Train Wreck Ahead?

It is a mistake to think that Israel can not or could not survive without USA, just opposite, they would be better off without USA tough "love". USA was openly hostile to Israel until 1960s - Israel was OK. USA "friendship" did not help much to win in 1967, as we know now US did everything in their power to preven Israel offense.
So-named USA monetary help - 100% Israel has to spend on unreasonably expensive and often inefficient (remember Patriots?) american weapon which Israel could produce ot buy in Europe much cheaper. In return, Israelis also supply USA with sophisticated military technology (yes, Israeli conventional weapon systems are better, guess why). Israelis provide intelligence to USA, no way around.
Israeli nuclear weapon was developed and built without any US help.
It is mutual advantage for both countries to be allies, but Israel can live without US, if Obama wants so.

Unless we desire the wrath of God to be more greatly on the U.S., we should increase, not decrease, our support for Israel vs the islamic extremists. The last time we insisted the Israelies cede territory to the palestinians, by uprooting Jews, our own citizens were uprooted by someone called "Katrina". "...those who bless Israel, I will bless, says the Lord..."

To Frank112
Why is it that as soon as anyone speaks the truth about Israel they are labeled as an anti-semite. Some times reality hurts and you don't have to be an anti-semite to realize it.

George Washington on Israel

"A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification." ~George Washington Farewell Address

"The nation which indulges toward another habitual hatred or habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interests." ~ George Washington

"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Dear Pastoreo

What kind of demented comment is this? "defend yourself and you would have saved not only yourself but the middle east and Asia from future holocust" .

You actually believe that in order to prevent a POSSIBLE hollocust, Israel has to make one in the present by attacking Iran ? That my friend is nuts. You do not prevent a hollocust in the future, by creating one in the present ... What is wrong with you? Or how do you call the results of an attack on Iran today.... The world economy going into a depression, the entire Arab world up in arms Vs. Israel, Our European allies braking ties with Israel making them a world parahia, Iran re-doubling their efforts to produce nuclear weapons after their attack, making Iran's oil quadruple in value and benefiting the regime you are trying to destroy, etc, etc, etc.

Man I tell you !!! You should have worked for the Bush Administration . Unfortunatelly for you, the time for irrationality is (thank God) behind us and now our foreign policy actually has to account for the CONSECUENCES of an attack.



In order for your "future hollocust" to work, you would have to count with the kind of absolute irrationality you so obviously have. A future hollocoust would require Iran as a nation, and all their rulers to commit collective sucide so that they can attack Israel. If you can please point to me when in the history of the world has a nation gone to a war knowing full well that such war will result in it's total anhilation I am all ears....... But you can't because no one is that stupid.

Except of course people spousing demented ideas in the web.

For Klamath: Based on both of your rants below, it seems that you have no unbiased comments to make on the Iran situation. Your words lead any intelligent person to believe you not only favor Iran unequivicolly, but are a staunch supporter. Be that as it may, I wish to make a comment concerning your obvious bias. You like to make "factual" statements about the media yet fail to realize ALL media outlets are biased dependant on their political views. Western media, as well as those of the Middle East, Asia, Etc.. are all biased to ONE politcal view; or the views of it's government if it is a state controlled media outlet. I am all for people voicing their opinions, but please do not quote media facts from sources that happen to coincide with your personal views; anyone with a modicum of intelligence can find a media sourse to do the same.
As to relations between the U.S., Israel, and Iran.. my personal view is that the U.S and Israel will never depart from the current state of mutual alliance. That would be bad for both countries. The Iran situation calls for some delicate negotiations, but in the end the outcome will be forced by Iran itself. When one country makes a world public comment about erasing another nation from the face of the Earth, it does make that other nation wary. If that is the complete Iranian standpoint, then Israel has a reason and a right to defend itself. And with the current political ties that exist between the U.S. and Israel, should Iran stay the course with its agressive stand, the U.S. will nost assuredly lend military aid to its ally.

Israel was founded on an immoral bases and like "legitimate slavery" it should be politically and legally reversed and a one-state solution for the area imposed by the World body. A democratic-republican form of government should be set up, imposed, and administered by the World court in a fashion similar to that used to counter segregation in the US until the Israeli-Arab inhabitants can accommodate to the change and become a self managing democratic style nation with no favored religious or ethnic group. The Palestinians should not continue to be punished for the sins of Europe and the US and the ambitions of power of the Zionists. A two state solution will continue to to that. Additionally, it is only a matter of time before Iran attains the nuclear status it seeks. Look what others have accomplished. A one state solution would protect Jews who wish to live in what they mistakenly believe is their "rightful" homeland from attack by an Arab state based on the presence of a threatening separate Jewish state. Lets us keep in mind the Holocaust and that it was not only directed at Jews, while keeping in mind that what has gone on since under the cover of the Holocaust is equal to it in immorality. Let the US Jewish lobby turn their resources and formidable talents to creating a single nation that works and is not a blot on human history as the current state of Israel is.

It would be a nice thought that our government would give up America's support for this criminal nation! It has WMD and has demonstrated that it is more than willing to use them! This nation has used ever pretext imaginable to continue stealing lands that MUST be returned to the original owners and a just compensation paid to those from whom they stole! EVERY international law entitlles people to return to their property after the "war" ends! In this case, it is the Zionist Israel that has launched numerous wars aginst its neighbors, illegally and immorally occupied lands for years, treated the occupied peoples as puppets in its "sly" manipulation of the entralled American people and shamelessly and illegally bought Congressman and woman! They spy on us, steal our millitary secrets, misuse our aid, illegally lobby, attack our ships and planes... and yet we still support this mistake of compassion?