Friendly Fire at the White House

Obama's liberal base takes aim over terror policies.

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  • Posted By: vrspock @ 11/25/2009 2:15:09 PM

    Do people not realize that an Alaskan fishing trolley can hire U.S. citizens, take them out to international waters and proceed to charge them rent for working on the trolley, charge them for their meals, make them work 7 days a week for 15 hours a day and throw them overboard to die if they voice any protest to these things? U.S. Civilian laws do not protect U.S. Civilians outside of U.S. Domain! What insanity has possessed people to think that non-U.S. Citizens are entitled to such protection?

  • Posted By: kerrteous @ 08/22/2009 5:34:28 PM

    mjkoch's comments are the most reasoned and down-to-earth I've seen on this board. Terrorists obviously don't play by international rules of war, abide by international law, or follow diplomatic channels to air grievances and fulfill their political purposes. They try to achieve what they want by killing civilians. If they resort to this kind of extreme activity, why would releasing them stop their behavior? The rule of law is important, but these are practical issues that we can't deny. There's a lot of talk about the Constitution protecting the rights of citizens, and therefore Gitmo detainees. But we should remember that these detainees aren't U.S. citizens. Also, they have consciously decided to perpetrate terrorism, and so must account for their actions. They ought to stand trial and be punished. But since the U.S. can't rely on other countries to do that, we apparently need to take on that responsibility ourselves.

    • Posted By: Jimmys Crackhorn @ 11/24/2009 6:22:16 PM

      So prisoners of war should all be detained for life? Prisoners of war are all terrorists? Prosners of war are patriots in their own right...how many of these Afghani "militia" were part of 9/11....3....5....but certainly not many more than that.

  • Posted By: Jimmys Crackhorn @ 11/24/2009 6:20:25 PM

    The GOP won't be happy until we are living with armed militia in the streets, a vast majority of our poor incarcerated and heading to the gas chambers, the blame for all their problems is after all poor people. The hate and fear professed by the GOP is bizarre and somehitng to be ridiculed, abmonished,anad put an end to. Stop the madness of the right...stop blaming poor poeple for your plight.

  • Posted By: FixitJ @ 09/20/2009 5:16:15 AM

    It is disgusting to see how some people hide behind legal arguments of citizenship in an attempt to justify the atrocity of kidnapping, torturing and then imprisoning someone indefinately without any evidence that will stand up in fair court of law!

    I hope these people have the dignity to refrain from asking for our help when it is them being imprisoned and tortured for something they did NOT do! I wonder if they would still support the kidnapping and torturing of people by our government if it were them or their children the government apprehended on some false rumor?

    Make no mistake, people of the sort that will endorse torture and allow indefinate imprisonment of ANYONE without a fair trial and due process, are nothing but cowards unworthy of even being an "American" citizen!

    Get a clue; it isn't about having "Constitutional Rights", rather it is about inalienable rights, it is about doing the "Right Thing", it is about being human and respecting the rights of others, it is about not acting like a Hitler or a Bush....and, unfortunately, it appears we will have to soon add Obama to the long list of despots that just don't understand what it means to be human and respect fairness and the inalienable rights of others. If we as a country fail to get this right, we will deserve the long era of endless wars we will face as a result of the fear we will instill in the rest of the world.

    What would we do if some other country declared the right to secretly kidnap our citizens from their homes, torture them and imprison them indefinately without any charges or trials? Idiots like this make the prediction of doom and destruction a no-brainer...something you cowardly torturers should of considered before you leaped down that God forsaken path! Shame on you people who endorse these evil-doers! Your cowardly fear of what these 'victims' you call 'detainees' may do to you because of what you did to them, is no justification for the continued assault and imprisonment of these possibly innocent people!

    If Obama was a man who believed in doing the "right thing", if we were a country that still believed in doing the "right thing"; criminal charges would be placed against those for whom adequate evidence of wrongdoing exists in a REAL court of law, and pay appropriate restitution to those whom should be released due to lack of adequate evidence and immediately release them to a country of their choice with restitution in hand along with an apology and an assurance that those involved in their wrongful apprehension, torture and imprisonment will be prosecuted.

    The GITMO Torture Camp should be closed IMMEDIATELY. Obama and Congress should apologize to the world on behalf of our country and our government should prosecute the ENTIRE BushCo Cowardly Torture Brigade ASAP.

    But this will not happen because, "doing the right thing" is apparently no longer considered in "our best interest", w

  • Posted By: d5e2s @ 09/01/2009 11:09:21 AM

    It is frustrating to hear people complain that these detainees do not have the same "Constitutional Rights" as citizens. They are not citizens, they are not visitors to our fair land, and as enemy combatants, they are in a dark hole. We have not had this type of person to deal with in the past. Either we had a prisoner of war, or we had a visitor who committed a crime while in our country. They are neither. Does that necessarily mena that they h;ve no rights? No. But it does not mean the they should be enatitles to the rights we enjoy as American Citizens. This needs to be addressed, but not by the President who appears to be acting as the sole dictator. It needs to be addressed by Congress, and laws need to be enacted to deal with this new type of perpetrator. they are not soldiers of nations at war. They cannot be entitled to the rights of prisoners of war. Congress needs to act, and act in teh best interests of the American people.

  • Posted By: kerrteous @ 08/22/2009 5:33:05 PM

    mjkoch's comments are the most reasoned and down-to-earth I've seen on this board. Terrorists obviously don't play by international rules of war, abide by international law, or follow diplomatic channels to air grievances and fulfill their political purposes. They try to achieve what they want by killing civilians. If they resort to this kind of extreme activity, why would releasing them stop their behavior? The rule of law is important, but these are practical issues that we can't deny. There's a lot of talk about the Constitution protecting the rights of citizens, and therefore Gitmo detainees. But we should remember that these detainees aren't U.S. citizens. Also, they have consciously decided to perpetrate terrorism, and so must account for their actions. They ought to stand trial and be punished. But since the U.S. can't rely on other countries to do that, we apparently need to take on that responsibility ourselves.

  • Posted By: headhoncho @ 08/19/2009 6:26:10 PM

    What terror policies? You mean the ones that enable our muslim enemies to destroy our country. Wake up, Sheeple, Obama wants the death of America as much as our enemies do. He believes that when our country falls that our enemies will revere him just like the moronic mainstream media does now. If we don't become a political force against him, we will not have a country for very long. READ MACHELLE MALKIN"S NEW BOOK. BECOME AWARE and ACT NOW!!!!!

    • Posted By: cmdmd @ 08/20/2009 10:48:34 AM

      Uneducated comment at best. Bush was far worse. Read a bit, you'll find a lot of dictatorship traits on his administration. I hope Obama closes Guantanamo and has the "enemy combatants" tried or freed. It is against the Constitution, which protects all citizens equally, to hold people indefinitely. Doing so would be no different than Stalin's show trials.

  • Posted By: PYRRHO @ 08/22/2009 11:41:18 AM

    Obama is typically liberal left. Truely has no clue. His concept of reconciliation and conversation with those bent on destroying our way of life, our values and our children is one of stupidity. Obama is a fool, a loser and is taking America further into the tunnel of no return.

  • Posted By: JohnR22 @ 05/23/2009 9:19:39 AM

    More pro-Obama agit-prop from Newsweek. This puff piece is designed to keep the Centrists (those invaluable swing voters) happy. The piece implies how the radical Left (truly despised by all Centrists) are "unhappy" with Obama. Well...gee...if the radical Left is unhappy with Obama, then that must mean Obama is a Centrist too!! Duh! Nice try Newsweek. Keep selling that snakeoil. The radical Left is as "unhappy" with Obama as the fat lady is unhappy with a cheesecake.

    • Posted By: cmdmd @ 08/20/2009 10:55:02 AM

      Fat Lady + cheese cake....awesome! LOL

  • Posted By: Chief P @ 05/23/2009 6:59:15 AM

    Originally reluctant about Pres Obama, I am now a huge supporter. As a military vet, lifelong republican, I can now see integity and a sincere sense to do the right thing back in the Oval Office. How can Pres Obama do the right thing and shut down GITMO, which the military totally supports, if the congress won't even fund the closure?

    • Posted By: cmdmd @ 08/20/2009 10:53:56 AM

      My friend...because it is plainly wrong. It's wrong to hold people without trial. It's too much like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Remember what the Founding Fathers wrote..one of said documents was the US Constitution. The People have rights, period. You cannot invoke a "war on terror", which is bullsh*t as a reason to violate the Constitution.

  • Posted By: Seattlejames @ 07/03/2009 9:30:06 AM

    Purely sarcastic, absolutly disgusted and utterly appalled at the odasity of these people in congress and the Obama administration!! Throw the bums out!
    Has anyone ever seen smoke in the wind? It will go whatever direction the wind blows!

  • Posted By: Seattlejames @ 07/03/2009 9:20:46 AM

    Hmmmmm! From The Choir loft! One more time- "I did not have sex with that woman!"- It depends on what your definition of "is"- is? My new car from O'brothers car company will be here any day now, it has 3 wheels and 2 seats and it burns heavy fuel oil-Nothing nasty just carbon. Oh it was certified by the federal roads Czar, who consulted with the Federal car Czar, who got the idea from the Family Czar after the Truck Czar eliminated all tractor trailors from the highways, who was appointed by the Czar of all czar's our new King Obama! He going to save us all because we are too stupid to care for ourselves,
    "I must hurry and catch up with my troops for I am their leader and my guidence is needed"!
    I say move them in- Right into Chicago. I know an ex senators place that is available! how about south central LA?
    Oh I know- Lets give them a job, something like the religion Czar! or Ummmm The Social police force!
    Yeah, lets give em a check too so they can start up a new business selling Bama cars!
    I can see it now----Bama Habib's auto sales! "Our motto is- Smoother ride than a Camels Butt in Kenya! My daddy even said so! Or was that Indonesia? Who cares we dont have to prove ourselves anyway! HaHaHA - dumb ass passive christian Americans!"

  • Posted By: Seattlejames @ 07/03/2009 8:53:12 AM

    OH boy! One more time now. "I did not have sex with that woman", It depends on what your definition of "IS" - is!
    i can't wait to see my new bama car, it will seat 2, have 3 wheels, burn Fuel oil and be declared safe for all because they out lawed anything else bigger than this on highways. ah no more road rage- no one will have guns, we will all work for King O'brother and make the same money, and , and , and , One time at band camp!

  • Posted By: dwhat @ 06/03/2009 12:22:03 PM

    If Anthony Romero has a few extra rooms in his house pehaps he could house a few of the good ole guys at GITMO.
    That way we know we would be protected because he would treat them so good!

  • Posted By: danceswithtrees @ 05/23/2009 6:22:37 PM

    Obama seems to be pack peddling on Gitmo and alsmost all other campaign "promises" he made. I smell a one termer!

  • Posted By: akatz @ 05/23/2009 12:47:16 AM

    Originally a huge supporter, I am terribly disappointed with the national security and justice decisions of the Obama administration. Terribly disappointed.

    Detention without trial is just plain wrong. He knows that; he's a Constitutional scholar.

    Preventive detention is the refuge of tyrants and should never be allowed.

    Don't Ask Don't Tell seems to have completely fallen off his radar.

    It looks like Obama is becoming an excellent Republican president.

    Damn!

    • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/23/2009 5:33:26 PM

      Don't push him off on us, we already have enough of an image problem, and more then enough whinny little sissy boys! Haha!

      In his defense he expected to be still be swimming with the Hammer Sharks but ended up un-protected in a Ocean of Great Whites.

  • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/22/2009 10:05:16 PM

    Ok so the article starts with the mess poor President Obama had been left with by his predecessor, was that 9/11, Barney Franks, Congress as a whole or what I???m not sure? This was election was great for several reasons one is who the heck would have wanted to be President right now, all I have to say is get over it, get over yourself, Duh?

    After 9/11 President Bush did what he had to and consulted I am sure allot of highly qualified people on terrorism and based his actions on this information. Has anyone thought even for a moment why Dick Cheney would be happy to have Classified Documents released? Haha it worked so well for Obama to release the records he did, wonder why he stopped?

    Criminal Prosecution of at least one Bush-era officials sure lets start with Biden. The Biden plan (Same as Obama's) was a complete failure, as a withdraw of Iraq and Biden is directly responsible of President Bush's plans failure. So calculate how many more lives were lost because of Biden's ignorance he is yours do with him as you may.

    Since the beginning of time there has been Wars they are ugly in the least, until the advent of media coverage only myth and hearsay as to what happens. Until Media coverage you had to listen to the stories of Veterans or read their Journals to get the scope of the in-humanities. The front line is maintained by our young people, emotions run high and violent it is to be expected and happens. Guantanamo Bay was/is passive compared to what you can read and watch about what else is going on and has gone in the world.

    Personally sitting here at the computer being able to read and say what I want is enough reason to thank every Bush, Cheney... and young person for there sacrifice!

    As for the liberal you also serve a purpose just watch out of the Socialist because I will guarantee your going to your going to be screaming bloody murder.

  • Posted By: mjkoch @ 05/21/2009 5:30:40 PM

    The liberals believe all the inmates at Guantanamo are innocent despite the fact the Pentagon report states that almost seventy five that were released have returned to terrorist activities. If we release more of these criminals the percentages state that there will eventually be over a hundred terrorists released to conduct more murder and destruction. Terrorist activities mean one thing: murdering innocent people, not simply having an opinion or values different than ours.

    The left wing believes we can negotiate and convince the psychopaths who are throwing acid on young girls faces in Afganistan, sending suicide bombers into restaurants and busses, and chopping peoples heads off that our way is the better way and get them to change their ways. There are evil people at Guantanamo that deserve to remain in prison. They are not, as the left would have you believe, innocent people picked up for crimes they did not commit.

    • Posted By: child @ 05/21/2009 7:11:20 PM

      mjkoch,

      Your "liberal" strawmen believe nothing of the sort. We simply believe in the rule of law, and the right of due process if we are to have a truly free society. We believe that guilt shouldn't be assumed, it should be demonstrated in a court. Tell me, how do you know who is guilty of what?

      The bogeymen that you are describing, are the same to which Obama referred today: "Now, finally, there remains the question of detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. . . .there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States"

      If this is true, tell me why can they not be tried? If the evidence is tainted, why does anyone believe it? If it can be demonstrated that these detainees are as bad as we're told, that they "pose a threat," then there should be no problem convicting them, right?

      If these detainees, even if they mean us harm, are denied habeas corpus, then the danger is that we all become vulnerable to unfounded accusations. That's what "liberals" believe. We are concerned that if anyone is kept from due process, then we all are at risk to the whims of the powerful.

      • Posted By: James Lee @ 05/21/2009 9:16:20 PM

        Child, from Wikipedia:

        The federal habeas statute is found at 28 U.S.C. § 2241. The privilege of habeas corpus is a right to be released from imprisonment after unlawful arrest. During the War on Terrorism, the right to petition for a writ of habeas corpus was substantially curtailed for persons accused of engaging in certain conduct. During the Civil War and Reconstruction, a Reconstruction Act for the first time extended the right of federal court habeas review to those in the custody of state courts (prisons and jails), very greatly expanding the writ essentially to all imprisoned on American soil for the first time.

        Please note the phrase "imprisoned on American soil." This writ was intended to provide federal protection for American citizens who were jailed unjustly by a State. Enemy combatants who were captured on foreign soil and imprisoned on foreign soil cannot be denied a privilege they never had in the first place.

        • Posted By: child @ 05/22/2009 1:45:01 AM

          Mr. Lee,

          Habeas corpus was not "intended to provide federal protection for American citizens" The Latin should have been a give-away.

          From your reputable source, Wikipedia:

          Habeas corpus (pronounced /??he??bi????s ??k??rp??s/) (Latin: You (shall) have the body)
          . . . a legal action, or writ, through which a person can seek relief from the unlawful detention . . . It protects the individual . . . from being harmed by the judicial system. The writ of habeas corpus has historically been an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action. . . . Of English origin, it is also known as "The Great Writ," a writ of habeas corpus ad subjiciendum is a summons with the force of a court order addressed to the custodian (such as a prison official) demanding that a prisoner be brought before the court, together with proof of authority, allowing the court to determine whether that custodian has lawful authority to hold that person; if not, the person shall be released from custody forthwith. . . .The right to petition for a writ of habeas corpus has long been celebrated as the most efficient safeguard of the liberty of the subject."

          I'm sorry if the Latin threw you--in laymen's terms: everybody has a right to justice, not only those we like. Thus it is not a privilege; it is a right belonging to all humans, a right that we all have "in the first place."

          Tell me again how you know if these detainees are guilty of the crimes of which they are accused? You can answer in Latin if it's easier for you.

          • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/22/2009 8:48:43 PM

            Child

            Ok, so I???m not a lawyer or have any pretenses towards such but, unless a Prosecutor and Defense Lawyer get together and decide not to let a Jury see all the information pertaining to laws it can???t be with held. This helps them to understand the simplified laws in layman's terms and also what the WIKIPIDA is doing.

            Which leads me to my query did you not read the WIKIPIDA definition of Habeas Corpus to the part which reads "Suspended in the time of National emergency" I would think is a war related clause and isn't the war or terror?

    • Posted By: j.n @ 05/21/2009 7:08:18 PM

      If you had watched your family murdered,your wife and daughters raped and then killed,your house blown up,and then you taken to another country and tortured,if you were not a terroist,freedom fighter when the US does it,i am sure you would become one if you were released.

  • Posted By: sbvpav @ 05/22/2009 5:50:14 PM

    president obama's speech yesterday showed our president frustrated: frustrated with those of us on the left who have become impatient and distrustful and critical, frustrated with those on the right and their "as always" fear mongering and disinformation (it will cost taxpayers to move them to the u.s. as though gitmo does not, they will be released to roam and terrorize our suburbs instead of supermax and/or military prisons already holding terrorist) and spineless congressional democrats for capitulating once again to fear mongering for the sake of their own re-election.

    president obama's speech was excellent and shows he does understand the human rights and constitutional implications.

  • Posted By: Still Free in the USA @ 05/21/2009 11:49:28 AM

    Not only is Obama inept at his job; but clearly has never been briefed on the operation of an American Supermax prison. While one cant get laid; anythng else is available, FOOL! Everything and everyone is for sale in prison for the right price. and the Muslims terrorists already there are in constant recruitment mode. Mexican Mafia and Spanish Cobra; even Arian Brotherhood sleep with magazines taped to their chests and across their kidneys if they are even in the same BLOCK as a Muslim terrorist.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/22/2009 4:33:13 PM

      La Eme (the Mexican Mafia) and the various Aryan brotherhoods sleep with semiautomatic weapons anyway. I knew some ex-gang-members in L.A., and from the way they told it, people didn't mess around. They fight all the other gangs and the police anyway no matter what the Muslims do. As far as I understand the situation, the radical Islamists are just one more faction with a grudge on the block, in my experience.

    • Posted By: JustRay @ 05/22/2009 1:50:35 AM

      Quote:"While one cant get laid; anythng else is available, FOOL!"

      You watch way too much TV. If you actually believe that then you are the FOOL. Having worked at a job where I went to both State and Federal institutions on a fairly regular basis I know what you are saying is crap.

      Supermax inmates are locked in their cells 23 hours a day and the statement 'anythng[sic] else is available' is nonsense. And don't say I'm defending the inmates, far from it. I'm only pointing out you do not know what you're talking about.

      Quote:"Not only is Obama inept at his job; but clearly has never been briefed on the operation of an American Supermax prison."

      Boy, are you out of touch with reality. Hillary supporter right?

    • Posted By: chris s. @ 05/21/2009 10:57:07 PM

      So, you speak from experience?

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