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  • Posted By: Guildenstern123 @ 05/09/2009 10:53:30 AM

    Hmmmm, didn't newsweek just run an article about how millennials and other young people are actually the most spoiled and narcissistic generation yet? And this is the age demographic that Obama won most resoundingly, he must be so proud. I can not fathom what ignorance led these young people to become so enamored with such and un-substantive and pseudo-intellectual candidate.

    • Posted By: Bella's a Pug @ 05/09/2009 2:21:28 PM

      if the gop party of hate is really concerned with the welfare of our country, they could help by staying in their bathrooms and whimpering silently to themselves instead of bumming the rest of us out. so pethically feeble, they just cast a gloom over evrthing. crying alone would be the first positive act the party of no, never and dyh has carried out since the first week in november.

      • Posted By: bjsassy @ 05/09/2009 5:41:02 PM

        In addition to your spelling, grammar and attitude, your opinion about the Republican Party fails to dazzle. Can you give us a specific example as to why the Republicans are the party of hate? Please state a factual example, not an opinion or generalizations. In the words of Daniel Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts."

        • Posted By: Bella's a Pug @ 05/10/2009 9:50:43 AM

          i'll let you answer your own question. which party covets and relies on the kkk vote to put them in office in the red southern states? if you have the guts it takes to answer that question honestly, you need no further help from me.

          • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/10/2009 11:04:30 AM

            Bella's a Pug, I commend you for your ability to ask questions that if answered, actually move closer to the answer in regards to, ???Which Party is the Party of Hate? In an attempt to be least offensive as I can, I will not name the political party. I think if I ask the right questions, make honest and accurate statements; the answer of which political party is the ???party of hate??? will leap out of our computers as if we were all watching the answer in a 3 D movie theater.

            Earlier you asked, which party relied on the KKK for votes to get elected into office. Your statement although true, greatly diminishes the more obvious indicator of the ???the Party of Hate????

            From the beginning of the founding of this nation was there not a demography that sought to make racism mainstream and acceptable in society? Did not Jim Crow laws that lasted for about 100 years actually codify racism into law all across the south? How many states (all of them) from North Carolina to Texas? How many millions of people from North Carolina to Texas instituted, enforced and perpetuated Jim Crow Laws for 100 years that ended only by force, perhaps less than fifty years ago? Did that demographic willingly end racist Jim Crow Laws or did they fight against ending Jim Crow laws tooth and nail; killing, murdering, bombing, lynching, etc??? to maintain Jim Crow laws?

            When the Supreme Court ruled Jim Crow Laws unconstitutional, did that mean the States and the millions of people that supported and perpetuated Jim Crow laws abandone, repudiate their desire and commitment to oppress every single Black person within their state or community? Do you think it is possible for any adult reading this comment to not know the answers to my questions? Do you think it possible that any person reading this comment to deny the truth of this commentary? Which political Party overwhelmingly is represented and supported by the demograhhic that precisely fit the answers to my questions? Do you think it is possible for an honest person to deny which political party is the party of hate?

            • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/11/2009 12:07:28 AM

              Why don't you go take a poll of African-Americans and see how many of them support each party right now? Did you even look at the voting results of the last election?

              • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/12/2009 3:42:14 PM

                You and I may can it ignorance, specifically of the true facts, but Forest Gumps' mother said it best: "Stupid is as Stupid does"!

                • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/13/2009 9:53:35 PM

                  Here lies the problem, Vigilance the Civil Rights Act in 1964 led to the Republicans taking control of Congress and stifling the Democrats. The Republican Party grew in strength though its voters, yes some were Southern Democrats disillusioned with their party. What seems to be missed is that the Civil Rights Act allowed the ability of minorities to register to vote and poor white people to be able to vote. Did you know you used to have to pass a test before you were able to vote?

                  Now if you manage not to get caught up in all the rhetoric you???ll find Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican, do you think he advocated all these new voters to be Democrats the party he and thousand of men and women forced to let the Civil Right Act to pass? Why do you think the Democrats lost the South for a generation all the new voters?

                  As always people tend to forget and with the enormous amount of propaganda delivered by what 70+% of our media based on half truths and omission you are right about the African Americans becoming Democrats people forget.

                  Then YOUSOCRAZY basically just confirmed my suppositions the Fictional character Forest Gump was portrayed as the most Liberal person you ever would meet. He did not see race, social strife, or have Social ambition... then comes along a classic Democrat and uses the character to ad subterfuge to their position, HaHa

            • Posted By: purple_state @ 05/11/2009 9:19:34 AM

              Neither political party is clean from a racist past. Yes the Democrats spent 100 years trying to keep slavery, and the Republicans spent 100 years keeping racist policies going. The major difference is that since the 1930's the Democratic party has done more to help repair and repay that past. First was FDR and more importantly his wife Eleanor who was an early supporter of civil rights movement. Next you have Civil Rights Act of 1964 signed into law by JFK, a democrat. Then there is America's "first" black president, as proclaimed by Nobel Prize winner Toni Morrison, Bill Clinton. And lastly our real first Black President Obama. None of this will forgive the sins of the past, but it is a start. And as a southern white liberal I can tell you from first hand experience that party divide in this part of the country is 9 out of 10 times on a racial lines.

              • Posted By: Xavier Onassis @ 05/13/2009 1:34:40 PM

                JFK died November 22, 1963 in Dallas. Thus he did NOT sign the Civil Rights Act in 1964. That woulld have been his powerful Texan vice-president who succceeded JFK and did, in fact sign the legislation while fearing that it would lose for a generation the votes of Democrat Jim Crow bigots, who abounded at the time.

              • Posted By: jh35180 @ 05/12/2009 4:11:37 PM

                You actually have one of the more accurate posts on here. The only things that I might differ from you on are these:

                1. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed into law by President Johnson, not President Kennedy.

                2. I will agree that Elanor Roosevelt began to change the image of the Democratic Party by opposing segregation. FDR really did not do anything, but FDR's successor Harry Truman, signed an executive order to desegregate the troops

          • Posted By: John Dough @ 05/12/2009 12:37:06 PM

            Dem Senator Byrd was a member of the KKK. Democrats fought the Civil Rights Act of 1964 including Al Gore's father who voted against it. The republicans supported and passed the bill. A republican president (Lincoln) freed the slaves democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam. That is the factual history not the made up history of the democratic party.

            • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 1:43:01 PM

              John Dough, you have made some good points. On the other hand yours and many others that for some reason label or refer to the Civil War, The War between the North and South, as synonymous with some war you seem to refer to as a war between Republicans and Democrats. Making it a point that Slave states were Democrats and President Lincoln was Republican. Labeling the Civil War in such a manner is strikingly misleading. A majority of White slave holding Southern Americans supported Slavery, fought to maintain slavery. Now that very same demographic votes Republican. Does not mean their forefathers were not from racist slave owning communities and certainly does not mean their forefathers supported President Lincoln. I cannot believe that you are suggesting that today???s Republicans that live in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, etc??? are the offspring of Southerners that supported President Lincoln and/or the Republican Party. That would be an out and out lie.


              I suggest you and others make that misleading reference because it is true the Slave holding society was primarily Democratic, but now they have switched political parties to become Republicans, you choose to place misleading comments that implies the very demographic that owned slaves, instituted Jim Crow laws were a different demographic, not the heritage and legacy of Slavery and Jim Crow. That certainly is not true. Every high school kid know the majority of South supported slavery and racist Jim Crow laws and that switching political affiliation has absolutely no bearing on who supported racism and Jim Crow and why they did so. Incidentally, can you tell me why those people enslaved other human beings? Can you explain why Southerners instituted Jim crow laws? I just cannot understand it. Perhaps you can enlighten me..

              I think you only make a distinction between Democrats and Republicans is because Southern White racists used to vote Democratic, now vote Republican and now you want to mislead readers. Suggesting the Southern White Racists that enslaved people and instituted racist Jim Crow laws are somehow, perhaps magically a different demographic and different offspring. As if you think it pertinent to distinguish between Democrat and Republicans in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, etc??? They all fought for the South. They wanted to set up a separate territory in the United States where slavery and oppressing Blacks was the law of the land. Which of the Confederate States are you suggesting were members of the Republican Party and the Party of Lincoln? Shameful for an adult to proffer such misleading gibberish.

          • Posted By: bjsassy @ 05/10/2009 4:56:26 PM

            Again, you generalized and did not give a specific example. I am assuming that your misstatement is referring to the Southern Strategy. The southern states were primarily a stronghold for the Democrat Party until the 1960s. When the civil rights act was passed and was supported by the Democrats, the so called white racists turned to the Republican Party. Many Republican candidates referred to "states rights." While they lost the back vote, they gained the vote of many white segregationists. Did the some Republican candidates play to the white racists in the south? They probably did. Politics makes strange bed fellows. Although there was strong support for Jimmy Carter in the southern states in 1976, it was his failures as a president that allowed Ronald Reagan to win handedly in the south in 1980. However, Ronald Reagan and George H. Bush could have won their elections without the southern states. Neither needed or wanted the support of the Ku Klux Klan. While the KKK still exists, their numbers have dwindled significantly over the years. They would be a nonfactor in any election. What candidate in his or her mind would want their support! There has never been any indication that Presidents Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 were racists. To call John McCain a racist would be absurd.

            I certainly would not ask any help from you since you obviously are unable to come up with one factual and specific example as to why you feel the Republicans are a party of hate. I would advise that you expand your horizons and read more.

        • Posted By: realpages @ 05/09/2009 10:08:53 PM

          I???m thinking neither party has the market cornered on hate.

          Have you ever heard these words spoken? I hate communist. I hate socialism. I hate gays. I hate blacks. I hate Yankees. I hate people on welfare. I hate Bill Clinton. I hate atheists. Wonder what party plays to people with such feelings?

          Have you ever heard these words spoken? I hate the rich people robbing this country. I have capitalist. I hate homophobs. I hate racists. I hate people from the South. I really hate George W. Bush. I hate the religious right. Wonder what party plays to people with such feelings?

          Truth is both parties have low-life politicians that play to hate, and I really hate those bastards.

      • Posted By: 1Blackcitizen! @ 05/09/2009 3:35:19 PM

        Either your spell check is in need of repair or there's a new politically correct spelling which I'm not aware.

        • Posted By: Bella's a Pug @ 05/09/2009 3:47:06 PM

          one who resorts to criticizing spelling or punctuation won't last long here. if you couldn't understand the words or their meaning, just let me know and i'll be glad to explain them to you. otherwise, get lost.

          • Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/10/2009 11:33:55 AM

            I personally have read your posts admonishing others for spelling and grammar mistakes, and beyond that, if name calling was outlawed(repigs, mouth breathers etc.) and posters forced to have intelligent conversations that actually were explanations of why someone believed the other to be incorrect, you would have about 85% less to say!

          • Posted By: 1Blackcitizen! @ 05/09/2009 4:43:04 PM

            The spelling is better, now we have to work on that nasty attitude.

    • Posted By: jh35180 @ 05/13/2009 4:30:20 PM

      You are right, Newsweek did run a similar story to this. Could it be that Newsweek writers are rather slow witted and cannot think of something else to write? Maybe they should hire some morons from MSNBC or Bill Maher or that stupid Janeane Gaffelo to write for them.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/10/2009 11:22:45 PM

      You know, I'm part of this "spoiled generation". And I started working in my school cafeteria when I was 12, had an after-school job at 14 that I continued to work at (including eight-hour days in the summers) until I was 18 and left to college. I got a 1550 on my SATs back when they were out of 1600. I speak two languages but was not raised bilingual, and am working on a third. I have fifteen years of experience in two main computer languages and passing familiarity with a half-dozen more and can build my own computers from parts. I've studied world history, U.S. history, calculus and linear algebra, Middle Eastern studies, economics, college-level physics in mechanics and electromagnetism, literature including Steinbeck, Hemingway, Faulkner, Hawthorne, Dante (that last one on my own) and dozens more authors and other subjects I don't have room to list. I am currently working trying to start my own software company, doing all the coding AND three-dimensional modeling and rendering AND music by myself.

      And I, for one getting pretty pissed at older people calling me and my generation "ignorant".

      People see the vapid stuff on MTV and other "reality" shows - scripted shows that claim not to be, and nearly all signed off on by boomer executives - and assume a lot of things about everyone under 30, regardless of the fact that the hardworking and more humble among us don't tend to chase after fame on reality shows. Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag and the rest do a terrible disservice to my generation by encouraging people to become disgusted with youth culture as a whole by proxy, even though it has nothing to do with 95% of my generation or more.

      What are the great accomplishments do you claim that you feel like you can dismiss my generation? Where do you get off calling me ignorant?

      Bear in mind - we're getting older and our numbers are growing and putting more voters on the rolls. Conservatives are losing support and every election cycle more older conservatives pass on. And the youth vote is not likely to come over to a philosophy that demeans and belittles us and assumes we've accomplished nothing. As far as I can tell, it wasn't millenials or Gen X that caused the world financial crisis with thirty-to-one leverage ratios, or went to war in Iraq, or repealed Glass-Steagal or any one of dozens of other horrible decisions that left the world as screwed up as it is right now.

      • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 12:15:21 PM

        Vigilance, I just read your post. This is where I part ways with all ethnicities in regards to what I value most (in a practical way, everyday life). I am just about to take my final in Calculus I. It will consist of evaluating divertive and integrals. I feebly admit that for me Calculus is the most challenging, most interesting and personally, the most satisfying and rewarding academic challenge I have so far experienced in my lifetime. I am only taking this one class. I am pretty sure I will take Calc II and Calc III.

        In regards to the present discussion regarding race and politics, the subject of racial preferences is a distant 5th, 6th, 7th, etc??? compared to learning Calculus to me. I care not what your ethnicity is one whit. I admire you you???re your academic and scholastic achievements. Perhaps it is simply me, but I pretty much believe any person that has the mental capacity such as yourself realizes the very subject of race is in comparison a non-starter.

        Issues of race as far as I am concerned are not even in the same ballpark in regards to what is meaningful, rewarding and useful to the average man. I think knowing Calculus is far more important than any opinion regarding race. Not to say discussions of race are not important, consequential, and meaningful. But not compared to the process and experience of learning math, physics, the great writers, etc??? Regardless of me being guilty of wasting time on this forum, I prefer the studies of the subjects you mentioned. You have a new fan. Thanks for your comment.

        Vigilance, to be honest, a guy like me could not care less about personal opinions on any issue. I like Calculus more than any personal opinions in regards to race, including mine. Perhaps my comment to you reveals to others exactly how little importance I attach to anything said, argued, accused on this forum. I think what you have worked hard to learn is much more valuable. It is truly amazing to me, the similar interests that you have that are pretty much the same as mine. Rock on!

      • Posted By: bjsassy @ 05/11/2009 12:59:57 PM

        Every generation has inherited the previous generation's mess. Young people took the full brunt of the Great Depression. There were millions of 18 and 19 year-old men fighting in World War II. Young soldiers have always fought old men's wars. Your generation has been dealt a bad hand. Our economic and energy crisis needs some serious fixing. It is up to your generation to come up with the solutions and I have full confidence that you will.

        For the last 40 years, the Democrats were wandering in the dessert ??? more or less. They struggled through Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis before they hit the jackpot with Bill Clinton. Unfortunately, he blew his legacy because he could not keep his zipper up or tell the truth under oath. It set the Democrats back for eight years. Now, it is the Democrats turn to be in power. Let us hope that they use it wisely.

        The Republicans blew it big time and it is their turn to struggle. America is a much better country when it has a strong two-party system (or three). It provides checks and balances. Heaven forbid that the country would be run by the likes of Nancy Pelosi! There are young Republicans out there and they should step up to stem the trillions and trillions of debt that you and your children will be saddled with. We are all in this together.

        "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head."
        -Sir Winston Churchill

        No one should expect a 20 year-old to act 40.

        • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/11/2009 1:25:37 PM

          Regardless of who caused the mess, I know a lot of young people (and Obama supporters), myself included, who are willing and maybe even eager to roll up our hands and get started fixing it. Just give us the chance to do it.

      • Posted By: thumbsuckerseverywhere @ 05/10/2009 11:46:14 PM

        ^^^ proof that anyone can be anything they want with a keyboard and access to the internet blended with a pinch of anonymity.

        • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/10/2009 11:57:14 PM

          By the way - while I'd be happy to talk about any of the subjects I listed with you as proof of competence or similar, I might point out that it's not "our side" (whatever that means) that needs a credibility boost or a rise in popularity right now. It's the older members of the GOP, who are currently experiencing a ten percent drop in self-identified voters compared to the Democrats, and who are losing members by the day as more and more people start pointing fingers and going "squish!" "RINO!", et cetera, at the moderates in the party.

          Simply put, the nation doesn't have a lot of confidence in the GOP right now. You can dismiss everything I say, and you probably will, because you're not emotionally capable of believing someone you disagree with can do all of these things, I guess. And that's not really going to make a bit of political difference. It's the Republicans who have to prove to the rest of the country that they are NOT ignorant, that they are NOT acting with entitlement, that they have any of the skills necessary to lead the country in years to come. And if they don't, it's going to be a pretty cold time in the years to come for the GOP.

          • Posted By: thumbsuckerseverywhere @ 05/11/2009 12:04:36 AM

            who said i agreed or disagreed with you? did your ego tell you that? are you emotionally capable of having someone debunk your internet cowboyism?

            • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/11/2009 12:10:04 AM

              "Posted By: ToTheRight @ 05/10/2009 3:03:05 PM

              Good point. But why are you liberals such haters?
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              Posted By: thumbsuckerseverywhere @ 05/11/2009 12:00:22 AM

              because the only leg they stand on is to always be the victim... anything that threatens that is an immediate target."

              I'd say this identifies you as fairly anti-liberal and anti-Obama, if I had to guess.

              But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Do you agree or disagree? If we move past your questioning of my credibililty, what is it that you actually believe?

              • Posted By: thumbsuckerseverywhere @ 05/11/2009 12:19:47 AM

                mac'n'cheese, seinfield, unregulated internet, my right to carry a gun, and my right to not carry a bible at the same time. where do your calculations put me then?

                • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/11/2009 12:34:57 AM

                  I would say it places you in the category of someone who's not interested in responding to the main topic that Guildenstern brought up, which is whether or not millenials are "spoiled and narcissistic" or not.

        • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/10/2009 11:50:08 PM

          I'm sorry you seem to feel that I ought to prove who I am to you. And we can do that if you'd like.

          Which of the subjects I mentioned would you like to discuss as proof of my competence in those areas?

          • Posted By: thumbsuckerseverywhere @ 05/10/2009 11:56:16 PM

            obviously, you thought it was necessary to... but spare yourself the effort of copying and pasting, we can all navigate wikipedia on our own. thanks for the offer, though.

            • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/11/2009 12:05:14 AM

              Gotcha. So you don't want to actually find out if I've learned anything, you'll just assume it all came from Wikipedia, regardless of the fact that one can't really understand a good many of the Wikipedia articles on most of the subjects I listed without having studied the subjects in more detail outside of it. I see you're not particularly willing to give me a chance, so I won't bother continuing to ask for one.

              Hey, like I said above, it's not really "our side" that's experiencing a real burden-of-proof deficit right now. The younger voters are starting to swell the voting rolls, and Obama won that election pretty convincingly. I could sit on my ass playing videogames all day and it wouldn't change the fact that the GOP has to pick up some independents and centrists again or it's going to be really pretty screwed.

              • Posted By: thumbsuckerseverywhere @ 05/11/2009 12:11:12 AM

                good, great, awesome. no one cares that youre smarter than wikipedia. hopefully someday youll learn that subject too.

                • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/11/2009 12:17:47 AM

                  I see. So if I say nothing, my generation remains unchallenged as "spoiled and entitled". If I speak up in defense of my achievements, "no one cares". Don't you think there's a discrepancy there?

                  • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/11/2009 12:30:08 AM

                    And yet, I'm listening, and responding. I may not change my mind, but I'm willing to engage those I disagree with.

                  • Posted By: thumbsuckerseverywhere @ 05/11/2009 12:26:24 AM

                    its about speaking in the right place... if youre pushing the liberal agenda, youre preaching to the choir - if you lean to the right, most here are programmed not to listen.

    • Posted By: BloodofPatriots @ 05/12/2009 10:21:16 AM

      Guildenstern,

      Actually, if you'd ever bothered to check out Obama's positions, he had substantial details on more issues than I've seen from any other politician, ever.

      Also, he's a constitutional scholar. There's nothing "pseudo" about his intellectual credentials.

      Want to know the reason that so many GenY folks are liberals? Two of the big answers are right here in Guildenstern's post: Statement as fact of ideas categorically (and well-known) to be untrue, and an abiding disrespect for "pseudo-intellectuals" -- you know, people who actually *know* things. Until the conservative movement/GOP can get a handle on Guildenstern and the others of its fiction-based rump, it's not going to get a lot of respect. Until then, it will fare poorly against charges that it can't find that rump with both hands.

  • Posted By: bluegrass 101 @ 05/13/2009 9:45:00 PM

    President Obama's Poll average is 65%---- Repiglican Party 20%, proves that the Republican Party is doomed and there agenda of Hate has caught up with them.

  • Posted By: elway777 @ 05/13/2009 7:38:37 PM

    Generation O needs to wake up and get their heads on straight. I'm 29 and did not vote for the socialist named Obama. How can I have hope for the future when Obam's agenda will lead to higher taxes (on income, energy and everything else), a devalued dollar, high inflation, rationed health care (especially for oldler folks) and a grandiose expansion of government. We will all be much poorer in 4 years and will be owned by the government. For the first time I do not feel proud to be an American.


    http://www.wethepeoplecan.com

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/13/2009 3:08:50 PM

    This just in from the Cry Me A River Dept.


    Democrat Sens. Schumer, Durbin,and Feinstein are now whining to the Washington Post that ''The CIA is out to get us'' due to the fact that they are not leaking the information they like,as was de rigure during the Age of Bush,forgetting that the CIA bites any hand that feeds it. Pelosi ,caught in serial lies over her involvement with the waterboarding fracas, [ who most certainly can be impeached] was the subject,along with the Senates Rockefeller[D-WVA] of new memos leaked by the CIA to the GOP minority and the press,which makes this deal an even bigger farce than it already is, compounded by the AP showing that Schumer [D-NY] had no problems whatever with the ''ticking time bomb'' waterboarding scenario in 2004 [ ''you must do what you have to do''],and Feinsteins actual defense of waterboarding yesterday to the AP in trying to provide cover for her fellow Cali pal Pelosi.

    The Washington Post May 13,2009 :''Democrats: CIA Out To Get Us''.

    REALCLEARPOLITICS www.realclearpolitics.com May 13,2009:''Democrats Lack Waterboarding Exit Strategy''

    This just in from The Most Ethical Congress In History Dept.

    The House Democrats have now destroyed the earmark transparancy bill promised by Hoyer [D-Md] and Obama. James Oberstar [D-Mn] in one of the most stellar usages of OrwellSpeak since ''we had to destroy the village in order to save it'', mutters to ROLL CALL that we have to hide these earmarks in order to make them more ''transparent'', or something. Americans as of right this minute will be left totally in the dark about these earmarks that will include things like Murtha [D-Pa] shelling out your money by the millions to his own family members on no-bid contracts,exceeding even KBR/HALLIBURTON in Iraq that his own nephew worried about and later went to the press with his worries. For the eighth consecutive time in less than two months, House Democrats have shut down any and all ethics probes, with its committee having exactly nothing on its calender.

    THE HILL May 13,2009: ''House Democrats Shut Down Ethics Probe''

    OMB WATCH www.ombwatch.org May 13,2009:''Earmark Transparancy Takes A Step Backwards''

    Later, How Soda,Chips,Candy,And Gas Will Provide Heathcare To All Americans Despite The Fact That This Will Not Pay For Even A Tenth Of What Is Required And Will Simply Become An Unending Tax Borne By The Poor And Working Class,And Why A Two Trillion Dollar Deficit Is Still Not Enough

    • Posted By: jh35180 @ 05/13/2009 4:23:54 PM

      Lee. Wouldn't it be hilarious to see Pelosi go to a federal women's prison?

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 8:05:49 PM

    Bjsassy, my collection of historical facts are not intended as some sort of denigration of the South or its citizens. My purpose is to inject irrefutable, documented US History to describe the South, its historical legacy of racism to combat any false and inaccurate description of Southern Conservatives as member of a political party that supports and stands for rule of law. There is simply no evidence, no history that supports such a description of the South and a majority of its citizenry. Keeping in mind there is no law against being racist.

    All federal actions taken by the US Government changing their preferable way of life has been only to stop and prohibit racism practiced in the South from illegally harming and oppressing American citizens. I take no personal issue or stance against racism or racists themselves. I am more than happy for them if they spend the rest of their lives being racist. I just do not want to see them affecting national policy or writing laws that affects all Americans. There is far to much evidence they will do what they have always done. Find any instance or opportunity to in some way codify racism into law.

    • Posted By: jh35180 @ 05/13/2009 4:15:06 PM

      Since you are talking about historical facts regarding the South, lets throw in some other historical facts.

      1. Slavery actually started in New England. New England did away with slavery, not because they were so benevolent, but because their rocky soil did not favor a plantation style economy and thus they did away with slavery.

      2. Even though slavery existed in the South until 1865, freed African Americans who lived in the North lived in a largely segregated society.

      3. The South did maintain a period of segregarton and repressive Jim Crow laws for 100 years after slevery ended. Nevertheless, many "progressive" Northern cities such as Chicago and Detroit with a system of defacto segregation forced black who came from the South to live in substandard housing.

      4. During the 1920s, D.C. Stephenson who was the Grand Dragon of the KKK lived in that Southern state of "Indiana." Stephenson was the unofficial governor of the Hoosier State during that period.

      5. Many whites in the Detroit auto industry engaged in violent acts against blacks during the 1940s.

      6. Even though the South has a terribly ugly history with race relations: 1. Slavery, 2. Segregation, 3. Church bombings by Klanmen in Birmingham, Alabama, 4. Birmingham Police Commish Bull Connor utilizing dogs and fire hose on demonstrators, 5. The violence at the University of Mississippi when James Meredith entered Ole Miss, 6. Three civil rights workers who were killed and buried under a dam in Philadelphia, Mississippi, 7. George Wallace's hate speeches, 8. Selma to Montgomery march. It would be negligent to leave out some other facts. In a book that I am reading about Robert Kennedy, one of RFK's biggest fears was violence in Northern and Western cities. It happened in such cities as Detroit (1967), Newark (1967), Los Angeles (1965 and 1992). What about Boston's attempt at desegregating their schools in 1974?

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/13/2009 3:50:21 PM

    This Just In From The Wheres The Money? Dept.


    Every single last economic journal of note on both sides of the Atlantic is beating up Obama soundly in his ''fuzzy math'' arena ,with the New York Times admitting that he may be forced to take a page from ...[drum roll]... JOHN MCCAINS idea on how to utilize federal funding for healthcare when he was a candidate, and when another candidate named Barack Hussein Obama called his ideas ''reckless'',even using a DNC television ad to back him up,accusing McCain of ''benefiting the wealthy''. Obama now sorrowfully admits that McCains idea may be the only way that this will work,but is getting into trouble with Democrats led by the corrupt Charlie Rangel [D-NY]. Iowas Democrat Tom Harkin sez that we should tax soda and candy and chips,already angering his Farm con'stitch'in'see which would pay higher taxes in corn syrup manufacture,eggs, potatos, fruitcose and several other ingredients used to make these items, which would pass these costs onto the poor ,middle and working class in the form of a tax that these will already be paying which would not create even a dent in the annual funding of healthcare which has the already-disputed number of ''90 billion annually''.
    A brand new report from the FDA [which backs the earlier 2007 study by MIT] through the CBO shows Democrats that yes, hundreds of thousands of American jobs will be lost and energy bills skyrocket under their greenhouse emissions plans that the GOP pounced on,creating an opening wide enough to drive a gas-guzzling KENWORTH through,so that the Dems backed down, creating a bickering fracas between moderates,bluedogs and the leftwing that even Obama is staying out of for the moment,already seeing that Aprils ecomonic figures in GDP ,employment, and spending -by-Americans were flatter than a rubber stamp,and that even worse,the billions sent of the auto companies will not stop these from bankruptcy after all. American taxpayers will get nothing in return while the spending spirals into the stratosphere.

    I have a new/old term for this ''Generation O'' It is known as ''Hoover pockets'' .

    BARRONS May 13,2009: ''Boomers Can No Longer Afford To Retire''

    The New York Times May 13,2009:''Healthcare: A Lesson In Financial Pain''

    THE HILL May 13,2009:''The AIG Story:It's Back''

    REASON May 13,2009: ''Hawk In Hoc: Obama Pretends To Be Frugal While We Sink Deeper Into Debt''


    The Wall St. Journal May 13,2009: ''Tax Increases Could Kill Economic Recovery''

    The Financial Times May 13,2009:''Americas Triple-A Rating At Risk''

    INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY May 13,2009:''Social Security: Apocalypse When''?

    BLOOMBERG May 13,2009: ''GM Deal Nothing Short Of Political Ripoff''.

    Change You Can Believe In...............

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/13/2009 2:01:05 PM

    I believe that if truth, honesty and tactual histroy were allowed to be present in thise forum. I suggest that truth would indicate that being a political ally of the evil former didtator Idi Ammin is the same as being a political ally of the people that created racist states and communities in the Sout. Except I think Idi Ammin destroyed less human life than violent racists during the Jim Crow era. The lives of the Blacks still living the consequences being on the receiving end of Jim Crow era racists are still in very much affect. Amazing isn't? Someone actually thinks they can put forth an opinion, point of view that results in Blacks becoming political allies and supporters of that demographic. I wonder if Republicans and Southern Conservatives are surprised how few Blacks vote Republican and why. I 'm sure they have rationalized that question. Perhaps it is because most Blacks are racist? Perhaps it is because Blacks want handouts. Perhaps it is becausebecause Blacks simply are part of the "real Americans" Couldn't have anything to do with the racist ideology of millions of thracist South and what they inflicted on Blacks. Whites have already explained that. Whites have agreed to stop doing that. Blacks just don't get it. Blacks and most American voters should vote Republican, the racist Republicans promise they will not renew their opportunity to again inject or influence racism into national policy.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/13/2009 1:19:51 PM


    ???Brydges says that characterizing the entire south as racist???? It appears as though brydges does not believe that the reality of instituting illegal and unconstitutional Jim Crow laws designed specifically to oppress Blacks. Codify racism into law in every southern state does not indicate racist state governments and a racist majority society.

    What is this supposed to be. Some attempt at mass hypnotism. A few Americans at the defense, purposed to justify the Church bombings, the blatant attacks on little Black children with German Shepherds, etc??? suggesting those were not practical applications of racism? What a twisted attitude and point of view for any human being, any American to deny that Jim Crow laws were racist implemented by racists. Congratulations for your erudite thoughts. Be aware of this. Note this. Not one southern state, nor its White citizenry were willing to go quietly into the night in regards to oppressing Blacks through racist Jim Crow laws.

    The reality of these commentary teach that racism is alive and well. Kept alive by the very attitudes of the people that dare deny the violent racism of the South. Only thing is, if there are ten million of you denying the reality of the racist south, there twenty million Americans that insist the south was racist, Jim Crow laws were racist and they demanded the south stop their legalized racism; and they did. That is factual documented US History. Any version that opposes those facts can only be regarded as misleading, the cries of those pining away for the renewal of racism codified into law, and false.

    Lets see if the attitudes and opinions defending, justifying, explaining, etc??? translate into American society allowing such attitudes to operate ever again inside these United States of America. In fact, I hope these stupid, racist arguments, the stupid racists that demand Blacks get over it, continue until the next elections. A reminder to the entire American electorate the danger to this nation and specifically Black Americans the very real chance of Jim Crow attitudes still alive looking for another chance to influence national policy if they allow Republicans and their racist base in the south to gain control of congress. Not to worry. This is a Christian nation. Every word and opinion expressed, everything being defended my pro racists in this forum I believe has been defeated and inexorably running to its defeat because of the power of the Lord and his stance against every single violent as well as non-violent racist action employed to continue the application of racism on those He loves. Racist are fighting against the Lord and His teachings. They cannot win. Now spin that!

    • Posted By: Palin who? @ 05/13/2009 1:56:34 PM

      Brydges is a right wing idiot that's been spewing garbage on the newsweek blogs since the election last year, I've now learned to ignore the posts as they hold zero fact and typically are hate posts about the democratic party or any other race but white....can we all say "white supremacist"?

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/13/2009 1:42:31 PM

    Xavier Onassis, you are correct. Only they are abounding Conservative Republican bigots now. Hmmmm, Are you implying ths South are no longer a consolidate demographic of bigots? Is the word bigot more palatable than racist? What happened to them? Why do I know many many Blacks and their children still wearing the scars and malevolent consequences of not being able to avoid the vitriolic realities of racism? Whats your advice to them? Get over it. They were not touched by evil? What happened to them can and shouid be defended, rationalized, supported? Are you a political ally of the very people that did these horrible things? I wonder if you will answer?

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/13/2009 1:19:00 PM

    Xavier Onassis, any commentary in regards to the racist Jim Crwo laws that lasted for one hundred years and were outlawed less than fifty years ago? What are your thoughts in regards to the millions of Blacks murderd, lynched, humiliated, intimidated that are still very much alive today, and their children? I would really like to hear that. Suggesti8ng the racist exercises and realities were something that happened over a hundred years ago??

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 4:07:37 PM

    Lee Holmes, I have no idea what you are talking about. All I know is that you and others are constantly referring to the Republican Party and their connection to the Party of Lincoln. Regardless of whatever your point is. The Southern States regardless of how they labeled themselves fought against President Lincoln, the Commander-in-Chief of the Union Army and now they refer to themselves as the Party of Lincoln. There is not and never has been a Southern State that supported President Lincoln and his political party that ended slavery. If you suggest otherwise, you sir are distorting factual US History.

    Now it is apparent that Southern citizens, at least the ones that post commentary want Americans to believe there was a time when Southerners supported Civil Rights for Blacks but that conflicts with the 100 year history of unconstitutional racist Jim crow laws implemented all across the South. So I challenge you to point out one southern state and its citizenry that has ever supported Civil rights, or supported President Lincoln . Unless you now state that after the ending of Jim Crow Laws in the 1960???s Southern states and their citizens became supporters of the Party of Lincoln in spite of the fact he has been dead for over one hundred years and when he was alive the south was at war with him.

    Southern Republicans that suggest they are supporters of Lincolns Republican Party that defeated the Slave states and all people that supported slavery can in no way lend the history of slavery and Jim Crow racism to President Lincoln and any other actual opposition to racism; unless you make it up. Any suggestion the South ever opposed racism is simply a lie. Care to offer the dates of US History when any southern state opposed racism? Surely it wasn???t before or during the Civil War. Incomprehensible to suggest the south opposed racism when every southern state implemented racist Jim crow laws. Now if Southerners, Republicans or otherwise hope to convince any American they now support Civil rights for Blacks and now oppose racism that is a good thing. But let them start that by telling the truth about their historical embrace of racism and stop telling lies. Those lies are any rhetoric that Denys that southern states did not support racism from the founding of this nation until they were forced to abandon Jim crow laws. What good does it do Lee Holmes to frame the Civil War as being a war between Democrats nad Republicans when there has not been one year in US History when the South, the entire South did not support hate, manifested by Slavery and Jim Crow laws in the entire history of the United States until Jim Crow laws were outlawed, judged unconstitutional and abolished??

    • Posted By: Xavier Onassis @ 05/13/2009 1:11:52 PM

      Meanwhile, regardless of one's feelings on Party and the events of 140+ years ago, we cannot borrow our way out of debt. We cannot spend our way to prosperity. And we cannot fund a sustainable Government by printing and borrowing money. Those are the concerns that trouble me as I contemplate the future for my children and grandchildren, black and white. The past administration did a poor job of restraining a reckless Congress which spent heavily beyond revenues. The era of "Hope and change" has steeply accelerated that unsustainable pattern rather than face the fundamental issue of fostering the real new-wealth generation in private industry and agriculture without which government itself cannot endure. We cannot very well tax the government to support the government, can we?

    • Posted By: Xavier Onassis @ 05/13/2009 1:11:29 PM

      The slaves sold to the Southern colonies were brought over by successful New England entrepreneurs contented to profit from the triangle trade in human slaves, cotton, and rum. Those New Englanders thus accumulated the seed wealth that over the years with the wonder of compound interest has given them the aristocratic standing to opine on the oppressive ways of the sinful south.
      History is full of ironies and complications not subject to clearer understanding by the use of name-calling and class generalizations. My Irish ancestors were never slaves, but they were in economic competition for wages with slaves, not an enviable bargaining position. They had a free choice in the face of famine: stay and starve, or sign papers of indentured service in return for Atlantic passage... on one of those Yankee ship lines.
      My ancestors never owned slaves nor supported slavery. I had ancestral combatants on both sides of the 1862-65 war, fighting for many and complicated social, political, and economic reasons of which slavery was one and not necessarily the central one; the economic leverage the moneyed industrial North wielded to the disadvantage of the largely agrarian South was more important to many on both sides. To ignore this fact pattern is to fail to grasp the complexity and meaning of the Civil War and Reconstruction.
      Lincoln was a Republican and did free the slaves. The Democratic party meanwhile and since was the party of Jim Crow in the South and of less popularity in Northern cities. To continue our examination of ironies and complexities, let us consider the Civil Rights Act of 1965. It was passed by a Republican Congress over the objections of many mossbacked and unrepentant Jim Crow Democrats despite the support of the Democratic Texan who was leading us on a disastrous path of overseas war and vast expansion of domestic entitlement program spending. (It is interesting to note that the Trillion dollars spent on War on Poverty programs over the years has provided a middle class income for countless Federal bureaucrats yet not reduced the incidence of reported poverty at all.)
      What is my point? It is this: history is complicated, issues are not black and white, and one needs a thorough and critical study to understand them.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/13/2009 12:22:21 PM

      Garbage. This cuts both ways. The Democrats are as similar,for instance, to an ''FDR''or a ''JFK''as they are to a paper wasp. You forget that Illinois itself supported Jim Crow laws as did California ,Maryland,Indiana,and Ohio and not a damned one of these states are ''southern''. The great musical artist Nat King Cole was refused as late as 1960,the purchase of a home in Los Angeles' Brentwood district due to the fact that he was a black man. Blacks were also refused lodgement in Chicago Lake Michigan Hyde Park [Obamas home] due precisely to these laws that were championed by none other than USSC Justice Oliver Wendall Holmes. A Massachuseets yankee. Not a southerner. One of the nations last public lynchings of blacks took place in San Jose California,and not ''the ''South''.

      We could do this all day. The fact remains that attitudes towards black sufferage were shared by white Americans regardless of their state location [ indeed,the largest Klan membership during its reformation period in the 1920s-1950s was in northern Indiana,and not Mississippi]. The famous USSC decision on the Skokie Klan march as late as the 1970s took place in Illinois,and not ''Alabama''. You are reading a prejudiced viewpoint that is a portion of the problem. Not the solution.

  • Posted By: Skallywag @ 05/13/2009 12:58:01 PM

    For those of you that voted for Obama - Are you ashamed yet?

  • Posted By: JoanR @ 05/13/2009 12:26:53 PM

    Very funny article.Keep it up.When Obama gets to spreading around his newly printed cash to the magazine industry I'm sure that the commitment of the Newsweek staff won't be forgotten

  • Posted By: realpages @ 05/09/2009 9:35:36 PM

    At this point, gleeful Generation O skips along en mass, inspired by the sonorous voice of their millennial piper. Good for them. Good for the country. The country benefits when the voices of all the generations are heard. But, let Generation O understand that Woodstock preceded Altamont, that the intellectual JFK enabled the intellectual horror of McNamara, and that group think and enthusiasm do not necessarily spawn wisdom. I hope, quite deeply, that at the end of his current term, they still hold the same views about the President and the direction he is leading the United States of America and the world.

    I wonder though, if economic conditions worsen as a result of the tune played by their leader, locking the millennials into careers and jobs unbefitting notions of generational and individual importance, will they still feel that big communal O, or just the big oh no? Will they gladly yield high expectations and opportunities to youths in foreign low cost regions and ever increasing numbers of undocumented immigrants so that they might lay claim to citizenship in the World of O? Hopefully, such domestic and global conditions will not materialize and the lot of all humanity will improve. Hopefully Generation O will not be required to make such Hamelinian choices and payments. If they are compelled to do so, my guess is that in the end Generation O will show themselves as being just as human as previous generations, including the Boomers. To paraphrase Churchill, show me a young conservative generation and I'll show you one with no heart. Show me an old liberal generation and I'll show you one with no brains.

    Three cheers to the hearts of Generation O!

    • Posted By: Xavier Onassis @ 05/13/2009 8:41:39 AM

      Well put. I too remember the "scientific management" of Mac Namara and the certainty it inspired as we were led to ruin.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/13/2009 3:29:24 AM

    Iearthorbitsthesun, I am not sure of your point. I think is means the Black vote is miniscule, that Republicans ahve a significant portion of the Black vote, that Conservatives purposefully did not vote in the last two elections and decided to lose those elections. OK, if you say so. But what about my apology? Oh you want a thank you. OK, THANK YOU!!!!!

    • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/13/2009 3:49:02 AM

      Oh ok, for a minute I thought you were able to recuperate with an intelligent rebuttal yet once again I find myself talking to a wall and uneducated assumptions.

      Let me help you I have enjoyed elections far more then any Baseball, Basketball or even Football game. My self Chess and Backgammon are akin to an election same positioning and kill tactics.

      For an obtuse observation and debate do I need to set the realm of potential positioning or is it going to yet be your innuendos of assumption?

      • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/13/2009 4:21:14 AM

        For your apologies I find myself at a stand still it would be as hallow and empty as yours was for me.

        We had nothing to do with the errors of our ancestors; no more then you or I could be held accountable if a sibling, spouse or offspring committed a crime. Would we end up in jail for the association?

        The past should be remembered and never forgotten or repeated when it has been proven to be reckless and destructive. Just as you are not accountable for the misgoverning of your family, how can you judge the offspring of some who did?

        Also I am a second generation born American, born in Michigan grew up in Colorado and living in California. My Ancestors had nothing to do with slavery and guilt by association or being white lends its self to the above paragraph.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/13/2009 2:47:34 AM

    Earthorbitsthesun, excellent commentary, very entertaining. Can you provide a little more? I for one enjoyed reading your synopsis of the slave trade in Africa as well as the census of early America. And especially the part where you require an apology from every freed slave. I will respond in this manner. I for one am not a politician nor do I need to be in held in high regard; any regard at all for that matter. I am not seeking and/or interested in political power for any reason.

    Having said that, people that are interested in gaining political cannot attain national political power without the acceptance, approval and support of the American electorate. Perhaps my perception is mistaken but I am of the belief that most Conservatives that participate on this form are aggressively offering commentary, opinions and beliefs as to why Conservative ideology, Republicans should wield political power in this nation. Having said that the political power they seek to gain will only come by gaining more votes than opposing candidate. Now if for any reason any person what as many votes as they can get, yet willy nilly decide to accomplish their political goals while at the same time thumbing their nose at the Black vote; I think is not smart.

    Now you may be like me. You may simply participate on this forum to express your opinions. Not in any way hoping to capture support of the millions of readers of Newsweek all across this nation. I am only interested in putting in my two cents in regards to whatever is being talked about at the time. But to be honest, I do not care nor attach as much importance to the opinions expressed on this forum as your comment seems to imply. I do not place much value on most comments I read here, absolutely no value on anything you have ever said. Do you think any ordinary and average American really cares; I mean really really cares what you think? I think you get my point, which is probably pretty similar to most ordinary Americans. Now if one hopes to sway readers to support their political views. Writing off the Black vote for any reason is just not smart. In fact I believe those that fail to gain electoral support from the Black community are at a significant disadvantage at the ballot box. Now what was your point. Oh I remember now.

    It seems as though you have read something on this forum that compelled you to say that you want an apology from every freed slave. I heard you. I sincerely hope you realize everything you hoped for or imagined by me acknowledging I am one Black man that heard what you said. Did my response satisfy you? Is there any response that would satisfy you? I do not think so, but I did the best I could.

    • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/13/2009 3:14:35 AM

      Hey Bosmith, I understand your nice comfortable disillusionment must be tough to have to consider having ended up being a Democrat. Your long drawn out version of how republicans are once again the racist majority was a nice quaint read. As for your regards for anything I have said amusing yet in fact is your down fall your inability to outside your racist bigoted one mindedness.

      As for the Republican Party; if you for even a minute stepped out side your safe secluded little world and investigated with no pre misconception you would see the my amusement with anything you have posted.

      First your assumption of the need of the Republican Party for votes we have in our party a significant number of African Americans, Mexican Americans???

      Look at polls from the last election no not the ones done by News Week or MSNBC or any other of the private corporation. You'll find the Republican voter base which normally votes did not in full the last election. Since from reading your last post you have taken an air of sophistication I would assume you could give me the researched and supported reasons for this differential?

      Next is the turn out of your touted black vote was minuscule and to the purported estimates can you also fathom an answer for me?

      I also still await my thank you?

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/13/2009 3:10:15 AM

    Earthorbitsthesun, if you have the time or the interest perhaps you could provide your opinion about how the southern states and its citizenry were not all responsible and/or complict in supporting, perpetuating the violent southern history of racism perpetrated on Blacks when there were noslaves. How long did that last? Was it about 100 years? I would also be interested in the number of Blacks persecuted, how many White Southerners in every Southern State exercised racist Jim Crow lawsand provided a Jim Crow culture of lynchings, burnings, murders, persecution, humiliation, etc???

    Perhaps if you do that you may get an apology from me on behalf of my slave ancestry. Is that something you are agreeable to? I promise you I am more than happy to apologize to you. Hey, how about this, ???.Earthorbitsthesun, I sincerely apologize to you on behalf of my freed slave ancestry.??? Is that what you wanted? Did it meet your desires? It was my pleasure.

  • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/13/2009 1:55:52 AM

    I see your still slurring you hypocritical facts, ssshh don???t tell anyone I???m Batman!

    Domestic Slavery was common in Africa and well before European slave buyers arrived and last up to 1964. The slave trade could not have endured for four centuries without the cooperation of a huge network of African rulers. African societies also profited handsomely from selling slaves to the West, and thus strongly supported the transatlantic slave trade. The stronger black states of the coastal regions "managed to monopolize the traffic with the hinterland [and] prospered amazingly." Numerous African kingdoms gained their might and prosperity entirely from slaving. It is likely, in fact, that the transatlantic slave trade actually created more employment for African dealers than for their European counterparts. African slave traders captured black people with black people, tribes attacked other tribes, rounded them up and sold them to slave captures for money or supplies.

    In 1808 the congress of the United States made it illegal to bring slaves in to the United States.

    In 1860 of a white Southern population of 5,500,000, 400,000 families owned slaves

    Yet you want all the Southern people to apologize; just as a rule of thumb if only 400,000 families owned slaves going by a demographic wouldn???t it stand the majority was not involved, they all should Apologize or just Repulicans? So all Republicans are racists, ding-ding-ding give the man another teddy bear!

    The Civil War of 1861-1865 the population of the Northern states 22,000,000 went to war with the Southern States white population of 5,500,000. The Union Army had up to 2,750,000 solders and lost a total of 360,222 troupes.

    I require a thank you from every freed slave and will not consider any other proposal until I have one!

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 9:32:57 PM

    ToTheRight, there are racist in all communities. But the racism exercised in the South was extraordinary. The south needs to admit, accept what occurred down their, own up to it. Denounce that behavior and proudly walk away, heads held high, liberated by truth and honesty and move on the the natural reconcilliation that always follws. Any denial of reality, any imagined defense or acceptability of such actions will make the defenders appear racist and/or supportive of racism. As far as I 'm concerned their is no other viable option to Southerners and Republicans if they truly are not racist and truly want to be recognized as a political party that is supportive of all Americans and should therefore be considered for governance and national leadership. Other than that I do not think the person has been born that can convince any member of the Black Community the South is not racist nor any non-Black Americans thtat devoted tim, affort and support ot Blacks that resulted in the end og legalized racism. But that is just my opinion. Probably pretty similar to the vast majority of American Blacks.

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