What Green Shoots?

For anyone who's not a bank, the economy still looks bleak. That's why it's time to start demanding some reforms that help the rest of us.

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  • Posted By: polithica @ 05/22/2009 11:08:29 AM

    While I agree about that people should be allowed to see their FICO score for free (It doesn't really help much to fix mistakes on your yearly free credit reports if you don't know how fixing those mistakes affects your score.), I disagree about the bank fees. Though some are higher than necessary, the banks still need to pay for those services. How would it make sense to a bank to allow a non-customer to take money from their ATM for free? The bank needs to pay for the machine, upkeep, electricity to run the machine, ordering and stocking of the money put in it, reciept paper and ink, security lights and cameras, as well as well as people to regularly audit the machine. Should people who do no business with them be allowed to take away from people who do at no cost? Complaining about fees is fun and socially acceptable, but banks and credit unions are still businesses that have to pay for costs. Maybe all ATMs should be free and we can all pay monthly fees for our checking and savings accounts instead. Of course then everyone will complain that they are no longer offered a free checking account. By the way, why should a bank offer interest on a free checking account? Where is that money for the interest supposed to come from?

    • Posted By: the Gaul @ 05/22/2009 3:34:44 PM

      ALL the money earned by a bank is supposed to come from its lending - not the multitude of fees that it charges. Fine. If a small charge has to be taken from someone who uses another bank's ATM, so be it. I was going to type fifty cents in numerals and symbol as a suggestion, but today's keyboard doesn't even have a 'cents' sign!

      • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 05/31/2009 1:22:40 AM

        Assuming you are using windoz, go to the Start menu/all programs/accessories/System Tools/Character Map. ¢ may not be on the keyboard, but you can cut and paste it.

    • Posted By: arkay @ 05/23/2009 11:53:03 AM

      The cost to a bank for an ATM transaction was $.75 in 1996 and with improvements is probably a tenth or less now. Where do banks get the money to pay interest on a checking account? You are kidding right? It comes form the fees that the bank charges to the people or companies that borrow your money overnight. You didn't think that they have little piles that sit there doing nothing did you? By the way why are they allowed to hold up my money for deposited check for up to ten days and yet withdraw the money in less than three days for a check that is drawn on my account? Is the transaction speed slower in one direction?

    • Posted By: the Gaul @ 05/22/2009 3:30:28 PM

      ALL money earned by a bank is supposed to come from its lending - not the multitude of fees it charges. Fine. If a small amount needs to be taken from non-account holders who use another bank's ATM, so be it. I would have typed fifty cents in numerals and symbol as a suggestion, but today's keyboard doesn't have a 'cents' sign!

  • Posted By: Spankey_Hamm @ 05/25/2009 2:22:58 PM

    Its about time Congress passed a real stimulus plan.... How about they pass a new law giving every American one millioon Dollars ? We will all be millionairs then, we can take it from those Evil Corporations and Rich people...

  • Posted By: The Messiah @ 05/25/2009 1:40:18 AM

    Bama only gives to his friends and steals from tax payers.

  • Posted By: katies-m @ 05/24/2009 11:07:29 PM

    How about this.... let's stop allowing medical debt on your credit report. I am in banking and the main cause of low scores that I see is medical debt. Many people pay their "voluntary" debt as agreed every month but have 500 credit because of medical collections. There are millions of people who always make their car payment. They always pay their mortgage and credit cards. These people happened to have the terrible misfortune of being uninsured or underinsured, so when they have a medical catastrophe, it also becomes a financial catastrophe. Not only are they struggling to figure out how to pay this enormous debt, they are sent to collections. These otherwise financially responsible people now have their ability to get a new car, or home, or decent car insurance, or a cell phone... or any other number of services which require good credit RUINED! ... and all because they or their dependant had the nerve to have a medical issue that cost more than they could afford.

  • Posted By: JWT9988 @ 05/24/2009 6:10:51 PM

    Raina, forget the idiot about being a sassy, plus-sized black woman. He is obviously a racist!! Keep up your bitchin' as I think you do a great job, especially this article.

    • Posted By: Joel_B @ 05/24/2009 6:51:26 PM

      I agree, but let's remember that this country was always run for the wealthy. Always. When the first presidential election was held, only those white males who owned property could vote. Back then, owning property was the equivalent of being heavily invested on Wall street. So, nothing's changed... and nothing will. And the Cuban embargo? That was not because the government there was depriving people of their civil rights (although just like here, they do) but because they took property away from the wealthy.

  • Posted By: DolBrown @ 05/24/2009 3:54:09 PM

    We as the tax payers will never see one dime of that money because we don't have the money to hand over to our poor under paid congress to buy our way out of trouble. She made some points that were in fact true. When it comes to credit cards, a person is dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. ALL CREDIT REPORTING SHOULD BE ILLIGIAL. ALL the cridit reporting agency should be hauled before a court of law and made to make really big changes in how they are allowed to do business.

  • Posted By: Savage1701 @ 05/24/2009 1:28:42 PM

    And just think, if the government had bailed out from the bottom up, all those subprime mortgages would have been A+. Banks would have had instantaneous, irrefutable proof that MBS would be backed and insured by the full credit of the US government. Credit card debt, auto debt, and student loan debt likewise. The banks' balance sheets would have exploded upward in quality overnight. There would have been ZERO chance to claim a liquidity crisis since virtually everything would have been guaranteed liquid by the consumer equal of TARP and all those other stupid acronyms. Blame the Republican president at that time if you want, but don't leave out the Democratically-controlled legislature (since its landslide 2006 victory and all its promises of better government). They are all crooks that have stolen our children's future and left us with an incomprehensible national debt that will be virtually impossible to pay off and virtually guaranteed to cause terrible levels of inflation. why on earth anyone would think Dimon or Lewis is competent to navigate this mess is beyond me. Why Franklin Raines is not in prison for his criminally negligent mismanagement of Fannie Mae is beyond me.

    Hey, at least it's a rainbow coalition that got us here. So maybe we are making progress on the equality front. Enjoy.

  • Posted By: Savage1701 @ 05/24/2009 1:26:56 PM

    And just think, if the government had bailed out from the bottom up, all those subprime mortgages would have been A+. Banks would have had instantaneous, irrefutable proof that MBS would be backed and insured by the full credit of the US government. Credit card debt, auto debt, and student loan debt likewise. The banks' balance sheets would have exploded upward in quality overnight. There would have been ZERO chance to claim a liquidity crisis since virtually everything would have been guaranteed liquid by the consumer equal of TARP and all those other stupid acronyms. Blame the Republican president at that time if you want, but don't leave out the Democratically-controlled legislature (since its landslide 2006 victory and all its promises of better government). They are all crooks that have stolen our children's future and left us with an incomprehensible national debt that will be virtually impossible to pay off and virtually guaranteed to cause terrible levels of inflation. why on earth anyone would think Dimon or Lewis is competent to navigate this mess is beyond me. Why Franklin Raines is not in prison for his criminally negligent mismanagement of Fannie Mae is beyond me.

    Hey, at least it's a rainbow coalition that got us here. So maybe we are making progress on the equality front. Enjoy.

  • Posted By: manny0116 @ 05/24/2009 12:03:57 AM

    The Government bailing out agencies is outrageous. They could have given the money to the citizens of the United States. Then the citizens would have been able to pay off their mortgages, bought a car and got out of debt and everybody would be happy. This Administration has spent more money and has put the Government "us" in more debt than all of the past Administrations put together.

  • Posted By: idonow @ 05/23/2009 8:33:05 PM

    fed up with it all: auditing government agencies or any thing else that doesn't require special skills,you are a voter i presume? no wonder we are up the creek

  • Posted By: gitnerdunn @ 05/22/2009 7:11:29 PM

    They should have given the TARP money to us citizens. Democrats claim that Regan's trickle down economics don't work, yet they give money to corporations. A few thousand dollars in the hands of each head of household in the country would have paid mortgages and other consumer debt, stimulated purchasing, thereby creating work and jobs. All they did was take money from the poor working sap and give it to the rich inept fools who created the mess. All we can do is hope that Hell has a special place for these thieves and destroyers of lives.

  • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/22/2009 5:47:57 PM

    What the Author doesn't say is most all of what she describes is the direct result of the "Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act". It was introduced by Senator Grassley (R) and President Clinton Vetoed the bill and was rewritten by Senator Joe Biden and is considered a Bush/Biden, Bill and passed in 2005.

    Also Biden received from Finical / Credit Card contributions lobbyists for the election years 2000, 2002 and 2004 a total of 173,625.00 (Lobby money / Bribes sounds the same to me!) Before I forget that Delaware, Biden's home State is home of many Credit Card Companies and his Son worked as a Consultant for MBNA a large CC Company at the time.

    In President Obama's defense he did vote against the BAPCPA Bill and when he says we "Have a right not to get ripped off by sudden rate hikes, unfair penalties and hidden fees"
    Even that dim wit Keith Olberman had the sense not to bring the subject up the other day, guess that makes him a 1/32 wit, haha.


  • Posted By: T in ID @ 05/22/2009 5:19:36 PM

    OMG! If "V in NYC" can PAY CASH for a Manhattan apartment then what does she do to overextend herself...take out a line of credit and buy the whole damn island? These ignorant elitist "I got mine MuthaFu@#%!" creeps should really just finish their comments with "Let them eat cake!" Maybe she can help the economy by hiring some worker that was laid-off because her husband or her outsourced his job. He can wash her feet in Evian three times a day and sell the used bathing water to save some cash for a sniper rifle!

  • Posted By: sheila1955 @ 05/22/2009 5:19:29 PM

    RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NOW IF WE CAN JUST GET SOME RELIEF FROM THE THEIVES AT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES

  • Posted By: ranger14 @ 05/22/2009 5:00:54 PM

    Why is that liberals hate companies that charge a fee for service that we as consumers can either choose to use or not, but love the government taking our money by force to spend as they please. I can choose to use another companies ATM and pay the $2 if it's worth it to me, if not I won't do it. Unfortunetely I don't have the same choice with the $40,000 the government takes from me and my family with the force of jail time if I don't comply. Also these are green shoots which means the economy is starting to bottom., it does not mean the economy is booming and we have full employment.

  • Posted By: hardradio @ 05/22/2009 5:00:32 PM

    I email my congressional leaders at least monthly (www.congress.org) asking that MY FICO score be as readily available to me as anything, and that the formula for calculations be made public. This is the nail on the head of the consumer - we don't know what we should do at any given moment to maintain a good credit score and no one is telling us the rules. For all I know they have a Juiji Board and a set of DnD dice to determine what it should be.

    Give me, Mr. Consumer the TARP funds to pay off my debt to the banks. The banks still get the money, I get a better interest rate to pay back the government, my fico score improves (maybe), and with the money I save I finance a new car from GM - everyone wins with my economic stimulus plan.

  • Posted By: hardradio @ 05/22/2009 4:58:46 PM

    I email my congressional leaders at least monthly (www.congress.org) asking that MY FICO score be as readily available to me as anything, and that the formula for calculations be made public. This is the nail on the head of the consumer - we don't know what we should do at any given moment to maintain a good credit score and no one is telling us the rules. For all I know they have a Juiji Board and a set of DnD dice to determine what it should be.

    Give me, Mr. Consumer the TARP funds to pay off my debt to the banks. The banks still get the money, I get a better interest rate to pay back the government, my fico score improves (maybe), and with the money I save I finance a new car from GM - everyone wins with my economic stimulus plan.

  • Posted By: V in NYC @ 05/22/2009 4:00:37 PM

    I couldn't disagree more with the author. My husband and I always pay our bills on time. We never purchase items (apartments, cars) unless we can buy it with cash...yes, we bought our apartment in Manhattan with no mortgage!! My fico scores are all in the 800's and you bet I'm proud of that. If the rest of America stopped over-extending themselves, we wouldn't be in the predicament we're in.

    • Posted By: T in ID @ 05/22/2009 4:35:34 PM

      OMG! If "V in NYC" can PAY CASH for a Manhattan apartment then what does she do to overextend herself...take out a line of credit and buy the whole damn island? These ignorant elitist "I got mine MuthaFu@#%!" creeps should really just finish their comments with "Let them eat cake!" Maybe she can help the economy by hiring some poor *** that was laid-off because her husband or her outsourced his job. He can wash her feet in Evian three times a day and sell the used bathing water to save some cash for a sniper rifle!

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  • Posted By: T in ID @ 05/22/2009 4:24:45 PM

    OMG! If "V in NYC" can PAY CASH for a Manhattan apartment then what does she do to overextend herself...take out a line of credit and buy the whole damn island? These ignorant elitist "I got mine MuthaFu@#%!" creeps should really just finish their comments with "Let them eat cake!" Maybe she can help the economy by hiring some poor *** that was laid-off because her husband or her outsourced his job. He can wash her feet in Evian three times a day and sell the used bathing water to save some cash for a sniper rifle!

  • Posted By: FedUpwithItAll1974 @ 05/22/2009 12:12:53 PM

    Take the billions of dollars we gave these scumbag bankers and make up jobs that pay $15 an hour and make the tax system fair. These jobs can be cleaning up the cities, or auditing the governments and corporations, or daycare or anything else that does not require special skills.
    Do not tax the first 30k a person makes. Then tax anything over at a flat rate. If you make 32k you pay taxes on 2k, if you make 300k then you pay taxes on 270k.
    If every person was able to afford house, food, transportation and a little fun there would be way less crime. Take all the killers and rapist and chop their heads off and incinerate them. The world would be a much better place.
    If you create 1 million jobs at $15 an hour that is 31.2 billion a year, chump change compared to what these banks who could not fail got. The govt could create 10 million jobs for far less than the bailout funds and we could cleanup our countries trash and graffiti. We also need to control population to some extent, not immigration but population. I think anyone who is willing to work and not commit crimes should be welcome here.
    We also need to crack down on the financial crimes and put some of those guys in the pen.
    Think about earth year 2020 and what it would be like if these changes were made. People would not kill or rape as much because you get your head cut off and die as opposed to the slap on the wrist of jail and or a little jail and probation. For all the human rights activist all I can say is for every scumbag you want to cry for why don???t we duplicate his crime on your child or family and then see how you feel about it? I understand everyone probably has someone who loves them but earth does not need them.

    • Posted By: earthorbitsthesun @ 05/22/2009 4:05:01 PM

      Yea Boy, I like it! You exceeded me, and I can be twisted, haha!

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