as for barack hilary they will get an enema from nijad now he is back -and he is more democratic then all your 44 presidents put together -
go eat your hearts out
but dont eat the daisies
as you yanks destroy everything of beauty on this planet
As Zardari's offensive against the Taliban uproots more than a million Pakistanis, a seething mistrust of the United States only grows.
as for barack hilary they will get an enema from nijad now he is back -and he is more democratic then all your 44 presidents put together -
go eat your hearts out
but dont eat the daisies
as you yanks destroy everything of beauty on this planet
i could not give a damn what americans think just pack your second rate steroid nourised drug riddled selves and go sink in arabian sea but leave pakistan alone
YOU ARE NOT WANTED NEITHER WELCOME AND THAT GOES DOR OBAMA TOO
ALL YOU ARE IS A DECEITFUL VIOLENT NON CULTURE WHO ARE RIDICULED OPENLY FROM FRANCE TO THAILAND -
leave pak alone
we dont want nothing from you
all you bring is pestilence -poverty and your pathetic selves with you -
I could care less how they feel. They've supported an obscene political movement with a platform that calls for the murder of little girls who want to go to school and now it's come back to haunt them.
Bad behavior breeds bad consequences. If they learn this lesson then it will all have been worth it. if not, they have no future at all because their neighbors will ultimately get together and snuff them out.
Instead of blaming the US for its troubles and continually looking to the US for money, Pak should fix its own problems. Fellow-Sunni countries like Saudis should help.
US economy is in dire straits and does not need additional "blackholes" of revenue wastage like Pak. Neutralize its nukes, use drones to get rid of the leaders of Taliban and Qaeda and get out of Pak. It is not our responsibility to continually keep Pak clothed, fed and weaponized. For a so-called "soverign" nation, Pak depends too much on US money.
How can you say Pakistan is sovereign country???
It is often repeated sententence by Pakistani, from Prime ministers to media to Pakistani bloggers.
Let us dissect meaning of Sovereign
One of the main criteria of sovereign state is to exercise de facto control over its territory.
Which Pakistan don???t have, Control over its all territory, NWFP, Waziristan, FATA, Baluchistan.
Together this province counts more then 60% of Pakistan territory.
An important attribute of sovereignty is its degree of absoluteness. A sovereign power has absolute sovereignty if it has the unlimited right to control everything and every kind of activity in its territory.
As mention before Pakistan has no control over this tribe area since its inception, Mention area above don???t believe in the law of Land, they have their own laws. So question arise where is the writ of the state?
So do you still call it Sovereign state??? I don???t think so
"Sovereignty." A government which exercises de facto administrative control over a country and is not subordinate to any other government in that country is a foreign sovereign state.
Army of Pakistan is de facto state within state ,Let us assume if tomorrow PM Gillani issue an order to remove general Kiyani ,Who do you think will be in power by next hour ? Of course Kiyani.
Does it say Absolute Power of Sovereign Government of Sovereign state ?
So of course pak is not a sovereign state. Not even a state. It is just surviving on hate ideology.
Drone attack by US,
Since 1947 Pakistan lives on charity from USA and Saudi,
they don???t have any economy .most of the business is control by Army,
Well we can go on and on .Let PM Gillani explains to media what he means is by SOVEREIGN state.
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America's choosing which countries have the "right place" in the world is what has caused so much resentment. India was once on that list countries that, in U.S. eyes, did not deserve the "right place."
You cannot expect countries in the 21st Century to tolerate slave-like colonial treatment-especially countries who, by international standards, are 5th or 6th in size in the world like Pakistan.
And making exceptions for countries who haven't even signed the NPT because it serves the strategic goals of the U.S. is the epitome of hypocrisy and discrimination. And it breaks the very goals of the NPT.
Hubris and arrogance live.
Every time an American president has visited the Subcontinent in the past few years, they stayed five days in India and five hours (or something close to that) in Pakistan. And on the last visit, president Bush made very clear that the Nuclear Agreement he had just reached with India would never be made with Pakistan. Now with friends like that, who needs enemies? We should not have even contemplated a nuclear agreement with either India or Pakistan if we were not prepared to treat them EQUALLY. EQUALITY and RESPECT are the keys for winning hearts and minds. It's not money.
Pakistan is our formal ally and to do what we did was the same as pushing their faces in the mud. By 2006, Pakistan lost 1,200 soldiers in fighting al Qaeda and Taliban near the Afghan border and what they got was the Indian nuclear agreement as a reward. It has made the balance of power even more unequal than it was before-to Pakistan's detriment.
And we wonder why there is so much anger there?
Pakistan is not India's equal. The current US State department's strategic view is of India balancing China. To think of a little country like Pak, with all its Taleban and Al Qaeda, as a balance to India is illogical. There is a reason why that old South Asia balance theory failed and will never be used again. Maybe Pak can be a balance against Afghanistan now.
As for Pak losing 1,200 soldiers in the fight against terrorists, guessl who created these terrorists? It is the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service. You raised the snakes and now you complain when they come back to bite you. You need to take care of your own problems instead of asking us money to fix your problems.
Using the balance theory to beg us for money and weapons will no longer work. The nuclear agreement with India recognizes India's right place as the world's largest democracy and an emerging economic power. A terrorist-infested extremist country like Pak has a long way to go before it can claim equality with India or China or the US. Go away and fix your own problems. Ask the Saudis, you Sunni best friends, for the money. We have no more money to give. We are not going to go bankrupt playing your games with terrorists.
i think the prsent admin of pakistan is shameless but the indian one is even worst -850 million starving poverty after 60 yrs of freedom -what a horrid example of incompetent democracy have indiand created with slums and self ruling maoist terrorist states like behar and jharkand -
and sri lanka is a nightmare -pak seems to be bad but them 2 are worst -
THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF SUICIDE BOMBINGS TAKE PLACE IN TAMIL NADU AND SRI LANKA -REMEMBER RAJEEV GANDHI WHO GOT BLOWN UP LEAVING SONIA IN CHARGE -
WHAT A CHARADE AT DEMOCRATIC LIPSYNC
For those morons here who like to pretend Pak is a wonderful supporter of the US, consider the fact that Pakistan created the Taleban and Pakis actively support (to this day) the Al Qaeda. Any money and weapons given to Pak ultimately filter down to the Taleban and nuclear weapons.
Here's the standard Pak plan and we should wise up to it by now: 1) Fund and train the Taleban and ask the US for money to fight them. 2) If the US doesn't cough up the money right away, catch a Taleban/Qaeda person and claim that he is no. 2 in Al Qaeda (they have an infinte number of no. 2's apparently), 3) if this still doesn't work, attack some tribals preferably in unfriendly areas and claim that 1000 Taleban have been killed, and 4) if this still doesn't work, go back to 1).
Do you think we are fools to keep giving you money? We have our own problems now. Go away. At least learn to work in some call centers like honest Indians rather than try to make money through begging and blackmailing. You should be ashamed to be perpetual beggars. You cannot maintain a country solely on money from US and Europe. You need to learn to work for yourselves. Get out of the madrassas and build some factories for God's sake, like the Chinese.
Shame on you, Pak women! If you want to be proud and considered equal to India. quit begging US for money. The fact is your country has lived on US foreign aid for decades. You export terrorism to UK, US and India and nuclear technology to North Korea. What right do you have to demand equality with peace-loving nations?
Quit complaining about Kashmir. As long as you have money to build nuclear weapons, you have no right to beg for money for your schools and to feed your people. Spend that money on people first and weapons second. No non-muslim country cares to invade you and so a deterrant is not needed.. You are the armpit of the world (and that's putting it nicely).
Fix your own problems and leave us alone. Don't come preaching to us about how we should treat you while at the same time begging for our money.
How can you say Pakistan is sovereign country???
It is often repeated sententence by Pakistani, from Prime ministers to media to Pakistani bloggers.
Let us dissect meaning of Sovereign
One of the main criteria of sovereign state is to exercise de facto control over its territory.
Which Pakistan don???t have, Control over its all territory, NWFP, Waziristan, FATA, Baluchistan.
Together this province counts more then 60% of Pakistan territory.
An important attribute of sovereignty is its degree of absoluteness. A sovereign power has absolute sovereignty if it has the unlimited right to control everything and every kind of activity in its territory.
As mention before Pakistan has no control over this tribe area since its inception, Mention area above don???t believe in the law of Land, they have their own laws. So question arise where is the writ of the state?
So do you still call it Sovereign state??? I don???t think so
"Sovereignty." A government which exercises de facto administrative control over a country and is not subordinate to any other government in that country is a foreign sovereign state.
Same argument , Does Pakistan government ( I can say De facto ARMY) has any administrative control over NWFP ,FATA ,Waziristan ,Baluchistan?? Again I don???t think so
Drone attack by US,
Since 1947 Pakistan lives on charity from USA and Saudi,
they don???t have any economy .most of the business is control by Army,
Well we can go on and on .Let PM Gillani explains to media what he means is by SOVEREIGN state.
FULL STOP
Yep, the Paki women are proud liberals all right.
Wanting the U.S. to do everything for them, e..g provide aid money, military assistance and respect, because they are "proud" and "independent", but taking no responsibility or accountability for their actions, e.g. creating and allowing terrorist camps that raid and kill a neighboring country and its citizens, Afghanistan.
Having served two tours of duty during the 60's most of it in Asia I saw first hand the actions of what was then know as ugly Americans.
The problem is there are far too many people who do not see other nations and their people as human. Very evident in many of the posts in this forum.
That people in the world have an opinion of Americans that when expressed we find shocking should come as no surprize.
Since there are few Americans in Pakistan much of what they see is what is actually presented in the media.
One prime example is that Dick Head I mean Dick Cheney who is running around extolling the virtues and even the necessity of resorting to 19th century techniques for eliciting false confessions as a part of our culture.
There is a moral and intellectual bankruptcy that exists and has always existed.
One would think that in a country made up of so many ethnic and religious groups it would be minimal but the fact is we have enacted and have to enforce "hate crime" laws to control it as best we can even here in this country.
Regarding Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and the current expanision of that country's program, yes, they have a right (loet's say that here and forget about Iran and North Korea, okay?) -- but any right it has is not with *our* dollars that we have given for a specific purpose. Her stand does overlook/ignore the concern we (and others) have at the mere thought of the Taleban getting their evil hands on any nuclear material or weapon -- even if it proved unusable for them.
Let us put Full stop in front of Pakistan???.
Leave its army, ISI, Political systems aside. Any country in this universe can not survive without self respect right of its population.Pakistani Population is nothing but bunch of EUNUCH. Since Independence in 1947, Pakistan was mostly ruled by THUGS of army Generals. Never ever in history of Pakistan, Pakistani people revolt against it dictators. When you have such shameless population, you don???t expect miracle from this country.
This is same population, was part of Indian sub continent, over thrown once Mighty British Empire. What happened to them in last 60 yrs??? Topic to research for doctorate student.
You take same example of across the border; India was never ruled by dictators in spite of all the diversity, once all popular Prime minsters India Gandhi was over thrown by outraged masses in protest of Emergency.
This is all the difference right now.
Do not blame Paki army, ISI, Politician
Blame it on Pakistani population, Yes They made EUNUCH by army and politician.
If you want to see changes in Pakistan, you have to wake up Population of Pakistan from deep sleep.
I'd sooner trust a famished fox to guard a henhouse than I would an Indian author's opinions of Pakistan.
American foreign policy is not a tool to be used by India against Pakistan. Where was India throughout the entire cold war? On the side of the Soviet Union. Ordinary citizen's memories might be short, by the State Dept's are not.
The Indians need to be bitch-slapped and told to stop funding all this terrorism in PK. They stage their own attacks inside their country, and then fund the MQM, PK Taliban, and Afghani Talibank. They fund all nationalist movements in PK including the Balochi resistance. Why are there so many Indians in Afghanistan? India is the biggest threat to the US and Americans just don't want to admit it. PK has always been a friend to the US. You cannot say the same about the untrustworthy Hindustanis. They plotted with the Soviets to stop PK and US's support to Afghanistan during the '80s. Indians failed miserably. Now they claim to be best friends with the US while taking away jobs every day from them and export their smelly people to the US by the plane loads.
Tell the Indians to go back to their call centers, slums ,and thick accents and stop messing with PK and the US.
THE DOUBLE GAME THESE PAKISTANIS PLAY HAS BEEN EVENLY EXPOSED IN THE NEW BOOK OF FICTION TITLED "ASSASSINATION OF GEORGE BUSH" BY AN INDIAN AUTHOR VARON B K SHARMA. THIS BOOK RIGHTLY SAYS THAT TERRORISM IS PAKISTAN'S ONLY USP.
WHere is the will in pakistani army to fight Taliban ,They have lay down their arms right before war.What Pakistani army is doing right now is nothing but SHOW off to get more MILK form AMERICAN COW.(When it comes to Pakistan ,American Foreign Policy is DUMBEST ever , from Kissinger to condi) Read below artical excerpt from Dawn News.
total of 600 policemen were selected from the whole province for the 24th batch of the elite commando training programme but so far only 350 have reported to the centre, said an official on condition of anonymity
Hundreds of policemen who were selected for commando training have managed to ???escape??? from the elite training programme, mainly by using the influence of senior police officers, bureaucrats and members of the political government, Dawn has learnt.
Reliable sources confirm that this is the case, saying it illustrates a low level of discipline and professionalism at a time when the country is facing serious security threats
Let Us see why Paki army refusing to fight ?
Pakistan army is refusing
to fight the Taliban because it fears that this is a war it cannot win.
it is the army, with its 1.2 million soldiers and reservists that has refused to commit a single brigade to Swat and allowed it to be overrun by less than 2,500 murderous fanatics, and has preferred to negotiate instead of fight with a mere 500 of them when they crossed over into Buner.
The bitter truth is that the Pakistan army is refusing to fight the Taliban not simply because a quarter of its men and several of its corps commanders are Pushtoons, but because it fears that this is a war it cannot win.
When a state and its military forces mentally reconcile themselves to defeat, one can only mourn the event. There is nothing left to say.???
???Paki army are trying to put a gloss on it and are putting forward all sorts of justifications ???
that there was no way out and that signing the Nizam ??? e ??? Adul regulation will bring lasting peace to Swat and its environs ???They have acquiesced in a great act of surrender???.
???Munich is written all over it???.
???Before India their Eastern Command laid down its arms in 1971, not its spirit or soul. Before the Taliban in Swat they have ceded a part of out national soul.???
Pakistan Army???s abject surrender of Swat sequentially crowns a long list of surrenders to the Taliban of Pakistan???s state-control of frontier regions along the Afghan border beginning with the infamous Waziristan Accords. In Swat, the Pakistan Army has surrendered to the Taliban in the hinterland too.
doberman, you have aptly named yourself and guydreaux, in your frickin' dreams!!! If the US has lost in both Iraq and Afghanistan, what makes you think we have a snowball's chance in hell in Pakistan?! NATO Generals are on public record for saying the Afghan war is unwinnable and Iraq has as much violence today as it did prior to the surge. Mark my words, the day the US leaves Iraq it will fall to a mix of Iranian influence and anti-US Iraqi parties.
The reason why the US is engaged with Pakistan is because there is no other option. Hillary Clinton has publicly stated on two separate occasions, that the US made huge mistakes in the past when it ignored Pakistan and walked out on them post-Soviet departure. This is a time to think about our mistakes and make ammends, not bark rhetoric and talk about destroying nukes when we don't even know how many there are or where those nukes are located.
Please realize that the Pakistani military has developed the capability to deliver nukes not just in all corners of India, but all the way into Israel. You think they won't take out all the US bases in the region, pretty much all of India and Israel as well when the US goes in guns blazing? That would be WW III and any idiot idiotic enough to recommend it is definitely inhaling banned substances.
Eleanor .,you better get a memo of to your leader get his head straite and so forth.
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