The S Word

moriarty, Please read the whole context, this means to use for His service..............

Ex 13:13 And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem. 14 And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:
(redeem) <padah>. means to "rescue" preserve for His service so they would pass on the knowledge of what God did for them. something people today have forgotten even though we have it written down.
Don't be ignorant.

Ho 4:6 ¶ My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

reisbergsgal said,
When the Bible speaks of stoning your child to death for shaming the family, or selling one of your wives, or sacrificing your animals do you take that literally?

Only ignorant persons would take that literally today seeing that we are not under that system of law today.....................Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Rich Monk said,
Take religion out of the equation,

Rich, this is what got us into this mess to begin with.
Don't be ignorant.

Ho 4:6 ¶ My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

In the comments thread following the Minneapolis Star Tribune "Editorial: Obama's abortion 'common ground'," on May. 20, 09 at 7:04 pm I posted "It is not a debate unless your opponent uses civility, logic, context, factual accuracy, and addresses your legitimate points. Every single experience I have had with the pro-life contingent has shown that they are not capable of debate. When I try to participate in comments threads with these people, I end up feeling brutalized, date-raped, and blamed for it all over again! The essay I wrote on the topic is published on newsvine." The following post by dankoz on May. 20, 09 at 8:58 pm WAS A FIRST in that dankoz was the FIRST pro-lifer on a comments thread to address a comment I made WITHOUT ATTACKING ME! YES! He actually showed empathy for me and was willing to admit his frustration with the Catholic clergy's support of the war and of the mechanisms that increase the divide between the poor and the wealthy in this country!!!! Maybe dankoz is one of the rare Christians actually following Christ! Don't you other pro-lifers see that your approach is what polarizes the debate and drives women to Planned Parenthood, which unfortunately doesn't really offer options! Like others were saying, nobody is "pro-abortion"! We all agree that it is a tragic last option when the other options are likely to perpetuate poverty or tie a woman to a man she is better off without. Pro-lifers just absolutely need to quit screaming and implying "Murderer!" and work on mitigating the social ills that cause a woman to want an abortion!

Sorry about the gramatical errors, my keyboard broke and I am using the online keyboard. Proof read!

Take religion out of the equation, us logic, and facts to arrive at a basic proven assumpsion. Everyone wants to see and feel what sex is all about when you were, or are in your teen years. Give all females access to the best Birth control available. The modern day sexual revolution started in the 60's, has let the " Gennie", out of the bottle and it is not going back! Ass long as males want to sex with females than society has an ethical and moral, and compassionate duty to protect females of all ages.

DHAMPTON SAID:
This is entirely a woman???s decision meaning ???no men allowed???.

HAMPTON,
WAS THIS ALSO ENTIRELY A WOMANS DECISION?

Ge 3:6 ¶ And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

GOD COMMANDED ADAM NOT TO EAT OF THE TREE AND HE WAS WITH HER BUT HE DIDN'T FULFILL HIS ROLL AS THE HEAD.
JUST LIKE YOU WOULDN'T TELL SOMEONE THEY WERE WRONG, THEY BOTH WERE IN THE TRANSGRESSION............. ...Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Just like men today who don't have the wherewithal to stand up and do the right thing.

DHAMPTON100 said, after making this statment: who died and made you GOD?
Worse yet, you support politicians who consistently exhibit racism and closeted homosexuality behavior. Some are even pedophiles!

Dhampton,
What gives you the right do condemn the homosexuals and pedophiles and not the abortionist?
Who is being the inconsistant hypocrite now?
God says they're all wrong and you say you are a Christian, (probably a "baptist" or "methodist" etc. etc.)
1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

moriarty_1 @ 05/20/2009 11:04:20 PM said;
1 Samuel 15:3 "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'
"All these pro-lifers just use verses to make their own claim when in fact the bible does neither say or proclaim prolife of babies.


Moriarty,
God destroyed them because they did not reverance Him, just as persons today.
read the whole account:
De 25:17 Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
18 How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.

One way to common ground would be to allow people to vote on it. Why is this forbidden? Why are people forced against their will to fund it? I am, through insurance. One of his first acts was to allow taxpayer funds for overseas abortions. Mind-boggling.

An meaningless, foolish speech from an evil little bastard.

Not a Fundamentalist, nor a religious person, rather an open one.; though more right politically...and left socially(typical American I've found)...however when is the country going to realize that it's not about teaching abstinence or contraception?/??...as both have been taught for years and neither have worked. If one want's teens to think about consequenses the best course of action is honesty, as it has always worked the best. Contraceptives are not fool-proof. All of them are 97-99% effective with PERFECT USE; and 92-94% effective with NORMAL USE. Gross misconception that using a condom will prevent unwanted pregnancies...sometimes a condom and birth-control pills aren't even enough. (to bad for the disclaimers on the boxes or Nuva Ring, Ortho Cyclin and Trojan would have bought me a car by now.)

People who have a fundamentally reliigious view of sex are not going to be able to find common ground with those who have a fundamentally secular view of it. There is no greater chance of finding common ground on sex in our vast, diverse, opinionated society than on abortion itself.

1 Samuel 15:3 "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "
Deuteronomy 32:25 "In the street the sword will make them childless; in their homes terror will reign.
Young men and young women will perish, infants and gray-haired men."

All these pro-lifers just use verses to make their own claim when in fact the bible does neither say or proclaim prolife of babies.

Silly business! Shows how 'ill' America really is! Sex, the most natural thing in the world now politicized, pharmacized, religicized, and otherwise turned into a pathological act.

I hope that President Obama, in supporting adoption as well as abortion, will beseech adoptive parents to "adopt American" -- which includes every racial and ethnic group baby born here, not just the "ideal white, blond, blue-eyed" kind for white parents or the "light-skinned, 'good-haired' baby" for African- American parents. BTW, lightness of skin is favored among American-Asians and Latin Americans, too. Nobody has to go to another country to adopt a baby. Often, the authorities there make it much rougher and more expensive for Americans than can be justified in any way -- look at Madonna's problems. It seems hopeless that Madonna, wanting a black child, will ever want to take one out of a lousy American foster home instead of a foreign land.

As for pro-choice/pro-life arguments, for each "pro-life" demonstrator, lobbyist and politician, I want to see documentation of their adoptions of the babies of women and girls whose minds they "swayed." and pharmcacy receipts of these give-'em-up mothers' purchases of birth control every month thereafter or hospital records of a tubal ligation, which permanently solves the problem.

"Perhaps the left could start by conceding that sex is an activity best enjoyed by mature people in a committed, loving relationship. And then the right might concede that teenagers do have sex even if it's not in their best interests ..." Girls will often want to believe the bit about maturity and commitment, but teen-age boys whoop with laughter at such an idea and at the even more extreme idea that "sex is not in their best interest."

And, while it's true that condoms are easily obtained, no boy or man wants to use them, whether they "might prevent a lot of heartache down the road" or not. If the girl refuses because the boy "forgot" to buy some, she's "spoiling the night" or "blackmailing" him. She's causing him excruciating pain, AKA "blue balls." "He'll "pull out in time." She's nothing but "a tease." It's always her fault, etc. This is the kind of education that needs to be taught, not just how babies get here scientifically, but how they get here socially.

I absolutely love the idea of finding a common ground and not just because it's the American way to allow everyone the pursuit of happiness and free choice. This is a subject that has been fought countless times and may never have a true solution but isn't it worth trying to meet somewhere in the middle? If for no other reason than the physical and emotional health of the women who are subject to any decision that might be made on the matter. Unfortunately, I cannot imagine either side letting go of their monstrous egos to make a concession like that.

The unborn have no faces for us to see nor cries for us to hear. That is why it is so easy to murder them.