Dick Takes Manhattan

So now the ex-veep can't stop talking

By Howard Fineman | NEWSWEEK
Published May 16, 2009
From the magazine issue dated May 25, 2009

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  • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/12/2009 10:43:59 PM

    FF: You seem to think you and your family have a monopoly on military service and sacrifice. You speak with great authority, as if you know me and my situation. . You have no problem speaking for me or my family. You see, my father [an American] was wounded in WWII. My husband was in Viet Nam. My son was in [yes he volunteered] the Army. My best friend's son was wounded [ hi s left arm is useless] in Iraq. A young woman I work as widowed, with a child. Oh yes, my nephew, Spencer, was killed In Iraq just over three years ago. Please feel free to tell my sister, her husband, his brothers,my mother and myself how it must feel to lose someone you love in war. You are our resident expert on such things. I might add that my German mother, was once the enemy, in Berlin where I was born and her family experienced war first hand by being bombed repeatedly and losing two brothers. She has stories too.. Once again I'm sure you have great empathy. They were just ordinary citizens, like you and I and the Iraqi families who are at the mercy of their government. They had no choice. So, please continue to lecture me on the sacrifices of war.

    Do you want to hear that my sister and her family were staunch supporters of their son, the war and Bush? Guess who they voted for in the past election? Because they don't want anyone else to lose a son or daughter to war. Crazy peaceniks as my sister describes them.

    What I don't appreciate is Dick Cheney responding "SO" when told that the majority of the American people did not support the war. I know you always need a non biased and credible source for everything. I think that's an easy on to verify, I still believe that he took us there with faulty information. I believe that Spencer's death was unnecessary. He wanted to be a marine biologist and joined the Army to help pay for college. A sweeter, kinder, gentler soul never walked this earth. But then you didn't know him and I did. Since you are the authority on all things Iraqi war, and sacrifice for our country, I'm sure you can justify this to my family. Please tell me again what it is I DON'T know about war and sacrifice. Obviously you and your family are the true patriots while we've been slacking. Thanks for carrying us on your back for so many years. Do you want the details of how Spencer died? Sorry, I'm just not up to it. I didn't really want to go there, but you pushed and pushed.

    I' I just think it shows a better command of the English language to be able to express yourself without being so crude. Maybe that's the way your family speaks, who knows or cares. I think I have seen your true colors and you seem like quite the know it all. Nevertheless, thanks for the lecture on patriotism and the war. Now I'm going to go call my sister. You see, she's a little crazy and a lot depressed these days. I should give you her number and you can tell her what a just and noble war this is yourself.

    • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/12/2009 11:45:37 PM

      No Chris, I have no monopoly on military service and sacrifice.  My family members that have died in the service of our country have that monopoly. As for me personally, I know of our loses.

       

      Likewise, I don't speak for other military members as you think you can do.  Somehow, you think you claim that right for our soldiers that have volunteered in Iraq.   

       

      The problem here Chris is that you continue to speak for others that have volunteered for the Iraq war, and you're so ignorant you can't see that you don't. You don't have a clue of their effort there.   Have you served or been there yourself Chris?  No, you have not.  All you have done is continually provide backyard fence gossip nonsense that you cannot support.   And you're worried about being crude! 

       

      Chris, when you can provide proof about any of what your blabing and screaming about Iraq other than gossip and heresay, please post it here.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 2:44:50 PM

        I DON'T SPEAK FOR THE SOLDIERS! I SPEAK, FROM EXPERIENCE, FOR THE" FAMILIES" WHO HAVE HAD A LOSS! Sorry for all caps but that may be the only way for you to "get" it. But you don't want to get it do you? If someone told me they had miscarried a child I would feel awful and express my condolences. I would not know how they felt because it is not something I have experienced. Still not getting through am I?

        • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/13/2009 4:59:49 PM

          As I mentioned before, our family has been through this too.  As tragic and heartbreaking as the loss of your family member is, it does not give you license to proclaim the war a lie and Cheney the master mind of the entire thing soley for the beneifit of Halliburton.  By all means, when you and others that take your view can provide proof that is indeed the case, we'll all be glad to see it.

          • Posted By: gregcovert @ 06/13/2009 6:39:27 PM

            FF, I've said it before and I'll say it again: The S. stands for Sheehan.

            I was talking with my mom on the phone before I left for Desert Storm 1 and she said, "Keep your head down boy and don't be a hero. I don't want you to die for a barrel of oil." That's Cindy S. basic argument also. What did my nephew die for?

            While I didn't agree with my mom or Cindy S. about the oil reason for war, I respect their right to voive their opinion. However, if I would have been killed over there, my mom would have quitely grived up on the hill she lives on and had the level of dignity expected of a grieving mother! Sheehan is an absolute disgrace. It's her right, but that doesn't make it right.

            • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/15/2009 8:15:07 PM

              It is so wise if you to know the level of dignity and what is expected of a grieving mother. Or grieving anybody, for that matter. I'll be sure and pass that advice in to my sister.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 12:45:03 AM

        Have you been there? You speak of loses but you have not "FELT" them. Being ignorant about this war, or not wanting to know about it, makes you a chickenhawk.. You talk big with nothing to back it up. Don't worry, you fit fight in with the rest of your motley crew. Enjoy!

        • Posted By: gregcovert @ 06/13/2009 1:05:36 AM

          3 times and wouldn't trade the experience for all the money in the world. I know by saying that to you that I am automatically a warmonger, right?

          There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you won't have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your Granddaddy shoveled sh!t in Louisiana."

          • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 7:03:56 PM

            You're forgetting something. Some men didn't come home. Also , I would hope that my husband will have something more worthwhile to discuss with our grandchildren, if we ever have any, than war.

            • Posted By: gregcovert @ 06/14/2009 9:37:26 AM

              Chris, there are professionals who can help you, if you let them.

              • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/14/2009 3:11:21 PM

                That is a childish answer. Unless you are 12yrs old and living at Mom and Dad's, there's no excuse for something like that. Once again, you have nothing of substance to say. Get a life!

          • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 1:52:20 PM

            My husband did two tour in Viet Nam. We lost a very dear loved one. You are making this a contest. Well then I guess you win.

            • Posted By: gregcovert @ 06/14/2009 9:39:41 AM

              Yep, I won again. Feels good! Going back this summer. He'll be down 4-2. I'll try to step on a landmine for you. One less twisted warmonger conservative on the planet. They are worse than terrorists, right, Sheehan?

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 2:10:55 PM

        Please do continue to point out how ignorant and clueless I am. Did I ever say I don't support the troops? No. Surely you must have served in Iraq, yourself because according to you that is the only way to know about their effort and sacrifice. Of course I support the troops! This stinkin' war is what I don't support. Pardon me if I throw some of your own words back at you, but I believe you are very ignorant about what is really going on over there and how we got there. How dare you make yourself the sole authority on the subject? As if nobody else is in on the real story. So far, I've seen you hurl a lot of unsubstantiated accusations. You need to clean up your own backyard, before criticizing others.

        What ticked you off is what I said about Cheney's DUII. Sorry it's off the record. A local cop mentioned it. If you don't believe such things happen, you are naive. Silly you! Actually, if that is the worst thing Cheney ever did, I wouldn't care. It just speaks to his character flaws. But you wouldn't get that, would you?

        • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/13/2009 4:52:52 PM

          Chris, please explain how you support the troops but discount and belittle the entire war effort as a big phony and that they are there only because Dick Cheney created it for the benefit of Halliburton? 

          • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 7:00:32 PM

            I said the war was unnecessary. I did not say Cheney sold the war solely so Halliburton could make a profit. I did say that war is profitable, for some. You refute that? I do believe Mr. Cheney himself was on Meet The Press and told us that there was a definite connection between 9/11 and Iraq. You don't wants facts because you choose to ignore facts, which are not to your liking. You " selectively" misinterpret the facts over and over. In your black and white world. You use name calling as an easy way out to keep from discussing facts. You say you want facts, but don't give any.

            Did it ever occur to you that there may have been another way, besides going to war, as a way to deal with Iraq? Thought not! We do have a C.I.A. In your narrow view, there is only one way, war! I feel bad for you. That is an awful way to live. Why do you always divert and make it personal? I am convinced you don't want a debate, only a fight. You support Cheney, think the war is a good idea and I don't. I think history will prove me right. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. You and your cronies can have this to yourselves. I'll be monitoring your low level discussions. Enjoy.
            End of this pointless discussion.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 12:55:06 AM

        You speak as one who has been there. Is that true? Otherwise be quiEte, because you have not an ounce more credibility than I.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 12:53:24 AM

        I have not been crude!

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 12:51:59 AM

        One more thing. I don't know if the sacrifice or effort there when my Nephew died over there.. hit home. Are you nuts? Or did you skim over that part and are like Paule and the rest who simply are in this for the sake of argument? Read it again and tell me you know what I'm talking about. I don't think you get it. Are you that clueles?. I speak for the families of those dead and wounded. In that I do have somne credibility and you have NONE!

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 12:39:15 AM

        I don't speak for the soldiers I speak for my family which h as lost soemone,. You on the othet hand speak whatever Rush and the others tell you. You will never change, are incabable of seeing any other side and are a ver y closed minded person. You are not worth responding to. Do whatever you feel you need to. I will consider the source. You do realize, you are outnumbered.? You want to argue your point, by all means argue with Paule, Greg etc. knock yourselves out. You have no heart or sympathy. Warmongers and cowardly ones at that.

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/15/2009 2:51:35 PM

    FF. I am posting without seeing the rest of the posts. Site overloaded? Anyway, you might want to check out Scott McClelland's book "What Happened". I know he has no credibility having been press secretary from 2003-2006. You might also want to check out C-Span, sometime last nov, where he takes questions concerning the book. He states that the day after 9/11, Bush said "we are going into Iraq". Mentions that the administration, deliberately manipulated the public to wage the war in Iraq. They took some of the intelligence and exaggerated the intelligence.. He says the V.P. has a dark view if the world. The President often deferred to Cheney because he lacked intellectual curiosity. After the face shooting, Cheney wanted to wait a couple of days before letting the local paper know about it. You can figure that out for yourself. So, read the book, then rip it apart and dismiss it as just hearsay. I'll be disappointed if you don't. You couldn't have missed it. I believe he was even on Fox discussing it.

  • Posted By: 40YearR @ 06/12/2009 11:28:41 PM

    Hello chris,

    I am posting without being able to see comments at this article, not loading on some articles, high traffic ones, but I can see your recent posts another way.

    I admire you, your principles and your sense of humor. You are one of the few posters I admire, or even respect. Rob007 is one. Alvy will always be one. I've always liked your posts, even after I found out you're a woman (teehee). What competely sold me for good was your statement that you despise bigotry. You live it. You don't rationalize or justify it or ignore what actually is.

    I cannot believe what I've seen lately. NW has become a cesspool of racists and relentless rightwing ideologues. Their only purpose is to harass, only goal is to drive off everyone who does not agree or suck up. They celebrate their harrassment and racism. All they can do is accuse others of being racists. I would pity them, if they were not so corrupt.

    Hang in there chris. I will pop in from time to time, but I'm done with trying to 'debate'. These low wattage dimwits can never support their postitions. They rarely even try anymore. It is pathetic. I presume NW cannot afford moderators. The place was tolerable when Floridave was the only crazy here. The rightwingers would have nothing to do with him. The would go would just turn their heads. Still corrupt. Never, ever, did anyever lift a finger to oppose the sickness and harassment. Why? Well he's 'from the right' of course. Now, they're 'pals' with Floridave, OCD, covert, FF, Pall. I wouldn't give any of them the time of day in real life, and I won't feign 'courtesy' in order to have 'peace' or for any other rationalization.

    They're all racist pigs: Floridave/TTR, paulOCD ( all his names including Quid), gregcovert, Fortunate Fox, Forty4, Pallisor, and their sycophants. They all took off their masks. They all got what they consider to their 'excuse'. BS. Racism is racism. Always. Acted out on or condoned, expressly or tacitly. Palling around. They're not 'nice'. Not by any means, nor excuse, nor rationalization.

    I'll pop in from time to time to tell them what I think of them. I'm not going to 'debate' them, because they cannot. They lack the intellectual horsepower. bkrummel has it. Rob007 has it. I have very conservative friends who have it. All of these lightweights lack it. They just try to change the subject, in the 'best case', but they instantly devolve to infantile name calling or Rush slogan chanting. When they see they are losing, cannot support their position, but more often instantly. Because they know they are losers, so they'd better pull out their 'big guns' right away, because they don't want anyone to see themselves just get exposed, thrashed on substance.

    If NW ever finds the funds to have moderators, I'll be back to debate. But I won't participate in this BS, except to call them what they are.

    Good luck chris. You are so cool.

    • Posted By: gregcovert @ 06/12/2009 11:52:20 PM

      Damn 40, I thought you were here for your weekly beating,

      Chris has her own issues, 40. I'm glad you respect her though. Everybody needs a friend, even you. (TeeHee).

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 06/13/2009 12:11:31 AM

        covert, and by extension OCD/Quid-

        Yes, chris does actually address issues.

         I have too much intellectual and human integrity to do otherwise than to recognize what you are, and to recognize chris for what she is.

         In my over 20 years of law practice, I encountered some seriously F'd up subhumans.  I put some into jail for harassment for violating injuntions for harassment.  I'm glad that I have productive things that occupy my time now.  But OCD/Quid is right at the top.  OCD/Quid and Floridave, that is. I almost wish I did not have actually important and productive things to do, so I could make OCD/Quid a project of mine.    You,covert, are just an ineffective racist sycophant.  OCD/Quid and Floridave are seriously sick.  FF, Pallisor, you, and some others are just low wattage racist blowhards or sycophants.

         Glory in it covert, OCD/Quid.  It's all you have. 

        • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/13/2009 12:18:20 AM

          You have too much intellect?  Please 40!!! You're making us laugh.

          • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/14/2009 1:20:56 AM

            Jealous? Since you are not exactly an intellectual heavy weight. I wouldn't go throwing stones if you know what I mean? You ma'am are real piece of work. Putting everyone else down, a sign of insecurity. A way of making yourself feel like a big person, by tearing others down. That's they way you guys work. Low standards. It;s no wonder you are still a supporter of Bush and Cheney. They make you feel good about yourself and gives you a cause to defend. The truth is too scary for you, so you'd rather band together and believe the stories they tell you. You don't really believe if they have credibility or not. It's your cause and that's all that counts. You do realize you're not much of a challenge don't you? Just entertainment.

            • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/14/2009 8:47:49 AM

              Where do you see jealousy?  It isn't there Chris.  You asked if I was Pallisor's sister.  Are you 40's sister?  You're identical.  You broadcast your conspircy theory assertions and when asked to provide credible evidence to support them with anything other than your opinion, you claim you're being "torn down."  Where have I done that with you?  You criticize me for supporting our decision to go into Iraq, you hate Bush and Cheney and claim they lied but don't have an ounce of proof they did so.  You're angry because I and others here have asked you for that proof and have not settled for your answers of hearsay and innuendo.  If you call providing real, supportable answers in your effort to crucify Bush and Cheney as "low standards", then you are the one that is provideing "just entertainment" here.


              You have told me I'm insecure, that I've "put you down", I'm "just entertainment", I have "low standards", that I'm "not exactly an intellectual heavyweight", that I've accused you of being "dishonest", that I'm "ignorant", that "you have some mouth on you there", and that I'm "not a challenge." I've never said anything like these things to you, but it's me that's making it personal, name calling and tearing you down? Lol  You and 40 really need to visit Websters and look up the term 'hypocrisy."
               

              And of course I'm a challenge to you Chris.  Your posts are very reflective of that.

              • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/14/2009 4:05:48 PM

                Get your facts straight. Reread my posts. I stand by what I said. Meet The Press is not a credible enough source? I never said anything about Pallisor. You have , in fact accused me of being dishonest. Then give me some oops comment instead of an apology. You are entertainment for me and easy. Sorry there is no debate here. NOTHING, BUT NOTHING SUITS YOU. I don't believe you really care whether or not anything I say is credible or not Just as you don't care what Cheney says in credible or not. He's your guy! You have made yourself the authority, on everything. I imagine your family and friends find that little quirk endearing.. My, posts were an effort to drive home my point concerning families who have lost family members. Not an attempt to speak for the soldiers. You, repeatedly, misrepresented me on that issue.
                . You were pretty slow, in getting it. So, I repeated it over and over.. Actually, I don't think you wanted to " get it." You want to fight and I don't. Recheck your posts. You have called me ignorant and challenged my honesty. As for your foul mouth, once again, check some of your previous posts.. Please, speak among yourselves. Reading those posts? Priceless.

                We don't play the victims, because we are the victors and it just eats you up. Mean ol' libs.

                • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/15/2009 8:46:58 AM

                  Indeed I made an error:  "Are you Paule's sister? You certainly sound like it."  I mistook Pallisor for Paul, however the sister idea was the same, you agree?

                   

                  Nothing suits me?  Not so.  People here have asked you for any kind of documentation that Bush and Cheney lied as you claim they have.  You don't have it, but continue to claim none the less that they've been found guilty in the Court of Chris!  I've not made myself the authority, and Cheney's not my guy, but your charges are serious and you've simply been asked to back them up. And Meet the Press, like the shows on Fox is an opinion show.  The only difference is that Fox leans right, Meet the Press leans left.  The bottom line here is that lying to Congress is a federal, impeachable crime, and Bush would have been impeached if there was real evidence presented against him on MTP or any other show.

                   

                  Talk about 'not getting' something!  You fail to understand that when you're damning someone, you must have more than "he's just guilty... I just know he is", and "it's just common knowledge" opinion rhetoric.  Otherwise, you appear as a mob member in the night with a torch in one hand and a pitchfork in the other.  What part of this concept of "innocent until proven guilty" do you not understand?   And please, recheck you're own posts Chris.  It's obvious with your insults that it's you who wants to fight. It's what many resort to when they run out of options.

                   

                  Since you brought up posts that didn't involve you, I'll address them.  Yes, I won't be pushed around and will hand back a small portion of what's dished out to me when I'm attacked.  And no comment from you about the vulgar, foul, disgusting and degrading names I've been called by your so-called upstanding friends 40YearR and izageek?  No?  Not even a peep from you about that?  Then obviously it's okay for them to hand that garbage out at will, but in your eyes if I hand back even a fraction of it I'm the one that's foul.  Pick up a Webster's Chris and look up that term I mentioned...

                   

                  This has gone as far as it can go.  You've been asked here on several occasions to support your claims.  You can't, because it isn't there, and that is why Bush was never impeached.  You would continue to claim they're guilty, and you would continue to be asked for evidence that isn't there.  It would be pointless for any one of us to discuss this with you further.  To do so would be, as you put it "wanting to fight." 

                   

                  Have a nice day, Chris.

        • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/13/2009 12:15:20 AM

          No 40, the only issue Chris addresses is that she thinks she speaks for the Iraqi's and the soldiers that serve there.  She does neither.

          • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 1:45:04 PM

            Chris has never said she speaks for the Iraqis or soldiers over their. You on the other hand have! Saying you lost ancestors, years ago is not feeling the pain. She has, however, felt the real, as opposed to virtual, repercussions of a very real war. Are you Paule"s sister? You certainly sound like it. Have fun debating among yourselves. You guys are having a blast, cracking each other up.. Knock yourselves out; you sound like a bunch of high school kids. Go team! Sore losers. The level of intellect and debate is breathtaking. Simply inspiring!

            If you can't win the argument, just keep confusing the issues. You kids wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face.

            To say it is foolish to mourn my nephew and quote Patton is the ultimate in insensitivity. You are an ass! Walk a mile in my my family's or the soldiers shoes, then you have credibility. Please, tell us about your actual war experiences. Let's here about the pain and sorrow you have experienced. On the truth and integrity meter you guys rate "0". You completely skip over the point that I do have valid [not gossip, not hearsay] issues. Cowards, each and every one of you!. Keep supporting each other, because you are the only ones who will. You kids are sooo cool.

            • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/13/2009 5:04:53 PM

              Careful there Chris.. looks like somebody logged in as somebody else!

              • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 11:44:57 PM

                So, if you are insinuating that I have more than one login, you are sadly mistaken.. What purpose would that serve? I have never been anything but honest and forthright on these blogs. You can even ask my detractors. I am not that kind of person. So, if you are suggesting otherwise, you might want to think again. If I really cared, I suppose I could be insulted. The truth is I don't care what you think. There are a couple of people, here who I do respect, believe have integrity and take at their word.. They know who they are.. Most others don't really matter.

                This is a forum for me to blow off a little steam and sometimes learn something new. When it's civilized it can even be fun. It gives me insight into the different kinds of people that are out there. You will probably disagree with me, as usual, but I believe 40yr is a person of integrity. i don't have to agree with someone to respect them. I am not an easy person to get to know or one who trusts easily. I don't make friends easily, but the ones I have I tend to keep. Slow to warm up, would probably apply. I see no need to be phony and people will eventually see through that anyway. So there you have it. Please don't ever accuse me of dishonesty again, if that is where you were going.

                • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/14/2009 8:51:36 AM

                  Take it easy Chris.  I didn't accuse you of being dishonest, it was a simple observation.  You have to admit it looked odd, but you explained it so it's nothing to get in a twist over.

              • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 11:51:50 PM

                Wait! Because I refered to myself in the first person, you thought that? Have you never heard of sarcasm or irony? Oh brother, there's a conspiracy around every corner isn't there? BOO! Now Chris is ticked off. Amazing. Someone owes Chris an apoplogy now. Not holding her breath.

        • Posted By: gregcovert @ 06/13/2009 12:20:32 AM

          40 has spoken. I'm a racist. I use to think that being a racist was the worst thing that you could be until I met you and Geek. Chris has her own issues like I said.

          "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."

          George S. Patton

    • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/12/2009 11:50:18 PM

      Wow. No proof... nothing but gossip and hearsay, but she's so cool.

       

      Only from liberal, none republican 40yearwhatever. You're so full of it 40.

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/13/2009 1:06:28 AM

    40, I caught part of your post. I see what you mean by they are not making it easy to post. It is not easy to debate with these people. They are definitely right wing Rush, Hannity loving foks, I'll check in from time to time. Tried to debate with FF but she is also a deflector who won't debate the real issue. Just keeps coming back to her one 1 initial point. Hope to see you on another post. In the meantime be well

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 06/13/2009 1:36:59 AM

      Thanks chis.  I'm kinda busy saying what I 'really' think right now....  Let's hope for moderators someday.  In the meantime...  play it where it lies...  FF is so completely weak...a rightwing chanter...  nasty to the core too... but it's dem udda guys dat's da racists...  And we're just here to get along...  I dooo hope we can have some real fun some day.... till then... play it where it lies...

      • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 06/13/2009 1:46:32 AM

        I hope for moderators too someday 40.  You'll be the first to go with the foul language you've used here.  And weak?  Like Chris, no proof of any of your idiotic assertions, just a bunch "what you believe" gossip nonsense. Like that'll fly in the real world.

         

        You're no lawyer 40, and everyone here can see it.  Come up with something substantial someday and you might actually be found credible.

         

        By the way, you're already playing it where it "lies."  Lying is what you do best here.

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 06/13/2009 1:56:07 AM

          Wassa matter?  No Rush advocasy for you?  Yup, I lied.  Rush isn't a racist!  And waterboarding isn't TORTURE!  It's just a little water in the face....  And I'm just soooo sorry that we just have to resort to.... TORTURE... to protect the Homeland.... and besides, they attacked us!  Whatever are we to do?!  You catch me in all my lies, don't you? you just sweetheart girl who's just here to have FUN and make FRIENDS and discuss FACTS!  What are SAMBO 'n BOY 'n N!GGER among us friendly folk?

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/07/2009 8:05:23 PM

    40, Are you listening? I'm a fan of this bumper sticker. Ok, I stole the idea, but here it goes. "Cheney/Palin 2012!!!! Madness plus Dumbness- Two mints in ONE!.

    I blame him mostly for the war., Which is to blame for my sister's madness [her words] and my mother's rage. I firmly believe he is a CHICKENHAWK. Which explains why I cannot get enough of ragging in Cheney.

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/07/2009 7:07:50 PM

    I think that after the second arrest, he had more clout and was able to keep his record "underwraps" as they say. In Jackson he's considered a hometown boy and let's face it a celebrity.

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/07/2009 6:58:09 PM

    izageek, It's not my birthday, but thanks for the present anyway!

  • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/07/2009 5:54:41 PM

    You can call it shunning or whatever you like. I, however, call it "refusing to respond." That is my intention. Perfectly legal and easy to do. My wish is simply that, if those I refuse to respond to would respect that and not respond to my posts either. I call it "baiting". Healthy debate, of opposing or like minded views is good. Those who are in it simply to start a fight and keep the fight going is not very productive or respectful. Guess I'm the crazy one, but it seems very disingenuous for those who are not citizens of the U.S.A. to "feign" concern for us , call names and critique our president. One would think they would have their own house to clean before judging ours or our lives. To those who are not contributors to our society and call others dregs. Well, people who live in glass houses...................

    Just another waste of space, lunatic,

    Chris S.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2009 4:25:44 PM

    Mamma mia! You guys still at it I see.. don't know whether to laugh or cry...I will say this thoguh, two women arguing would have kissed and made up by now and gone to the mall to shop together! I guess I'm too idialistic?

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/05/2009 9:42:34 PM

      Pia, can you believe this? What sparked this whole thing again? What's this going to take? Maybe dueling pistols at 40 paces? Is that the "guy" way? My God! You'd think they'd both worn the same dress to the same party or something equally awful. Even we get over something, "horrific" like that in a couple of weeks or so. Good excuse to go out and buy a new dress, right?

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2009 9:54:55 PM

        chris, I don't know whay sparked it, I did post a bit today, maybe it was me, not sure..if so, I only meant to help.

        Shopping-you need to check out VS web site. The shoes, the shoes! Any style, any heel height. On sale and beautiful!

        • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/05/2009 10:46:24 PM

          Oh yeah, about VS, I love some of their tops. Reallly well made and last a long time. Yes, I like their "other stuff" too. Of course I'm speaking of their fragrances.

        • Posted By: chris s. @ 06/05/2009 10:42:00 PM

          Retail therapy, good job supporting the economy. Remember, after 9/11 Bush told us to shop. I don't hate him either, just don't respect him. I think he is a little "dim" and let's others do the thinking for him. He's easily led. Most of my shopping is done online. That is unless my daughter and I get together. Then it's a girl thing.

          Go ahead and drink, just do it responsibly. I can't talk because I happen to have a glass of wine next to me now. I grew up in California surrounded by vineyards. Now, in my neighborhood for the past ten years, they've been pulling out pear orchards and planting grapes. It's like I'm back to where I started. So, even though I have much to learn. I'm learning to appreciate good wine. Have to support the local economy, right?

          You do what's right for you. I know it's hard not to try and straighten people out. They know how to press your buttons. It worked on me for awhile, but every time I start to respond, I remember that awful facebook page. That makes it easy for me. Personally, I just skip over "certain" posts now. So, I guess we're just going to have to wait this out. Girl talk is good. We understand each other. Just think, lugging all those shopping bags, just helps give you those Michelle Obama arms. I'm so jealous of them.

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 06/05/2009 10:03:36 PM

          Hi Pia! Of course you didn't cause it. It happened the same old way. The time has come. Gonna sign of for now. Have a nice evening. Hope you can stay away from the baddies. Just ignore them for now.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2009 10:10:02 PM

            Hi 40! Good to read you, thank you. Today I did post here but all I did was support izageek. I even posted some mean comments to paulejb and that izzagreek guy! Are you proud of me?

            • Posted By: 40YearR @ 06/05/2009 10:18:24 PM

              Fighting the bad guys is always coming from the right place Pia. I did a bit of the last night too. Yes, I am proud for you. Let's let them stew in their own bile for a while, ok? Good night SP.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2009 9:51:40 PM

        Hi chris! Thank you for this funny post, you made my night! I just got home from ......you got it! Shopping! My arms hurt from having to lug around so much stuff. I blame this conflict for my shopping spree.....all the stress!

        I don't know what to do anymore. I shun and it doesn't work. I reply to posts and initiate conversations and that doesn't work either. What to do??? This is driving me to drink! And if this wasnt enough, I am in an argument with a newbie on another article. The guy who is a Bush hater keeps arguing that I can't possibly be an Obama supporter unless I hate the former president. I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2009 2:16:01 PM

    izageek, view that item five times, thank you.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/05/2009 2:14:49 PM

    Paul-Take a break! You're here 24/7 with this stuff! Are you chained to your pc? Do you want me to call 911?

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2009 10:19:07 PM

    Can we have time out to answer my question please? I want to know, if someone works at a job where they visit state and federal institutions (prisons) on a regular basis, what type of job is it? Law enforcement? Attorney? Psychologist? Thank you.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2009 4:03:44 PM

    Come on paul, apologize to izageek so we can all get on with our cyber lives instead of having to watch this train wreck you are in. It's not dificult to apologize and it is virtuous. I know you can do it and afterwards we can all discuss politics. God knows I need to learn about politics if I am to continue to post on NW esp. since one poster has accused me of being a chatterbox who is off topic half the time. You wouldn't want me to be embarassed by my ignorance of politics now would you?

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/04/2009 3:41:00 PM

    Paulejb- My very last comment to you regarding this very unfortunate and sad situation is to ask you to please stop this with izageek. Soon this article will be taken off and you won't be able to continue anyway. You will not be allowed to do this elsewhere here. Apologize to izageek for what you called him and end this now. Thank you.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/03/2009 3:11:10 PM

    Izageek, I know you will probably be upset with me for posting this but as your friend, I have to. I care about you iza, I want was is best for you and this ongoing fight with paulejb is not good. This has gone on far too long and there is no end in sight. You know that I'm right. I know you're hurt and offended and insulted by what paulejb posted about you and I am very sorry but dragging this out is only going to hurt you more. Don't let paulejb waste anymore of your time with this. NW should be just an enjoyable hobby.

    Iza, remember that you have friends here. Please, I beg you to leave this article.. let this go. There are many new articles just put up. Post elsewhere.

    Pia

  • Posted By: BMale @ 06/02/2009 11:54:57 PM

    I got an email today from a friend asking me to come and check out these terrible posts. The post I am talking about are by gregcovert and paulejb and there racist attack of izageek. I'm shocked that this sort of thing is still going on. I want to formally complain, how does one go about doing that?

    I would also like to ask why aren't there more people voicing their outrage concerning this? Shame on you people. Have you all forgotten Rosa Parks? These types of comments should not be allowed to stay in public view.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/03/2009 12:01:27 AM

      BMale- Many of us including me have sent Newsweek countless complaints. I even stayed off this article for four days hoping that if we ignored these two they would get bored and stop this behavior. It's hopeless.

      • Posted By: BMale @ 06/03/2009 12:10:50 AM

        Thank you Pia1981 for responding. You said you complained, how? Is that what the report abuse button is for? Is there an email address or a link to formally send a complaint? I hope you do not mind listing some info. I have several friends and people that I work with that are very upset about this and they want to complain. We are also putting the link to this article on other message boards.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/03/2009 12:29:21 AM

          BMale, you are welcome. Yes, the Report Abuse is one way to complain over individual posts. If you scroll down to the bottom of the page you will find info to contact. Thank you for your support of izageek.

          • Posted By: BMale @ 06/03/2009 1:05:34 AM

            Thank you for your reply. I plan to send this info around to everyone I know.

  • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 06/02/2009 11:54:04 PM

    Paulejb, are you that poster that picked on Pallisor and I on the Speaker article last week? You know who I mean. I'm going to find out because I just contacted NW over this poster and they are looking into it.

  • Posted By: Joe Zero @ 05/27/2009 3:50:38 PM

    Since I haven't weighed in on this other than to focus attention on the fact that Chris got punked by her "friends" and that she had inadvertantly skewered the "pia" character by recognizing pia's voice in a parody(that would be humiliation enough for most people, but not these gobots), I will merely say that anyone who would associate themselves with the sick, perverse and grotesque homophobic behaviors of the "izagek" ("gregconvert")person is in need of incarceration for the protection of the public.
    Shame on you creeps for stooping to homophobia when the chips were down.A pox on any and all who engage in this demented behavior, no matter what the excuse.


    The more you "all" talk, the more we find out what is in the dark recesses of your psyche. Ugly.

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/30/2009 12:16:39 AM

      It may be shocking to you but that poor, lame chris chick didn't feel humiliated or skewered. Yeah, she got punked and apologized to anyone she might have hurt. Now you got your feelings hurt and for that I am very sorry. That's no reason for you to go off like somebody's crazy aunt in the attic.

      The first time I saw your moniker here [Mark] you were huffing and puffing about getting people reported and excommunicated from NW. Now you are dictating who can and cannot be on this site. Pretty much how tyrants get their jollies. I'm for tolerance don't engage in character assassination and live and let live. Honestly now, haven't you noticed I"m on a liberal web site! You were offended and have come out swinging. Standing up for yourself is a good thing, cheers! Taking other people down a bad thing, jeers! My family was once called Nazi here. Offended? You bet! Putting people on "lists?" Now what does that smack of? You're right, intolerance stinks and is hateful. You, trying to fight the fight alone is not going to make anybody cease and desist. I get that if you don't defend yourselves, who will.

      I seriously doubt if Newsweek is going to do anything about this hoopla. Kinda like Hannity's waterboarding, they are just waiting for it to quietly go away. Although, since they haven't shut or even dimmed this blog down, they're probably keeping it going for their amusement. Part of the amusement is you! That's a mighty big chip on your shoulder. Must be hard to carry it around day after day. What is this "we" thing? With all due respect,, is that you, Silvio,, Tony and the gang? I know I'm the "dim" one here, so calmly and speaking slowly, educate me if I've missed anything. Go on, take me to task. I don't owe you an explanation, but I can take it.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/30/2009 1:30:00 AM

        chris, this is one of the most awesome posts I've ever read, from insight, perspective, cleverness, and just plain I-won't-bend-to-you're-sort.

        You count, chris.

        As they would say in pidgin: Hele on Sistah! And hana hou!

        • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/30/2009 8:04:41 PM

          Thanks,, but you do know that by responding to you, they think I'm sucking up? Like I care! My parents were right, I am bull headed and don't run from a fight. A vice, I know. I'm working on it.

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/31/2009 2:05:07 AM

            It's not a vice chris. It is integrity and courage.

        • Posted By: izzagreek @ 05/30/2009 1:31:47 AM

          that pidgin stuff sounds kind of racist and a bit on the bigot side.

          • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/30/2009 1:43:14 AM

            That's just your bigotry speaking OCD. In fact, my appreciation of pidgin is a product of my love for my favorite culture.

            But keep working at it OCD, that infinite number of monkey minds, hammering away at those infinite number of virtual typewriters, for an infinite period, is bound to hit on something, sometime....

            It's just a question of how long it will take for it to be 'when' at this point.

            Don't even have to worry yet about how the expansion of the Universe ultimately will reduce the temperature to the point all those random electrons bouncing around in those 'many minds' will approach absolute zero and just come to a stop...

            Just keep at it OCD, the odds are still in your favor....

            • Posted By: izzagreek @ 05/30/2009 11:45:55 AM

              Now, 40. Be nice to Greg. He is the man. And you know how I feel about men:)

          • Posted By: gregcovert @ 05/30/2009 11:42:05 AM

            I think you are 100% correct! That 40R guy sure sounds like a racist bigot. We can always hope for a bad car accident or something. Keep your fingers crossed!!!!

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/27/2009 10:07:19 PM

      Ok Joe [Mark] I think I already explained that I came in this site after a looong day and was really rummy. For a second, the new names had me flustered. Mea culpa! I can take it. If Pia isn't offended, why are you riding this into the ground? Knock yourself out bud! By the way, if your ever hear me say anything homophobic, or racist, by all means, call me out on it. You seem to be the only one who cares. Instead of putting out this fire with water, you seem to be intent on pouring gasoline on it. You're lovin' every minute of it. Don't come to a gun fight with a knife.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/28/2009 12:46:34 AM

        What, Marky, no resonse? I guess I'm not worthy. You just like to mock people as it suits you. Boy, you sure are making a big ol' deal out a slip up of mine. Enjoy, you are not worthy of my key strokes any longer. You sure can dish it out, Not too hot in the "taking it" dept. Getting tired again and wouldn't want to slip up and give you ammo for your next fight. Got me shakin' in my socks.

      • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/28/2009 12:39:07 AM

        Just remember chris, paulejb thinks every word or phase he's ever used, no matter how old, was the first time anyone has ever used it.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/27/2009 4:04:14 PM

      Joe Zero-I am not a character, I'm a person. Chris mispoke, that's all. She meant nothing offensive. None of chris's friends skewered her. If you read the entire thread you would see who is the instigator here. It is one vicious or two persons posing under at least three other usernames similar to mine and two other posters in order to discredit us as Obama supporters. I've already reported abuse several times but nothing has been done. Others here have reported abuse too.

      Thank you for your comment. Hopefully the person(s) doing this will stop.

      • Posted By: Joe Zero @ 05/27/2009 4:18:09 PM

        Sorry I can't agree. Most here think it was just your gang having fun at Newsweek's expense. Whatever, you did not address in any way the homophobia presented here in such a filthy torent of hate last night. Many gay/lesbian/transgender people post here and we note the instances of homophobia and wonder why NW lets it go on. You talk about reporting, we have a formal, written complain pending with the WP co naming names and you are definitely on the list.
        We wonder why you whine when anyone makes the the slightest sexual allusion to "pia" but are silent when one of your own lets loose with vile hatred against gays.
        Can you tell me why?

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/28/2009 12:32:49 AM

          "we have a formal, written complain pending" HA! Still investigatin' your little heart away, huh?

          I've seen lottsa racism... but that's ok?

          Homophobia? Well if you mean that Floridave/TTR and gregcovert just can't stop making homosexual allusions to anyone who might be an Obama supporter, then I guess you're right.... Seems more like closet projection to me though....

          You are remarkably lame to accuse Pia of using pseudonyms. No other candidates for, say ScamBuster (or whatever), issadick, ono-mata-pia and Repubnomas? Yer some kinda insightful and straight shootin' fella to aim all that on Pia. Or is it just that ongoing obsession leaking out again?

        • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 05/27/2009 7:23:48 PM

          Zero or Thieme or whoever you are... Lighten UP!!! You don't have any complaint filed anywhere. Or if you do, no one will take it seriously. NW is one of probably a thousand or more *opinion* blogs." Do you actually think any powers that be are interested in the banter that goes on here? While certainly goofy, none of it is threatening, and both sides seem to be handling it well without your interference. Also, do you not think the good folks at Newsweek would act if they thought something was getting severely out of hand? If you're a guy, (and judging by your post) you're obviously a gay or a TV and you got your feelings hurt. Get over it. If people want to go at here, they do so with the permission of Newsweek, not your dictations. Otherwise, they get deleted as you've experienced.

           

          If you don't like what you see, quit griping and move on.

           

          Btw, I think you're Theime... you're the only one here that continues with the threat of *filing outside complaints.* You had this big "claim" once before.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/27/2009 4:43:07 PM

          Joe Zero-stop lying about me. I haven't posted one single offensive comment and you know it. I just reported you for abuse and harassment. I know who you are, you are not Joe Zero, you're hiding under a new identity. You have harassed me in the past. I never reported you but this time I did. I saw all of your posts with what Chris said about me. I reported that too. Tell me again about the list I'm on. There is not a comment here from em that is considered offensive.

      • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/27/2009 10:20:59 PM

        Pia, I wasn't going to post tonight, but had to when I saw "Marky Mark's" comment. Thanks for understanding my confusion. If I haven't apologized to you personally yet, please accept my apology. I was physically and mentally "fried" that night. Then I came on here and, surely, was confused with all the new names.. Let this be a lesson to you kids, don't post while tired! As i posted above to Marky, if you understood,, I really don't know how in the world it concerned him, other than to fuel the flames. He's acting indignant, but is really enjoying all this.

    • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/28/2009 12:24:06 AM

      Hey MT, Been taking a break? How's that 'investigation' going with all your high powered 'friends' at NW who give you the inside on everyone's IP? Wow, are you really, really important! Too bad you're so ineffective at getting all those people you kept warning you were going to get booted off....

  • Posted By: enforcement II @ 05/24/2009 6:57:00 PM

    Gotta move fast to beat the trash here. Got a bunch busted yesterday and they are already back.
    Goodnight and good luck!

    • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 05/24/2009 7:04:52 PM

      so-called enforcement... no wonder you want to run... you're full of it.

      • Posted By: issadikk @ 05/24/2009 8:38:45 PM

        don't like your politics Fox, but this guy is a creep.
        We'll run him out like we always do the jerks. Between Ono, Repugnomas and me, we decide who can be here. (with a little help from our friensd!)
        Keep your nose clean sister. I like you, but I can't protect you.

        • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 05/24/2009 11:47:25 PM

          My mistake Issa.. I thought you were someone else. My apologies.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/26/2009 9:41:23 AM

            FF-issa is gregcovert mocking izageek. He is also ridiculing me and 40 with usernames. Please try to ignore him. Thank you.

            Hope you had a good holiday!

            • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/26/2009 10:04:18 AM

              Nope. OCD. covert never had it in for you, Pia. And covert doesn't follow people around article to article. OCD is ridiculing all three of us, as he's done from the very beginning. Check out the 'cute' play on words and languages in the names. That's not a covert conceit. It's an OCD conceit.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 05/26/2009 10:23:51 AM

                40, go to the Bush Afterlife article. Someone there made an admission.

                • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/27/2009 3:01:46 AM

                  Sorry, Pia. Couldn't find it. Get home late, tired, so maybe that's the reason. I'm certainly interested, of course. Can you paste it into an email for me? Thanks.

                  • Posted By: Geekster @ 05/30/2009 2:40:28 PM

                    You get the crappy night shift at your corporate banking job as the janitor 40? That must stink with the urinals and all to clean at the end of the day. Now I know why ur so grumpy 40. Poor 40.

            • Posted By: izzagreek @ 05/30/2009 11:52:44 AM

              Pia, be nice, you know Greg is the man.

    • Posted By: Repubnomas @ 05/24/2009 7:05:42 PM

      damn straight, reinforced. We warned you before. we own this board. all the names and all thre talk, all the time.
      better get used to it or go somewhere else.

      • Posted By: issadikk @ 05/24/2009 7:08:15 PM

        another damn siko bites the dust! Nice work gang!
        great to be back in the saddle... so to speak!

        • Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/25/2009 9:43:37 PM

          You're soooo powerful der impostor! And clever too, you betcha!

  • Posted By: Fortunate Fox @ 05/30/2009 10:16:36 AM

    40YearR, I'm responding to your comments below:

     

    You are speaking of an incident that happened two months ago between me and someone else, and there was nothing "relentless" about it. It not only didn't involve you and was therefore none of your business, it was resolved without any of your childish interference whatsoever. Your attempt to justify your vile attack on me because of this is feeble and pathetic.

     

    You *insulted* me? Laughable! Allow me to show you just one of your versions of an "insult":

     

    Posted By: 40YearR @ 05/12/2009 12:10:18 AM "Racism is only one of FlatulentFux's 'attributes'. Makes her feel??? powerful??? worthy??? in some distorted way??? worth that she cannot find within herself??? and obviously no one else can find in her either???.

     

    She said at the Rush article she doesn't think he's a racist??? so if he's not??? then she must not be either??? just one of several affinities she feels for that pig, blowhard Rush??? no matter that he's a sexist too??? she obviously has no self esteem??? Besides, he tells her everything she 'knows'??? how could she do without him?

     

    FlatulentFux is the stankest skank female I've ever seen on NW??? anyone has ever seen???. she is stank slime in all here posts??? and I'm sure in her??? emissions too???"

     

    This is not an insult 40, it's a stalking, harassing, vile and abusive attack. What's more, you made this attack for a comment I didn't even make to you. You weren't involved in the least. The simple fact is I stand up to you and your BS here at Newsweek and you can't take it. You resort to this behavior the way a childish school boy throws rocks at the girls, and it amazes me that you actually try to sell this nonsense as justified. It's funny... I've seen your ongoing exchange with Palliser and how you'd never stoop to the level of abusing murdering terrorists. I see your upstanding logic doesn't apply to American women here at home. You're a pathetic excuse for a man 40, and all of this really does make you look quite the fool. Not surprising, as you've never had a problem with looking like a fool here at Newsweek.

     

    Lastly, the rep guys can and certainly do argue with the women here at Newsweek. I may have missed something, but I've yet to see any of them use the foul, disgusting language on them that you and your abusive pal have directed at me.

     

    Try and justify that.

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