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Recovery? What Recovery?

Why entrepreneurs aren't so optimistic about the economy.

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  • Posted By: Bizsavings @ 10/08/2009 3:37:42 PM

    Small business owners must remain positive and optimistic. By cutting costs where possible, small business owners can redirect funds towards marketing and customer loyalty programs. It's difficult to accurately project how long things will be this way, but the economy will recover, so holding on is a must. The Discount Business Association provides free support for small businesses to include free marketing materials, free business resources and a business success blog. http://discountbusinessassociation.com Don't quit, use social marketing and low cost methods to grow your business.

  • Posted By: Dr.Phillips @ 10/02/2009 4:18:58 PM

    There is a great truthful article in Today's NY Times by Paul Krugman, Mission Not Accomplished, a superb piece. Thanks to him for pulling the cover off such buzz phrases as "many shoots." Shoots and sprouts with 52 percent unemployment, among youth,Fresno California farm owners and workers facing unemployment at the 40 percent level do not make a recovery and fail to support a mission accomplished, and irrational braggadocio that is incomprehensible to understand.

    The data summaries Krugman presented is the true reality. It contrasts with the various spins being placed upon a dying national economic performance. Two trillion in lost production, employment and growth may be just the beginning. The soothsayers remind me of President Hoover's comment in 1932 that "hobos are eating well, in fact one had ten meals in a single day, or people are giving up their jobs preferring to make more selling apples."

    The complacency he refers to can be found everywhere. I recently read about a Republican potential candidate for the presidency in 2012. The thrust of the article included his assembly of a strong team of technology, major players and big party officials. I searched this candidate's profile for a simple action statement to address the under and unemployed without income in this nation. He could have at least thought out of the box and made a few suggestions like;

    * Elimination or reduction of state corporate taxes through increase of jobs in states, thus providing payroll tax growth, which has been unavailable this past year, through new jobs,

    * Establishment of a strong jobs now, task force composed of corporate CEO''s, economists, bankers, workers, state officials and other designated individuals, which exists solely for the express purpose of job creation-restoration,

    * Establishment of a strategic plan for growth in American jobs, including recent high school/college graduates, over the next three years, with measurable targets and objectives.

    * Development of a reporting system to the American people listing the number of jobs created, their location, their occupational emphasis, and a list of companies hiring. on a monthly basis.

    The time is long overdue for this administration, the congress, and the nation to focus on the main problem, the true elephant in the room. We need jobs in America now, the nation's economy is at risk of being destroyed, let us make this priority one ahead of, Olympics, cap and trade, healthcare reform. let's fix this dying economy with its massive job losses. It still is the economy, we need these jobs now more than ever but a complacency which has promoted a lack of rationality is preventing a solution. I agree with Krugman, The Mission is not accomplished.

    Dr. Phillips
    Bloomington, IL

    Posted by: Dr. Alan Phillips | October 02, 2009 at 08:22 AM

  • Posted By: drjalee52 @ 09/11/2009 12:49:58 AM

    Although things appear deem, we most approach the present and future with a positive attitude. I am 54 and have lived through some rather challenging times. Change is so rapid. The computer has changed my world and contacts. We sleep while others work. There are huge cultural differences but I learned that business is a form of war. We must simply push forward; rain or snow. PUSH NOW!

  • Posted By: der10968 @ 08/30/2009 11:47:37 PM

    You get up close to entrepreneurs, it is easy to understand why they are not optimistic about the recovery. One retailer whose business of 35 years has been completely cut off from credit still have an home equity line of credit. He has taken $100,000 and put it into his business to keep it going through the upcoming holidays. If he does not have a great selling season, he closes his doors January 1, 2010. How can you be optimistic in times like these?

    Ron D

    http://www.start-a-business-faq.com

  • Posted By: MichaelX @ 06/30/2009 9:41:04 AM

    Who are these SB entrepreneurs? Certainly not Americans. More foreign born people get rubber stamped by the SBA for local neighborhood businesses that only cater to their own kind. Cheap is as cheap does, and we are assaulted by products that these "entrepreneurs" ship here from every hole in the world. We are a dump. Oh, it's just fair trade? We have more calamitous situations occuring daily because of these so-called entrepreneurs polluting us with garbage.
    Could I obtain this ability easily? No, I am an American, and do not qualify for the assitance that I pay taxes for, and have been steadily ground down to the bare minimum to survive. I will fight back. BOYCOTT any and all foreign owned business, and refuse to help support the scum that are raping America.

  • Posted By: SaenYim @ 05/23/2009 11:33:05 PM

    True entrepreneurs know where to look to find opportunity when times get tough. We started a company in Thailand five years ago and are always adding new business divisions. Two years ago we started a residential security division and are now selling off branch offices to people looking to invest in Thailand. We also have the distributorship for an environmentally friendly insecticide and are selling Exclusive Master Distributorships in the south of Thailand. Just giving up because things are getting a little more difficult is not something a real entrepreneur does.

  • Posted By: marco m polo @ 05/21/2009 8:43:12 AM

    On May 20, the Fed revised its optimistic forcast downword with murky words about the future purchase of more toxic assets from unspecified financial institutions. The government greatfully accepted the return of bailout money from several major banks while Geithner reacted sharply to contradict a senator's assertion that returned funds couldn't be used again. Could it be that "some Federal Reserve/Treasury," needs that repaid money badly to continue bailing. Since the Fed won't disclose the identity of banks getting bailout money, we really don't know the full extent of the meltdown in terms of its effect on finanacial institutions. Could it be much worse than we know? Marco M Polo

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 05/15/2009 10:31:58 AM

    THERE IS NO RECOVERY !

    GOVERNMENT LIES WON'T CHANGE REALITY.

    PRICES ON FOOD PRODUCTS ARE RISING MORE AND MORE; YET, THE GOVERNMENT SAID THEY WERE DECREASING.

    PRICES ON HOME FUEL WHICH WERE SKY ROCKETING THIS PAST WINTER HAVE DECLINED ; YET, THEY ARE STILL WAY ABOVE WHERE THEY WERE A YEAR AGO.

    HOME PRICES HAVE DECLINED NATIONALLY ABOUT 20 % ? THEN WHY DO REAL ESTATE TAXES SHOW A 1% DECREASE AT THE SAME TIME MUNICIPLE GOVERNMENTS ARE RAISING LAND VALUES ABOUT 4 % ?

    HOME TAXES ARE GOING UP.

    IF I SOLD APPLES LAST YEAR FOR .25 CENTS EACH AND THEN RAISED THE PRICE TO FOUR DOLLARS EACH THIS PAST WINTER; THEN I REDUCE THE PRICE TO TWO DOLLARS EACH IN APRIL ---------- DO YOU FEEL BETTER ?

    THE GOVERNMENT WANTS YOU TO SEE UNTRUTH AS TRUTH.

    IF PEOPLE ARE STILL LOSING JOBS BUT THE NUMBERS ARE SLOWING A LITTLE; THERE STILL IS A PROBLEM.

    TO THOSE WHO LOST THEIR JOBS OR HAVE LEARNED THEY WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS ---------- YOUR PROBLEMS ARE REAL.

  • Posted By: memo2 @ 05/15/2009 8:49:01 AM

    Because is no Recovery and will be no Recovery we just are been wash our brains, and our National Debt will be triple next year and we are no longer eligible in near future for receive retirement benefits because they will be bery exhaust untill all will be broke 401 K , is at risk we are no longer a Nation to produce and sell because no body buy from us any more we don't have any revenue we only make rich other's, like China who make the deal to export only from china and most of the US factory's are at the other side of our border !. if most people know about this why we let this happen is obvious this administration are no competent for this kind of situation my concern is our family's what is going to happen and some people will find they selfs in a desperate situation honest I don't see any samall light at this tunnel and the only solutions from this administration will take months suppose to be work ? I don't think so nice speeches but no action !........

  • Posted By: Native New Yorker @ 05/11/2009 11:34:12 AM

    The Obama administration is exacerbating the entire situtation with egregious budgets and out of control spending. There appears to be no fiscal responsibility in Washington DC - only ROTTEN BLOATED PORK and political payback. We are witnessing "community organizing" on a national scale.. Obama's "chicago-street thug" policies and black mail are destroying our economy system and erasing any hope for recovery. This man is clueless and leading Ameriica down an extremely destructive path. I fear for this country for the first time in my life and place the blame squarely on the Democrates and Obama.

    • Posted By: Snowleopard_NW @ 05/13/2009 4:27:47 PM

      Naive New Yorker: Consumer and Business spending has fallen through the flow. The only thing keeping the economy for going into a death spiral at this point is government spending and rescue programs. To start slashing spending right now in the middle of this crisis would be catastrophic, because it would only add to the rate of market contraction, sending us into a great depression type scenario.

      BTW, it's completely hypocritical for you conservatives to start yelling about deficits after bush doubled the national debt during his two terms.

  • Posted By: Omnius @ 05/11/2009 1:33:09 PM

    Try having some patience Kevin, Obama does not have a magic wand that he can use to turn around our bushwacked economy overnight and neither does anyone else. It took 28 years for Raygunz's VooDoo Tinkle Down Economics to wreck our economy and it will take time to recover from the Raygunz, Bush, Bush National Debt. Our economy is going to shrink permanently because America has to overcome it's addiction to easy cheap credit. It took a long time to wreck our economy and it will take a long time for it to recover. First thing we need to do is get rid of that worthless outsourcing jobs tax credit and put in it's place a job creation tax credit for here in the USA. Patience!

    • Posted By: Snowleopard_NW @ 05/13/2009 4:22:51 PM

      Omnius, good points. For all the conservative's bitching about the national debt, none of them will acknowledge that it was Regan's excessive tax-cuts that started us down that dangerous path of deficit spending. Bush senior, a rare moderate/pragmatic republican, saw the mess that Regan created, and had to raise taxes to set the budget back on course. Clinton often gets too much of the credit for balancing the budget, but for a large part it was also Bush senior and the republican majority that got us their too. But you're right, Obama's policies do need time to take effect, and for right now, the spending is justified so as to prevent an economic Armageddon.

    • Posted By: ajaxson12 @ 05/11/2009 4:48:43 PM

      really, Looks like you may have missed one. Clinton. His 8 years of wonder making living off all the hard work of republicans and setting us up for years of failure. Your clueless, Obama is clueless and so is the media. get a clue then participate or just let the adults do the problem solving and you can go back to your nap waiting on the Obama check to come in the mail. By the way it's not coming.

  • Posted By: John Dough @ 05/09/2009 10:37:10 AM

    The economy is showing early signs of a recovery. Recessions begin and end with the housing market. Housing sales are slowly moving up and this began in December. The economy however is not recovering due to Obama's stimulus package because most of that money hasn't even been spent yet. The economy is recovering because like all recessions they are cyclical and this one is ever so slowly ending. If Obama had cut business, corporate and income taxes instead of borrowing over a trillion dollars for make work projects that create temporary jobs that will not be sustained the economy would be recovering faster. In fact if cap and trade passes kiss most manufacturing jobs in this country good bye except for extremely high tech jobs. A recent study also concluded that the green jobs Obama is promising likely won't materialize and if they do green job tracking in Spain shows for every green job created two other jobs are lost. Obama is clearly a socialist/marxist in thinking based on his current policies and it is time to be worried about all the federal control he is putting in place that ultimately will lead to federal control over private business, corporations, and our lives.

    • Posted By: Snowleopard_NW @ 05/13/2009 4:15:47 PM

      John, I try to be really open to different points of view, but you really sound like a puppet for the republican party. Please, turn of the right wing talk and start thinking for yourself. Best of luck.

    • Posted By: mikemusa1 @ 05/11/2009 11:36:02 PM

      You mean well but are like a puppet re-hashing what is fed to you by the media everyday... Sheep talk... - Sorry

    • Posted By: mlth @ 05/11/2009 11:58:22 AM

      I might not agreee with everything you have said, but I do feel that you are right on the recovery of the economy. Our current economic problems is like a fairly good cut. It will heal with time all on its own, but it does not need major surgery which is what this stimulus package is and unneeded. This major surgery will be long and painful, a pain that generations to come will feel.

      I am extremely unhappy with the state of affairs in Washington on both sides. It might be time for a new party to form that really is for the people and gives much thought to what they do and how it will truly effect us all.

      I live in Columbus, Oh and the Prez was here for the graduation of the new police class. The stimulus package will see that the salaries will be paid thru this year's end. And where is our mayor to find the funds to pay their salaries after that? This is all such a joke and a very expensive one at that.

      I wish I could understand what the thinking is on all of this.

  • Posted By: niphtrique @ 05/12/2009 8:51:19 AM

    First we have to identify the root cause of the problems we are in, which is usury and credit. Usury is the charging of interest on money. Credit is the creation of money out of nothing.

    The charging of interest is the way to slavery. This is because people may be hoarding money for a rainy day. When more people do this simultaneously, money is removed from circulation, weakening the economy. When this happens, even more people will start hoarding money, because they expect times getting worse. This is the beginning of an economic crisis. Many people will lose their income, and if they do not have money, they must borrow money against interest for unavoidable expenses such as food. As a result, the situation becomes even worse.

    Credit and interest on money make it possible for an economy to grow above potential during a boom phase. In the boom phase investors add leverage using credit which further intensifies the boom, creating shortages of materials and labour resulting in rising prices. Interest on money entices banks to lend money to leveraged investors during the boom phase. Credit makes it possible to create money out of thin air, which further enables the banks to fuel the boom. When the cycle turns into bust, investors start to deleverage, which further intensifies the bust, creating surplusses of materials and labour resulting in falling prices. What most economists do not see, is that credit and interest on money are the root causes of economic booms and busts.

    It is possible to achieve a much greater prosperity, with maximum capital growth without inflation, large debts, economic crises, unproductive government intervention and the unproductive part of the financial sector. Natural selection will ultimately determine the most efficient economic system, despite the political power structures that still exist at this moment. The investigation of alternatives and dissemination of knowledge will accelerate this process, but the ultimate outcome will not change. The most efficient monetary system is based on money with a hoarding fee combined with banning of credit and the charging of interest on money.

    The theory is described here:
    http://www.naturalmoney.org/short.html
    http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html

    This is not a joke because famous economists and scientists did see this too:
    http://www.naturalmoney.org/gift.html

    Also there is a conversion plan to the new system and a plan to build a sustainable future using this system:
    http://www.naturalmoney.org/conversionplan.html
    http://www.naturalmoney.org/buildfuture.html

    I hope you like it. You do not have to agree with all of it to find it interesting.

    • Posted By: Snowleopard_NW @ 05/13/2009 4:13:22 PM

      Interesting post. I agree with a lot of it. I don't believe that credit should be totally done away with, but if the fed interest rates were substantially raised, it could be discouraged more, and they should never let it drop below about 3--5%, anyway, because at that point dropping interest rates doesn't do much as good for their monetary policy.

  • Posted By: Snowleopard_NW @ 05/13/2009 4:04:35 PM

    We are not the end of history, and this current incarnation of capitalism is not the best of possible systems. There will always be some type of market-based system, but the system as we know it has some fundamental flaws. But we must question some of our assumptions if we're going to shift over to a more sustainable system.

    Firstly, the trickle-down theory of capitalism is a myth. Wealth instead trickles up, with those with the least skills, education, or resources being forced to beg for scraps. The top 10% of the population now owns about 90% of the wealth, while the bottom half owns less that ones percent. The only time that this gap has been this extreme was right before the great depression. Every society needs some kind of public works programs to utilize the those who remain unemployed by the private sector.

    Secondly, the wealth that's created in this system is often "Phantom Wealth", or just an inflation bubble, where the price of assets increase without any creation of additional value. During the housing bubble for instance, the price of homes rose by a staggering amount. While this may have been good for a single homeowner, across the entire system it just made affording a home that much more expensive for everyone else.

    The excessive amount of credit in the system is largely to blame for asset bubbles. If too many people can take on debt too easily, it just drives up prices across the board, and it ultimately gives too much power to the banks since we become indebted to them. Debt will eventually suck all the wealth out of the lower and middle class. Fed interest rates need to be driven back up to levels that will discourage borrowing and encourage savings.

    When the credit bubble popped, the market wanted to devalue any highly leveraged assets. Deflation never works as smoothly as inflation though, and inherently is associated with layoffs, foreclosures, and bankruptcies. Once this cycle begins, it's too easy for it to slip into a systematic collapse. A common response to this problem is to try re-inflating the credit bubble, but this over-leveraging of debt is what got us into this mess in the first place. A better approach is to inject money into the system that not based on credit, in the form of Keynesian stimulus. If the money supply increases at the same rate that credit decreases, there isn't any problem of inflation or deflation, and society can shift off of it's over-reliance upon credit.

  • Posted By: paulkimelman @ 05/12/2009 2:12:01 PM

    During this period of a recovery, there is a lag effect of companies who tried to hold on, but needed an ever bigger upturn to survive (sort of like retailers hoping to hold on through x-mas). This is normal.
    You do not speak for all small businesses whatsoever. I think many are seeing good signs of recovery. Recovery means improved retail, followed by improved pull through distribution, and finally pull through manufacturers (who see a big time lag). Employment also tends to lag, as most companies will not hire (back) people until they are sure they are back on solid ground. Likewise expendable expenses such as marketing firms and ads and new equipment and so on.

  • Posted By: The Messiah @ 05/12/2009 12:14:47 PM

    The last few weeks when I have driven by the local McDonald's at breakfast and lunch times, they have had no more than 2-3 cars on the premises and those could be employees vehicles? Anyone who doesn't believe the U.S. is in an economic depression is in for one Helluva surprise.

  • Posted By: Zhang Shuling @ 05/12/2009 10:30:09 AM

    Are you a economist? i guess you must be . What can theories do facing such a depressed situation? If they can, we will never encounter such peoblems at all . But unfortunedly, people are always assaulted by unexpected misfortunes. Theories, theories, can theories keep abreast with the abrupt changes of the world? Impossible!

  • Posted By: Zhang Shuling @ 05/12/2009 1:42:29 AM

    The current business downturn warns that market economy could bring severe and disastrous consequences to enterprises , and to the country if it goes out of control. Of course, i don't mean, Planned economy is more powerful but the reasonable combination and prompt coordination of the two is indispensable for the heathly development of a country. This is a world-wide problem, so only one or two countries which take the combination seriously are not encough. Globalisation connects all the countries as a unit, therefore, i recommed stronly that a powerful and reliable organisation should be set up to help coodinate all the countries to get rid of the crisis. Wait? Wait? Wait passively?

  • Posted By: democat @ 05/11/2009 11:33:10 AM

    Maybe I'm wrong, but in reading these comments, it seems a lot of people want the economy to continue to suffer just in order for their political beliefs to be proven true. That appears to be the case with some people on both extremes. The far left says things like "The govt only bails out the big guys", while the far right says "Let the big guys fail like the rest of us". Neither side looks deep enough to fathom how bad massive corporate failures would be to the long-term economic priospects of the country. It's as if they think that continued economic chaos would somehow result in their side finally running the country, after all.

    Personally, I'd rather try to fix the system we've already got, than start over with extremists from either side having any real say in the matter whatsoever.

    • Posted By: LMarcT @ 05/11/2009 12:27:40 PM

      • Posted By: mikemusa1 @ 05/11/2009 11:45:32 PM

        Great comment... - you are absolutly correct. Our congressmen care more about their power than working together for solutions...

        TERM LIMITS!

    • Posted By: LMarcT @ 05/11/2009 12:27:05 PM

  • Posted By: eb457 @ 05/11/2009 12:35:28 PM

    Neither side knows what the best course of action is, but this administration does know from history that inaction and allowing businesses to fail did not work in the Depression. I knew that when the previous administration was elected the first time that two things would happen: 1) we would end up in Iraq; and 2) business would be allowed to do whatever it wanted. Both of these things have lead us to where we are today. The blame for ALL of this belongs squarely on the previous president and vice-president - it does flow from the top down! Now you all talk about placing blame on this administration? Incredible!

    • Posted By: mikemusa1 @ 05/11/2009 11:42:46 PM

      This is what I am talking about - You lay it squarely on Bush.. OK and you are partly right - but does this give Obama the right to act in a fiscally irresponsible manner? Here again we have a simple mind capable of seeing things through his own lense - a sheep true at heart... The sheeps of both parties hard at work again...

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