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  • Posted By: MDIDDY @ 05/10/2009 12:09:39 PM

    I hope that when Isreal does attack, the Iranians have the SA300 up and running. It is a missile defense system that they bought from the Russians. It can shoot down a missiles or planes from 75 miles away. Also when they detect the 1st incoming missile, they should send some of thiers one way to Tel Avi. Isreal can throw a punch, lets see if they can take one.

    • Posted By: mac101 @ 05/10/2009 11:29:35 PM

      If you recall, they took quite a punch during the Persian Gulf War in 1991 when Iraq fired multiple, unprovoked SCUD missile attacks - some in Tel Aviv - and they did NOT retaliate against Iraq at our request. They sat there like sitting ducks - took the punch in your words - and allowed the Iraqis to fire scuds into their civilian population.

      Because the United States, their ally, asked them to stay out of it.

      The Israelis finally relinquished the Gaza strip because we convinced them to trade land for peace - land they occupied after Egypt attacked THEM in 1967. It is Egypt who created the refugee situation in Gaza, not Israel. And when the Israelis finally traded land for peace, what happened? Instead of peace, they got shelled, repeatedly - again, took the punch.

      Unlike the Persian Gulf war, they didn't sit back and let themselves be bombarded, instead, they fired back, and the entire world painted them as the evil ones.

      While there is no question that a two-state solution is necessary, the Israelis are not the only ones standing in the way of that happening - there is plenty of blood on plenty of hands to go around.

      But before you go hoping for bombs to drop in Tel Aviv, you should realize that this has already happened. It is too much to expect the Israelis to let it happen again.

  • Posted By: drewand @ 05/10/2009 5:44:07 PM

    The Israelies have been pushing their luck ever since we stepped in and gave them their 'homeland' back. At the time we took the land away from the nomadic Arab tribes and thought very little about the future ramifications of this action. The territory belonged to the Arabs. I guess in retrospect we could have given the Israelies Montana but that probably would have stirred up conflict as well. The Israelies don't play well with others and we support that. Maybe it is time to not support that and let them fend for themselves. Being Israel's greatest supporter has not been good for the US. Enough already!!!

    • Posted By: mac101 @ 05/10/2009 11:11:43 PM

      Um...actually, we weren't involved in "giving" anything to Israel - you're thinking of the British empire, who occupied what is now Israel after World War I, and made all sorts of promises they didn't bother to keep to both the Jews and the Arabs in the occupied territories.

      You may wish to bone up a little on your 20th century history. Or not.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 05/10/2009 6:24:31 PM

    The only way to counter-act Iran's nuclear ambitions is to cut off Iran's allowance - namely its oil revenue. McCain, Newt Gingrich, and Newsweek columnist Robert J. Samuelson just don't get it. We can drill all we want on the continental shelf, but that will not affect Iran's ecnomy. Iran can always sell its oil somewhere else. We need to break free of oil altogheter - the sooner the better. We need to produce fossil fuel substitutes from algae, bacteria or sea kelp. We need to expand wind and solar. As Tom Friedman pointed out in a recent article, the country which breaks free of fossil fuel first will be the leading nation of the 21st century. Even the oil shiekdoms on the Persian Gulf know that - and they are investing in developing solar and renewables. Why haven't we figured that out.
    I might point out that nuclear energy in incompetent hands can be very dangerous, especially if the development is from a totalitarian regime. Remember Chernobyl. The Russian assistance that Iran is receiving does not instill confidence in me. Russia's track record on environmental concerns is even worse than the GOP's. The people most threatened by Iran's nuclear ambitions may well be the Iranian people themselves, followed by Iran's neighbors on the Persian Gulf. Why hasn't any one else figured that out?

  • Posted By: NotAnObot @ 05/10/2009 1:30:29 PM

    Isn't it correct, according to the U.S. Constitution, that an American citizen who has served in a foreign army, be stripped of citizenship, and should certainly not be serving in ANY governmental capacity?

  • Posted By: hiliftjack @ 05/07/2009 7:55:24 PM

    Its about time that we start treating the Palestinians on an equal basis with Isreal.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 05/07/2009 8:34:58 PM

      Right, They danced in the streets after 9/11, and we should treat them as humans ans allies.

      • Posted By: MDIDDY @ 05/10/2009 12:02:15 PM

        For this simple reason. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The US gives Isreal the missles they use to rain down on them. What goes around, comes around.

      • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/09/2009 1:06:12 AM

        There was also a group of American Israelis who were dancing on a rooftop after 9/11, happy because "now America would have to join in the fight against the terrorists".

      • Posted By: greatgoog @ 05/07/2009 9:52:58 PM

        They are occupied by "America's ally" - gee, I wonder why they'd be happy? It couldn't be because they believe that Israel can't do anything without America's permission, including stealing their land and murdering their people from the air like complete cowards, could it?

        • Posted By: bighappy @ 05/07/2009 10:48:43 PM

          So keep dancing, but don't expect USA to join your dances.

  • Posted By: jstepp590 @ 05/07/2009 4:26:41 PM

    I support President Obama and VP Biden 100%. Unlike frank112, I wasn't told what my opinion about this conflict should be and did my own research. The common story just had too many inconsistencies and the more I learned the more pissed I got. My government doesn't have the right to treat people like that, nor support others in that kind of behavior, and I've been fighting it even since.

    Add the fact that Israel is ranked number 2 in commercial and government espionage against us and I've had it. They need to get out of our government too, because they have entirely too much influence through their lobbying arms. We send them $4 billion a year which gets used to build illegal settlement, have a massive military for a country that size and turn that money back around to Washington for more political control of our foreign policy. The worst part is that the Israeli leadership uses it for things that aren't good for Israel.

    Also frank112, why is it when anyone comments about Israel's illegal actions in Gaza and the West Bank the only answer you have to rebut it is to call people names like anti-Semite? Can't you debate or stand up for your opinion without slewing names like a grade school child? I bet you cannot, because you were fed your opinion instead of researched and decided on your own. I would hit you with facts that you never even heard of. The truth is the truth, whether you like it or not.

    Thank you for this article, Mr. Hirsh. It's nice to see another moral intelligent human being calling it the way it is instead of sugar coating things for an American "ally". I've had it with our media and government tip toeing around with Israel and want to see progress on this issue, progress that will never happen unless we start holding their feet to the fire. We all know Israeli leadership doesn't want peace if they can get to their Zionist ambition first.

    • Posted By: Robzview @ 05/10/2009 1:50:47 AM

      Good for you jstepp that is usually all you get from Israel supporters when anyone has the gall to quote irrefutable facts-childish name calling and personal abuse-after all what can be said in defense of Israel's decades long defiance of UN resolutions and international law on acquisition of territory by force,colonisation of occupied territory,collective punishment and failure to protect the safety and rights of the civilian population?As for the old "anti-Semite" smear how can support for the human rights of Palestinians[Semites to the last man,woman and child]and opposition to the Jewish/Zionist murderously aggressive history be anti-Semitic when not all Jews are even Semites?-check Semite and Semitic in any reputable dictionary.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/07/2009 5:47:11 PM

      I agree. I think the American alliance with Israel needs to be seriously reexamined

    • Posted By: vmfa-314 @ 05/07/2009 4:33:58 PM

      I agree with you jstepp590. It's time the US started taking actions in the Middle East that are in the best long-term interest of the good ol' US of A, not Israel. And those that hit back with accusations of anti-semetism do so because they don't have a viable argument on which to stand.

  • Posted By: Marinegrunti39 @ 05/07/2009 4:10:17 PM

    Netanyahu is playing the same game by using Iran as an excuse to delay peace talks with the Palestians. The same rationel first US eliminate a formidle enemy and then we talk peace with the Palestinians.and we all know where that ended. More Jewish settlement were built, more check points were created, the Wall cutting into 10% of the West Bank and the Palestinians keep getting the shaft. Netanyahu wants the Palestinians to recognize Israel without mentioning of recognizing a Palastinian state. And now Netanyahu wants Aamerica to do more of Israel dirty work by attacking Iran a state that's not a threat to the US. If Israel wants to attack Iran then let them but without shedding our blood and treasure. No More

    • Posted By: lornejn @ 05/08/2009 11:39:03 AM

      I don't have any particular affinity fo Israel, but it does seem to me that Israeli lack of interest in negotiating with the Palestinians is quite natural considering that the Palestinians never do what they commit to do. What is the point in negotiating if what you are promised in return for your concessions never materializes. If I were Israeli, I would interpret pressure from Obama to make concessions as a sign that Israel needed to take care of its security itself.

      • Posted By: warmarine @ 05/09/2009 9:32:14 PM

        Oh really ? then why does Iran call Israel the little satIn and the usa the great satain? you all need to read not only your bibles but the koran also , Anyone with half a brain can see that Muslems are a evil people and want to convert the WORLD to islam. I dont blame Israel for protecting its self. It all comes down to what you belive in GOD or NO GOD or alli or whatever. I myself perfer to belive in GOD and Israle as his chosen ppl.After all the bible has been proven true over 2500 time already. So get ready for end times. I am. As a former MARINE who has been in Lebanon in 82 84 I know what terrors will and want to do to us all.DO i have any answers NO I dont but i do pray alot. will there be peace only in the end times and to be honest that dosent look like it any time soon. How ever it is true the only thing that Muslems do understand is hatred for infedels and killings, weather its stoniing women or human shilds, beheadings. what evr it dosent really matter all the know is WAR. Jihad !!!!!

      • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/08/2009 12:44:43 PM

        The problem is that anyone moderate in the Palestinian territories left a long time ago. Who can blame them? What sane person wants to live in the rubble heaps that Gaza and the West Bank have become? So all you have left are the hardliners. It makes for a very unfortunate situation.

    • Posted By: diesel300s @ 05/07/2009 4:12:42 PM

      You are exactly correct.

  • Posted By: spoff @ 05/09/2009 8:25:54 PM

    It is incumbent upon any writer who baldly references " Tehran's efforts to build a nuclear-weapons capability" to explain why he disagrees with the combined U.S. intelligence agencies and the U.N. sponsored IAEA who assert that Iran is not making efforts in this direction. It would also be interesting to hear how the writer spins the fact that Iran belongs to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and acts within it while Israel defies it and has done so for decades.
    Making highly contentious statements as if they are fact has a name. It is propaganda.

  • Posted By: spoff @ 05/09/2009 8:22:45 PM

    It is incumbent upon any writer who baldly references " Tehran's efforts to build a nuclear-weapons capability" to explain why he disagrees with the combined U.S. intelligence agencies and the U.N. sponsored IAEA who assert that Iran is not making efforts in this direction. It would also be interesting to hear how the writer spins the fact that Iran belongs to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and acts within it while Israel defies it and has done so for decades.
    Making highly contentious statements as if they are fact has a name. It is propaganda.

  • Posted By: Robzview @ 05/09/2009 8:16:13 PM

    OH yes and I forgot to add:Israel is not "long suspected" of having nuclear weapons even your bumbling intelligence agencies know for an absolute fact that they have hundreds.

  • Posted By: Robzview @ 05/09/2009 8:04:10 PM

    Iran is not "threatening the region"Israel repeatedly attacks other countries in the region as well as killing more and more Palestinians while simultaneously squeezing Gaza to death with a STILL in place near total blockade and stealing more chunks of the tattered remnants of Palestine not yet fully annexed after 60-plus years of aggressive territorial expansion at the expense of Palestinians and neighbouring countries.Idle chatter about a freeze on "settlement" expansion and dismantling "outposts" and resuming a "peace process" just don't cut it.Israel must be forced by any and all means necessary to abide by international law regarding acquisition of territory by force and colonising illegally occupied territory;ALL the colonies must be evacuated-these are COLONIES AND COLONISTS not "settlements" and "settlers",which implies some benign purpose instead of the malignant cancer they are relentlessly stealing land-creating "facts on the ground"-and ensuring that without forceful intervention no viable,sovereign Palestinian state with territorial contiguity and real control of it's land and sea borders and air space can exist.Why is the bleeding obvious so hard to see?

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 05/09/2009 3:01:41 PM

    Co-depedency.
    That best defines the relationship between the US and Israel under the Bush Administration. Obama seems understand George Washington's warning about "entangling alliances"- namely that we should not give a blank check to a regime which insists in stealing more Arab land simply because of some obscure reference in the Old Testament.
    The development of nuclear power is Ahmadinejad's only trump card in the coming election. Developing a nuclear program is widely popular in Iran. Iraq is a great example of what happens to a Muslim country without nuclear weapons. Other than the issue of nuclear power, Iran's economy is tanking. I remember reading reports about gasoline riots because Iran cannot produce its own gasoline. The mullahs issue an endless number of restrictions that are increasingly unpopular among the young - Terangeles is a vibrant school of rock, yet rock music in Iran is increasingly underground. A regime that hates its young CANNOT survive. And, demographically, Iran is a young nation.
    What we do not need is an attack on Iran by Israel. That's precisely what Ahmadinejad is praying for. We're better off with a president who can appeal to the young. Who knows? Maybe there's a Generation O in Iran. Who knows? Maybe Baraka Obama is more popular than the mullahs. When or if that happens, there is not hope for the current government of Iran.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/09/2009 6:20:29 PM

      "A regime that hates its young CANNOT survive. "

      It would be really nice if some of the American neoconservatives could actually realize this.

  • Posted By: Dredd @ 05/09/2009 5:23:41 PM

    The Ferengi and the Hyumahns will see it through.

    http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/05/life-in-ferengi-home-world.html

  • Posted By: trogers @ 05/09/2009 10:49:56 AM

    In my entire lifetime the same issues concerning Israel and its arab neighbors have been discussed and discussed and discussed. There has never been any real progress. Israel continues to be hostile toward the arabs and they continue to be hostile toward Israel.
    This administration will achieve the same results as previous ones; nothing will change. At some point Israel will attack Iran and we will be forced to support them. Another round of negotiations will occur and a form of peace with hostility will resume.
    In the end the best policy is to do nothing because nothing can be done to change the racial and political hatred that defines the conflict.

  • Posted By: bulldog55 @ 05/09/2009 8:29:42 AM

    Did anyone hear that Iran was shooting satellites into orbit? These rockets are basically the same as ICBMs. Forget Israel they have the capability to reach the U.S. Hopefully Amadinajad isn't elected and someone a bit more moderate will have serious talks with Us (and the most powerful alliance in the History of the World, NATO. just saying that.)

  • Posted By: LadyMJones @ 05/09/2009 2:06:09 AM

    We need to cut that racist shithole loose.

  • Posted By: LadyMJones @ 05/09/2009 2:03:41 AM

    We need to cut that racist *** hole lose.

  • Posted By: carminejd @ 05/08/2009 9:19:06 AM

    The day after Amadinajad retains his presidency Israel will bomb him, and Obama will receive the lesson he never imagined: peace comes only through believable power never through empathy world love and empty bs. Bunker buster bombs work by killing a few appropriate souls exactly when needed,; love bombs kill millions of innocents and ultimately don't work. Save lives, bomb Iran...Bunker bustera away! Oh, Dems, Kerry that is, forget LOST (Law of the Seas Treaty) all those with even a smidgen of military knowledge recognize Law if the Seas Treaty for exactly what it is, a no fly over rule to stop Israel, which pretty well explains why neither Israel, America nor Iran have ratified it. We all want to defend and attack when necessary. Up yours Lurch.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/08/2009 12:56:11 PM

      It's a pity you will probably never experience what it's like to be on the receiving end of a bombing perpetuated by bitter anger and hatred yourself, so you'll never understand what it is you really advocate doing to other people.

      All I can say is, God isn't amused by all this crap. I do believe there is going to be a reckoning of some kind for people who share your attitude on both sides of the fence - Israeli and Palestinian.

      • Posted By: Desert Runner @ 05/08/2009 8:23:37 PM

        You are poor, sad, patherhic ,idiot living in a fantasy world.............We (and Israel for that matter) have the capability of oblitirating Iran, don't you think they know it? They are just baiting the bull and the bull is stupid enough to keep going after the cape and in the process give them the PR they want and need.

        What is definition of insanity? Doing the same thing you allways did and expecting different results..............

        • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/09/2009 1:04:47 AM

          I stand by my statement.

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 05/08/2009 10:29:32 PM

        Who is sitting on another side of bunker busters? Probably those who is sitting in bunkers, Hamas amd Al Qaida cowards. Use wour connections, Vifilance, ask them how they felt.

      • Posted By: carminejd @ 05/08/2009 6:45:25 PM

        The only value a bomb has is that it either is dropped which is the worst case scenario or that the those upon whom it is intended to be dropped believe it may well be dropped and stop their wickedness and halt their own demise, the best case scenario. If you know someone is coming to kill you wake up early and kill him: Talmud. Iran is absolutely coming to kill Israel. Since suicide is immoral, Israel is are morally obligated to bomb Iran, and of course, by July they will.

  • Posted By: dwhat @ 05/07/2009 4:13:49 PM

    How long do we have to put up with the lies and backstabbing from the Muslims. I do not believe there has ever been a treaty or cease-fire that has been honored by a Muslim nation because they only agree to one when they need time to rearm in order to punish anyone that does not believe the way they do which is to Kill everybody!

    • Posted By: frank112 @ 05/07/2009 4:18:04 PM

      Absolutely right!! I mean its really that simple. You give Israel a guarantee of peace and they'll snatch it up. You give it to any arab nations and they'll demand the caveat of killing all jews first.

      • Posted By: vmfa-314 @ 05/07/2009 4:41:09 PM

        That's an absolutely ridiculous comment, frank112. Our most important ally in the region is Saudi Arabia.

        • Posted By: bighappy @ 05/08/2009 11:16:51 PM

          We just forgot to reward them for 9/11.

        • Posted By: greatgoog @ 05/07/2009 9:40:09 PM

          Truer words may never have been spoken.

    • Posted By: markmier @ 05/07/2009 4:17:39 PM

      You could replace every instance of the word "Muslim" in your post with the word "Israeli" and it would be equally true.

      That is the problem.

      • Posted By: brydges @ 05/07/2009 4:29:09 PM

        You must get your news from MSNBC, try the supermarket tabliods as they are a more factual

        • Posted By: markmier @ 05/07/2009 4:38:36 PM

          brydges, all your comments on this article sound to me like, "Nuh-UHHHH! *YOU'RE* a big poopyhead! I'm right you're wrong, so NYEAH!"

          Just sayin'.

          • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/07/2009 5:46:24 PM

            This is nothing new for brydges.

            • Posted By: brydges @ 05/08/2009 1:55:16 PM

              Aww are your feelings still hurt

              • Posted By: nimodahooligan @ 05/08/2009 1:58:45 PM

                exactly.....

                still dont get it?

                • Posted By: brydges @ 05/08/2009 2:14:59 PM

                  That's like Obama calling Clinton a Socialist
                  Seriously it's good to know I am making a difference, as these people are at least thinking about what I say or it wouldn't bother them so much as to have to speak up.The difference is I actually believe and practice what I preach.If i can get under your skin blame your own sense of insecurity about your views,and ask yourself do you believe what you say or are just going along with what's popular on Newsweek to feel important and liked.

          • Posted By: brydges @ 05/08/2009 1:54:33 PM

            Good come back Potzi

            It???s not worth debating what educated normal people should already know.

  • Posted By: PeaceAtAllCosts @ 05/08/2009 9:52:23 AM

    Trooper, I wish I had your beliefs in the US foreign policy towards Israel. It is my opinion that Obama will leave Israel to die. His administration is filled with Anti-Israel advocates who want nothing more than for the Jewish state to be dismantled. The 7% of Jews who voted for Obama care not one wit for the Israel-and I am quickly coming to the conclusion that neither do most Americans. Hope and Change.....Obama and his Anti-Zionist administration hope to chamge the US policy in the MidEast.

    • Posted By: DrBrooks @ 05/08/2009 4:12:59 PM

      Dear Peace at all costs,
      How can you think that Obama is against Israel? Rahm Emanuel (Chief of Staff) is an Orthodox Jew, David Axelrod (Senior Advisor), Peter Orszag (Dir of Office/Mgmt/Budget) are also Jewish. They all support Israel 100%. If Obama is against Israel, why does he have Jews in such high positions?

      • Posted By: hunter10039 @ 05/08/2009 8:18:57 PM

        well, well....Judas was selected as one of Jesus' closest apostles-deciples?...and look what HE did!!!

    • Posted By: Osama Bin Login @ 05/08/2009 11:25:34 AM

      " It is my opinion that Obama will leave Israel to die. "

      Nonsense. Israel can take care of itself. No problem. They haven't really needed our help since the 6 day war.

      • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/08/2009 1:01:52 PM

        Yeah, no kidding. Israel has enough nukes to wipe its neighbors (and Europe) literally off the map, and they want to say that losing U.S. support is akin to annihilation? Give me a break. I have seen few cultures like Israel's who so fully play the victim when they hold the whip hand.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/08/2009 12:47:04 PM

      I'm sorry that your attitude about Israel is so self-centered. Apparently, if someone doesn't drop everything they're doing and run at the drop of a hat any time the Israelis need help, that person is an "anti-Semite". It's that kind of accusatory, neurotic attitude that's turning many American young people against the alliance with Israel in massive numbers.

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