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  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 9:00:13 PM

    SoBJsassy, do you actually think you are defending the patriotic heritage of the racist south along with ToTheRight that results in calling a Black man never accused of, never having particvipated in any racist action aracist. Oh, I get it. I I say the South's history of racist actions such as lynchings and Church bombings, that means I am a racist? I wonder how many Americans think that? Notwithstanding, the real racists. The ones that fought to maintain racist Jim crow laws and lost. Ergo, no more Jim Crow. But those that denounce racism are the racists. If you and ToThe Right say so.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 8:54:43 PM

    ToTheRight, come on now. Have some decency. I have just posted a collection of historical racist facts Souther White racists afflicted on Blacks and you still dare call anybody racist? What an astounding illustration of willful ignorance. You can say or think what you want but I tell you no federal agency ever came to my hometown or state and demanded my family or any family is the state stop practicing illegal and unconstitutional racism. Do you really think that denying the heritage of racism in the south means it never happened, or was not recorded as the dark days of the United SDtates. Defend that behavior all you want. Pretend those racist actions are not examples of the most virile hate filled actions ever commited by mankind in all humanity, but only racists would support you. Certainly not most Americans. Go ahead,It is actually outrageous ofr any southerner to ever have the nerve to call anybody a racist, with their history and legacy of viloent racism. phooey

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 8:17:41 PM

    BJsassy, are you actually the horrible inhumae history of Jim Crow laws, the lives they destroyd and events that led to the end of Jim Crow as "vague generalizations ?"sheesh Unfortunate for you most Americans do not and have never seen the Jim Crow era as a vague generalization. I recall Southern Blacks helpless ond defenseless and powerless to exact fair and constitutional support from any city, town or state in the South. Blacks were murdered, lynched, Chuches bombed, little Black cjildren killed. When Blacks protested against such treatment, marched peacefully to protest. Therewer mass arrests of Blacks. But the zealousness of the racists made a profound mistake. They murdered two young White college students, along with a Black one. Shortly after that main streets across the South were filled up with Whies, Jews, Methodists, marching arm in arm with Blacks. Southerners were prepared to continue to kill Blacks, but smart enough to realize when Whites from the North came South, all the racists turned to water. They knew better than to attempt to exercise such evil on Northen Whites. they didn't and shortly after Southern Racists no longer even practiced legalized racism against Blacks. So much for the tough guy attitudes that occassionally come out of the south. Anyway, none of that, what I just said is a vague characterization. It is factual American History, whether you like it or not. As far as you suggesting my commentary is vague. Did not every single citizen of the south change the way they lived? Call that vague huh? righttttttttt.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 7:40:29 PM

    Bjsassy, I do not understand what point you are trying to make by asking me to name one current Republican Lawmaker that is racist and/or one Jim Crow law now in affect. The reason I do not understand what your point is because you cannot point out when any Southern Conservative Republican ever in US History. Citizen and/or the state they live in ever supported Civil Rights. You seem to be moving toward your personal belief that southern racism was abandoned in the south when American Society forced the end of racist Jim Crow laws. Personally I do not think it reasonable, probable or likely the embrace of racism codified into law in every southern state until the 1960???s lends itself to Southerners abandoning racism, even if they say it does.

    Ergo, here is my answer to your question. I am pretty sure that every Southern Lawmaker that you named lived under a racist unconstitutional system of law, Jim Crow. A racist culture. A racist community. Not only the people you named, but their families, their neighbors, their Ministers, their forefathers. They exercised not just racism, but violent racism. I cannot think of one member of Congress, Governor, Law Enforcement Officer over the age of fifty that presently are in office that did not grow up, raise their families and were raised in an environment that supported, perpetrated and fought to maintain racism through racist Jim Crow laws. There, you have my answer. Now I suspect you and other Republicans, especially Southern Republicans believe that when Jim Crow Laws were outlawed Southern racism ended. I do not. And even if anybody chooses to believe that the South???s embrace ended when those Jim Crow Laws were outlawed, do you dare suggest racism did not exist, violent racism at that did not exist all across the South up until the 1960???s?

    I suppose it would be reasonable for those that attempt to portray the South and its citizens as not racist by their self-serving rhetoric they are of the party of Lincoln, being reduced, caught in their lies, to call me a racist; but that is a lie. The South hated President Lincoln. Went to war against his government, wanted him dead. It is actually rather absurd for Republicans, especially those that grew up in the South and know the hate and the wars southerners waged against the Union Army whose Commander-in-Chief was president Lincoln. Southerners that grew up in an environment where persecuting Blacks and ignoring the US Constitution was acceptable.

    The heritage and legacy of the South is a history of VIOLENT RACISM. If you disagree, what do you think the legacy of the South is? Good luck selling that to the American electorate. I ain???t buying it.

    • Posted By: bjsassy @ 05/12/2009 7:55:32 PM

      Well, Bosmith, you obviously cannot name a specific example. You use vague generalizations and accused all of these governors of being racists. You are filleded with so much anger and rage that it is impossible for you to see beyond your hatred. I hope that you find peace someday. You are a troubled soul.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/12/2009 3:54:46 PM

    Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/10/2009 11:29:15 PMIt's still not a "historical footnote". They just killed some poor woman they recruited over the internet recently. And the Democrats and Republicans have more or less switched places over the last century - I believe everyone is aware at, by this point, it's the Republicans who truly represent the politics of white resentment.


    You would get an argument from none other than the President of the United States, who appears to reserve his own resentment at singular figures, with the bombastic [and quite white] Limbaugh being at the top of the menu for the moment. This newest Stoop To Conquer idiocy was revealed to Americans only this last weekend, which displayed a complete lack of style as well as substance, infantile and intolerant in its application and drawing all sides into the mess.

    Remarks, Chris Hitchens [SLATE,VANITY FAIR],attendee, The White House Correspondants Dinner [and party] May 09,2009:

    ''the black *** got it wrong. The president should not have smiled''.

    Remarks , Press Secretary Robert Gibbs,CSPAN,May 11,2009:

    ''9/11 should be a time for serious reflection,and not a source of comedy'' [refusing to take any more questions on the controversial comments made at the WHCD].

    Gibbs was squirming due to the fact that this was not all that Wanda Sykes, African-American comic and self-described ''lesbian activist'' [ already making the GLTB community look stupid and intolerant for the second time in as many weeks],had to say regarding Limbaugh, who according to Sykes, was supposed to be the ''20th Hijacker'' before he was to ''die'' of the ''kidney failure'' Sykes arrogantly meted out to him with cameras catching the full view of Obamas laughter which is already arraying kidney dialysis patients across the nation against the administration for what these accurately view as an uncaring attitude,hence Gibbs blundering comments this morning. Obama looks like a pukka-sahib hack, Sykes like a raging moron,Gibbs like someone who is sent forth to defend the indefensible,and Hitchens scotch-fortified upon levying his own intemperate remarks.

    The Wall Street Journal May 10,2009:''Two Jokes:What Makes Wanda Sykes Witless Vulgarity Amusing To The President''?

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/12/2009 7:34:04 PM

      Sykes was way out of line. I disapprove of her comments as thoroughly as I do those of Rush. They were atrocious.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 5:23:54 PM

    Now I am only guessing but when I read Lee Holmes frame the Civil War with a fictional war between Democrats and Republicans, as weel as Wise1 referring the Republican Party to the party of equality, I can see a hopeful motive behind such inventions. The sold south is practically a Republican stronghold. In fact TV political pundits often refer to thr Republican Party as a regional party. That region bieg the South. So I guess it makes sense to clothe the Souterns states as connected to the ???Party of Lincoln??? that defeated the South during the Civil War and ended slavery even though neither Southern Strates nor most southern citizens aver supported President Lincoln when he was alive.

    In fact went to war against President Lincoln the Commander-inChief and leader of the Republican Party. Even after the south???s defeat they never gave up their ideological goals, their most important goals. Goals they have spent more time and effort, money and lives on than any other issues sine the founding of this nation. That was and is oppressing Blacks. Up to nad including the Civil War and racist Jim crow Laws for one-hyundred years after the civil. Indicating the South and a vast majority of its citizens have been the entire history of this nation apporeesing Blacks. Can anybody name one thing Southerners pursued longer and more passionately than codyfing racism into their communities, their states?

    I write these truths because I believe that now Southern citizens, Conservative Republican citizens are attempting to portray themselves as the party of equality. A supporter of Civil rights and none of that is true. If that is true. If it is true the South has ever supported Civil rights, ever supported equality and Constitutional Rights for all Americans. Can someone please tell me when that was? Was it during the time of Slavery? Was it during the 100 years of Jim Crow laws implemented in every state in the south from North Carolina all the way to Texas? I honestly cannot recall any time in US Histroy the southern states and/or the majority of its citizenry ever did not fight to have racism codified into law, that they may legally oppress Blacks. Unless they are referring to a time when racist Jim crow laws were judged unconstitutional and outlawed. Sometime during the 1960???s, and I personally do not believe the outlawing of racist Jim Crows laws lends itself to racists abandoning racism.

    Can anybody tell me when the South and/or Southern Conservative Republicans have ever in the entire history of the United States ever supported Civil Rights and opposed racism manifested by the implementation of Jim crow laws? Please somebody tell me when that was because I think the South ahs never supported Civil Rights, has never opposed racism, in fact has always supported racism, regardless of the fabrications Conservative Republicans post on this forum. Am I the only one on this forum that think truth and honesty are important? Hmmmmmm

    • Posted By: bjsassy @ 05/12/2009 6:47:57 PM

      Bosmith, yesterday I gave a specific example of Strom Thurmond coming around and supporting the Civil Rights Act. I would like to turn the tables on you. Can you give a specific example of what current or recent southern Republican governor or member of Congress has opposed the Civil Rights Act or supported the Jim Crow laws? What specific Jim Crow law is still enforced? I will post a few of the southern Republican governors here:
      Robert Riley, Al
      Charles Crist, FL
      Sonny Perdue, GA
      Bobby Jindal, LA
      Haley Barbour, MS
      Mark Sanford, SC
      Rick Perry, TX

      It would take up too much space to list the southern Republican representatives or senators, but feel free to point out anyone that are racists. Please be specific. Of course, my thoughts would be that the media would be all over a racist member of Congress or a openly biased governor, but what do I know. I am just a conservative.

    • Posted By: bjsassy @ 05/12/2009 6:45:22 PM

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 4:47:36 PM

    Lee Holmes, I have no idea what you are talking about. All I know is that you and others are constantly referring to the Republican Party and their connection to the Party of Lincoln. Regardless of whatever your point is. The Southern States regardless of how they labeled themselves fought against President Lincoln, the Commander-in-Chief of the Union Army and now they refer to themselves as the Party of Lincoln. There is not and never has been a Southern State that supported President Lincoln and his political party that ended slavery. If you suggest otherwise, you sir are distorting factual US History.

    Now it is apparent that Southern citizens, at least the ones that post commentary want Americans to believe there was a time when Southerners supported Civil Rights for Blacks but that conflicts with the 100 year history of unconstitutional racist Jim crow laws implemented all across the South. So I challenge you to point out one southern state and its citizenry that has ever supported Civil rights, or supported President Lincoln . Unless you now state that after the ending of Jim Crow Laws in the 1960???s Southern states and their citizens became supporters of the Party of Lincoln in spite of the fact he has been dead for over one hundred years and when he was alive the south was at war with him.

    Southern Republicans that suggest they are supporters of Lincolns Republican Party that defeated the Slave states and all people that supported slavery can in no way lend the history of slavery and Jim Crow racism to President Lincoln and any other actual opposition to racism; unless you make it up. Any suggestion the South ever opposed racism is simply a lie. Care to offer the dates of US History when any southern state opposed racism? Surely it wasn???t before or during the Civil War. Incomprehensible to suggest the south opposed racism when every southern state implemented racist Jim crow laws. Now if Southerners, Republicans or otherwise hope to convince any American they now support Civil rights for Blacks and now oppose racism that is a good thing. But let them start that by telling the truth about their historical embrace of racism and stop telling lies. Those lies are any rhetoric that Denys that southern states did not support racism from the founding of this nation until they were forced to abandon Jim crow laws. What good does it do Lee Holmes to frame the Civil War as being a war between Democrats nad Republicans when there has not been one year in US History when the South, the entire South did not support hate, manifested by Slavery and Jim Crow laws in the entire history of the United States until Jim Crow laws were outlawed, judged unconstitutional and abolished??

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 4:01:47 PM

    Lee Holmes seems to think their was a war fought between Democrats and Republicans? Where is that recorded in US History?

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 2:28:47 PM

    For all Southern Conservative republicans that mislead Americans that they are somehow connected to President Lincoln and the Republican Party that President Lincoln led. You all should be ashamed for your misleading rhetoric. Every single Southern State and its citizens fought against President Lincoln and he defeated the South. Any and all Southern republicans of today from Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, fought against president Lincoln, Commander-in Chief of the Union Army that not only beat the South into unconditional surrender, he also ended Slavery.

    Unfortunately racism in the defeated south was so prevalent, after they lost the right to enslave; the vast majority of the citizens of the South invented and implemented racist Jim crow laws designed specifically to oppress Blacks. And now that the democratic Party championed Civil Rights for Blacks, the angry racist citizens joined the Republican Party and now they refer to themselves as the Party of Lincoln. What an evil and shameful lie.

    The very people that implemented Jim Crow laws now lie to Americans suggesting they are the people that championed Civil Rights for Blacks. It is amazing the amount of shame it must have on racists they reality that American Society rejects racism, so now racist join the Republican Party and think they can fool Americans into believing they did not support racism in the form of Jim Crow. What a crock. Jim Crow laws were implemented all across the South. So what southern States and what White Southerners actually believe they can convince anybody their was ever a Southern State that didn???t support racism and the majority of the citizens of the South? Now which Southern states, almost every Southern state now votes Republican. Which of those states did not support Jim crow Laws. NONE! Which of those states ever supported President Lincoln???s Republican Party? NONE of them. Why are Southerners lying about this? Every American knows the truth. Most American think very little of liars. Why continue to lie?










    • Posted By: John Dough @ 05/12/2009 3:50:46 PM

      Lincoln the first republican president freed the slaves the democrats of the SOUTH oppossed this and the democrats controlled the south. The north was republican and the south DEMOCRAT. As for the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 the republicans passed that not the democrats. Democratic president Johnson signed the act into law and said he'd just delivered the south to the GOP. Your knowlede of history is pathetic you must of gone to public school.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/12/2009 3:27:15 PM

    bosmith: Now which Southern states, almost every Southern state now votes Republican.

    Garbage. The United States Congress in the 111th finds that every single last former slave holding state including ''Confederacy'' and ''Border'' is Democrat -dominated with only two states, Alabama and Louisiana, reaching parity between the two parties representatives. Texas had to wait until 2002 to get a GOP-led state legislature. Georgia, until 2003 to elect its first post-Reconstruction GOP governor. Your grasp of basic mathematics escapes you. How can the Democrats hold both houses of Congress with huge majorities in the House, if these meddlesome Southerners ''vote Republican'' all the time? Try peddling your nonsense to former slave-holding Virginia,North Carolina, or Arkansas where these have Democrat governors. or House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who represents the former slave holding Maryland, or President Pro Tempore of the Senate Robert Byrd, who represents the former slave-holding West Va. or the Democrat chairmen and women of the nations most powerful committees who all hail from former slave-holding Texas [Reyes], Lee [Texas] Thompson [Mississippi], Nelson [Florida],Lewis [Georgia], Warner [Virginia] and until he was forced out due to his impeachment as a judge, Hastings [Mississippi].

    These are tired excuses that no longer hold any water.

  • Posted By: eclecticman1 @ 05/12/2009 3:19:57 PM

    As an oild liberal, i welcome this new generation. Being a liberal is not easy as self interests and fear, can over time, weaken one's resolve to help out his fellow man. But then there is always Peter Seeger, who at 90, shows that age does not have to be the enemy of doing good.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/12/2009 3:13:56 PM

    Posted By: RS NC @ 05/12/2009 2:49:31 PMThe Democrats aren't the ones singing songs about "Magic Negros"...

    Nope. They are browbeating Miss American finalists by calling them ''***'' and desiring that political opponants die of kidney failure instead, with even the POTUS finding this quite funny.

  • Posted By: cujat @ 05/12/2009 2:29:26 PM

    Since when is Obama's economic plan "practical"? Borrowing Trillions we dont have and expanding government(which is great at wasting tax dollars) is far from my defenition of practical.

  • Posted By: Apolitical @ 05/12/2009 1:54:53 PM

    There is hope for the new generation after all. Yes, I saw them work for Obama in the last election and most of them are now flocking to Obama's expanded volunteer service programs for community and foreign assignments. Obama truly inspires the young generations with his brilliance, intelligence and visions.

  • Posted By: MichaelX @ 05/12/2009 10:02:11 AM

    Are you peoplle for real? It's all about NOW, not THEN. Idiots like you are what make it hard to move ahead.
    Rememberance of things past do not make the future better. History is a problem. Let's make it from now on, better than it was, and SHUT UP?

    • Posted By: bjsassy @ 05/12/2009 1:13:18 PM

      MichaelX. Those who do not remember history or doomed to repeat it. Each generation has value. We should respect and learn to tolerate each other.

  • Posted By: bosmith @ 05/12/2009 12:56:42 PM

    Vigilance, I thought I would mention that I purchased a math software program I saw advertised on ???The Math Help Forum.??? at http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/calculus/. The name of the software is ???Calculus Solved.??? It is located at www.bagatrix.com The software is excellent. You can type in any derivative or integral. Trigonometric or otherwise and it will not only solve the problem, it will offer a step-by-step solution to the function. It only costs $39.99 to download or the same with taxes if you have the CD mailed to you.

    I know that you do not need the software as I do. In fact I only posted this comment in an effort to assist anybody participating on this forum if they know of someone studying Calculus. A lot of us on this forum seem to be so stubborn, so hard-headed, they seem to think they know everything, are way beyond the human reality of being able to learn something from anybody else, especially if they are of a different ethnicity or political leanings; if they are more interested in learning than pronouncing and portraying they no more than everybody else. Maybe I can add something of substance to this forum by telling you. Who knows, maybe one of these know it all will either purchase the software for someone they think it may be a help to?

  • Posted By: SrAN @ 05/12/2009 12:42:16 PM

    Ok where do I start. There has been so much political party bashing going on here that I think many of you have lost the whole point of this article. So for the sake of trying to get back on track. The article clearly states that many younger voters are not identifying themselves as either Democratic or Republican first but they are identifying themselves as American first. I for one can completely agree with that, as a 25 year old voter I do not vote purely on the grounds of party. Instead I take a good look at the candidates as individuals. I did not vote this year because I felt like I was choosing the lesser of 2 evils. I did not agree with either side on many of the issues that were relevant in this campaign. So for those of you out there who now think my opinion is not worth a thing because I did not vote then please tell me why you voted.
    The article also states that these people are getting together to blog about life across mainstream America. the only problem that I see with this is that the bloggers are Obama supporters. I think to get a clear view of mainstream America they need to take a broader view from Obama supporters and non supporters alike. If they want this to be a histrorical record they need to treat it as such, taking all views into consideration.
    With that said, for those out there who just can't seem to agree...guess what, not everyone thinks like you. so instead of fighting like children with name calling how about we act like the adults I hope we are and have an actual debate based on the topic. Stop trying to promote your own agenda.

  • Posted By: PAConserv @ 05/12/2009 12:41:56 PM

    After reading many of these post, I would like to propose that the voting age be raised to 25.

  • Posted By: Thevail @ 05/12/2009 12:30:04 PM

    Liberalism my indeed be, like acne, an issue that strikes earlier in life...
    But I believe that makes conservatism... the Depends years of incontinence and MEMORY failure..

    The concept of conservatism is great, so is the concept of liberalism.... (if you've actually read about socialism and communism they sound pretty good on paper too).. but putting any political theory into action EFFECTIVELY seems nearly impossible.

    These days "conservatve political values" means transfering wealth from everyone on the ground in America to the top 3% of the populace with all due speed, and undue haste.

    It's been so long since anyone even tried liberalism (even the GOP regarded Clinton as a moderate) that who knows what it means? But I'm certainly willing to find out. If it starts less than 2 wars... and doesn't collapse the economy... it'll be better than conservatism.

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