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Bringing Up Baby in the Big House

Can you keep a new mother from winding up back in prison if she's allowed to do time with her infant?

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  • Posted By: Skater Girl @ 09/13/2009 2:10:51 AM

    I think you're exactly right Addictions Prof., I'm one of those kids where the cycle has been perpetuated. My parents weren't in prison, but my father has drug an alcohol addictions and mental health issues and he was not in my life much when I was young, and in my teens I also developed mental health issues, unknown to me, and then started self medicating and developed drug and alcohol addictions. If the children and parents don't realise the genetic as so much is lost when a strong bond and communication between parent and child is not developed, the cycle continues to the next generation. I wish I had been aware of these things, I would have sought medical help and not turn straight to self medication. Thank you for your post Addictions Prof., your insight is astounding.

  • Posted By: mother of two @ 05/24/2009 2:06:04 PM

    The mothers should get to keep the baby's just for one reason and that is the babys need thim win thay are first born and the wemon that have the babys need to get there life together thay cant keep there babys in prison forever that would not be fair to the babys and it could make the kids follow there mothers foot steps and wind up in prison to.. this is to all the mother's that are in prison with there baby's you need to keep your head up and dont let anything stop you from being a good person and you take care of your babys and just worry about geting out so you can take better care of your baby, and win you get out stay out you dont wana see your baby cry and all that sadness in there eyes win you are being taken back to prison ... good luck ladys and to all your babys win you need someone to talk to just turn to god he is allway here to leson to you and remember god will allways love you know matter what you do.

    • Posted By: my.toys @ 06/13/2009 11:42:50 PM

      Is this even in English? Please use spell check, or find a dictionary in your trailer home, for the next time you post. Mistakes in grammar make you seem uneducated, and ill-informed. Children have no business in prison.

  • Posted By: Addictions Prof. @ 05/25/2009 4:44:33 AM

    As a professional addictions counselor, program consultant, and futurist of 25 years, I agree that the baby should be with the mother. There is another factor that is very often overlooked and that is the genetics that are involved. In most cases of chemical addiction, there is a set of genetic factors that have combined with environment and the individual goes undiagnosed right into self-medication for an emotional/mental condition that they knew nothing of. They usually wind up in jail and/or prison for the poor decision-making related to the mental condition in combination with the self medication. Their babies, then, must be considered to carry the same genetic factors that got Mom into trouble. Only a sound science and evidence based AOD mental health program for Mom to carry home to help prevent the perpetuation of the problems will help stop the cycle.

  • Posted By: Addictions Prof. @ 05/25/2009 4:42:22 AM

    As a professional addictions counselor, program consultant, educator and futurist of 25 years, I see this as a wonderful change. We have been locking up far too many sick people as a result of the failed "War on Drugs." When I say failed, that is exactly what I mean. There has never been a battle won, much less the "War." These women, are very likely to be in prison due to alcohol and drug problems. Addiction is genetic and very often represents a self-medication for a brain disorder of genetic origin. Thus, it is very likely that the babies will carry active genes that, if not properly addressed, may lead to their own self-medication for an undiagnosed brain disorder that they got as a genetic carry-over from Mom. Proper science and evidence based education and training for Mom in how to effectively care for their baby during, especially the first three critical brain growth years, and from there on to maturity is vital. The disorder needs to be stopped from unwatched and undiagnosed genetic progression. Why not in prison? The identification of the Moms that need the help has been made.

  • Posted By: Addictions Prof. @ 05/25/2009 4:29:37 AM

    As a professional addictions counselor, program consultant, and futurist of 25 years, I agree that the baby should be with the mother. There is another factor that is very often overlooked and that is the genetics that are involved. In most cases of chemical addiction, there is a set of genetic factors that have combined with environment and the individual goes undiagnosed right into self-medication for an emotional/mental condition that they knew nothing of. They usually wind up in jail and/or prison for the poor decision-making related to the mental condition in combination with the self medication. Their babies, then, must be considered to carry the same genetic factors that got Mom into trouble. Only a sound science and evidence based AOD mental health program for Mom to carry home to help prevent the perpetuation of the problems will help stop the cycle.

  • Posted By: bookworm in Iowa @ 05/15/2009 3:17:58 PM

    I agree with mandatory sterilization of all felons, men and women. I think that once a person is convicted of a felony, they should lose all rights to their children. People all over this country want to adopt children, and it takes years and is a terrible slow process. That process needs to be steam-lined so that it is done well and fast (emphasis on well, but fast is important also) and children are found decent homes. It is too big of a risk to have children in our society raised by hardened criminals. Felony is not just a small thing. It's a big thing.

    I didn't grow up with "everything." I did, however, chose to get my act together for the good of my baby when I was a teenager. She graduated from college, and is doing fine. I chose to work and chose not to commit crime. That's all there is to it.

    We are the sum of the choices we have made. period.

    • Posted By: DawnnaBee @ 05/24/2009 3:50:34 PM

      L@@KS like the BOOKWORM has wormed her way into many hearts here, NOT! Sooo self righteous, so 'HOlier than Thou', For a Bookworm, you should know there are many levels of Felonious crimes, & some shouldn't be labeled Felonies in the first place. Extenuating circumstances? Ever heard of that? Happens all the time.. As John Lennon said:
      "Life is what happens when you make other plans" Give us ALL a break & if ya can't say anything worth a hill of beans, then keep it to yourself, PLEASSSSSEEE!!!

      • Posted By: HumourIn Deguise @ 05/25/2009 12:09:37 AM

        Ewww I think bookworm, needs to be sterilized. She has a SICK mind. The ONE of a felon. I think she just hates humanity altogether, and wants to exterminate man-kind!

    • Posted By: squeaky580 @ 05/24/2009 9:24:11 PM

      And where would that leave me? I got my life together after serving 4 years in prison, I have 8 years clean and sober, hold a steady job, have regained the respect of my friends and family, and you're saying I should have been sterilized at the age of 20 because I was a felon. I'm married and pregnant now, my life is beautiful, I have hope for a wonderful future, and you say that the child I'm carrying right now should never have existed because of foolish things I did when I was young.
      Yes, I am the sum of the choices I have made, and I wouldn't change any of them, good or bad, because they have made me the strong, independent person that I am today. I thank God every day that my husband and my family can see me for who I have become and not who I was then.

      You should think HARD before you post.

    • Posted By: KvetchingZone @ 05/15/2009 4:41:51 PM

      Well Bookworm, what if you had gotten caught BEFORE you decided to "clean up" your act, and you were forced to be sterilized? I did my crime prior to the conception of my daughter, but she wasn't born until after my sentancing. Thank God she was not born in a prison, that it was a federal crime and considered a misdemeanor. Which meant that I was on pre-release until she was born, and did not have to surrender to prison until she was 6 months old. But the lovely state of Virginia caught something that fell through the cracks in my federal case, and arrested me for a felony a week before my surrender date, sentanced me to 5 years 9 months for a first felony offense (my federal case could not be considered as a prior offense as they stemmed from the same situation and I had not done my federal time yet). Because of this, I lost my daughter. I haven't seen her closer than 20 ft. in 17 years! And not because I was a drug addict (I am a substance abuse counselor. I have a bachelors degree,in accounting, an associates degree in psychology as well as a CAADAC license). I haven't seen her because the family members that I trusted with my only child decided that they wanted to keep her for themselves. My step-mother even had the audacity to tell me "you can have another one" because she wanted to keep her. They stopped contact with me while I was in prison, moved 500 miles away just prior to my release and then played horrid mind games when I made attempts to see her after I finally located them. I was and still am resentful towards my parents. my daughter has been told that I abandoned her and never came back for her. They lied and told her I did drugs. How do I know this? because I finally had contact with her two years ago, after finding her on MySpace! She told me she wanted nothing to do with me, that I wasn't her "Mom". In a way she is correct, they became her psychological parents. But I will always be her mother, I will always be waiting for the day when she decides that she wants to find out my side of the story. It may be a long time, it may be never. I have resigned myself to that, but I never stop crying for the baby and relationship with that baby that I lost. As her 18th birthday nears all I can do is pray that one day she will forgive me for my misdeeds, and see that I changed my life for her. So she could be proud to say that I am her mother. I haven't had anymore human children, I have four legged ones that I have rescued from their own prisons and death sentances. My step mother got what she wanted, one more baby. but she was my baby.

      • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/15/2009 4:56:48 PM

        Wow. I have a friend right now whose mother has not let her see her son in two years, after kicking her out of the house and forcing her to leave her son. Her mother did not report to foodstamps that her daughter was out of the house, nor did she do so with Social Security, she just kept collecting her daughter's money and foodstamps while her daughter was forced to live off the goodwill of others. I finally talked her into turning in her mother to both agencies, neither were too pleased to learn what had happened. In essence, her son has been kidnapped from her, but the police will not aid her in getting her son back. Meanwhile, she has remarried and has two more children, neither of which her mother knows anything about. She has since gotten her Social Security (she is disabled mentally and cannot work) and her foodstamps back, all with my help. It took me several months to make her see that what her mother was doing to her was wrong and abusive. Not only that, it is a fraud crime against the government.

        I also went through a similar situation with my parents when they were still alive. Once I was able to get free of DHS in Colorado, we came home to Indiana, but had to live with my parents. My sister attacked me, but when I got home from work, she had turned it around and told our parents that I attacked her. My husband and I were kicked out of the house, and they tried to keep my daughter, tantamount once again to kidnapping. I had to call the police on my parents, something I never thought I would ever have to do. That rift never fully healed, with my mother committing suicide two years later after I told her I would not move my family back to my hometown because of what happened, and my father following her in death 14 months later from a blood clot.

        • Posted By: BIG 12 @ 05/16/2009 8:28:37 PM

          @One Tired Mom, Bi-polar is not a mental disability dispite popular belief. Two I have serious doubts that your daughter remembered what happened when she was what, 2 months old? And then had reoccuring nightmares for the following 7 years? Wasnt she only gone for 3 weeks? What else does your husband have besides Bi-polar disorder that stops him from working in high salary fields? I find that sketchy at best considering I have been diagnosed as Bipolar for the past 8 years and there is no issues with me working in high salary fields. Not trying to pick on you I am just very curious.

          On to the article, correct me if I am wrong. 65 people were in the study and only 17% went back to jail. The control group had 30 people and 50% went back to jail. Isnt that only a difference of like 4 people from the study group and the control group. It doesnt seem to be a good use fo resources in my eyes if its that small of a difference.

          • Posted By: willow tree @ 05/24/2009 1:36:07 PM

            are you a woman with biological children? i too have bi-polar. it has nearly ruined my life. i've been on amazing medications for the last year that have completely changed my life. I'm nearly back to my normal self from 4 years ago. It brings tears to my eyes to realize to think about this. However, i still experience bad spells of depression about every three or four months. But i am so very much better. i am terrified at the thought of ever being pregnant as I could not be able to really be on any good medications due to the impact of them on the fetus. Any helpful thoughts?

            • Posted By: DawnnaBee @ 05/24/2009 2:19:33 PM

              • Posted By: DawnnaBee @ 05/24/2009 4:36:02 PM

                The only 'helpful thought' I can come up with is to see a Dr. & ask him/or her. That's the only logical way to know what
                is right to do.. I 'think'.. I'm not a firm believer in the AMA & the Pharmacuitical Co's that work together in ways that aren't always the BEST for the patients... just to pay for their mortgages on the BIG houses, or BMW's... There ARE always alternatives, but... In your case, I'd say to see a Good Dr. GOOD LUCK! I'm sure it'll work out for ya!

          • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/16/2009 8:49:09 PM

            OK, I dop take issue with your comments. You're not the one who had to live with the nightmares for so long. My girl was a very happy before removal, laughing, smiling, holding her head up, trying to push herself up on her hands. When she came home, she was doing none of those things, and the nightmares were so bad they nearly sent me into panic mode every time they happened.

            As for my husband, leave him alone. I have lived with him for 12 years now, I know by now what he is and isn't capable of. If you don't know a person's family do not presume to make assumptions about them. Your case of bi-polar may be different from his. As I have mentioned before, my mother was also undiagnosed bi-polar with diagnosed depression. She was a secretary for the Air Force Reserves, but she also was able to get through school. Although my husband has tried to get through school, he has not been successful. His case is a bit worse than my mother's was. And yes, as my mother did commit suicide, so he has expressed such thoughts. Sometimes, it can be very difficult to pull him out of it. The last time he mentioned such a thing, about two years ago, I told him, "You see what my mother's suicide does to me, do you want to do that to our girls?" He hasn't gone there since, thank God.

            • Posted By: trinirican75 @ 05/24/2009 1:56:42 PM

              Bipolar is a disablilty In accordance with Social Service Disability. I know both adults and children who collect it because of bipolar. It all depends on the severity of the mental disorder.

        • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/16/2009 3:03:50 PM

          Not to sound callous, but if she cannot work and is mentally disabled, why is she still having babies? Just a guess here, however, I would assume these children were not planned. Who provides for them? Perhaps you could speak to your friend about birth control.

          • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/16/2009 7:09:46 PM

            Hmmm, so you would agree with the social worker who took my daughter at five weeks old that those who are mentally disabled should not be allowed to have families? Even if they prove they are good parents? Socialistic ideals....EEEK!!!!! It's because of a person like you that my daughter had nightmares for years and could not talk about them, and that even though I am a veteran, having proved my capability to make good choices, with no drugs or alcohol use, or crimes, that I nearly lost my daughter.

            My mother was also undiagnosed bi-polar-we finally figured it out after she had committed suicide many years later-with diagnosed depression. However, she was able to raise two daughters, having one of them go into the service. But you are saying that someone like her cannot possibly do what she did. Think before you stick your foot in your mouth. People who are disabled can still be good parents, they need to be given the chance to show they can. But you say they should not be given such a chance.

            • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/16/2009 7:23:58 PM

              One more comment on this: although my husband cannot work in a high-income job that requires more than he is capable of doing, he does work. It may be menial work, but it's a job someone had to do anyway, although most think it is above them.

              • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/16/2009 7:28:03 PM

                Sorry, meant to say below them.

                • Posted By: DawnnaBee @ 05/24/2009 3:40:47 PM

                  To '1 Tired Mom': I was moved by your story, & just have to post this to you~ Don't sweat the people that Think they're
                  "Holier than Thou".... as they are nothing but 'blissfully unaware' & need to STFU! *Don't know toooo many abrieviations
                  online, in fact I thought I'd made that one up, but.. If ya don't know what I meant, I'm SURE you can figure it out! hahaha!
                  Take care, and remember: "don't sweat the small stuff & don't pet the sweaty stuff!" Bless your Heart...... *DB*

        • Posted By: nzf3254p @ 05/15/2009 8:45:32 PM

          If she is (mentally disabled) as you claim, why are men still taking (sexual) advantage of her? Possibly they want to collect the SS?

          • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/16/2009 7:11:31 PM

            So because she remarried, her husband is taking sexual advantage of her? Don't all husbands? Think about what you wrote. And couldn't it be the other way around, that the wife takes sexual advantage of her husband? So a married couple should not be allowed to want children? Hmmmm....socialist ideas again.

    • Posted By: AZ young civilian @ 05/15/2009 4:02:18 PM

      There are hundreds of children already in foster care. Everyone wants to adopt a baby. These kids are not legally availble for adoption just becuase their mom is in jail. Some of them end up in foster care for years while mon is in prison, then mom gets them back for a while, the child ends up in foster care again. By the time they can be adopted, it is hard to find a family willing to adopt an older child (over age 5) with social issues due to the family problems. If this program keeps the woman out of jail in the future and teaches her how to be a good parent, it is the best thing for everyone. If you disagree, just go to adoptuskids.org and see a small sample of children in foster care waiting for a forever family.

    • Posted By: aandino @ 05/15/2009 3:33:58 PM

      Did you know that lying on a federal aplication was a felony u moron. are you serious that this kind of felon should be allowed to have a child. You aint no book worm, just a slimy worm, go back into the ground.

  • Posted By: hossridr @ 05/25/2009 12:05:55 AM

    Inmates, male or female, will sell you a bill of goods then turn around and steal it back from you. As someone who worked in the correctional system in California for 27 years, I can tell you that it all sounds good and these inmate/mothers will ride out of prison and over the rainbow. Not!!! The article states that the recidivism rate is 17%? it also states that the women must have no more than 18 months remaining on their sentences. It would be interesting to see how long corrections bases their recidivism rate on. These programs are sold to the public by the courts and liberal socialists, psychologists and others who work in the prison system. A whole new bureaucracy is born and the taxpayers take it in the shorts. I was involved in a liberal program where we took the most dangerous inmates in California prisons and had them live together in a "controlled environment" under the guise of a "mental health facility", staffed by a multitude of psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, nurses, doctors and correctional officers. There was an average of 55 inmate/patient's at any given time and approximately 120 staff members. This program was mandated by the federal court system and after being in operation for one year, an inspection team made up of state and federal officials descended on our facility. The inmate/patient's themselves guided the "guests" and answered questions, after being coached by prison staff as to what to say, whether it be the truth or not. The program was sold to the officials and now unfortunately California correctional facilities are going to be required to have one of these facilities in each prison. The cost is enormous and the reality is that the program doesn't work. Inmates con their way through the program and the staff is only too happy to let them do it, as the program is their bread and butter. I liken that program to the one in the article. It will do nothing more than encourage these women to get pregnant during their conjugal visits, or by male correctional staff. These so-called "new-age programs" are going to ultimately bankrupt US states.

  • Posted By: HumourIn Deguise @ 05/24/2009 11:53:15 PM

    I'm goin got have to disagree with the comment "bookworm in Iowa" made about once they are covicted of a felony, they should lose all rights. I believe that to not only be a punishment for the mother, but to her baby/child as well. Even though she has done wrong, and been convicted, that does not mean she has no right to be a parent, or is a "lousy" parent. Taking away her parental rights is not relative to what she has done. And honestly if you are a parent of a child, you would agree that it is not right to take a baby away from it's mother.
    Missing out on a child's life is irreversable. A child does not need a materialistic decent home. What they need is a abundance of love. What better way for these babies to recieve it due to the parents having nothing else to do with their time in.

    Honestly though, just becasue a person is in prision doesn't make them a hardened criminal. There are lousy, abusive parents out there who aren't locked up. Now, that is something I would fear more of, than a person locked up for something completely different. Everyone is human, and we WILL(DO) make mistakes. Especially if young, and hanging around bad influences. However, that does not mean we cannot learn from our mistakes and change.

  • Posted By: HumourIn Deguise @ 05/24/2009 11:34:42 PM

    A baby that young doesn't know or have the ability to acknowlege wherethey are.At that age all they need is love, to be fedd and cared for. A baby can be happy wherever, as long as they are in their mothers arms.

  • Posted By: Mark M @ 05/24/2009 10:39:04 PM

    Keeping a small child in prison so that the child is close to the mother is absolutely crazy. That would be like sending a child to Iraq or Afghanistan whenever a mother serving in the military deploys. Hey it's dangerous, and the child could get killed, but at least the mother will be close by. Besides, it's only for 12-18 months anyway.

    Please forgive the above sarcastic comment, but I just cannot see how this serves the best interests of the child.

  • Posted By: kellycecilia29 @ 05/24/2009 10:17:32 PM

    Im think that no metter happen MOTHERS will aways be at the frist place and the child dosent metter where you at they want to be with the mother Love is 4 every one NO MONEY CANT BUY LOVE FROM A REAL MOTHER ... i holp that the jurge open they heart and let the mother at the prison take care FOR FREE THEY NEW BORN INSIDE THE PRISON ... WE ARE A HUMAN BEEN

  • Posted By: DawnnaBee @ 05/24/2009 1:56:06 PM

    This is more than a question to pose to the readers... It is something that needs to be addressed for women in prison and/or jail
    nationwide... The bonding process is essential; and it doesn't matter WHERE it happens~ Be it in a teepee or a prison! The only
    real issue is wheather it is allowed in ALL states in the U.S. or not. [As it should be] I will be perfectly frank & tell you there is
    nothing more sad than to hear a woman tell of having her child while in prison... She'll be taken to a hospital to have the child, but.. is HANDCUFFED & SHACKLED to the bed during child birth. To top it off, she is sent back to the prison./or jail w/just a bag
    of kotex.. and the memories of the baby she just had under the worst circumstances. Some ppl will say she "made her bed & now must lay in it" But- If you've ever done something wrong,YOU KNOW your to blame, & most don't NEED to hear the fact that they're to blame..All the put downs are unneccesary. This program is the BEST thing for both Mother & child; there's no if's
    and's' or but's about it! It needs to be addressed ASAP; nationswide, & I can't reiterate that enough! I pray this will become the
    new norm for Mothers in prison/jails everywhere... God Bless..

    • Posted By: theone1 @ 05/24/2009 5:11:52 PM

      children need their mothers , regardless of the situation. Good or bad. And these women should be given the oppurtunity to be mothers. WHy would anyone want to take that away from them???

      • Posted By: PartyAnimal @ 05/24/2009 9:53:29 PM

        Children need good mothers. When their mothers rectify themselves to the point they can provide a loving and stable environment for their kids, then they can get them back. Why should the kids have to 'do time' in an institution because that is where the mother ended up. One exception would be women who killed their abusive partners/husbands. They should not be in jail. However I would not subject a child/baby to the prison environment regardless. Having children outside waiting can be a good incentive to get your act together.

  • Posted By: nielson32 @ 05/24/2009 9:21:30 PM

    Mothers in prison have proven that they are unfit to raise the children. In their criminal activity they have shown their disregard for others and their children and a regard only for themselves. Many mothers in prison are there for drugs, theft or other reasons and need to get their lives in order before given an opportunity to receive their children back. Some mothers get pregnant after arrest in an attempt to manipulate the system. The biggest problem is that many of these people will return to a life of crime and will only teach the children that life style until they, themselves become criminals.

  • Posted By: squeaky580 @ 05/24/2009 9:04:59 PM

    I can say from personal experience of being pregnant in prison that there is a much better chance of these infants being born healthy and having a healthy first few months of their lives. I was a drug addict and very young and irresponsible and I don't know how healthy my daughter would have been if I wasn't in that controlled environment. Women's prisons are a lot cleaner and more stable than men's prisons that are depicted on television, and these women are being given the opportunity to clear their minds and get into the right mindset to raise children. I commend this program.

  • Posted By: lisalives @ 05/24/2009 6:46:13 PM

    Hopefully the mothers will take full advantage of giving their life a life that will be deserving to their child.

  • Posted By: tlingapina @ 05/24/2009 5:31:19 PM

    Yes I think its a great idea that they be able to have their babies in jail at least for that 72 hours so they can breast feed them they need their mothers milk its healthier the baby didn't do anything wrong so they should be able to get that milk to make them healthier and it gives the mother so respnsabililty and a bigger reason to get out and decide to stay out of trouble when they do get out.Thats just what i think.

  • Posted By: Jasmeena77 @ 05/24/2009 5:29:02 PM

    Nooo, should not allow a child to be raised in the jail with there mothers. What type of idiot would have evn considered this idea.

  • Posted By: Naneki3917 @ 05/15/2009 2:58:32 PM

    First of all no woman in prison should be allowed to keep their child. All children should be put up for adoption with no connection what so ever to the mother/adoptive parent. Second why are the mother's/prisoners being paid? There are many woman out in the world who can't have children and we have a woman giving birth to her 8th child who dealt with cocaine and got caught. To bad for her. The children should not even be given to family. All woman who are pregnant must be forced to give their children up for adoption, and should not be earning one red cent. I have better things to do with my money then giving it to pregnant woman in jail. You do the crime you must do the time....

    • Posted By: theone1 @ 05/24/2009 5:19:20 PM

      YOU SOUND BITTER!!! cant you have children , so you deem it fit that women in jail shouldnt have any either? Bad womb anyone???????

    • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/15/2009 8:40:43 PM

      ALL PREGNANT WOMEN SHOULD BE FORCED TO GIVE UP THEIR CHILDREN??!!! Bite My Big One, too!!! I am currently pregnant with my third and last child, which happens to be my first son, and I love each and every one of my children!!! I had to fight for the first year of my first daughter's life to keep her, although I did nothing wrong, no abuse, no drugs, no alcohol, no crimes. The only "crime" we were guilty of was my husband being disabled mentally! Are you someone who cannot have children, or have you had children taken from and told you cannot keep any future children??? You sound very bitter to me.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/16/2009 3:08:51 PM

        I have children and adore them. My question is, am I supporting your children? I certainly hope not.

        • Posted By: One Tired Mom @ 05/16/2009 6:42:47 PM

          No, you are not. I support them myself, along with my husband. What does this have to do with the fact that this person states that no family should be left intact, that all children should be foster/adopt children, with no knowledge of their real families? Sounds like a socialist nightmare to me.

          • Posted By: JBlume @ 05/24/2009 9:39:52 AM

            If you read the context of Chris's statement you would realize that he is referring to all prisoner/mothers. This situation in no way relates to your own. Please keep the comments civil so the people who are trying to have a civilized discussion may do so without you clouding the issue.
            Also, I hope that you are teaching your three young children more mature and appropriate responses to perceived/real affronts that "Big my big one". Good example, mom!

          • Posted By: JBlume @ 05/24/2009 9:39:49 AM

            If you read the context of Chris's statement you would realize that he is referring to all prisoner/mothers. This situation in no way relates to your own. Please keep the comments civil so the people who are trying to have a civilized discussion may do so without you clouding the issue.
            Also, I hope that you are teaching your three young children more mature and appropriate responses to perceived/real affronts that "Big my big one". Good example, mom!

    • Posted By: AJsuperstar @ 05/15/2009 7:15:37 PM

      You do realize that inmates male/female in prison are able to earn wages? Not just these moms. Sad that you would permentaly take aways someons rights to be a parent over shoplifting. Just because someone commits a crime does not make them unfit to parent.

  • Posted By: Red feather @ 05/24/2009 10:56:32 AM

    Children do not belong in prison. It should not be a fact of life to them......oh yeah my mom was in prison so was I.They did not do the crime and should not do the time...It should not seem to be a normal part of life.

    • Posted By: theone1 @ 05/24/2009 5:17:10 PM

      you are an example , that this program is TRYING TO BREAK!!!!

  • Posted By: daveysabboi @ 05/24/2009 5:15:18 PM

    at 1st i thought no, but then i said to myself YES, why because this is a good way to help them become responsible parents, in a very supportive atmosphere. They can change and I believe in all my heart that this is and will be a very positive experience for both the moms and their children. Its a wonderful idea and they should continue this program and expand it also.

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