Ask the Kurds in Karbalah if Saddam had chemical weapons. The Iraqi gov't was Sunni, Al-Qaeda is Sunni. We had been at war w/ Iraq within the last 8 years, Al Qaeda had just managed to kill more Americans than the entire first Gulf War... is anyone surprised that the US government didn't triple check their sources while looking for the appropriate response after 9/11? Now, 8 years later, we might know that Al Qaeda despised the Iraqi regime as corrupt, but in 2001 our intelligence was ***. Iraq was actively playing up the weapons of mass destruction propaganda because they thought Iran was bigger threat than the US. Hindsight is 20/20. And criticizing decisions after the fact is hypocritical.
It's funny how the world's media is preoccuppied with criticizing US/Nato policy, but there is very little disection of Militant Islam's blatant hypocrisy. They justify their hatred of the West with the Palestinian (Shiite) cause, then set off car bombs in Shiite neighborhoods in Iraq. The US gets criticized for the mess at Gitmo and we're expected to be contrite in the face of international complaints- and rightly so. Mention the dragging of US Soldiers thru Mogadishu or the bodies of contractors hanging from bridges in Iraq and watch the PRIDE that the enemy displays. The biggest problem NATO has is their attention to public opinion. Win the battle on the ground, then let the politicians do whatever they want after the fact.
And to "Vigilance", who said "I'm through being moderate on this, like I said. You and the other proxy torturers and callous "clash of civilization" types who think Middle Easterners aren't actually people can go straight to hell, and take your terrified "kill them before they kill us!" pleas with you." What part of your statement involves Vigilance? You sound like someone who doesn't want to try anymore, giving in, wussing out. Nobody said Middle Easterners aren't actually people. Nazis were people, too. BAD PEOPLE. Grow a pair or change your name.
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Posted By: jcred @ 09/30/2009 10:09:52 AM
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Posted By: Trooper101st @ 08/24/2009 7:44:27 AM
Who is this "Mysterious Uday"...like to meet him. Sure it would be a VERY interesting conversation...
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Posted By: Trooper101st @ 08/24/2009 7:39:40 AM
Pretty cool Mellow Malcolm...4 real
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Posted By: Trooper101st @ 08/24/2009 7:38:38 AM
Wow, wats the fuss? Just another dead hadji..now he can have his 72 GOATS...LOL!!!!
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 3:15:08 PM
brydges and "YOUSOCRAZY" apparently have the whole day to waste explaining to people all over the world why they owe bloggers who spend weekdays clogging message boards up "their freedom". Presumably this freedom has something to do with the insults like "sand hole" that they're throwing around. I myself don't have the time to waste my whole workday on this, so I'll just get at the real reason I'm posting here:
To the rest of the world, please do not hate us all for the actions and attitudes of the worst 40% of the country. There are plenty of us here who aren't that self-absorbed, and who want to actually pursue peace and prosperity and cultural exchange with other nations who are interested in the same thing. We're working on it, and Obama is our best symbol of this new attitude on world cooperation.-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:26:34 PM
"To the rest of the world, please do not hate us all for the actions and attitudes of the worst 40% of the country."
Is not hate all Americans. Is see difference between Brydges who think is superior to all brown peoples and Americans just want to live they lives.
Is problem: Is American like Brydges is run you country too much, is send soldiers to kill brown peoples to make moneys for American companies, yes? Is American like Bush and Cheney is torture brown peoples only for fun. Is American like Obama who is not prosecute (is right word?) Bush and Cheney for torture, is make up excuse, is do nothing, is say okay for next time. Is Americans just want to live they lives let it happen.-
Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/13/2009 8:16:05 PM
Yeah Uday,but you will be reminded that dozens of your ''brown people'' were blown into cinders by a US airstrike in Afghanistan two weeks ago led by a commander-in-chief who criticized the Bush administration for blowing people into cinders.
Yet for some reason UDAY sounds like someone once very familiar on these boards who was precisely as humourous then as this person is now. That they may be one and the same person may not be a surprise. If so, welcome back,no matter the new nom de plume.-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/14/2009 10:20:35 AM
Is business as usual, yes?
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Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/14/2009 3:02:58 PM
Precisely, thus it is for this reason why no-one holds a higher moral position in this debate. Obama will win passes for things that had critics calling for Bushs head on a pike.[yes,American soldiers continue to die in Iraq,and the nation as expected against the withdrawl ,whenever this comes, is dessending again into violence. Here is a big reason why].
The shifty,dishonest House Speaker, who is already facing the music for her lies regarding these ''torture memos'' lied to us before, when she asserted while visiting with Syrias Assad that ''the road to peace runs through Damascus''.
Yet we now find out that the Syrians are the direct cause of the new violence flaring in Iraq that includes the killings of US servicemembers from IED attack launched by fighters penetrating the Syrian/Iraq border. Obama, having already been gulled once by Pelosis Man in Damascus, pulled a ''won't get fooled again'' number and slapped sanctions on Syria,for whatever these are worth. Despite the self-flagullation by critics of the former Bush administration regarding certain of these ''brown people'' [Pakistans ''brown people'' are now ,quite ant-like, quickly constructing two huge new plutonium processors near Islamabad that have but one purpose,thus worrying the other ''brown people'' in India, who are dealing with other ''brown people''who have launched a bloody Maoist insurrection in Indias north busily killing other ''brown people''].
Now. We could sit back and let all of these ''brown people'' have at it, thus ''decreasing the surplus population''[ Charles Dickens] ,except for the fact that if the wrong ''brown people'' get their hands on a nuke, and a plutonium one at this, ''making money for American companies'' will not really be the extant concern now, will it?-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/14/2009 4:03:07 PM
Is Muslims get nukes, Muslims is use on each other first.
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Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/15/2009 3:15:04 PM
I am unsure of this. [as is Obama, as the new rumour now making the DRUDGE rounds is that US SF teams are being trained in order to take the above plants and other Pak nuke sites if the Taliban closes in or anarchy controls that country]. If so, Obama is being watchful of events as they relate to denying jihadis these devices. Even in a detached-from-MIRV form, one vehicle placed in a container no larger than a produce trailer would come in right handy in taking out a quarter -million people or more. But aimed at ''Muslims''? Probably not. Perhaps here instead.
The 2012 London Olympics.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 3:50:19 PM
Yes it???s because of your brown skin and not because you are a poor excuse for a human being. Yes everyone who disagrees with you is racist. LOL
For some one who hates our politics you sure do know the liberal battle cry-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:55:05 PM
Is not Uday say Udays people is "inferior" to fat ass Americans, yes? Is you. You think all brown peoples is animals.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 4:02:53 PM
Your stupidity is not the fault of your skin color. It's most likely from lack of education, morals, and the liberal media here in the U.S.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:09:00 PM
Is not fooling nobody, Brydges. Is see you call brown peoples country "sandholes", is see you call brown peoples "inferior".
Is just like America to everybody everywhere, is dump goat piss on head, is tell peoples is raining. Is nobody believe you, is nobody believe America when America talk "freedom" and then come and kill brown peoples for 200 years, is Middle East, is Phillipines, is Costa Rica, is Honduras, is many many places, yes? Is the gangsters wrapped in flags.-
Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 4:13:35 PM
Yawn - Typical
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:32:58 PM
Is okay if you run. Most of sissies do.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 4:41:48 PM
I don't debate with my dog either
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Posted By: Groenhagen @ 05/13/2009 4:54:14 PM
Given that Michael Isikoff is not above making up stories about flushed Korans, is it possible that he is posting here as "Uday Salizer" iin order to draw more attention to this story? "Uday" is clearly an American who believe he is writing as a foreigner would write.
www.sinsofthehusband.com-
Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 5:10:34 PM
Good point and good enough reason to no longer respond to his pathetic comments
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 5:39:09 PM
Is okay to cry, Brydges.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 5:01:30 PM
Uday is think you need doctor for you brain.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:54:05 PM
So now peoples not in America are the dogs?
Uday was right. Brydges is the Nazi.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 4:25:17 PM
I would like the world to know that the U.S. does not consist of week minded fools that look like the majority on this site.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:37:15 PM
World knows, Brydges. Is most Americans support killing brown peoples for moneys. Is not, America is not burning down world, scream "freedom" while drop bomb on peoples what never hurt America.
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 3:41:42 PM
BTW, more like 65%, and anyone concerned with the "make -a-friend" appoarch to the rest of the world at the expense of our right to respond in kind is such a mental and physical weakling that your new world order will have you and your kind at the bottom rung of the ladder begging for more friendship, and the just fairness that is nonexistent in the "world economy", pathetic, that will never be the choice of American men!
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:52:35 PM
"BTW, more like 65%"
Right, is why McCain win election, yes?-
Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 3:57:21 PM
For the mentally challanged: The election had nothing to do with opinions on waterboarding!
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:01:34 PM
And so? Republicans is out of power, is no more torture (so Obama say, Uday don't believe). Is "mission accomplished". Now is fun watch republicans cry like little girl on internet.
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Posted By: Dredd @ 05/14/2009 3:37:49 PM
We are surprised every time our capacity to believe that a fellow human being would not do a particular act is challenged. Even seasoned veterans of police forces are surprised sometimes.
It is because our own decency sometimes acts as blinders to what craven people will do. Professionals learn to take off the blinders, but for the rest of us it happens much more slowly.
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/do-we-confuse-capacity-with-morality.html
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/14/2009 11:49:41 AM
"Posted By: paulejb @ 05/14/2009 10:45:38 AMNo it is the other way around, Uday. Obama's teleprompter is the first one to use a president. The teleprompter is running the country."
But is LIBERAL teleprompter or CONSERVATIVE teleprompter?
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 2:04:42 PM
Remember what Will Rogers ment to say: I never met a dead muslim that I didn't like better than when he was alive!
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 3:16:46 PM
Actually, I think the quote was "I never met a person I didn't like." He didn't exclude anyone from that. Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, American, Middle Eastern, Japanese, black, white, brown, green or purple-polka-dotted. If you're going to put his name in your mouth, understand what he stood for.
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 3:48:12 PM
When you reply to an American who can write clearly(unlike uday) learn to read first! I purposely wrote "ment to say"!
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Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 9:54:13 PM
May I ask, how many languages are you even semi-literate in? Obviously English is not one of them.
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Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 10:50:55 PM
Sorry, that last comment was directed at, obviously,YOUSOCRAZY. Not Uday! My apologies.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/14/2009 10:15:57 AM
Is okay.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/14/2009 10:15:32 AM
Is not speak English, is not literate in any language? Silly American, make Uday laugh. Is more than one language in world. Uday think you maybe need less coffee.
Love and kisses,
Uday.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:56:19 PM
Is "meant", I think. Learn to speak own language, yes? Even piece of crap translation software writer more smart than you.
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 4:00:23 PM
Yes, I should spend time debating spelling with you, right!
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Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 9:57:24 PM
Brilliant! It is incredulous that there are peoplewho can yell so loudly; without having a clue what the hell it is you are hollering about.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:09:42 PM
Is not Uday first language. Is you has excuse?
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:11:12 PM
Why not? Is how rest of everyone feel about America.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/12/2009 8:08:10 PM
Okay. I'm done being moderate on this. I want the CIA and Bush administration prosecuted. This torture scandal is like a cancer eating away at our country's morale and soul. I know, for one, that I have never felt myself to be quite as motivated and enthusiastic about living and working in my country since I first heard about Abu Ghraib.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 10:15:47 AM
You should read Sun Tsu, all these petty revenge politics are going to get innocent people killed and have no place in war.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 1:00:48 PM
Me and my "petty revenge politics" and all the people who feel the way I do are going to do our absolute best to see your stance on torture and abuse prosecuted and to see America return to some semblance of honor.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 1:33:32 PM
Unnecessary torture should be prosecuted, but it has yet been proven that there was any torture, only harsh interrogations, and that those techniques weren???t necessary. Besides no one is getting prosecuted for anything it???s all a big PR scam for Obama.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:45:14 PM
"but it has yet been proven that there was any torture, only harsh interrogations,"
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 1:50:27 PM
No you idiot because what happened to John McCain was considered torture by our legal system and water bording is not. Go back to your sand hole and think about how much you owe the West for teaching you how to get oil out of the ground and the ability to live outside the dark ages. Unfortunatel your mentally still stuck in the dark ages.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:55:50 PM
"No you idiot because what happened to John McCain was considered torture by our legal system and water bording is not. "
Is not torture under Vietnam legal system, which is where happened, yes? America is make up new words for torture, is Vietnam do same thing, yes? Is now okay to do anything to American prisoner, call it "harsh interrogation".-
Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 2:05:06 PM
Good point to bad your still an arrogant piece of s**t and people like you are why normal people like me don???t trust the Middle East. Good thing your so inferior or you might be scary
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Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 10:29:27 PM
And Mr brydges' ignorance covered the whole earth with his stupididty, like a blanket. Until there was hardly a hole left in it ANYWHERE at all.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:14:00 PM
You is like Nazi, yes? Everyone is not like you is "inferior"? This why everyone everywhere laugh at America. Is only fat ass with many delusion of superiority.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 2:20:35 PM
your inferior because your an ignorant animal. Why don???t you mind your own business when it comes to another country???s affairs, isn???t that what you want us to do. Have you learned enough English to understand what a Hypocrite is or are you still in the beginning of the big book of English for foreigners where they teach about handouts and welfare.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:27:12 PM
Uday is watch America. America believe everyone everywhere inferior if is brown skin. You think everyone everywhere is stupid, not see how America operate? Is why everyone laugh at you, hate you. Is not "for you freedom", is for you army is 200 years invade other people country for United Fruit, Standard Oil, now is Halliburton. America is poison. Only kill brown people, torture brown people for moneys, then say is "freedom". Is why nobody give pile of goat *** what happen to you.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 2:41:11 PM
Too bad your opinion doesn't matter in the least
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:46:24 PM
America is make enemies with everyone, everyone feel same way about America.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 2:57:30 PM
No just nuts like you
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:05:12 PM
Is funny. Is whole world laugh at America. You think peoples like you? Even you own generals think you thieves. Is General Smedley Butler in 1930s:
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
Is win medal of honor twice, is earn right to speak truth, yes?-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:10:54 PM
Is brydges not respond to General Butler's words?
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 4:31:30 PM
One last time to put you in your place. Your not unhgappy because of America's deeds. Your unhappy that you can't do them. It's called little man's disease. In short stop blaming your inferiority on others.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:34:49 PM
Why Uday want to go kill peoples for moneys?
And is General Butler the "little man"? Is YOU having two medal of honor, like he?
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 3:03:20 PM
Except, he's not Middle Eastern, as he said. It doesn't strike you that the arrogant person here might be the one who claims knowledge and hatred of another person based on a mistaken nationality?
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 3:06:57 PM
You have opened my eyes to the fact that A** holes liive every where. Where are you from again?
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 2:56:02 PM
I think he said he was Greek Orthodox, not Muslim. Doesn't this make you want to stop and reexamine the notion that you don't run and jump to conclusions, brydges?
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 3:04:24 PM
I didn't say he was Muslim just an A** hole. Would you support Greek Orthadox terrorists too or just the Muslim ones?
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 3:09:09 PM
I wasn't aware Greek Orthodoxy was having a big problem with suicide bombers and domestic terrorism, brydges.
And as far as not being a Muslim goes - I'll concede the point, I should have said you said he was Middle Eastern.
E.G., one of your quotes below - "Good point to bad your still an arrogant piece of s**t and people like you are why normal people like me don???t trust the Middle East. Good thing your so inferior or you might be scary"-
Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 3:24:59 PM
Yawn - what's your point other then he hates america and your defending him. Regardless of his religion and nationality he's an a** hole.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:51:32 PM
"Regardless of his religion and nationality he's an a** hole."
Is okay. Uday is *** maybe, but Uday is not invade other country and kill peoples for money. Is leave for America.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:08:04 PM
Is many Greek Orthodox terrorists. Is old ladies strangle you with the prayer beads. Is make Uday laugh, stupid American.
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Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/13/2009 8:28:03 PM
''Return''.....?
Now when might this have been?
Bay of Pigs ?
Sand Creek ?
Wounded Knee perhaps?
Andersonville?
Elmira?
Japanese-American concentration camps?
Blacks as ''half a man''
Kent State
CONTELPRO
Me Lai
Sacco and Vanzetti
Waco
Ruby Ridge
The assassination of ML King
Matewan
The Sedition Acts
The Bonus March
TAMMANY Hall
The LA Riots
The NYC Riots
Newark
Tuskeegee Syphilis Experiments
Lobotomizing of mental patients
The HAYMARKET Massacre
Dearborn
Wen Ho Lee
CHINAGATE
WATERGATE
We were speaking of a national ''honor'' I believe.......
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Posted By: rramjet @ 05/13/2009 8:20:41 AM
We haven't been attacked since 9/11 have we?? You people have no stomach for total war.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 10:26:12 AM
Is total war? Is petty regional conflict. Nobody care except fat ass Americans think terrorists under the bed.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 10:53:58 AM
Uday what country are you from? Do they have schools there? Because New York is located far from the middle east. When you learn to control the animals from the region then we wouldn't have to be involved.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 1:08:05 PM
The only "animal" I see is the one refusing to take a good hard look at sixty years of American manipulative foreign policy and CIA black operations in the Middle East.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 1:37:10 PM
So you support what Muslim extremists did to innocent people in New York and you???re calling me an animal. We may disagree on many things but I wouldn???t expect even that from you Vigilance.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 3:04:25 PM
I don't support what Muslim extremists did in New York, you son of a bitch. Quit putting words in my mouth. I just also don't support what extremists like you are doing to my country's reputation overseas.
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 3:10:35 PM
I called them animals and you defended them. Once again your problem is having it both ways without being called a hypocrite
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:40:27 PM
Is innocent people in New York?
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 1:52:46 PM
I bet you sent money to Obama???s campaign didn???t you? So happy our soldiers are fighting for the rights of animals like you.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:59:11 PM
Is no American soldiers in Salizore. Is having only goats, no oil to steal. Is also not having Obama. What, you think everyone everywhere vote in America?
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 2:14:38 PM
there isn't a free person in this world that doesn't owe part of that freedom to the U.S.A. My advice to you is if you is learn English, stop having secx with goats, and read a real news magazine.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:19:12 PM
"My advice to you is if you is learn English, stop having secx "
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Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 2:41:58 PM
How much aide does the U.S. give your country every year?
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:50:37 PM
Is none. Is having no oilto steal, no slave labor for WalMart, is no reason for America to help, yes? Is no foreign moneys since colonial day.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 12:50:21 PM
Is from Salizore. Again, nobody care about terrorists attack America. America is stick nose in, get bit off. The Vietnam, the Iraq, everywhere. Americans kill Taliban, Taliban kill Americans, everyone else win, yes?
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 12:59:37 PM
Oh, I disagree. Come to where I live and start talking about Muslims the way you do, and I'll show you exactly how I feel about war with proxy murderers and torturers who incite people all over the Middle East to rightfully hate my country.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 1:12:03 PM
Really, you have given me no reason to believe that in an actual, serious ground war - a real "total war" if you will, instead of sitting in your comfortable middle-class homes and cheering every time someone with an Arab name gets tortured - that you wouldn't just *** yourself and run screaming into the hills.
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Posted By: ikez78 @ 05/12/2009 8:20:14 PM
FYI - George Tenet said that many other detainees supported al Libi's account.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/12/2009 8:42:57 PM
You have a lot of balls to support blowing $500B of taxpayer money on these travesties and then giving us that lame-ass excuse. People have said it since the beginning - torture produces false positives. And you all didn't listen, because you think hatred and violence make people crack. Ignorance and brutality - two of the biggest hallmarks of the American foreign policy of the last eight years.
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Posted By: beangrinder @ 05/13/2009 12:36:05 AM
You might want to hold your judgement on the effectiveness and value of our enhancede interrogation techniques until Mr. Transparancy Obama gets around to releasing the rest of the classified memos that tell what they accomplished. People who have seen the original memos say that they show that the Brooklyn Bridge was saved from destruction (with lives lost) and that Los Angeles was spared a 9/11 type attack and more American lives were spared. How about it, Obama? When are you going to release the rest of the memos? What the hell are you waiting for...........another teleprompter?
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Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 10:20:36 PM
Would that be the very same teleprompter that Glenn Beck is incapable of reading?
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Posted By: beangrinder @ 05/13/2009 12:35:14 AM
You might want to hold your judgement on the effectiveness and value of our enhancede interrogation techniques until Mr. Transparancy Obama gets around to releasing the rest of the classified memos that tell what they accomplished. People who have seen the original memos say that they show that the Brooklyn Bridge was saved from destruction (with lives lost) and that Los Angeles was spared a 9/11 type attack and more American lives were spared. How about it, Obama? When are you going to release the rest of the memos? What the hell are you waiting for...........another teleprompter?
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 1:06:24 PM
Whatever. The way we handled that war provoked attacks all over the place. Our Middle Eastern policy practically begs young and disenfranchised men to throw away their lives attacking us. I understand why they act the way they do a whole lot better than I understand why you do.
And really, I don't trust a goddamn thing coming out of the CIA these days. We supported Saddam for thirty years, overlooking the same brutality he used against the Kurds when he was fighting Iraqi Communists. Then all of a sudden he invades Kuwait - surprise surprise, given what a monster the CIA encouraged him to be - and ten years later with an impoverished and crippled regime he's "the most dangerous regime on Earth"? Your credibility is shot. I will of course look at the memos, but you can "selectively declassify" a sow's ear into a silk purse if you want to.
I'm through being moderate on this, like I said. You and the other proxy torturers and callous "clash of civilization" types who think Middle Easterners aren't actually people can go straight to hell, and take your terrified "kill them before they kill us!" pleas with you.-
Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 5:09:27 PM
"I'm through being moderate on this"
You went from far left to way out there super left, there is no moderation on your part-
Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 9:51:17 PM
You, Mr. know it all, are endowed with a stupidity and ignorance by, which the least little stretch, would go around the globe at least three times and tie!
People like you and others of your ilk are ten times more terrifying than any terrorist schemes you [ or Cheny] may dream up.
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Posted By: malcolmspeakeasy @ 05/13/2009 1:30:29 AM
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Posted By: beangrinder @ 05/13/2009 12:36:53 AM
You might want to hold your judgement on the effectiveness and value of our enhancede interrogation techniques until Mr. Transparancy Obama gets around to releasing the rest of the classified memos that tell what they accomplished. People who have seen the original memos say that they show that the Brooklyn Bridge was saved from destruction (with lives lost) and that Los Angeles was spared a 9/11 type attack and more American lives were spared. How about it, Obama? When are you going to release the rest of the memos? What the hell are you waiting for...........another teleprompter?
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:43:30 PM
"FYI - George Tenet said that many other detainees supported al Libi's account."
George Tenet is resign in disgrace, yes?
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 12:22:42 PM
When war is declared it gets real simple: "I can kill more of you than you can kill of me and mine", no appologies, no excuses, no need for rules, take no prisoners!
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 1:15:26 PM
Except that it wasn't a nation who attacked us, which redefines the whole concept of "war". There are no national boundaries involved. The right is screaming for war with the one billion adherents of Islam, regardless of the fact that it was only tens of thousands who had anything to do with attacking us on 9/11. None of you speak a word of Arabic, or could tell a Muslim apart from a Kurd or a Shi'a from a Sunni or anything else substantial about a Middle Easterner to save your lives, and you had people at your rallies last year who actually thought Barack Obama was an Arab.
And you wonder why half of America thinks you have no idea what's really going on?-
Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 10:18:42 PM
May I just conclude with " an inglorious peace is far better than a dishonorable war. Make no mistake about it, there is no honor in this war. Ask the family member of a fallen soldier. I am such a person. Now will the idiots please stop with their over simplification of war. Cheny, Bush and the others, who have no personal stake in this war, make it sound so simple. It ain't!
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 1:44:54 PM
It was the nation of radical islam that attacked us and continues to declare intafada's against us, anywhere there is a radical muslim that weilds a weapon and talks the talk can expect to feel America's rath via Obama or the next presidents' wishes and orders! You will never be able to cope with the concept of having to protect yourself because people such as myself have made the western world soft enough for all to be safe. Let the adults handle the real life issues and you can get back to wringing your hands over gays not being able to marry in California.
"And you wonder why half of America thinks you where insulated from the realities of life by being brought up as a Nancy Pelosi logic child"! No further replys necessarry, you don't like me and my ideas, and the same goes for my feelings of yours, just leave it at that!-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:46:43 PM
"You will never be able to cope with the concept of having to protect yourself because people such as myself have made the western world soft enough for all to be safe."
What you do, put fat ass between Al Qaeda and building?-
Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 2:01:02 PM
Learn the language, then you might be able to string a whole sentence, unitl then get back in front of my rifle scope where you allah lovers belong!
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:03:25 PM
Uday is reasonable certain you is never soldier. Is just fat American, only talk, only watch television and pretends to be Rambo, yes?
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 2:10:14 PM
Should I prefer to be an illiterate middle eastern trowback to a much less evolved human species that should have died out from just the shame of the future of it's people (I use the world people in the lowest possible form of mental devopment)! Isn't it time for you to bang your head on the floor again?
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Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 10:08:59 PM
You are the illiterate. Let's guess here. From the south? Married to a close realtive? If not, you could have fooled us.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:12:13 PM
Is Greek Orthodox. You think everyone everywhere is Muslim?
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 2:53:38 PM
I've been in plenty of fights, but you'll never believe it because you think you know who I am. You don't.
And that is what cost you and the rest of the anti-Muslim bigots the election, and what will most likely keep on doing that - your smugness and your mocking, gloating sense of superiority.-
Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 3:50:24 PM
Oh christ, not this story again! Ok, wake me when your done crying about your toughness.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 3:57:03 PM
Is not as funny as you playing the Rambo.
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Posted By: chris s. @ 05/13/2009 10:05:49 PM
All war must be just the killing of strangers. Those against whom you feel no personal animosity. They are strangers whom, in any other circumstances, you would help, if you found them in trouble and who would help you as well.
That is, unless you are an unfeeling moron with no sense of morality or feeling. Is that you?
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 12:46:45 PM
Is take no prisoners, enemy fight to death, you lose more soldiers.
Why is you want you soldiers die?
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Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 05/13/2009 8:08:00 PM
Heh. And here we were all gulled into thinking that it was Bush who ''created''this ''connection'' between the two. This said, ''extraordinary rendition'' was not only begun during the Clinton administration when no-one whined about it [being used several occasions including for the first WTC bombing planners ] but that the very words themselves were coined by one NSA chief Richard Clarke, who became a clayfooted hero to the left for his whining of the Bush administrations role in the WOT....but not his own, airbrushing the historical account.
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Posted By: Groenhagen @ 05/13/2009 4:42:03 PM
Michael Isikoff is the Newsweek "reporter" who falsely linked our troops to a flushed Koran at Gitmo, which led to the deaths of many in Pakistan.
It should also be noted that it was the Clinton admin. that linked Saddam and al Qaeda in 1998 when it said Iraq and al Qaeda were cooperating on weapons development in Sudan. The alleged link is why Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan in August 1998.-
Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 5:02:17 PM
Good point and good enough reason to no longer respond to his pathetic comments
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:58:51 PM
Is false? You is prove this, yes?
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Posted By: Groenhagen @ 05/13/2009 4:41:44 PM
Michael Isikoff is the Newsweek "reporter" who falsely linked our troops to a flushed Koran at Gitmo, which led to the deaths of many in Pakistan.
It should also be noted that it was the Clinton admin. that linked Saddam and al Qaeda in 1998 when it said Iraq and al Qaeda were cooperating on weapons development in Sudan. The alleged link is why Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan in August 1998.
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 11:55:24 AM
There is no amount of dead muslims that adds up to a bad thing!
Even peace boy Obama is busy at planting more of them in afganistan and pakistan!
Maybe that will convince the middle east that he is muslim in name only?-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 12:47:34 PM
You sounds like Taliban animal.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 12:55:58 PM
I agree. This person sounds like a cruel and brutal animal.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:25:51 PM
Americans is no different from Talibans. Only dress better.
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 2:34:35 PM
And shoot straighter!
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 2:43:54 PM
Is fair. Is Muslims breed faster than you can shoot, yes? Is why soon America leave Afghanistan soon, is another picture of helicopter on embassy roof with peoples try to run away.
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Posted By: YOUSOCRAZY @ 05/13/2009 3:54:09 PM
I put the our dead to thier dead totals @ about 8000 of ours dead and 1.5 million of thiers dead (and many more soon thanks to our latest increaser in military force Obama), sounds pretty clear to me!
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 4:04:24 PM
Is Muslim populations is increasing or decreasing? Is increasing. Is learn in world war II is peoples *** faster than can kill them. Muslims has birth rate is 4.7. American less than 2. Is murder all you like, is more later. Americans kill Taliban, Talibans kill Americans, everyone else win, yes?
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Posted By: rramjet @ 05/13/2009 8:17:05 AM
He's dead, who cares? One less Muslim in the world
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Posted By: againstallracists @ 05/13/2009 11:42:16 AM
You racist, fascist rascal
I wish your mother die, and your child die and you feel the pain.-
Posted By: brydges @ 05/13/2009 11:51:44 AM
Muslim is not a race, you cute little liberal crusader you.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 1:42:20 PM
Is no difference. To America, all brown peoples is how you say "fair game". Taliban and Al Qaeda attack America, America attack Iraq, is because American people believe connected. Why? Both is brown peoples.
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Posted By: rramjet @ 05/13/2009 11:51:39 AM
You PINKO, you have no idea what these people are of doing. You'd give them a flower and they'd slit the throat of every member of your family and praise their non exsistent god, allah.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/13/2009 12:58:13 PM
Just as a question, how many Muslims have you met or known personally?
In an effort to better understand things like 9/11, and my own partial Lebanese heritage (I'm roughly as American as we come, with heritage from all over the world), I took Arabic classes in college earlier this decade. My teachers were wonderful people - naturalized Arab immigrants - and delightful to be around. Generous, dedicated, committed to their work. One loved to watch the NBA finals.
Now you tell me why I should believe you over them? -
Posted By: lunarstar @ 05/13/2009 12:08:40 PM
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Posted By: lunarstar @ 05/13/2009 12:04:56 PM
This just confirms the phoniness of the Bush administrations' handling of the reason for the War on Iraq; they had to make everything up! This story just confirms the lies of the bush Administration. Thousands of innocent people in Iraq have died, including our own American sons so those friends of Bush could get richer and richer off the weapons business. Warmakes all those suppliers very wealthy at the cost of the blood of innocent people.
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Posted By: ikez78 @ 05/12/2009 8:18:31 PM
Of course the partisans Isikoff and Hosenball's knee jerk reaction is to smear Bush and bolster Democrats.
These two partisans both know damn well that al Libi was one of many many men in custody that said Iraq and al Qaeda were linked. Those links were not such that both sides were perfect allies but they exchanged training and Saddam harbored high ranking members. (see www.regimeofterror.com)
Does your shame and dishonesty have no bounds Mr. Isikoff and Mr. Hosenball?-
Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 10:27:37 AM
Is goddamn republicans cry too much.
Is like hearing snotty kid.
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Posted By: Uday Salizar @ 05/13/2009 10:25:19 AM
Is big deal? In Uday country, peoples in jail are the "suicide" all the time.
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Posted By: eclecticman1 @ 05/13/2009 10:19:51 AM
I wonder if Cheney will use this story to back his claim that torture gets results.
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