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After all, aren't we all more odd than we are normal? And aren't so many of us one bad experience away from a mental-health diagnosis that could potentially limit us? Aren't "normal" minds now struggling with questions of competence, consistency or sincerity? Icarus is likewise asking why we are so keen to correct every little deficit—it argues that we instead need to embrace the range of human existence.

While some critics might view Icaristas as irresponsible, their skepticism about drugs isn't entirely unfounded. Lately, a number of antipsychotic drugs have been found to cause some troubling side effects.

There are, of course, questions as to whether mad pride and Icarus have gone too far. While to his knowledge no members have gravely harmed themselves (or others), Hall acknowledges that not everyone can handle the Icarus approach. "People can go too fast and get too excited about not using medication, and we warn people against throwing their meds away, being too ambitious and doing it alone," he says.

But is this stance the answer? Jonathan Stanley, a director of the Treatment Advocacy Center, a nonprofit working to provide treatment for the mentally ill, is somewhat critical. Stanley, who suffers from bipolar illness with psychotic features, argues that medication is indispensable for people with bipolar disease or with schizophrenia. Stanley's group also supports mandatory hospitalization for some people suffering severe mental illness—a practice that Icarus calls "forced treatment."

Scholars like Peter Kramer, author of "Listening to Prozac" and "Against Depression," also take a darker view of mental extremes. "Psychotic depression is a disease," Kramer says. As the intellectual who helped to popularize the widespread use of antidepressants, Kramer is nonetheless enthusiastic about Icarus as a community for mad pride. Yet he still argues that mental-health diagnoses are very significant. "In an ideal world, you'd want good peer support like Icarus—for people to speak up for what's right for them and have access to resources—and also medication and deep-brain stimulation," he says.

For his part, Hall remains articulate, impassioned and unmedicated. He lives independently, in an apartment with a roommate in Oregon, where he is getting a master's in psychology at a psychoanalytic institute. He maintains a large number of friendships, although his relationships, he says, are rather tumultuous.

Nevertheless, it's not so easy. Hall periodically descends into dreadful mental states. He considers harming himself or develops paranoid fantasies about his colleagues and neighbors. Occasionally, he thinks that plants are communicating with him. (Though in his mother's Native American culture, he points out, this would be valued as an ability to communicate with the spirit world.)

On another night, I had dinner with eight Icarus members at a Thai restaurant in midtown Manhattan. Over Singha beer, they joked about an imaginary psychoactive medication called Sustain, meant to cure "activist burnout." It was hard to imagine at the dinner what Hall had suffered. While he and his "mad" allies were still clearly outsiders, they had taken their suffering and created from it an all-too-rare thing: a community.

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  • Posted By: news_editor @ 11/24/2009 5:01:05 PM

    But if you read any more of this, know this, I am not a scientologist, not one to not give my kids their vacinations if I think they will help them and my kids vaccinations are up to date, I am a person that has struggled with some severe struggles my whole life, I have studied my whole life both professionally and personally, and I have lived a lot of life my whole life, I know what I am talking about, I am well educated, I have done more off these drugs than most of these people might ever on or off these drugs given the circumstances and situations that I have had to deal with while doing it, okay? These drugs are really bad things and they do make a lot of people do some really bad things too and I hate them, but I hate people that like to try to play god when they aren't too!

  • Posted By: news_editor @ 11/24/2009 4:55:15 PM

    I won't give any more to you all, I know that the questions that I have asked here can not nor will not probably ever be answered in any scientifically conclusive manner and that lots of people are in jails over mostly the same pills prescribed so called legally and that they have caused suicides, homocides, and other deaths and jailings so go figure that is enough from me

  • Posted By: news_editor @ 11/24/2009 4:52:20 PM

    News editor- I am bipolar- take legal meds to treat it and have never taken illegal drugs in my almost 33 years. Newdoc17 is soo right. We who truly have mental illnesses can't hold jobs (keep husbands, boyfriends, friends, do much of anything else) without our meds. Do get real, such assumptions truly make you look like a bad editor.

    You are an absolute liar, people that have had some serious problems in their lives and been labeled can do anything that they set their minds to without the drugs with the right opportunities in life and the right resources, that doesn't require a pill does it, and no you don't have to take it and it is no different if you call it a legal pill or they call me taking it an illegal pill okay?

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