get - even if you are in good shape. Older mothers have a higher incidence of babies born with Down Syndrome, etc. I often think it is selfish for an older couple to have children. Even though it could happen to anyone, older parents often don't live long enough to share in their childrens' lives. (If my parents were in their 60s when I graduated high school - what is the chance that they would still be live now?)

    • Posted By: momforfour @ 05/06/2009 11:41:52 AM

      I agree with isis5632. I am also a woman who married and had children beginning in my early 20s. I'm in my early 40s now and just finishing my bachelors degree. I understand that not everyone meets "Mr. Right" at the same time in their lives, but I know too many people who put careers ahead of everything and everyone else. Being pregnant is harder on your body the older you get - even if you are in good shape. Older mothers have a higher incidence of babies born with Down Syndrome, etc. I often think it is selfish for an older couple to have children. Even though it could happen to anyone, older parents often don't live long enough to share in their childrens' lives. (If my parents were in their 60s when I graduated high school - what is the chance that they would still be live now?)

  • Posted By: Karilor @ 05/06/2009 11:52:36 AM

    I'm not talking about whether one is ugly or not. I'm taking abaout the "I want it all, individualistic" mentality that makes it hard to find a mate in the first place. Women like this will end up raising their children alone anyway because their marriages are likely to fail. What a coincidence divorce rates are so high in this country: women who want it all at any cost, but are willing to sacrifice little maybe? If you're not ready to have a child in 20's, then you wait until your mid-30's and after that you have other options such as adoption. Oh, yes, but that's out of the question because, again, she puts her own conditions in regards to the GIFT of motherhood.

    • Posted By: Thoughtful_Commenter @ 05/06/2009 1:25:01 PM

      Karilor, I'm curious. How many single, never-married women (who are in their 20s or 30s) do you thoroughly know? There are a lot of kind, attractive, and intelligent women in this demographic who really don't like being a part of it. I'm one of these women. And I chose to freeze my eggs when I was in my early 30s, a decision that was driven by a cancer diagnosis and needing chemotherapy which could have rendered me infertile.

      Further, getting married in one's 20s should absolutely not be equated with reaching some level of perfection. The married people I know at this age are just as flawed as the singles.

      Your comments are very hurtful to someone like me.

      • Posted By: Karilor @ 05/06/2009 2:16:46 PM

        I know 2 women over 35 who are currently single and without a steady partner. And while both of them are professional, smart and georgeous women they also had dating issues throughout their lives. They are either too demanding of the qualities a person must have or immediately disregard anyone who doesn't have the same level of ambition. I don't mean to offend you or anybody but I fail to understand why so many women blame their single status or lack of motherhood in not having found "Mr. Right." I also think that in your case --and in those of all women diagnosed with serious illnesses that put at risk their fertility-- science's help is necessary. I also believe that if you want a child you should go for it without waiting for a person or, even better, become a parent for the millions of fatherless children through adoption

        • Posted By: vonda_7 @ 05/07/2009 10:06:02 AM

          Oh wow! So you know TWO women in their 30s who are single, independent, and successful; and you think this gives you license to generalize all women in this category? Really? Don't be ridiculous! Most women are not looking for Mr. Perfect or Brad Pitt. THey want some one who's decent and not a serial killer. I get tired of people assuming that the reason a woman hasn't found someone is because either she's not looking hard enough or her standards are too high. Like I said before, people are reading too much into this. The author's relationships have not worked out (and this doesn't have to be through a fault of hers). She obviously really wants to meet someone. Sometimes it's just not meant to be right now.

      • Posted By: Karilor @ 05/06/2009 2:09:32 PM

        • Posted By: Thoughtful_Commenter @ 05/06/2009 3:16:50 PM

          I agree that some women remain single because they only want high net worth Brad Pitt lookalikes, but this doesn't describe me or any single women I know. As for me, my wanting to marry a man who is kind, mature, responsible, and of excellent character makes me wise rather than picky in my opinion. I'm proud to say that I knew better than to stick with the liar or the mama's boy (things that were not obvious when I started dating them). I'm glad things have worked out for you, but meeting good men, unfair as it is, is not easy for a lot of women.

          Due to my diagnosis, I have to wait a few years before I attempt to become a biological parent. I'd love to adopt someday, too, married or not, but my having had cancer could make that difficult. For example, if I wanted to adopt internationally (domestic would be my first choice, although there is often more red tape), I would perhaps be barred in certain countries from doing so due to my health history.

    • Posted By: Thoughtful_Commenter @ 05/06/2009 1:20:36 PM

      Karilor, I'm curious. How many single, never-married women (who are in their 20s or 30s) do you thoroughly know? There are a lot of kind, attractive, and intelligent women in this demographic who really don't like being a part of it. I'm one of these women. And I chose to freeze my eggs when I was in my early 30s, a decision that was driven by a cancer diagnosis and needing chemotherapy which could have rendered me infertile.

      Further, getting married in one's 20s should absolutely not be equated with reaching some level of perfection. The married people I know at this age are just as flawed as the singles.

      Your comments are very hurtful to someone like me.

  • Posted By: OhioGal @ 05/07/2009 8:42:33 AM

    I much prefer the idea of freezing eggs over freezing embryos. If eggs are abandoned or unneeded, there isn't the ethical dilemma over what to do with them. I wish that couples undergoing infertility treatments would also consider fertilizing only some eggs to become embryos and to save the rest as eggs. This would also help fertility clinics who have the problem of storing abandoned embryos and don't know what to do with them.

  • Posted By: tombucko @ 05/07/2009 2:54:50 AM

    This goes against common sense and nature. There are good, natural reasons why women are less fertile as they age. Too many are sold on vanity-oriented services cater to the whims of the affluent and self-centered. Are we becoming a bunch of Frankensteins? In the long run the victims are the children and ultimately society.

  • Posted By: mrsheppreid @ 05/06/2009 10:53:00 PM

    First off I must say after reading this artilce it is kind of cool that you can have that done. But for someone that is this age and have not found Mr.Prerfect they need to stop and realize that there is no perfect man. Every man have his flaw. Cause no one on earth is perfect. Now what she need to do is look at herself and say what am i doing to not get a man. Trust me there are some good guys out there you just have to find them may it be young meaning 20's or old in the 40's you take your pick. Maybe you need to lighten up and enjoy life and someone will come to you just before you know it.

  • Posted By: sunshinydayz @ 05/06/2009 9:27:49 PM

    Thank you for writing this wonderful article. We need more brave women like you discussing egg freezing. I am a divorced 40 year old woman who is in the process of stimulating my egg follicles for egg freezing. I am scheduled to retrieve my eggs this Sunday on MOTHER's Day!!

  • Posted By: sunshinydayz @ 05/06/2009 9:24:32 PM

    Thank you for writing this wonderful article. We need more brave women like you out there discussing egg freezing. I just turned 40 years old, I am divorced and I am currently taking the hormones to stimulate my egg follicle growth for egg freezing. My egg's are expected to be retrieved this weekend on MOTHER's Day!!

  • Posted By: almedoz @ 05/06/2009 3:18:10 PM

    I'm finding all of these "selfish" comments interesting. It's selfish to want a biological child of your own, it's selfish to delay childbirth, it's selfish to use a sperm donor and be a single mom, it's selfish to want a career and children too, etc. Face it: unless you are acting as a surrogate and giving up a child after birth, wanting/having a child is *always* a selfish act. You (and your partner) are doing it for self-fulfillment, not for any noble purpose.

    The UN-selfishness starts the first night home from the hospital...

    • Posted By: cuppajava @ 05/06/2009 4:06:23 PM

      I think I just ranted out exactly what you said here so eloquently---it is a desire to have children, not an obligation.

  • Posted By: cuppajava @ 05/06/2009 3:56:50 PM

    Wait, Rachel Lehmann-Haupt is 'selfish" because she wants to have her own biological child with a partner she loves? Stop the presses, someone put her in a zoo because she is WEIRD. Parents who moralize like this are insufferable. You cannot call the author selfish because you yourself were thinking of yourselves when you decided to have a child. Unless you are a Vulcan and are overcome by some animalistic, overwhelming impulse to procreate every few years, you made the calculated decision to have a baby. That's what most parents say: I "want" to have kids and condemn others for not making all the "sacrifices" they made---well, heck, in that case Ms. Lehmann-Haupt should have just dropped out of school and married some random guy with a decent job the first chance she got. What an awesome solution to a complex and nuanced situation.

  • Posted By: Donna09 @ 05/06/2009 3:18:16 PM

    Only when egg freezing becomes I reliable technology will women catch up with men economically. The fact that women must devote enormous amounts of energy to balancing work and family sets them back. And I absolutely do not mean to imply that there are not fathers out there who are doing tremendous jobs with child care. Nor do ai mean to imply that taking time to raise children is not worth it. Only that men have the option to have heir own biological children well into their 40's and 50's, or later, and so have the luxury of putting career first, as many career driven men do. Why shouldn't women have the choice? I absolutely do not believe that it is selfish to (1) want to wait to have children with Mr. Right, so that your children do not have to suffer through a divorce, (2) to want your own biological children (how many men or women in the prime of their productive years chose adoption over having their own children - I can think of one and (3) to want to raise a child when you are secure, both financially and other wise in your job so that you are comfortable taking the time necessary to stay home with your child.

    Society absolutely will evolve in this direction.

  • Posted By: access @ 05/06/2009 2:18:35 PM

    The discussion of fertility, including natural birth vs surrogacy is a heated discussion among women, especially surrogacy. Surrogacy being egg donor and uterus, or uterus with biological egg and sperm from bio. couple, or just egg donor to bio uterus. It gets pretty complicated both physically, ethically and monetarily. As a women, I would NEVER, NEVER give up a child for adoption. I would however have no problem in carrying another child that is not mine (a donor egg and sperm) for the biological parents for a price. I would have no problem in charging a huge premium to women, who want it all., but who CHOOSE to put off childbearing for selfish reasons. Get real, a women's body is not meant to bear children successfully past 35. For those who wait, I say too bad, pay up, or adopt if!

  • Posted By: irishny2003 @ 05/06/2009 12:20:36 PM

    I think that we need to get over the sense of entitlement where children are concerned, we don't get everything we want. I am not say that she chose to postpone children for a career, I understand that is not her object and that she is acting responsibly and in the best interest of the future child in wanting to wait to be in a two parent stable environment. But fertility is something that is biologically determined by nature, we are not discussing curing a disease. Our bodies are designed that we become unfertile at certain point in our lives when the body is less likely to be able to produce a healthy child and a healthy mother. Yes many women do conceive and have health babies later in life but it is a fact that as you age the risk to both baby and mother increases significantly. Also the impact of miscarriage, emotionally and physically should not be underrated. It is a heartbreaking thing to go through and this process increases the risk. You are working against nature in an unnecessary fight. There are so many ???unwanted??? children. I think that adoption is the better answer for those unable to conceive, and before everyone comments about how you want you "own" children, I get it, I do. My sister is completely unable to have biological children. They chose to adopt and that baby is her "own". It is a difficult and expensive process but so are children. If you aren???t willing to go through it, are you really ready to be a parent, cause it doesn't get any easier. Think of it as your labor pains.

    • Posted By: HappyAttorneyMom @ 05/06/2009 2:05:48 PM

      "Fertility is something determined by nature"

      So, I guess people with vision problems shouldn't wear glasses, people whose hearing deteriorates should not wear a hearing aid, people with crooked teeth should not wear braces and diabetics should not be provided with insulin.

    • Posted By: smileydi @ 05/06/2009 12:49:22 PM

      I am sure that the author did not plan to be in her 30's and not married. Sure she could have chosen to just get pregnant whether married or not and today's society would have thought nothing of it. But since she chose to do something that is not as acceptable yet people think they can criticize her choice. So if technology offers her the opportunity to freeze her eggs and she can afford it then good for her and any other person that chooses this path. Infertility is a disease and if someone with any other illness can seek medical intervention without criticism then why can't women freeze their eggs??

      Adoption is not always easy. In fact, my friend has been on a waiting list for adoption for two years and others have been close to adopting then it falls through for whatever reason. Not to mention that adoption is very costly as well. Although nothing is guaranteed in life I would rather give it a shot with my own eggs and if that doesn't work then move on to other options...

  • Posted By: x6132003 @ 05/06/2009 1:22:30 PM

    I am Mr. Right if you are Mrs. Right. Kids are easy, I have two. Six is fine with me. But you have to be Mrs. Right. Yes yes yes, I get it. It took me a while, but I do get it. We have to be in love love love. Yes there must be clear communication lines between us, but all the communication difficulties go away when there is a deeper connectivity between us. The deeper we go, the easier we speak without words and our words will have more meaning and love and happiness will grow, not wane. Can you connect with me? Can I connect with you? Do we bring meaning to our lives? Do we bring meaning to one another? Can I make you feel as if you matter in this big bad world and can you do the same for me? I do not know, nor do you until we meet. Where is my Mrs. Right? If by the serendipitous law of destiny or luck or statistical mathematics you see me and I see you then all is right and we illuminate together. If not, then life just goes on and on and on .... I am hotmail or yahoo by the same name above. Take your pick. I hope to talk to you soon and be patient. Vince

  • Posted By: maud123 @ 05/06/2009 12:54:41 PM

    In todays world, we have many options and it is up to us as individuals to decide whats right for us. Everyone is entitled to their own opinioin and decisions, if one decides to do something against the norm, its frowned upon and judged considerably. I say, do what your gut feeling tells you. As a single woman, I would consider freezing my eggs. That seems a more viable option then sitting at home, twiddling my fingers and waiting for Mr. Right to come knocking. Reality of today's society makes me think like this and thats my opinion.

  • Posted By: FASherman @ 05/06/2009 11:07:28 AM

    This is ridiculous. Children aren't a "right", they're a gift. They aren't an option, they are a priority. If your life priorities are so out of skew with what it takes to find a mate and develop a stable family life in which to bring a child, then you shouldn't have one to begin with.

    This is pure selfishness, an "I want it all" mentality. The same reasons you don't make having a child a priority now are the very same reasons that you won't be able to make properly raising a child a priority later.

    Wow. Someone almost got it right in an earlier comment. Next you find a sperm donor then a surrogate. After the baby is born, a wet nurse and a nanny. Then shuffle the baby off to prep school where the headmaster will raise him.

    • Posted By: bellissima @ 05/06/2009 12:48:31 PM

      FA Sherman, am sure u r on Food Stamps and stay home mom with no career. Women are indipendent now, education, professional, money and why not wait and take advantage of the new technology. You have to be ready financially and emotionally before u having a child, otherwise u end un in welfare.

    • Posted By: vonda_7 @ 05/06/2009 11:25:00 AM

      You know people keep saying FIND A MATE, FIND A MATE, FIND A MATE; well, obviously the author wants to do that VERY MUCH!!! I mean, if she's putting herself out there and she haven't found someone she wants to share her life with, then WHAT DO YOU WANT HER TO DO??!!! SETTLE?? and then what, in she have kids only to have to raise them alone? Like I said before, from the article you can't tell if she would have prioritized kids had she met her Mr. Right earlier. So you can't say that she chose career over kids. We don't know that from this article!!!

  • Posted By: karelys @ 05/06/2009 12:42:06 PM

    wow, this is crazy. I come from a very very traditional mexican cultural environment. Women are expected to stay a virgin until the wedding night and it is not even a thing to discuss; it just happens, no one is surprised by it. I asked my mom once while chopping onions "so, did you have sex before you got married?"

    mom: "yuck! no!"...." but I did planned on leaving town and getting pregnant if I became older and couldn't get married because I didn't find the right person. Later, maybe come back. Or just raise the baby on my own."

    She and my dad got married when they both were 26 which is very late for our culture. I was born a year later. I am amazed by her way of thinking. Where she's from it is a big shame to have a baby wthout a dad. But she didn't care. She had her career in her pocket, she was confident, and even if she had to walk the walk of shame she wouldn't sacrifice having a family ... or a baby in this instance.

    I think that even if I had been a bastard child, with such a way of thinking I would have grown up to be the same stiff-necked and confident person I am right now. Maybe she softened up once she got married because she got someone to protect her. But I got a soft heart after her.

  • Posted By: Mrs. N @ 05/06/2009 11:34:11 AM

    I really hate the "every child is a gift" response. No they're not. If they were, why the hell do I get so pissed seeing struggling families trying to have a baby but morons on welfare spitting them out like candy? I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this way.

    I can see both sides to this article but in the end, these are the types of people who should be parents in the first place. People who think so much about the sacredness of having a child that they are willing to do what they can to preserve it. FA Sherman, I really don't believe that these will be the types of people who just ship off their kids to boarding school. Instead, these will be the parents who spend more time with their children because they've already gotten through their selfish phases and are now willing and financially ready to take that step to bring up a child.

    I don't think it's simply "wanting to have it all". I think it's people realizing that the longer they wait, the better off their chances are of being able to raise their children properly.

    • Posted By: bellissima @ 05/06/2009 12:38:33 PM

      Mrs. N, well said, I agree with u 100%.

  • Posted By: Digital_Dad_NY @ 05/06/2009 12:36:42 PM

    society has run amok... the selfishness in these comments is overwhelming...hardly anyone cares about family values anymore...was actully nice to see a few commemts from peopel who do... hey ?? When these cryogenic "Moms" go to sperm bank to fertilize their frozen eggs do they get a free toaster for opening an account ???

  • Posted By: Cindy Lou @ 05/06/2009 11:24:12 AM

    This is a wonderful thing to do. As a woman, it simply keeps your options open in an uncertain world. I wish this technology had been there for me. I didn't find Mr. Right until later in life, we married when I was 36 years old and immediately tried to have a family. After failed natural attempts along with about 4 failed IUI attempts, we resorted to IVF. I was told that due to my high FSH I was in ovarian reserve stage which means I have depletd my supply of healthy eggs and the chances of getting pregnant with IVF was about 10%. I am now 41 and childless. I can't help but wonder what might have happend if I had been able to freeze my eggs at the age of 34, when I had asked my OB about it. However at the time, unless those eggs were fertilized I wouldn't be able to freeze them. In hind sight, I wish I would have used the technology available at the time and went through with freezing embryos even though they would have been fertilized eggs with the help of an unknown donor. When you are faced with the reality that you may never conceive a child of your own, a comprimise is a blessing.

    • Posted By: embryologist @ 05/06/2009 12:27:30 PM

      Freezing your eggs at the age of 35 may still noy have done you any good. The problem with this technology is that it preserves the fertility at the stage it was at the time of the freezing. It does not repair poor fertility and a lot of people think that 35 is the right age to freeze and preserve, but it isn't. Lets be honest, if you really are going to think that you can find the right guy, settle down and have a family the normal way then most people are not going to give up on that dream much before they get into their 30's. A lot of your eggs are going to be too poor by the time that you get round to freezing - for example 8 mature out of 35, which is not a great maturity rate at all, although that could also have been a product of the overstimulation. If you get under 10 eggs for a fresh cycle of IVF to be inseminated and transferred you are on the lower ranges of sucess, and lets be honest, the freeze/thaw survival rate is going to be less than 100%, so is the fertilization rate and the embryo development rate. From only 8 eggs, most people will be liucky to have enough embryos to get a transfer, let alone get pregnant and have a live birth out of the deal. There is also the risks of pregnancy associated with older maturnal age - if you are 35-38 when you are not ready, how old are you going to be when you are ready, and will your body be able to cope with the pregnancy as well as looking after a child if you are lucky enough to get one.

      This is a great technology that is not ready for prime time just yet as a preservation of fertility. It is being offereed to people by shrewd marketing people who know how to make a fast buck and make it well. yes, some people are going to get pregnant, but most of them are not. It is a better option to preserve fertility for cancer or surgery patients, but even then there are no guarantees. The best chance of actually getting pregnant from a frozen cycle right now is to cut your losses and decide upon a sperm donor and freeze embryos.

      face the facts - people cannot have absolutely everything that they want, you can't put off time and have a child after you have got your life out of the way first, you have got to make some decisions. They are not all going to be easy ones - face it, nothing is easy in life. It is easier for those with money, but money cannot just buy fertility at any age.

  • Posted By: owlspiritwoman @ 05/06/2009 12:25:33 PM

    Call me selfish but if I wanted a child I would have one with or without a committed relationship. In my first marriage I thought I had a committed relationship and found out I didn't after the four children. Any way like my mother used to say, can't count on a relationship being forever so go for it while you can.

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